#tikiwiki 2008-07-20,Sun

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Who	What	When
mstef	hi marc	[00:06]
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amette	polom marclaporte amette just finished sorting his Strasbourg images...	[00:08]
marclaporte	hehe	[00:09]
amette	http://amette.eu/blogpost294	[00:09]
marclaporte	polom all	[00:09]
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amette	marclaporte: Do you know who handles CIA? I'd really like here to announce commits in here again...	[00:30]
marclaporte	what is problem?	[00:32]
amette	she is autistic since weeks she didn't say anything in here... ... and actually she even dropped off once (that was CIA-8 or something), but current CIA-14 doesn't do any better...	[00:32]
marclaporte	http://cia.vc/account/bots/7881/	[00:33]
amette	... I guess there could be some problem with her not getting the sf-mails correctly or such? Would need to check on cia-site, I think.	[00:34]
marclaporte	it's currently inactive	[00:34]
amette	oh, why?	[00:34]
marclaporte	I don't know wanna investigate?	[00:34]
amette	sure	[00:35]
marclaporte	You should have all the access you need	[00:35]
amette	ok, cool - thanks! :)	[00:35]
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amette	"The bot you are requesting access to, TikiWiki on Freenode, has been claimed exclusively by another user: Mary Luketich. " Who is that?	[00:36]
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marclaporte	she is a Tiki user where do you see that?	[00:36]
amette	I accessed "Bots" in the left hand menu and then wanted a new bot to join #tikiwiki as I couldn't see the current bot anywhere in the web-interface	[00:37]
marclaporte	Can you override?	[00:37]
amette	I can write here a mail to ask to give control over the bot to me.. s/here/her	[00:37]
marclaporte	ok	[00:38]
amette	ok, send her a message dang: s/send/sent	[00:39]
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amette	my logs tell me that this was the last time CIA said anything: #tikiwiki.06-07.log:11:54:09< CIA-11> chibaguy * r13162 /mods/trunk/ (32 files in 7 dirs): [NEW] Faulkner theme for TikiWiki 1.10. Adaptation of Demus Design original (http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=961). so it has nothing to do with the move to SVN or such... but I still think that it might be something in the sf.net configuration... cia.vc says: "# You may already be using a hosting service, like SourceForge.net or Gna!, which provides built-in CIA.vc integration. Check with your hosting provider for details. You may need to ensure that CIA.vc and your hosting provider use the same project name. " - so I think, that some sf.net admin should have a look at the SourceForge side of things, too. There is also the possibility of "If your project uses a public Subversion repository, the CIA.vc server can contact your repository directly and check for commits. " - but I would rather use the sf.net integration as I think, that it's more performant.	[00:47]
marclaporte	amette: I will promote you temporarily to admin on SF so you can investigate, ok?	[00:50]
amette	ok, sure, thanks	[00:50]
marclaporte	done thank you for investigating	[00:51]
amette	works - thanks np, I miss CIA ;)	[00:51]
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amette	marclaporte: ah, nope, nothing wrong on sf.net side - here are all the commits: http://cia.vc/stats/project/tikiwiki so you can remove my admin status again, thanks - it must be something on CIA bot-side	[00:58]
marclaporte	amette: fyi: http://www.irseek.com/	[01:00]
amette	wow, cool - thanks! :)	[01:00]
marclaporte	I removed you from project admin but I left you all the other SF rights	[01:02]
amette	ah, great - thank you! :)	[01:03]
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Caarrie	hehe	[01:05]
amette	g	[01:05]
Caarrie	!deop amette :P	[01:05]
marclaporte	yay!	[01:05]
amette	yeah, it has been such a long time that I totally forgot how to claim my admin-rights in here... but chanserv is very helpful, when being nice to her.. ;)	[01:06]
Caarrie	sure cs is a female? :P	[01:06]
amette	but I'm not so sure, if that helped anything for CIA - I think, I gotta wait for Mary Luketich to anser... yeah, all bots are females ;)	[01:07]
Caarrie	then why do i call my bot a guy?	[01:07]
amette	it's like with computers, ships and so on... because you're a gal? ;)	[01:07]
Caarrie	hehe	[01:07]
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amette	sylvieg: around? I have a question regarding how to fix a bug in sefurl...	[05:58]
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	wrote a mail to devel-list	[06:36]
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	Hi all Newbie Alert !! Can someone help me out on a small problem with permissions. I set up wiki approval and now any user other than admin cannot view the homepage on login. Any help available please	[07:57]
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sylvieg	amette: should the sefurl fix in the rewrite rule	[11:11]
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mstef	hi all marclaporte: you here?	[13:04]
marclaporte	y	[13:06]
mstef	marclaporte: should i create tiki_2.0to3.0.sql?	[13:07]
amette	polom sylvieg: nice! :) not sure though - wrote another mail.. ;)	[13:07]
marclaporte	I think so	[13:07]
mstef	marclaporte: ok.	[13:07]
amette	mstef: yeah, go ahead	[13:07]
