#tikiwiki 2008-07-21,Mon

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Who	What	When
amette	moloq	[00:00]
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marclaporte	polom chibaguy!	[00:17]
chibaguy	polom marclaporte	[00:17]
marclaporte	http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=33 -> Work has already started on TikiWiki 3.0, which will be released in April 2009. The main focus of version 3.0 will be enhancing the user interface, the admin interface, the theme system and built-in themes.	[00:18]
chibaguy	Sounds great! Is site identity also going to be turned on by default? (just noticed tiki-top_bar turned off by default)	[00:18]
amette	chibaguy: sure - we work on the overall "first impression" of Tiki :)	[00:20]
marclaporte	chibaguy: : as you wish	[00:20]
amette	marclaporte disabled it today, because it is dumb to tell people the date... ... so if you come with some smart stuff to put there - pleeeeaaaase go ahead!! :)	[00:20]
marclaporte	hehe	[00:20]
chibaguy	I've been using tiki-top_bar for the horizontal menu, but will remove the pref check and combine it with tiki-site_header.tpl probably.	[00:20]
marclaporte	it should be user generated title	[00:20]
amette	you know - we have a new release schedule and we are allowed to "break stuff" (inside certain boundaries)	[00:21]
marclaporte	{$site_title} or something, which would be one of the settings in Site Identity	[00:21]
amette	sure - why now have an installer with radio buttons "Continue to Tiki" and "Do the first customization"... ... the second one allowing to input your custom text that will be rendered into the top-bar... ... Patrick Allard had some nice ideas about that at TikiFest Strasbourg... marclaporte: where is he btw?	[00:21]
chibaguy	Yes, there should be a simple way to set a text title. Now it needs to be in custom code.	[00:22]
amette	I sadly didn't manage to force him to join IRC in Strasbourg... :-/ ;)	[00:22]
marclaporte	hehe	[00:23]
amette	tell him that IRC is semi-asynchronous communication and that he doesn't have to fear about his english being too bad - he has time in here to answer, but it is still faster and "more real" than e-mail	[00:24]
marclaporte	he uses MSN all the time :-)	[00:25]
amette	ouch :P	[00:25]
marclaporte	IRC is still a blocker for many people	[00:25]
amette	so there's more stuff that I will have to beat out of him? ;))	[00:25]
marclaporte	which is why we need logs and web interface :-)	[00:25]
amette	hmmm... well, you use miranda and I think that miranda really isn't too hard... he can do it, too it's fun in here - we are all nice - and if one can cope with dumb jokes, then he won't have any problems in here ;) (and I know he can ;) ) you know - he's currently designing the new tw.o MetaDesign - and it's actually a bad thing to not share it early, share it often...	[00:25]
chibaguy	what is a MetaDesign?	[00:28]
amette	... the design he built there two days long as a mocku-up is awesome - everybody agreed on TikiFest... chibaguy: like one "Corporate Identity" for all the sites - so they are recognizable as belonging together	[00:28]
chibaguy	Ah, great.	[00:28]
amette	... but leaving people like chibaguy and luciash out of it - that's just not smart! I told luciash about how I liked the design and he just wondered: "Huh, what? I built one, too - and Patrick and I had a good discussion over it - we agreed on most stuff!" So it really would be a kick into the you-know-what, if just one day Patrick's design would become the master one and chibaguy and luciash didn't even have to say anything... ... I bet that those three guys (and the other style-people) would make a great team! :)	[00:28]
chibaguy	I think the process needs to be collaborative, to use knowledge and so everyone feels good about it.	[00:30]
amette	amette nods	[00:31]
chibaguy	Otherwise people can react negatively even to good ideas.	[00:31]
amette	yup	[00:31]
chibaguy	His portfolio has nice designs but some seemed quite customized from the standard tiki. Staying within/extending the environment is kind of design challenge itself.	[00:32]
amette	chibaguy: yes, I agree - there are kewl design - but some e.g. just don't work for me - I have a 1920 pixel width monitor, but I still have to scroll horizontally...?!?? ;PP marclaporte: tell Patrick to post his design proposal to tiki-devel list - I bet there will be lots of good input :)	[00:33]
marclaporte	:-)	[00:34]
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amette	see? also Caarrie awakes when hearing about good design! ;)	[00:36]
