Hmm, was I supposed to add the TikiTest topbars to new themes in trunk, not in 2.0?
(Now reading dev.tw.o Where to commit ...
polom
hey
yo
polomheyyo
Can someone duplicate: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1872
chibaguy: yep, if it fixes something, then 2.0, otherwise trunk
ok.
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit
Can the number of themes be reduced in 2.0, or is that for trunk?
Or themes added?
mostly 3.0
we don't have an alternative to propose at this time, so we need to leave what we have
however, April release should be better off
anyone using the intertiki feature?
chibaguy: if we fix at least 5 lite based to support most of the tiki i guess we can add and remove
I hope so. I can't imagine waiting until April 2009 to make major changes in the themes.
zorp-afk, the Tikiwiki sites use intertiki, like themes.tw.o and doc.tw.o, etc.
chibaguy: we have to get in sync and work on the fixes together... i'll try to be up at nights this week to catch you here
I just cant get mine to work, so wonering if anyone has any pointers (beyond the helpfile on tw.o) to guide me along the way
zorp, did you see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/intertiki ?
yup :) input those settings
and btw, for 1.9.11 there is not intertiki setting in admin-features
tiki-admin.php?page=intertiki
About the themes, I accept that I should be faster about offering original killer themes, but I sure don't want to spend another year trying to keep my theme files synched with the defaults.
chiba - thanx but through that you access the settings, but the features remain turned off until you change the login mode to Intertiki
anyhoop, I am now trying to get two 1.1b versions to communicate with eachother
w/o success
chibaguy: iirc we agreeded to make lite based the default templates
That's right. Should that be done for 2.0 already?
chibaguy, you can make the changes right now in trunk
I mean trunk, sorry.
yep, otherwise we end in hell ;)
(I need version diagrams with simple pictures and large letters, it seems. ;-) )
thing is, if the theme is not in trunk, we can't dogfood and it won't be stable
catch-22?
nope, add it in trunk as soon as possible
i propose to make them in trunk and when we're fast and good enough backport them to 2.0
chibaguy: now is the time to make the changes to the tpls (in trunk) and it will become TikiWiki 3.0Beta, and we can start dogfooding
backport to 2.0 is not an option
we need to solve that header.tpl thing
lphuberdeau: why ?
It should almost never be duplicated
2.0 is a stable branch, in a perfect world, we never even have to release a minor version
themes are a special case, where we are lucky that people can download and install seperately
revamping the look and feel of tiki is one of the major objectives of version 3
lphuberdeau: then tikineat.css remains the default in 2.0
too late to make changes, otherwise we will never release
and marc is right, installing an additional theme is not too hard
now, in trunk is the time to break all the themes and make them right, as they should have always been
and most themes should not have any forked .tpls
just one css and maybe some images
unfortunately, one or a few tpls are needed to get variety in themes.
One tiki.tpl could work, but it would have to use one or more tables for layout.
Modern "table-less" layouts don't have much flexibility for wide content, graphic borders on the site, etc.
Anyway, I've got to go now. I hope [LOGGER] is logging this.
Where'd that come from?
c ya gary later tonight (for me)
OK, I'll try to come back in a few hours.
chibaguy: : see you later. We need to discuss this more and hash out a plan. 
Yep, thanks for the info also lphuberdeau. 
UI & themes is now the #1 priority.   Feature-wise, TikiWiki is already 9.5/10
Hi all :)
hi
polom
yep, yep, LOGGER works pretty nicely actually: http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-14,Mon&sel=74#l70
I'm thinking of just hacking the current web-interface to remove the stupid stuff... (like everyone can lock others out and so on) and keep using it.. all the other solutions have other problems...
... but lets see!
and a +1 on the planned way of handling of theme-cleanup in the future 2.0/3.0 versions
Item link: Tracker-where-you-wish-to-link-from,Tracker-field-id-witch-you-want-to-list correct ?
ok found it: in an old item it cannot be changed ...
guess I'll need to update ...