sylvieg	amette: I do not think there is a standard on slfurl...	[13:08]
amette	what do you mean? a standard? for how they have to look?	[13:08]
sylvieg	sylvieg wonders why I never go through the problem before... yes why it is ? or &	[13:08]
amette	no, there's not - it's afaik just "making readable URLs and having as little as possible in a query string" - like: be RESTful ah, yup, it's just that Apache breaks on URLs that don't start the query string with "?"...	[13:09]
marclaporte	mstef: : also, make sure it's only bug fixes in 2.o because we are in RC mode	[13:09]
mstef	marclaporte: i will.	[13:10]
amette	... anything appended with only "&" and no "?" is being treated as a complete URL with path and no query string	[13:10]
marclaporte	and we hope never to release a 2.1 and go directly to 3.0 in 6 months marclaporte is already looking forward to 3.0... With the new theme enhancements	[13:10]
mstef	mstef eagerly awaits 3.0 also mstef hopes to add microformat support	[13:11]
amette	sylvieg: I don't know when this saved_msg=y was introduced, but perhaps it is so new that you didn't notice the problem - but then I guess you would have noticed it with &bl=n as you use multilingual often, I guess at first I started coding something like: append stuff to $query_string and then check if we have feature_sefurl and according to that -> $url .= '?'.$query_string or $url .= '&'.$query_string ... which I then luckily tested on a page in a structure and it broke on me - so then I decided to rather ask around before I make things worse.. ;) ... but probably one could do it the way I thought, but then make the way of appending $query_string dependend on finding a "?" in $url or not - and not make it dependend on feature_sefurl... ... uhm - is that understandable, what I babble here!? :P	[13:11]
mstef	i cannot login on dev.tw.o, anyone knows the reason? seems to be an xmlrpc error 5	[13:16]
sylvieg	my apache does not complained on ikitrunk/HomePageBis&bl=n&saved_msg=y	[13:16]
amette	mstef: looks like someone broke down the intertiki-server to a default Apache installation: http://tikiwiki.org/ :PP sylvieg: ooooh.... :O	[13:17]
sylvieg	dammit - I already fixed no bl=y after edit - you want to see the page , not the best page after un edit	[13:17]
amette	true	[13:18]
sylvieg	do you have the latest htaccess?	[13:18]
amette	I think so - but I couldn't svn up last night... lemme try again...	[13:18]
sylvieg	just check if the rewrite rule on page is loosy - it was too restricted before back in 10mn	[13:20]
amette	yep, it looks pretty simple: RewriteRule ^([-_+A-Za-z0-9]+)$ tiki-index.php?page=$1 [QSA,L] and the last one (multibyte char support) is commented out ok, cu later	[13:21]
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amette	sylvieg: I think we will really have to fix that: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-3.4 - it has to be a question mark as far as I understand	[13:23]
ohertel	Hello! :)	[13:23]
amette	heya ohertel .)	[13:23]
marclaporte	polom ohertel!	[13:23]
amette	coming here to tell us why tw.o is "It works!"? ;P	[13:23]
ohertel	I'm just working on the de.tw.o and tw.o move to the new server. :)	[13:23]
marclaporte	tiki-admin_security.php -> in branches/2.0, it's not reporting the values for me ex.: register_globals is blank	[13:24]
amette	ok :)	[13:24]
marclaporte	new server. miam!!	[13:24]
ohertel	faster, 4 GB of memory. :)	[13:24]
marclaporte	yay!	[13:25]
ohertel	and we have some borked stuff in the database... Duplicate entry '?????????????' for key 1	[13:25]
amette	so we will use 2 of those Gigs for the TikiWiki Seti@Home team? ;)	[13:25]
ohertel	haha, sure not.	[13:25]
amette	g	[13:25]
ohertel	the moved tw.o you can see here for now: http://antibug.de/tiki-index.php still working on rewrites and minor stuff... ,) Ok, I added a new "we moved" article to tw.o, so if you see that one, then your dns points to the new server already. :)	[13:27]
amette	mine does already - that's why I see "It works!" and intertiki-logins don't work... ;)	[13:31]
ohertel	hm. shouldnt say "it works" .P	[13:31]
amette	yeah, cause it doesn't :P	[13:31]
ohertel	?	[13:31]
amette	well, yes, the Apache works - but tw.o doesn't... how about just changing the "ServerName antibug.de" - should be all that's needed... ... as antibug.de works nicely! :)	[13:32]
ohertel	Ah yuss... I didnt define the virtual hosts yet. haha one sec :)	[13:33]
amette	g ok :)	[13:33]
ohertel	VirtualHost de.tikiwiki.org:80 overlaps with VirtualHost tikiwiki.org:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive hm... that worked on the old server... gnaaah.	[13:36]
amette	yeah, some stuff changed in Apache - I still have to clean out a couple of hundred AllowOverride cause they are useless in later Apaches - but they fill the error log on every restart.. ;) and I'd put an IP-Adress instead of tikiwiki.org or such...	[13:38]
ohertel	do you see the new page now?	[13:39]
amette	... define the domain only through ServerName and optional ServerAlias nope tikiwiki.org -> "It works!" and tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php -> "The requested URL /tiki-index.php was not found on this server."	[13:39]
ohertel	and now?	[13:42]
amette	better :) or put another way "Now it really works!" ;) just http://tikiwiki.org isn't redirecting to http://info.tikiwiki.org yet	[13:42]