chibaguy	Also there is the challenge of the design for Tiki project sites, which may not be the same as the best desing for general users. Of course maybe it could be, but it all has to be considered.	[00:36]
Caarrie	what?	[00:36]
amette	Caarrie: yes, yes ;)	[00:36]
Caarrie	Caarrie is lost	[00:36]
amette	g np - I was just joking :) chibaguy: yup - it is one hell of a lot harder to create a generic design but that's why I think that you guys would make a great team! :) Patrick brings in new ideas and you guys know all the pitfalls of Tiki :)	[00:36]
chibaguy	Yep, good combination.	[00:37]
amette	:) marclaporte: so! Currently I can't shake him physically - so you have to do that for me! ;) He either joins the community or not! Will you take the job of making that clear? ;)	[00:37]
sylvieg	hi chibaguy: in trunk I am using darkroom - can I reduce the size of the text - it is pretty big - and reducing in FF do not change all the texts... somebody else complains	[00:39]
chibaguy	hi sylvieg, ok, changing the body font tag should work. Just about all text below that is set in ems or 5. ..or %	[00:40]
sylvieg	the module titles are too big	[00:41]
chibaguy	ah, well, if you want to reduce sizes in specific places, that's ok, too	[00:41]
sylvieg	btw thanks my son who was matricx fan - will change for darkroom	[00:42]
amette	hehe :)	[00:42]
chibaguy	(for overall size, body font tag is used for ie, html>body for other browsers. :-) Sometimes in *litecss themes I notice a difference in text size in left and right column due to different number of parent divs, so sometimes its necessary to set these sizes separately.	[00:42]
sylvieg	just need to find another set of icons .... the default ones are too colorful (thx nyloth to have begun icons per style)	[00:45]
chibaguy	Yes, that bright blue module flipping icon is rather out of place sometimes. The old one was plain but at least no color conflict.	[00:46]
sylvieg	but as we have the way to it now - only to have a lgpl set ...	[00:48]
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chibaguy	About the site header, I want to make a few wiki pages to describe the layout in the themes I've done. There might easily be a better way to do things. (I wanted to have logo and banner display side by side, switchable, and also the other login and search positioned.) So Patrick and others can take a look and (very) possibly improve things. The challenge is that many designs have a rectangle, like 100px tall, to fit everything into. It isn't like older themes where each item can just be added to the stack.	[00:51]
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nathaniel	Question: I can't find the staging features in 1.9.11. Am I totally missing it? I've read the documentation and still can't seem to find it. I just want to enable moderation for wiki content.	[03:39]
chibaguy	nathaniel, I don't believe the staging feature is in 1.9.11. As far as I know, it's only in 1.10beta and later.	[03:44]
nathaniel	Ok. I guess that makes sense. At least I know I'm not going crazy. Thanks for the help.	[03:44]
chibaguy	sure	[03:46]
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franck	marclaporte: glop? is there any shopping cart solution for tikiwiki?	[03:51]
marclaporte	not yet soon something is planned it's the last missing feature	[03:52]
franck	who is working on it? is there a plan, link, etc?	[04:03]
	http://www.tikiwiki.org/ <--- huh? marclaporte: BUG ^^^^	[04:15]
chibaguy	Is that due to the server move?	[04:17]
marclaporte	chibaguy: looks like it can you email ohertel?	[04:20]
franck	who, me?	[04:22]
chibaguy	I just emailed him about it.	[04:33]
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franck	marclaporte: chibaguy: http://www.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php?highlight=shoping+cart&where=pages&search= <---huh? from: http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php?where=wikis&highlight=shoping+cart&search=	[05:30]
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chibaguy	www.tikiwiki.org/* should be an alias for tikiwiki.org* for every page except the index page, which redirects to info.tikiwiki.org. I guess this hasn't been set up for the new server.	[05:51]
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marclaporte	anyone speak portuguese her? franck: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/shopping+cart	[10:55]
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marclaporte	polom	[12:01]
