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[07:38] cc-daveloper greetings, anyone tried Beta 2 yet?
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[17:42] cc-daveloper anyone try Beta 2 yet?
[18:51] MarcelvanLeeuwen Hi!
[18:51] MarcelvanLeeuwen man it's terrible weather overhere
[18:51] MarcelvanLeeuwen lots of rain...
[18:53] MarcelvanLeeuwen Hi cc-daveloper
[18:54] MarcelvanLeeuwen Lacrocivious: your arround?
[18:54] cc-daveloper howdy
[18:54] MarcelvanLeeuwen how are you doing?
[18:54] MarcelvanLeeuwen well i hope
[18:54] cc-daveloper good…it's getting cold here.
[18:55] MarcelvanLeeuwen hmm, winter is coming i suposse
[18:55] cc-daveloper indeed
[18:56] cc-daveloper it gets very hot here and very cold…that is the desert for you.
[18:56] MarcelvanLeeuwen brrr
[18:56] MarcelvanLeeuwen i hate the winter
[18:56] cc-daveloper how much does it snow there?
[18:57] MarcelvanLeeuwen when it snows only 10 to 20 cm
[18:57] MarcelvanLeeuwen and that is very rare
[18:57] cc-daveloper We sometimes get that here as well
[18:58] cc-daveloper very much so in the mountains…so much snow in the mountains.
[18:58] cc-daveloper Great for skiing
[18:58] MarcelvanLeeuwen we had some snow last years
[18:58] MarcelvanLeeuwen yeah
[18:59] MarcelvanLeeuwen i skied only once in my life
[18:59] MarcelvanLeeuwen lol
[18:59] MarcelvanLeeuwen i had a crash man
[18:59] MarcelvanLeeuwen but broke nothing
[19:01] MarcelvanLeeuwen Lacrocivious and Marclaporte are the guys who want to bring the Clearfoundation IRC channel to a next level
[19:01] MarcelvanLeeuwen if i'm correct Lacrocivious has some experience with IRC channels
[19:02] MarcelvanLeeuwen so hw was searching for the channel operator
[19:03] MarcelvanLeeuwen i'm not sure when he is around
[19:04] Lacrocivious Here I be! ;-)
[19:04] Lacrocivious Heya cc-daveloper
[19:04] MarcelvanLeeuwen Hi!
[19:04] Lacrocivious Heya MarcelvanLeeuwen
[19:04] MarcelvanLeeuwen right on time :)
[19:05] Lacrocivious cc-daveloper: I was hoping you or someone had the primary contact information from freenode, from when the channel was created
[19:05] Lacrocivious Reason is that, among other things, it is very bad juju to have an opless channel, vulnerable to spambots and worse
[19:05] Lacrocivious This link http://www.clearfoundation.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,232/catid,31/func,view/id,5565/limit,10/limitstart,10/#20263
[19:06] Lacrocivious ... shows a plethora of channels -- too many in my opinion, as IRC doesn't quite operate like forums do
[19:06] Lacrocivious Typically, one per project is enough
[19:08] MarcelvanLeeuwen pff, there are a few...
[19:09] MarcelvanLeeuwen forgot about it
[19:10] Lacrocivious Anyway, I came here one day and was the only one here, so I lurked for a week or two and marclaporte showed up...
[19:11] MarcelvanLeeuwen lol
[19:12] MarcelvanLeeuwen yeah he was here before
[19:12] Lacrocivious ... then MarcelvanLeeuwen, etc, and I thought it might be a good idea to have *one* freenode channel for the project, where users might get the occasional question answered. I realize that, since Pointe Clark days, the project has been forum-oriented
[19:13] Lacrocivious But I figure also that there are likely a fair number of IRC-comfortable propellerheads who are also likely the people using ClearOS
[19:14] MarcelvanLeeuwen some years ago. If i remember correctly i have spoken with him before
[19:14] MarcelvanLeeuwen what on earth is propellerheads?
[19:15] Lacrocivious Oh, sorry
[19:15] MarcelvanLeeuwen lol
[19:15] MarcelvanLeeuwen it sounds funny
[19:16] Lacrocivious In some old cartoons, the undersized, bookish kid would sometimes wear a beanie cap with a little propeller on top
[19:16] MarcelvanLeeuwen ah
[19:16] Lacrocivious Sort of a pre-computer representation of what became the hacker/nerd/geek persona
[19:16] Lacrocivious Self-deprecating humor
[19:16] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay understood
[19:20] MarcelvanLeeuwen i read that you use Clarkconnect/ClearOS for a long time
[19:20] Lacrocivious Since Office 3.0, yes
[19:20] Lacrocivious Maybe, 2003? 2004?
[19:20] MarcelvanLeeuwen not sure when i'm start using it
[19:21] MarcelvanLeeuwen almost 10 years!
[19:21] MarcelvanLeeuwen i used clarkconnect for awhile
[19:22] MarcelvanLeeuwen I posted on the old forums
[19:22] Lacrocivious I've installed the paid version(s) in a fair number of local (very) small businesses, rescuing their behind-the-gateway Winboxen from the perils and diseases of the Intertubes ;-)
[19:22] Lacrocivious Yeah, I wonder whether Buddha and DWelch are still active?
[19:22] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[19:22] Lacrocivious They taught me a lot
[19:22] MarcelvanLeeuwen that are old users?