ohertel	hm, but index.php is there ...	[13:44]
sylvieg	amette you need to update your rewrtite rules it is why it is not working	[13:44]
ohertel	there is no rewriterule for that.	[13:44]
amette	sylvieg: svn up is running - takes some time still	[13:44]
ohertel	it's just the index.php with a redirect.	[13:44]
amette	ohertel: hmmm... you're sure that http://tikiwiki.org uses the right DocumentRoot? as currently it points to the Apache Default documentroot with the "It works!" html-document	[13:45]
sylvieg	anf after copy _htaccess .htaccess	[13:46]
ohertel	amette: browser caching problem? ,)	[13:46]
amette	sylvieg: ok, I will let you know about it when svn up is finished (sf.net reaaaalllly slow right now) - but I think that having query-strings appended without a "?" is rather sef-unfriendly... :-/ ohertel: ah, yup .) Ctrl-Reload did the trick	[13:47]
ohertel	:p amette: can you load the index.php directly?	[13:47]
amette	yep, redirects me as well	[13:48]
ohertel	and tw.o directly works now, too? or not yet?	[13:48]
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amette	putting http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php works nicely, yes	[13:48]
ohertel	no i mean tikiwiki.org directs to info.tw.o now?	[13:48]
amette	yup, exactly - yes	[13:49]
ohertel	ok =)	[13:49]
Voker57	where to set interface language? I tried setting it in modules -> i18n. no effect	[13:49]
amette	that was, what was fixed with Ctrl-Reload ;) ohertel: now lets fix Intertiki logins.... ;) There is some RewriteRule missing/wrong or such - login on dev.tw.o gives: "XMLRPC Error: 5 - Didn't receive 200 OK from remote server. (HTTP/1.1 302 Found) "	[13:49]
ohertel	hm... all installed...	[13:50]
sylvieg	sf is so slow today....	[13:51]
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amette	hmmmm.... http://tikiwiki.org/remote.php gives a 200 - remote.php is for intertiki, right? so it should work... some caching on dev.tw.o perhaps?? doesn't work from doc.tw.o either though...	[13:56]
ohertel	the remote.php is still on the old server, too... so there should be no problem.	[13:57]
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amette	well, I think that dev.tw.o knows it's own address and asks for the new tw.o to answer the request, right?	[14:00]
ohertel	Uh darn, let me think. .P isnt there an ip coded in?	[14:00]
amette	ouch :P	[14:00]
ohertel	marc ?	[14:00]
amette	marclaporte: ping --^	[14:01]
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marclaporte	back tikiwiki.org has a new ip?	[14:03]
ohertel	yup.	[14:04]
amette	marclaporte: is intertiki set up using an IP instead of the tikiwiki.org hostname on the different subdomains? ohertel: but when there's still the old one accessible... it's weird, why it break when using an IP..?!? :O	[14:04]
ohertel	no idea. maybe marc can have a look whats the exact error? which file is missing?	[14:04]
chibaguy	Voker57, in Tiki 2.0, language is set on tiki-admin.php?page=i18n; in 1.9, maybe admin general? (sorry, I don't have a Tiki 1.9 handy right now.)	[14:05]
Voker57	chibaguy: i've set language to russian on page=i18n, interface is still in english...	[14:07]
ohertel	amette: ah no, cant be working with an ip, because it wouldnt know which docroot to use... so must be a domain name...	[14:07]
amette	thought so, too - yeah - it has to be on the side of the new server...	[14:08]
Voker57	ah that was the "use database for translations" switch	[14:08]
chibaguy	Could your browser langauge preference be affecting it?	[14:09]
marclaporte	I don't undertand what I need to do	[14:10]
ohertel	amette: hm no, when I try to log in to dev.tw.o I dont even see a request in the access log.	[14:10]
amette	sylvieg: yes, with the new .htaccess it works - but still the URL is http://www.blubb.com/MyPage&saved_msg=y - which is not RFC-compliant and therefore most probably not search engine friendly at all... :-/ ... but as it works with the .htaccess I we don't have to fix it for 2.0 - but should think about improving this imho.	[14:11]
sylvieg	sylvieg wants to have the saved_msh optional	[14:11]
amette	ohertel: hmmm.... mysterious	[14:11]
Voker57	chibaguy: no, it's disabled. Now interface is half-translated	[14:12]
amette	marclaporte: talk to the powers you believe in to help us fix it quickly... ;) ohertel: can you turn on php-loggin on dev.tw.o and see if there is something useful in it?	[14:12]
ohertel	no, i cant log in. .P dev.tw.o is on marcs server I think.	[14:14]
amette	sylvieg: yeah, hmm... I think the saved_msg is very nice, but making it optional would be ok for me, too... though it wouldn't fix our URL-problem aaah, ok, I understood it before like you are moving dev.tw.o, too....	[14:14]
ohertel	no, only de.tw.o and tw.o. Thats the 2 ones I am hosting	[14:15]
amette	aaah, de != dev ;)	[14:15]
ohertel	,)	[14:15]
amette	does de.tw.o use intertiki?	[14:16]
Voker57	ugh, translations are ugly in tikiwiki	[14:16]
ohertel	no	[14:16]
amette	darn, that would have been a nice way to test marclaporte: stop talking to the powers that are, turn on PHP error logging on dev.tw.o and send us any output you get, when logging in.... ;)	[14:16]
ohertel	:p	[14:17]
amette	though I'm not so sure if PHP-logging will tell us such stuff..... hmmm.... hmm, well, perhaps it would with E_ALL ... probably it could be enough to enable PHP error reporting in dev.tw.o admin?	[14:18]