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ricks99_	hi all :) 2.0 looks gr8 so far! to rerun the installer, you now must be logged in first? is there a way to add this notice to the user (i.e., show the standard error page with 'please login with an admin account') instead of simply reloading the home page?	[12:04]
marclaporte	I wish lph was here to answer that quesion question	[12:11]
ricks99_	i tried looking at tiki-install.php, but i cant even figure out where the check is made :(	[12:12]
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marclaporte	ricks99_: probably in tiki-setup	[12:56]
ricks99_	actually, i see it now in tiki-intall.php..... is there somehting tha has to be included in order to use $smarty->assign ('msg',....) and $smarty->display("error.tpl")?	[13:01]
marclaporte	dunno	[13:07]
ricks99_	i can get a page to display a msg, but would be nicer if it were in a regular tiki error page	[13:08]
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ricks99_	found it :)	[13:15]
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marclaporte	lphuberdeau : would know he fixed tiki-install.php lphuberdeau: : http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-21,Mon&sel=142#l138	[13:20]
lphuberdeau	check is made in tiki-install.php... only thing that file does before including installer/tiki-installer.php	[13:21]
ricks99_	i tried. it works, but after succefully loggin in as admin i can not run the installer. get "table missing" error. i have a fix tho...	[13:22]
lphuberdeau	never saw that one	[13:23]
ricks99_	checking in, in one sec... should this be in trunk only, or 2.0?	[13:23]
marclaporte	if it prevents an install, it's a blocker and should be 2.0 never saw table missing either...	[13:24]
ricks99_	not prevents, but try this use case: as anon... try to access tiki-install.php.... u get no message, just the home page this is vastly different than 1.9 (when you at least got a prompt to login as admin) i added to trunk. so u can see/test and decide if it should b in 2.0, too	[13:25]
sylvieg	ricks99_: not sure about the change about include_once('adodb' ... is it the change nyloth did to accep free.fr?	[13:37]
ricks99_	i only changed lines 104-110	[13:39]
sylvieg	on cvs mailing list there is a change on line 51	[13:39]
ricks99_	let me c..... my bad. had to revert to prior. and re-did my checkin tx sylvieg	[13:40]
sylvieg	no problem	[13:44]
ricks99_	but now, at least, users get a message telling why trying to access tiki-install.php simply shows the home page :)	[13:44]
sylvieg	thx :-)	[13:45]
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lphuberdeau	ricks: I think this would be a good fix for 2.0 as well	[14:04]
ricks99_	k. i need someone to check security issues... i dont fully understand the difference betewee "exit" and "die". any implications?	[14:05]
lphuberdeau	they are the same exit usually means something clean while die is more for debug purposes however, that does not really apply in tiki	[14:07]
ricks99_	k. so u see no issues with the stuff?	[14:09]
lphuberdeau	well, just changing a message	[14:09]
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lphuberdeau	sounds safe to me	[14:10]
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ricks99_	well no. there was no message previously	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	it's not like if you made a modification in the auth checking stuff	[14:11]
ricks99_	. k	[14:13]
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snarlydwarf	wow i sleep for 3 months and tw goes to 2.0.. nice about time for a major verson number increment snarlydwarf hopes to be done with his dumb webproject so he can play with tw again.	[16:51]
caralluna	caralluna hopes snarlydwarf slept well ;-)	[16:55]
snarlydwarf	not really :/	[16:55]
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caralluna	too bad :-/	[16:56]
snarlydwarf	project: replace ektron evil crapware windows cms with linux/drupal crapware site took 3 people a year to write and $600k drupal site: 3 months and one person and stolen hardware :)	[16:56]
caralluna	yay	[16:57]
snarlydwarf	all cause i got an intranet in tw set up in a week including all the theming "omg, save us from this crapware then!"	[16:57]
franck1	but why drupal?	[17:02]
caralluna	because they haven't seen the light ;-)	[17:02]
snarlydwarf	well its for a tv news site dru sorta fits their needs better well, 3 tv news sites	[17:03]
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snarlydwarf	very simple permissions system, admin, public, newsroom and a couple others for things like updating tv schedules so tw's complex permissions would be sorta lost on it but intranet stays on tw i miss the tw theming method tho dru's is so.. odd. "make a hugeass template fill overriding everything" ick so much easier to grab smarty templates and tweak them	[17:04]