[19:23] MarcelvanLeeuwen can't remember those names
[19:23] Lacrocivious Huge presences on the old forums, helping folks
[19:23] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[19:24] MarcelvanLeeuwen tim and that guy from australia helped me a lot
[19:25] Lacrocivious Early on, it was Peter who gave me the firewall rule to let me isolate subnets; I've never forgotten how huge that help was at the time
[19:26] MarcelvanLeeuwen my experience is that the guys from Clearcenter and Clearfoundation are okay
[19:26] MarcelvanLeeuwen if they can help they do
[19:27] cc-daveloper Well, whichever one we can get control (ops). I don't care what the name is so long as we can get control.
[19:27] Lacrocivious cc-daveloper: Seems to me that #clearfoundation might have the most comprehensive 'umbrella'
[19:28] Lacrocivious cc-daveloper: I've dealt with the #freenode (channel, not network) personnel before to resurrect channels, but I wanted to have as much information as possible before approaching them about this one
[19:28] Lacrocivious Or better yet, to have whomever was the primary contact in the first place approach them
[19:29] Lacrocivious cc-daveloper: As you probably know, freenode's parent company shut down, so they have discontinued official registrations in favor of some might-never-happen rewrite of the tools
[19:30] Lacrocivious But I believe they would be amenable to assigning someone chanop at least, provided we can prove we aren't some bozos with no connection to CF
[19:31] cc-daveloper I have no problem with any long-standing community member being the channel op and giving the full recognition of the foundation to that person as the official channel op.
[19:31] cc-daveloper Marcel, you up to the task?
[19:45] Lacrocivious MarcelvanLeeuwen: ^
[19:51] MarcelvanLeeuwen sorry was away from the keyboard
[19:51] MarcelvanLeeuwen i had a phone call
[19:52] MarcelvanLeeuwen I have no problem with any long-standing community member being the channel op and giving the full recognition of the foundation to that person as the official channel op.
[19:53] MarcelvanLeeuwen you mean if i want to be the channel op
[19:55] Lacrocivious MarcelvanLeeuwen: I believe that is exactly what he means, yes
[19:56] MarcelvanLeeuwen hmmm, i'am honored :)
[19:57] Lacrocivious It mostly only requires being logged in as close to 24/7/365 as you can
[19:57] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[19:58] MarcelvanLeeuwen i think that is no problem
[19:59] MarcelvanLeeuwen i think i have to read some stuff about irc channels
[20:00] MarcelvanLeeuwen i'm not the most experienced guy arround
[20:00] MarcelvanLeeuwen but i like to learn new stuff
[20:01] MarcelvanLeeuwen esspecially if it has to with computer stuff
[20:01] Lacrocivious One starting point: http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=0bd1825cb75b4159c9d0c738edfcbe79
[20:03] MarcelvanLeeuwen checking
[20:06] Lacrocivious There are also IRC services, for which you will want/need to at least have a reference on hand. I don't know which services freenode uses, and the one I am about to show you is no longer maintained, but the commands are the same for any of them: http://achurch.org/services/
[20:06] Lacrocivious You'll want the 'Documentation' link on that page
[20:08] MarcelvanLeeuwen runs freenode.net on this software?
[20:08] Lacrocivious I don't know -- or rather, remember -- which services they run. But as I said, the commands are the same for all of them, so one reference is as good as another
[20:09] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[20:09] Lacrocivious Anope is another
[20:12] Lacrocivious http://www.anope.org/
[20:14] MarcelvanLeeuwen yes, thanks
[20:14] Lacrocivious When I next upgrade my own irc network, I will almost certainly use anope services for it
[20:16] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[20:22] MarcelvanLeeuwen The channel #clearfoundation is created om sun feb 20 2011
[20:24] MarcelvanLeeuwen there is also a Clearcenter channel created on thu aug 12 2010
[20:24] MarcelvanLeeuwen there is no clearos channel
[20:24] MarcelvanLeeuwen no clear-OT
[20:25] Lacrocivious I would only suggest that a single channel be activated, at least for now. It gives those who are searching, a single destination on IRC for the project
[20:25] MarcelvanLeeuwen yes i agree
[20:26] Lacrocivious If my experience with other channels which have fallen into disuse and are being 'resurrected', it will take some time (months) for it to become more active in a real sense, and for a time most of the conversation will simply be to refer people to the forums, where there are more likely people who can answer the user's questions
[20:27] Lacrocivious Unless, that is, someone quite knowledgeable about the project happens along and decides to stay and help
[20:27] Lacrocivious *In my
[20:28] MarcelvanLeeuwen yeah i think your right
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[21:39] cc-daveloper We can post things on the ClearFoundation forum to make the change to whatever. If the ClearOS channel is available, I'd suggest you set up camp there and we can redirect everyone to that.
[21:39] cc-daveloper I also know that you can use the command line irc client within ClearOS to camp the channel
[21:40] cc-daveloper so long as you can get it tied to your login id and have your nickname registered, I think that is about it.
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[21:49] cc-daveloper There you go, have one id to camp the forum and another for your workstation.
[22:01] MarcelvanLeeuwen guys i'm off to bed
[22:02] MarcelvanLeeuwen i have a early morning as usual
[22:04] MarcelvanLeeuwen cc-daveloper: of becoming channel operator is okay by me
[22:04] cc-daveloper we'd love for you to be that guy.
[22:04] cc-daveloper ;)
[22:04] MarcelvanLeeuwen :)
[22:06] MarcelvanLeeuwen nice talking and I'll be here again tomorrow
[22:06] MarcelvanLeeuwen bye!
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[22:48] Lacrocivious Thanks cc-daveloper ;-)
[22:50] Lacrocivious I see that #clearos is open and has ChanServ up, which is great!
[22:50] Lacrocivious So the idea is, everyone who is here, should go there?
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