	ohertel: dev.tw.o still has 85.25.20.236 as tw.o's IP intertiki wants to access /remote.php - so we were on the right track there	[14:26]
ohertel	? why still, that is marcs server and not mine, so it wont change the ip.	[14:27]
amette	no, no, I mean tikiwiki.org resolves to 85.25.20.236 on the server running dev.tw.o and the old tw.o is in maintenance mode - probably that's the problem?	[14:28]
ohertel	ah okay let me check. .)	[14:29]
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amette	hmm... nope, not really - I get a HTTP 200 when using the old IP, too... ohertel: nope, my FF didn't take the /etc/hosts change - so LiveHeaders showed it right...	[14:31]
ohertel	"POST /remote.php HTTP/1.0" 302 552 "-" "PEAR XML_RPC" .D yup	[14:32]
amette	... but wget knows the truth: HTTP Anforderung gesendet, warte auf Antwort... 302 Found Platz: tiki-error_simple.php?error=We+are+in+maintainance+mode%2C+please+stand+by.+%3A-%29[folge] yep, yep .)	[14:32]
ohertel	but that's bad.	[14:33]
amette	ah, didn't notice that yet... :P	[14:33]
ohertel	I can either open old tw.o or we cant use the slaves. :-/	[14:34]
amette	how about just not allowing logins on the old site?	[14:34]
ohertel	but when I open tw.o, people will start working on it... yes, that's what i did.- that's the maintainance mode...	[14:34]
amette	hmm, right - no other way to do it?	[14:34]
ohertel	But that disables login for intertiki, too.	[14:34]
amette	the biggest problem with allowing intertiki is that we will loose new registrations...	[14:35]
chibaguy	Voker57, translations are done by volunteers, and maybe there's no way to check quality, etc.	[14:35]
Voker57	chibaguy: no, the way it's done is ugly... plain php files	[14:35]
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Voker57	gettext would be much better	[14:36]
amette	ohertel: configure apache mod_proxy to point remote.php to the new IP? ;)	[14:36]
chibaguy	Oh, right. That needs to be improved.	[14:37]
ohertel	wont work... you know... using the right docroot... besides that the 'slave' ip is checked.	[14:37]
chibaguy	I don't know when, though.	[14:37]
ohertel	as there is the proxy ip given then ...	[14:37]
amette	ah, dang... first one could be solved, but second is bad, yeah...	[14:37]
ohertel	I will reopen tw.o but before that add a BIG red banner or something... .D	[14:38]
amette	heh, ok... ,) ohertel: put it in the site-header or so	[14:38]
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ohertel	ok, updated ,D If anyone is still going to edit I cant help. Will be lost. .P	[14:42]
amette	ok - that should be an obvious warning ,)) amette nods	[14:43]
ohertel	yeh, and dev.tw.o working again... we somehow need to split this intertiki away from regular login.	[14:46]
amette	yup, that would be pretty good, yes... ... though not easy - e.g. what to do with people registering in a case like this one? we now worked around the issue with intertiki-login from e.g. dev.tw.o and the editing of tw.o.... ... buuuut: what's with people now registering on tw.o? their account will be lost...	[14:47]
ohertel	yes. That's like 24 hours of trouble. .P	[14:49]
amette	hehe, yup ;) well, hmm, it's not that difficult actually... intertiki would need to be read-only, when closing the site (maintenance mode)... that would do everything we need, right?	[14:49]
ohertel	yes	[14:51]
amette	ok then .)	[14:51]
ohertel	2 switches... disable logins, disable logins including intertiki first one is for a case like we have now. and second one is for like "we update the database" ...	[14:51]
amette	yup, that sounds reasonable amette used his working dev.tw.o account... ;) http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1885&trackerId=5 marclaporte: very nice bug-reporting with the "Thank you for submitting..." and the title of the bug! :)	[14:52]
marclaporte	:-)	[14:59]
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amette	honeygirl moves next? ;)	[15:03]
ohertel	I am trying to ,)	[15:03]
amette	g	[15:03]
ohertel	but somehow it just doesnt do nothing. ,)	[15:04]
amette	ah, reminds me of L0gg3r .P	[15:04]
ohertel	ah darn, how do I download a file from sourceforge via wget? that sucks... ah there it is... smallish link...	[15:15]
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ohertel	ok I can just forget using supybot, it uses python 2.3, and my server doesnt support 2.3 anymore... ah oh... another line... >= 2.3	[15:17]
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ohertel	ok, i need an identd for ubuntu... ,)	[15:23]
amette	yup, sf download sucks - hmm, install python 2.3 into /usr/local perhaps? - and do you mean inetd? ;)	[15:24]
ohertel	Nah, works with 2.5 too I mean ident daemon	[15:24]
amette	ah, cool :)	[15:24]
ohertel	irc server checks back...	[15:24]
amette	oh, ok...	[15:24]
ohertel	supybot runs, but isnt allowed to get in yet. ,) hm... slidentd - minimal ident (RFC 1413) daemon ? ,)	[15:24]
amette	minimal sounds good ;)	[15:25]
ohertel	uh oh dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file something borked	[15:27]
amette	ah, sounds like the debian-illness of always wanting to install its beloved Exim again and you got postfix there, so the exim-group is removed from /etc/group	[15:28]
ohertel	fixed. .P	[15:30]
amette	:) how did you do it?	[15:30]
ohertel	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617496	[15:30]