Because Calendar URLs can't be used in Wiki, any suggestions for a mod_rewrite rule to support any number of  cal([0-9]+) to calIds[]=%1 for merging multiple calendars?
seems there is a bug in the latest 2.0, regarding displaying of a newly edited wiki page. I can list the page fine, but when I try to access it, it seems to try to access it without adding "tiki-index.php?page=<pagename>" Seems to me that mod_rewrite is enabled by default? Can't seem to find a way to disable it.   Anybody else experiencing this?
...and when I instert "tiki-index.php?page=<pagename>" the page displays fine
i have href=javascript:function() for HTML Pages but when the page renders the link turns to href=inhibited_js:function(). This is true also for onClick onMousedown etc. Any thoughts?
I'd like to turn on that feature.  So we both need to know what controls the creation of Search-Engine-Friendly URLs so we can both check how ours are set.
..except he's having SEF trouble on 2.0 while I'm trying to start with the more stable 1.9.
RobFerguson: direct javascript is stripped form wiki page for security reason
il you want to use some javascript - use the plugin JS
ah
where is that stripping happening tho?
is it part of smarty?
in tiki-setup.php or tiki-setup_base.php...
yeah i was trying to find it
Hansi_M do you have a .htacess with the rewrite rules
I have the standard _htaccess. It should be in the tiki root dir if that was the problem, right?
but no .htaccess in tikiroot
yeh but named .htaccess not _htaccess
so cp _htaccess .htaccess
but then it also has to be enabled in apache, right?
sylvie, do you have some time to help me with intertiki?
.htaccess will be handle by apache - yes - so mod-rewrite must be install ...
I would like not to use rewriting at all ... which has not been a problem with 1.9.x ... will that change for 2.0?
if tw.org/your_age is not working and if you have copied the .htaccess - perhaps it means that the apache is not well set
ok - so unckeck sefurl in admin->feature
ah
zorp : It is hard to explain more that the doc...
sylvie, ok - so any suggestions where/to whom I should turn?
... and so it works ... Thanks a million sylvie1!
btw, is SEO another name for rewriting?
sylvie, you think the settings could be messing because I'm running two seperate TWs on seperate sub-domains but the same IP?
or, sefurl = rewriting rather ...
zorp: I have a intertiki site where some of the ip, are the same
did you activated the log access and error on the main?
you mean the field where I indicate where the logs are?  Yes I did, but the logs weren't created.  So I created empty files there myself but they still contain no information
are they apache writeable?
dunno... how can I check?
did you chmod a+w these files
will do right now
I did
since last we spoke I've updated one of the systems to v.2RC1
and now I get a invalid server key error (101) but the keys are set to the same on the server and client machine
and still nothing in the log?
nope
and you have no safe-dir?
safe dir?
it is not normal you have nothing in the log/access intertiki files
that was my firs relection as well
so 1) you missed up with the key 2) the files can not written because in a baddirectory or with bad perms
try to put the intertiki logs in templates_c or temp/cache to see if it change something
gimme a sec
when I assign the location of the access&error files in the intertiki admin
do I assign it as subdomain/folder/access.log
or /folder/access.log
?
ion the server makes sense
on the main sur domain
sylvie, still no go
log files still contain nothing
changed the key to nothing - still get invalid server key
you know how on the client I have to change the Login setting to Web Server - on the server should the Login be Just Tiki?
on my intertiki the Authentication method of a client is Just tiki
and the same for the main 
hm...
lemme try
:'(
If you do not care about the fact I see your key send me 2 pictures of the intertiki screens one og the main - one of one client
zorp did you see in the IM
?
your server setting is all wrong
http://www.ourrights.eu/client3.JPG
http://www.ourrights.eu/server3.JPG
my bad
hi i am having a glitch on two of my tikis on my server can anyone help?