sylvieg	nkoth3: around?	[17:14]
nkoth3	y i missed the early part of this project discussion	[17:14]
sylvieg	about a commit you did on userslib.php rev 13256 sourceforge view svn is not working for me ... so can you find it bach it was on jun 15	[17:16]
nkoth3	checking...	[17:16]
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ohertel	Heya! :)	[17:16]
sylvieg	i will have done (empty($_GLOBALS['user']) && $prefs['validateRegistration'] == 'y')? 'a': ((empty($_GLOBALS['user']) && $prefs['validateUsers'] == 'y')? 'u': NULL) hello ohertel because now a user with admin validation can not register anymore	[17:16]
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ohertel	I fixed www.tw.o -> tw.o redirect. Anything else besides email not working yet? :)	[17:17]
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nkoth3	sylvieg: ok ... looking at it now does it affect other things where that is needed?	[17:19]
sylvieg	validation by admin + validation email does not work anymore it is petjal problem on dev list if I fix what I paste before it works for me...	[17:21]
nkoth3	so if you revert it is ok?	[17:24]
sylvieg	I do not revert I just change !empty tests to empty tests I will commit in 2.0 - so I need to be sure	[17:24]
nkoth3	but how does that help	[17:26]
sylvieg	??	[17:26]
nkoth3	it makes sense ut...	[17:28]
sylvieg	yes - your comment and my fix - makes sense to me not really - still missing a point :-( need to retest all the registration configuration	[17:28]
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nkoth3	well... waiting == 'a' means admin validating.	[17:34]
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patrickallard	Hi all	[17:35]
nkoth3	what is confusing to me is that how my fix actually fixed anything	[17:36]
sylvieg	because it is the anonymous user that set his own waiting status to 'need admin valid'	[17:37]
nkoth3	that's why I mean my change did not really fix anything, it makes all users have 'need admin valid' if the pref is on to achieve what I wrote in the comment, it has to be your way: empty($_GLOBALS['user']) && ...	[17:43]
sylvieg	if you agree with that - perfect	[17:44]
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mstef	hi all	[18:03]
caralluna	hi :-)	[18:03]
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Paragtim	Hi all. Hoping someone can help with what should be a simple problem. On the homepage, below the content is a box of data refering to the pages on the site. I need to remove this box. Any suggestions?	[18:34]
ricks99_	hi paragtim....	[18:35]
Paragtim	Hi	[18:35]
ricks99_	in tikiwiki, these boxes are called "modules". as the admin, you can add/remove/configure these modules.... see the docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Module%20Admin	[18:35]
Paragtim	Going there now - back soon	[18:36]
ricks99_	see also, this tutorial: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/tiki-index.php?page=Adding+Modules&bl=y	[18:37]
Paragtim	Will go there next. Are there major differences between 1.9 and 1.10 on this?	[18:38]
ricks99_	1.10 has a different UI and some new options. but process to remove a module is identical	[18:38]
Paragtim	The data displayed seems to link to tiki-browse_categories.php? parentid=1. I do not have a module refering to categories in the Assign Modules Section. Am I looking in the wrong place?	[18:41]
ricks99_	there's a prebuilt "categories" module.... but maybe what you're seeing isn't really a module. is it in one of the side columns? (is there a public URL that i can see?)	[18:42]
Paragtim	No the data is showing under the homepage content and I've just checked and it is showing on all the pages, below the content. Never noticed before Sorry in the centre column I've read throught the tutorial before. Excellent resource that helped me no end. If your the Rick - Kudos	[18:45]
ricks99_	ah....you have the "show category objects" option enabled (on the admin: category page) yup... im that rick	[18:47]
Paragtim	Problem solved - Magic. Thank you very much. As I said Kudos. When I know a little more I try to help out a bit	[18:50]
ricks99_	np. glad to have helped	[18:51]
Paragtim	I'm just starting to get into the software. Its really very good. I was talking to chi (Gary) the other day and ask a question he didn't have time to answer. Could I run it past you for your thoughts. I don't think it can be done at the moment	[18:53]
ricks99_	sure	[18:53]