amette	thanks	[15:30]
ohertel	stop webmin, vi /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride, remove the line, restart webmin ,)	[15:31]
amette	ah, ok ;)	[15:31]
ohertel	on which port are identds listening? O.o ah, 113. .) need to open in the firewall... ,)	[15:31]
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ohertel	hmpfz, not working...	[16:04]
mstef	what's the difference between tiki_p_view_calendar and tiki_p_view_events	[16:10]
marclaporte	good question maybe view events one by one? vs in calendar mode	[16:18]
amette	perhaps first one allows you to view the calendar and "browse for events" and with the second one you can only view events? like when someone sends you a direct link?	[16:19]
	ohertel: tikiwiki.org RewriteRules for sefURL don't work - check it out: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiFestPorto vs http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestPorto	[16:27]
ohertel	hm	[16:28]
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ohertel	thats in the .htaccess, right?	[16:29]
amette	yup, at the very bottom	[16:29]
ohertel	hm.. mod_rewrite is on... what's required for .htaccsss? another mod?	[16:33]
amette	nope, just make sure that AllowOverride allows .htacces and make sure that you activated the _htaccess by renaming it to .htaccess (run htaccess.sh to do that)	[16:33]
ohertel	I did	[16:34]
amette	ok	[16:34]
ohertel	access_module required... dont have one like that... maybe named different in apache 2.2?	[16:34]
amette	access_module? never heard of that... I guess it's compiled in? you can check in /server-info	[16:35]
ohertel	ah, thats apache 1.3... hm... Ah, probably AllowOverride it is... let me check ,)	[16:35]
amette	,)	[16:36]
ohertel	http://tikiwiki.org/Home works :) Just tell me all you find and I go fix it.	[16:37]
amette	yup, great! Thanks! .) alright :)	[16:37]
ohertel	xref and stuff is still missing... branch 2.0 tar files should be there already. :) Links on that page ... http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Download	[16:38]
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marclaporte	ohertel: : where are 3.0 tarballs?	[16:47]
ohertel	trunk? If you tell me the line I need to use for checkout, there will be some in 5 minutes. :)	[16:48]
marclaporte	http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-3-0.zip [http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-1-9.zip\|Future 1.9.x (BRANCH-1-9 from CVS)] [http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-2-0.zip\|Future 2.0.x (branches/2.0 from SVN)] *[http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-3-0.zip\|Future 3.0.x (branches/trunk from SVN)]	[16:48]
ohertel	which page were the svn commands again?	[16:49]
marclaporte	oups *[http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-3-0.zip\|Future 3.0.x (trunk from SVN)]	[16:49]
amette	dev.tw.o/SVNTips ?	[16:49]
marclaporte	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Download I suggest http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_2-x.zip instead of http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-2-0.zip	[16:50]
ohertel	It's using the name of the branch I hand over. http://detikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_trunk.zip uh ... http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_trunk.zip	[16:55]
marclaporte	ok what is status on tw.o?	[17:11]
ohertel	ircbot for logging still not working, xref and doxygen are not generated yet, and I am on branch-1-11 from cvs right now. All else should work. if you find something else, tell me. for cvs you want branch-1-11 or head?	[17:13]
lphuberdeau_	branch-1-11? CVS?	[17:16]
ohertel	branch-1-9, sorry. ,)	[17:16]
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marclaporte	Are modules WYSIWYCA?	[17:29]
ohertel	no idea.	[17:30]
marclaporte	I can't access http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestStrasbourg	[17:30]
ohertel	it brings me back to the old server. maybe a problem with dns, have to wait till all is updated ...	[17:32]
marclaporte	ok do I need to update anything at easydns?	[17:35]
ohertel	I did uh ... http://de.tikiwiki.org/tar/lastiki_BRANCH-1-9.zip Okay, works too. Do we need HEAD too? from CVS?	[17:38]
marclaporte	no only BRANCH-1-9 from CVS all the rest from SVN	[17:46]
ohertel	ok then we got all now. :) I'll think about better names of the tars, like you said. We'll see. Bad thing is we have to update all pages and links, and any direct URLs people have will be broken then, too. And holding it twice, old and new name is too much work.	[17:50]
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mstef	lphuberdeau_: you here?	[17:53]
marclaporte	we can make htacess redirect	[17:54]
mstef	do i have to put a new preference into tiki_2.0to3.0.sql or is this automatically handled via lib/setup/prefs.php?	[17:56]
marclaporte	just prefs.php I think. The goal of prefs was to make simpler And to permit things like reset to default	[17:59]
ohertel	haha, doxygen is LOTS faster than before, like 10 times... .P	[18:01]
mstef	so that's why lphuberdeau deleted my line from the fresh tiki_2.0to.3.0.sql? i just ask, because i want to commit "authenticated rss" feature http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1515&trackerId=5&show=view and i have made the whole thing optional, using a preference. so now i wonder, whether to put the pref into the upgrade sql script or if prefs.php is enough.	[18:01]