I get the following errors
Warning: php_uname() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/sgksnzhq/public_html/wikiwords/lib/pear/Date/TimeZone.php on line 3655
Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at /home/sgksnzhq/public_html/wikiwords/lib/pear/Date/TimeZone.php:3655) in /home/sgksnzhq/public_html/wikiwords/tiki-setup_base.php on line 278
Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at /home/sgksnzhq/public_html/wikiwords/lib/pear/Date/TimeZone.php:3655) in /home/sgksnzhq/public_html/wikiwords/tiki-setup_base.php on line 278
anybody????
anybody that can help? anyone at all?
keep cool, man...
ok
got any ideas?
"php_uname() has been disabled for security reasons..." sounds to me like your PHP-installation doesn't allow to use that function, but dunno...!?
any solution?
enable it on your server
i have a cpanel hosted server do you know how i would do that?
call your hoster
hmmm.... i guess im going to have to! thanks
np - good luck !!
rodrigo_sampaio: check for the poly where to commit - lph is very picky about the commit - should be only major bug fixed in 2.0
and lph is imho very right about that - we have a release schedule now that doesn't allow for mockups and on the other hand allows for getting even new features out quickly (max. 6 months)
rodrigo_sampaio: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit
i thought that it was ok to commit translation and minor user improvements on 2.0, sorry :(
translation is ok - minor improvements not
once the first RC is out, it's a freeze...
amette: even minor improvements to the interface? do you think it is better if i rollback the commits and put then in trunk?
... if the minor improvement really looks like not breaking stuff, it can be negotiated on the mailing list/with the release manager
lph is the release manager?
rodrigo_sampaio: even interface improvements can break stuff, didn't look at your commit, but I think that trunk is better, yes
amette: i will be more carefully with my next commits
nkoth is the release manager, but as everybody has very little time right now, lph is more or less the technical supervisor for that
and mail the release manager about the ones i already did. they change realy minor stuff
nkoth is the rm iirc
rodrigo_sampaio: no problem, we all have to learn to those new habits first
but it is right that if we are more rigourous - we will release more often
+1 :)
rodrigo_sampaio: if you really, really, _really_ want to get it into 2.0, then you should mail devel-list first to keep overhead on the release manager low and so everybody can contribute to it and learn from the decisions
amette: irc logger is really cool :)
luciash: I'm happy to hear that :)
will you take over irc.tw.o ?
luciash: yes, most probably - I won't host it, but I'll do the technical/sysadm-part on it
amette: actually for me there is no big difference if the changes i made enter in 2.0 or in the next release. it is just some minor interface improvements like Permalink instead of Permalink_. i'm late to a meeting, when i get back ill send a mail
anyway thanks sylvie1 and amette for pointing this out :)
good to see the work done to 2.0 release
rodrigo_sampaio: you will see =- but I think lph or nelson will roll back
rodrigo_sampaio: ok, if it makes no difference to you, then do it in trunk to minimize work for release managers and keep risk as low as possible
isn't 13659 is a useless commit as we don't have trackbacks any more... ;)
or were they added again?
but get to your meeting now and send a mail - later
amette: i dont the feature has been remove, but i dont think so. there is still a option about that on admin blogs
hi there... I'm having trouble figuring out why there is no "Browse Server" button in fckeditor in my recent 1.10 beta version when clicking "Insert/Edit Link".. I checked the fckconfig.js and the filemanager connector.  Not sure where else to look.
yes, it was very half-heartedly removed - that whole trackback-removal was one of the dumbest things in a long time imho
amette: this is a commit i think we should keep, without this change the user gets a senseless string about trackbacks even if there is no trackback
rodrigo_sampaio: currently it would make more sense to comment it out completely... but well...
Do you use blogs? I plan to break them soon.... ;P
amette: im developing a project that uses blog
amette: yeah, if there is no more trackbacks it is better to remove
amette: what are you planning to do with blogs? im planning to do some improvements
ok, that's very good to know! we will see where I will do that (trunk or experimental)... but if you are going to depend on it, it's better for you to know beforehand
rodrigo_sampaio: a pretty big overhaul and lph wants to use them for testing tiki object (new implementation=)
amette: maybe i can help you with the changes in the blogs
im planning to do something in the next month
yes, that would be nice - we will see, need to make a plan first... should be in the upcoming month or so for me, too
amette: are you sure the trackbacks have been removed? if so, i'm going to remove the option in blog list (related to the commit 13659) and from the admin blog panel
well, i have to go
bye
Can anyone help point me in the right direction for more debugging info about fckeditor?  I'm not sure why a "Browse Server" button isn't present in the Insert/Edit Link popup..  I'm using a recent 1.10 build.
and tried the latest fckeditor from subversion.