marclaporte	that, I don't know. nyloth would know and when you find out, can you document?	[18:03]
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marclaporte	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Hello+World	[18:03]
mstef	yes, i wanted to add this earlier already, but dev.tw.o was not available. marclaporte: yes, that's what i wanted to update, and the tracker of course.	[18:03]
ohertel	http://de.tikiwiki.org/dox-trunk/html/	[18:04]
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mstef	marclaporte: hmmm, i guess it works this way, prefs.php provides a default, and this get's only written to the database when i change it via the admin interface.	[18:06]
ohertel	http://de.tikiwiki.org/dox-BRANCH-1-9/html/	[18:06]
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marclaporte	I am certain nyloth thought this out	[18:07]
dthacker	polom	[18:08]
ohertel	http://de.tikiwiki.org/dox-BRANCH-2-0/html/ doxygen available now, too. all 3 branches. :)	[18:09]
dthacker	are upgrading all the tiki infrastructure today?	[18:11]
ohertel	de.tw.o and tw.o the two I am hosting.	[18:11]
dthacker	nice :) happy updating!	[18:13]
ohertel	almost done. .)	[18:14]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : you here?	[18:15]
sylvieg	chibaguy: just for 2 mns s/gary/marc	[18:16]
ohertel	http://de.tikiwiki.org/xref-BRANCH-1-9/	[18:18]
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ohertel	http://de.tikiwiki.org/xref-BRANCH-2-0 http://de.tikiwiki.org/xref-trunk okay, docs complete. :)	[18:19]
sylvieg	cool ohertel thx	[18:20]
ohertel	update as usual once a day, between 1-2 am GMT+1	[18:21]
marclaporte	we have duplicate plugin in 2.0 subscribegroup and subscribegroups sylvieg : ^	[18:21]
ohertel	sylvieg: will add your login soon to the server too, so you can tw.o up, if needed. .)	[18:21]
sylvieg	do you svn up now - or are you still copying the files	[18:22]
ohertel	I will automate all stuff so there isnt much required to so then. hm.. good question, I could do a svn up, too... does this ignore files I copied in there?	[18:22]
mstef	marclaporte: i cannot edit that page.	[18:22]
ohertel	sylvieg: and I have replaced the remote.php with the old, smaller one... will this be killed by svn up?	[18:23]
sylvieg	files you copied in your directory will remain	[18:23]
ohertel	I could set up a cron to update tw.o, too. But I dont know if that is a good idea.	[18:24]
sylvieg	no the file will appear as modified but if you do not commit - it will stay the only risk is to have a conflick when you svn up imho better to do by hand	[18:24]
ohertel	We could make it a different way. :) I will add a cronjob that will check for a flag. And we add a link for 'admin' to set the flag. :) So you can update tw.o by a click. :) or better: you click, and then at the next.. say 5 minutes, tw is being updated.	[18:24]
marclaporte	marclaporte gave tiki_p_edit_categorized to Registered users	[18:25]
ohertel	we need a mod-two_up.php .D	[18:26]
marclaporte	marclaporte wonders what tiki_p_edit_categorized gives as permissions to the various features	[18:26]
ohertel	okay, what else is missing besides the irc logger for http://irc.tikiwiki.org ?	[18:26]
marclaporte	1 click web access to IRC chat room from irc.tikiwiki.org	[18:27]
ohertel	,)	[18:27]
marclaporte	amette : looked into some stuff	[18:27]
amette	amette wakes up what? where? who? how? ;)	[18:27]
marclaporte	amette & ohertel: what is our plan for IRC?	[18:28]
amette	yes, the solution currently running at http://irc.amette.eu has a pretty nice interface with everything you need... ... only thing to rip out of it would be e.g. the "set password" dialog as everyone can lock the channel logs...	[18:28]
ohertel	amette: Do you have live-logging, too?	[18:29]
amette	... some other logging-bot would be nice though... I think that such a combined solution would be pretty nice	[18:29]
marclaporte	Logs of this channel are not protected. You can protect them by a password. -> can you get rid of this?	[18:29]
ohertel	I modified the bot I have to write all stuff to database.	[18:29]
amette	ohertel: yup, it's L0gg3r in here - she comes with the packages that provides the web-interface, but she is a pretty dumb bot	[18:29]
sylvieg	marclaporte: the plugins are differens http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginSubscribeGroup%2FPluginSubscribeGroups&structure=Documentation	[18:29]
amette	marclaporte: yes, that should be easy	[18:29]
ohertel	amette: no, i mean: can you see the live logs somewhere, too? I only see archives there.	[18:30]
amette	ohertel: the thing you should know about that web-inerface - it is written in bash... ;P	[18:30]
ohertel	argh	[18:30]
amette	ohertel: ah, you mean, like dynamically updating the page?	[18:30]
ohertel	yes	[18:30]
amette	nope, that's not in there	[18:30]
ohertel	similar to the current http://irc.tikiwiki.org/	[18:31]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : oups How about this : http://cgiirc.org/ ohertel & amette	[18:31]
amette	ohertel: hard to see right now as it currently isn't logged... ;)	[18:31]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : two plugins are useful?	[18:32]
amette	marclaporte: that's not for logging, or is it? but you mean like installing it in parallel? yeah, I thought about that	[18:32]
sylvieg	the cnrs is using both	[18:33]
mstef	marclaporte: thanks a lot, you have an editlock on that page.	[18:33]
sylvieg	the group is more subscribe in a newsletters/notification	[18:33]
marclaporte	mstef: just override	[18:33]
sylvieg	the groups is more putiing yourself in group	[18:33]
mstef	marclaporte: ok. thanks later guys.	[18:34]
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marclaporte	ohertel: mose had once done a galaxia workflow which updated the tikiwiki (I think) But I think we'll stay on stable 2.0.x for a while on tw.o If we go to 3.0, it'll be more on dev.tw.o	[18:37]
dthacker	no 2.1?	[18:46]
marclaporte	hopefully no 2.1 http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log_search/tikiwiki?search=sylvieg&action=search&error=0 -> search is excellent	[18:47]
ohertel	So we do releases in the full numbers now? :) Not up to 1.99? ,) but 99.0 instead?	[18:47]
marclaporte	it's excellent to be able to quote a specific line: http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-16,Wed&sel=992#l988 yes, full numbers http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-16,Wed&sel=992#l988 oups http://dev.tikiwiki.org/roadmap 2 releases per year trunk has to stay usable, much like BRANCH-1-10 was for the last year or more	[18:48]
amette	well, I'm not against releasing one minor release in between - something like 2.1 might really make sense, especially as after the 2.0 release it doesn't move - so the 2.1 is not too much work, but gives nice fixes - also it imho looks nicer to have at least some version in between ;) but basically yup: in a perfect world there is no 2.1 needed	[18:50]
marclaporte	I think we'll have a 2.1 because of long gestation period but I think we won't have 3.1	[18:51]
amette	well, let's see... we have high expectations for 3.0 - and it would be amazing to get all that stuff right with the first release and without any gestation period ;)	[18:52]
dthacker	dthacker needs to read the tikifest report, the release schedule was quite fluid last time I looked.	[18:53]
amette	imho we should stick very tightly to our half-year-cycle (just as e.g. Ubuntu does), but not betray ourselves on potentially needed minor versions - it would be perfect, if they are not needed - but it won't hurt, if we have to release one	[18:53]
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ohertel	ok, pjirc module on tw.o works again, too. :)	[18:54]
ohertel_	blabla .D	[18:54]
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amette	heh .P	[18:54]
marclaporte	amette : +1	[18:54]
caralluna	Hi folks :-)	[18:54]
marclaporte	hi Caarrie\|away oups	[18:54]
caralluna	lol	[18:54]
marclaporte	hi caralluna	[18:54]
caralluna	:-)	[18:54]
dthacker	if you can stay to half year then your april release will always be ready for the fall Linux releases, and fall will be ready for spring. You could do a "fix release in Jan and Jul if prudent.	[18:55]
caralluna	II am using 2.0 svn as my main site at the moment ... about to set upp 3.0 on my test site ... but wondered ... when updating the tiki files, will that delete files I have added manually in my local tw tw-dir?	[18:56]
amette	dthacker: hmm, good point - we had many good points about the timing of our releases, but this one we missed :) caralluna: depends on how you do it - but rule of thumb (actually for anything, even if you are just reading your mails or brushing your teeth): do backups! ;)	[18:56]
dthacker	and of course we hope there will be no security releases, but the bad guys are always poking at things.	[18:58]
caralluna	amette: lol yeah I won't have anything important there, only for test use :-)	[18:59]
marclaporte	caralluna: : you will be using SVN?	[18:59]
amette	yup, that's e.g. one thing that might force us to release a x.1 release - well, nothing too bad imho - as we have a tight schedule and a decent code-free, we won't have any newly broken stuff in there, so a release basically just means packaging once more s/code-free/code-freeze	[19:00]
caralluna	marclaporte: Yeah, I'm using svn 2.0 on my main site and just want to keep updated on the progress on the 3.0 :-) ... so I'll be using svn on both	[19:01]
marclaporte	if you use svn, your files will be fine	[19:03]
caralluna	ok thanks :-)	[19:03]
marclaporte	if you edit default files, it will attempt to merge changes all the other files are left untouched	[19:03]
caralluna	lol ... my next qustion :-) you psychic or something? :-P	[19:04]
amette	yes - it will be more the problem that you might _not_ get some of the changes in SVN when they collide badly with your local changes (had that today with the .htaccess) caralluna: pssst.... don't say it out loud ;P	[19:04]
caralluna	I don't think I1ll be doing much more changes than a few css-changes :-)	[19:05]
amette	now that I think again - today with .htaccess was another problem... but somewhen I had such issues... just make sure to test with a clean checkout, if weird stuff happens...	[19:10]
caralluna	is there a "new features in 3.0"-page somewhere?	[19:11]
amette	I only know the dropped-features page :P http://dev.tikiwiki.org/RoadMap	[19:11]
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caralluna	I see that some of you ppl in here greet each other with "polom" or something like that ... is that just like "hi" in some language I don't know or does it have another meaning?	[19:19]