Anybody know about the SUBMIT-plugin? I can't seem to get it to install, not in 1.9.11, 1.10 og 2.0. Any help appreciated :-)
did you try to directly copy it from mode
mods sorry
I have only tried installing it using admin mods
do you mean doing a manual copy?
yes do you have check out mods - otherwise you can find it on sourceforge
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/submit/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_submit.php?view=log
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/submit/img/icons2/
I have the impression thatn one part is missing in the installation directive for this plugin
Maybe I can rephrase my question.  I've used fckeditor with mediawiki and could link to a file in the equivalent of a "file gallery" while inserting links into wiki's using the wysiwyg editor.   I can't find how to do that with the latest tiki build.  Any ideas?
I need an easy way to do this as most of our users don't want to browse the file gallery, copy the link location, and insert it manually.
sylvie1: Gives me this message when I try to install it on 1.9.11: Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 359
Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: No such file or directory in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 68
Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 360
Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 375
Warning: copy(mods/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_submit.php) [function.copy]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 375
Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/tw/lib/mods/modslib.php on line 375
wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_submit.php to impossible to copy
...using "admin mods"
I thoughtthere was an inser file an insert img in fck - at least I saw one insert img some times ago ..but sorry I am not a regular wysiwyg
That's ok.  That's what it looks like to me from the fckeditor website and the code snippets I've looked at so far.  All the configuration seems to indicate that the file browser is already enabled.
In 1.9, what is the meaning of the '&bl' at the end of URLs?  I'm remapping URLs and wondering what to do with that.
Hansi_M- Yes I thik some instruction  are missing - but I am not a mods user too  - it is why I gave you the instruction to do it by yourself - when rick will be around - you can ask him
best_langauge
Thanks.
with bl tikiwiki is able to choice between the set of translatiopns of a page - the best one for you
I'm looking into it now, thanks again!
Ick.  1.9 creates some URLs with href="" and others with href=''.  Some quotes, some hyphens.
s/hyphens/apostrophes/
Code fragment for 1.9 SEF URL Smarty output filter.  Anyone know of obvious problems?  http://sh.nu/p/24660
lphuberdeau: check that, dunno if there's yet a mail on devel-list: http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-14,Mon&sel=245#l241
I found a spot in tiki init to invoke it, and seems to work.  I'll next wade through the .htaccess rules to create companion output URLs.
amette:nice log
lphuberdeau: :)
yeah, I like to link directly to the relevant parts, that's very handy :)
I can't mail dev right now, away from home, my provide does not let me use my smtp
just checked - no mail yet on devel-list, so you can get a first impression from the irc-logs
ugh, I'm really far from release manage, really only that dude who handled collective decisions in the past few days
Heh.  I stumbled across SEF URL vs best language today, and I see a bug report was filed a few days ago.  :-)
yeah, nelson is release manager, but you supported him very well - I think that there was no wrong statement on irc
call me release technician, really, it's nothing more
yup: http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-14,Mon&sel=256#l252 ;)
well, off to sleep
dev.tw.o doesn't seem to recognize my login on tw.o.  And I logged in again on tw.o to make sure I checked "Remember me".
Remember me is not important for that - this works through InterTiki....
... so basically it should work as soon as you are registered on tw.o itself.
I've been on tw.o for longer than I remember when.  Is dev.tw.o sensitive to uppercase in SEWilco name?
No idea..
Well, I seem unable to file a bug report on dev.tw.o about being unable to log on to dev.tw.o  :-)
ROFL :P
I cleared my dev.tw.o cookies (and a de.tw.o too!).  Still not being recognized as SEWilco.  I'll try again in the morn.