amette	>whatis polom	[19:20]
Sug4r`	'polom' could be (#1) a geeky greeting in #tikiwiki channel, simmilar to hello ;), or (#2) a common greeting in #tikiwiki that is often mirrored for answering like 'moloq' or 'bolow' or answer whatever you feel like right now, or (#3) a greeting in #tikiwiki that was once used by someone and quickly stuck to become common culture of the community, or (#4) just some word of babytalk ;P	[19:20]
amette	Sug4r`: thanks :)	[19:20]
caralluna	lol thanks :-)	[19:20]
amette	g	[19:20]
marclaporte	caralluna http://tikiwiki.org/Glossary -> when the site is back	[19:29]
ohertel	works for me. ,)	[19:29]
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caralluna	for me too	[19:44]
ohertel	marc: if it doesnt refresh for you then your pc remembers the old dns entry. latest windows versions with virusscanner have this as a dns spoof prevention or something... I rebooted and all was well then. :)	[19:52]
amette	reboo-what? :P	[19:53]
ohertel	yeh, windows doesnt even let me refresh dns cache anymore... it's locked. ipconfig /flushdns that doesnt work anymore since some updates. ,(	[19:53]
amette	you have Vista with all those glorious "security enhancements"?	[19:54]
ohertel	no, xp3	[19:54]
marclaporte	xp	[19:54]
amette	ouch - that really sucks :_/	[19:54]
ohertel	xp sp3 I mean	[19:54]
amette	oh, even in XP - bah... :(	[19:54]
ohertel	Not sure if it is a virus scanner feature or sp3 feature.	[19:54]
amette	hmmm, but weird and sucky anyways... :-/	[19:55]
ohertel	Cant find anything to clear the cache. and I cant find out why my ircbot cannot connect to the irc. timeout it says, but where, why.. hm ping to irc server works.	[19:55]
amette	yeah, I wonder the same with L0gg3r - sometimes it connects instantly and then at other times it just doesn't do it - doesn't help to wait ten minutes between reconnects or such either.... ... then one try just succeeds - pling and in!	[19:57]
ohertel	on the old server it works pretty well	[19:58]
amette	I have no problems whatsoever connecting with my irssi despite not having any identd and I have never had those problems with supybot when I still had one... ... dunno, if freenode has some new policies!? hmmm.... so, if you now start honeybot on the old server it just works immediately?	[19:58]
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amette	apparantly .P	[19:59]
ohertel	10 seconds and it is in.	[19:59]
amette	hmmm....	[19:59]
ohertel	It's the same config file... port 6667 is open, identd is running...	[20:00]
amette	does freenode have some blacklists on IP-ranges? but how does it then distinguish between irssi and L0gg3r ?? I mean, I run them on the same machine... it's really weird... and sucks big time as L0gg3r doesn't give any meaningful output :-/	[20:00]
ohertel	hm, let me try something. :)	[20:05]
amette	ohertel puts on the black hat... ,)	[20:05]
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marclaporte	sylvieg: : /me wonders about subscribegroup(s) plugins and InterTiki...	[20:06]
amette	ohertel: please run the db-upgrade scipt on tw.o - Unknown column 'wiki_authors_style' in 'field list' ;)	[20:07]
ohertel	oop .P	[20:07]
amette	g We will find all the bugs on the new tw.o, I'm sure! ;)	[20:07]
ohertel	try again :)	[20:11]
amette	aaah - much better! :) thanks! .)	[20:11]
ohertel	where did you get that?	[20:12]
amette	on editing TikiFestPorto when saving	[20:12]
ohertel	oop ,)	[20:12]
amette	it is a new feature, that you can choose the author's style per page afaics	[20:12]
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amette	well, F5 and "send again" then nothing was lost - don't worry ;)	[20:12]
ohertel	hm...	[20:12]
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ohertel	ah that sucks...	[20:21]
amette	well, do you have an idea now at least what exactly it is that is sucking?	[20:21]
ohertel	no	[20:22]
amette	ok, that sucks .P	[20:22]
ohertel	hm, is there a text mode irc client for linux? then I go and install that one...	[20:22]
amette	I suggest irssi	[20:22]
Caarrie	Caarrie does not like them	[20:22]
ohertel	text mode? I have no gui for the server...	[20:23]
amette	you could try bitchx, but the "Name ist Programm" ;) yup, irssi is console	[20:23]
Caarrie	so is bitchx	[20:23]
amette	yup, that's why I mentioned it - but bitchx really keeps usabilitywise what the name promises ;)	[20:24]
Caarrie	i did get an odd message once on installing bitchx about foul language in the application :P	[20:25]
ohertel	hm, seems the irc client doesnt get anny connection either... from the same server	[20:25]
***	Caarrie is now known as Caarrie\|away	[20:28]
amette	Caarrie: oh yes, the default messages are uhm... hmm... 'nice' ;P ohertel: ooooooh - that's weird then... dunno that problem yet... ... but actually I now don't want to try it out, if it changed since the last time I logged in... ;)	[20:28]
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ohertel	ok, it's another problem, the bot doesnt get a connect to the outside. maybe my firewall script is borked.	[20:54]
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ohertel	hm, seems some basic stuff is missing. wget etc. can do connects to the outside, but all scripts cannot.	[21:37]
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marclaporte	polom	[23:26]
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