Paragtim	If I have a list of categories. Is the any way that the list could automatically populate the forum and dynamically update the forum listing should the category listing change?	[18:54]
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ricks99_	not sure i understand... u want to categorize forums?	[18:55]
Paragtim	Its sort of allied to the discuss button. I would like to be alle to send the discuss click to the forum under the same heading as the category it originated from But yes - I suppose that categorising forums would be one way to explain it	[18:56]
ricks99_	and u want it tied to the "Discuss" option on a wiki page?	[18:57]
Paragtim	Yeah - pretty much	[18:58]
ricks99_	so if users want to disucss page "Foo" (which is categorized as "Bar") their thread/discussion will automatically be categorized, when tiki creates it (upon the first discussion)...	[18:58]
Paragtim	Yep that sounds right	[18:58]
ricks99_	would be a nice enhancment.. not sure of a way to "hack" it with current tiki. :(	[18:58]
Paragtim	Always the trouble maker. Give me a couple of months practising and maybe I could help with the enchancement	[19:00]
ricks99_	:)	[19:00]
Paragtim	I'll be back soon - Time for a little more configuration on the side and to document the changes before I forget - thanks again	[19:02]
ricks99_	np.	[19:02]
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Paragtim	Hi rick. Sorry to be back so fast. "show category objects" disabled works and solves the problem of the data being display at the bottom of each page, but it has broken the approval process. When I enable show agian the approval process comes back. Any ideas?	[19:21]
ricks99_	u mean the "page staging & approval feature"? sounds like a bug? u didnt disable the whole category feature, right? just turned off the 'show category objects' option?	[19:23]
Paragtim	Do you know of any workarounds. Enabling the feature for moderators and admins would work but I can't find a reference to "feature_categoryobjects" No just unchecked show categories as you suggested	[19:25]
ricks99_	might be easiest to: 1. turn "on" the "show category objects" feature (so that your staging process works) 2. manually edit the show_page.tpl template and simply remove the section that actually shows the category objects would work and be low-risk	[19:27]
Paragtim	Ah - A code hack. I will try it and let you know, or come back if it bites me in the butt	[19:29]
ricks99_	should b very easy. look in tiki-show_page.tpl....	[19:30]
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ricks99_	i think it is a single variable, something like {$display_category_objects}... just remove it (or comment it out)	[19:31]
Paragtim	any ideas where to look?	[19:32]
ricks99_	what tiki version are u using?	[19:33]
Paragtim	1.10	[19:33]
ricks99_	look at the {IF} block ~ line 322	[19:34]
Paragtim	Is is tiki-show_page.tpl. If so I got it	[19:34]
ricks99_	{$display_catobjects} yup	[19:34]
Paragtim	What is the comment tag to tpl file /vvvvvv/ ?	[19:39]
ricks99_	{* foo *}	[19:40]
Paragtim	Thanks	[19:40]
ricks99_	np	[19:41]
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Paragtim	Rick - Edit Done, File uploaded and site tested and documentation recorded. Works a treat. Thanks a lot	[19:50]
ricks99_	woo-hoo.	[19:50]
ohertel	ohertel kicks postfix in the shins... grrrrr It just refuses to send out mails. :-(	[19:52]
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GillesM	oups	[19:59]
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brian___	I hope that it is OK to ask for some help here. I am a very new TikiWiki user and I have two questions. Firstly, how do you get the little 'external link' icon to show after your external links? And secondly, I've created an RSS feed (a feed _from_ my wiki) and the RSS icon for people to subscribe to that feed has appeared at the very bottom of the page. Is it possible to put the icon... ...into a menu on the left hand side?	[20:06]
ricks99_	for #1, eanble the "user exterenal link icon" in the admin: wiki page... for #2, use the "rsslist" module	[20:11]
brian___	cool thanks for the quick reply bye	[20:13]
ricks99_	np	[20:13]
franck	I did a few fixes on the wikiplugins help text some wikiwords were inserted	[20:16]
caralluna	I came across something a bit disturbing today ... I was editing a longish blogpost, so I saved it and made it private. While it still was private it shows up on the listing of the "most popular tags" when I click on the relevant tags. It also shows up if I access the site using tiki-mobile. Has the security check here been deliberately left out for some reason or is it a bug? btw, 2.0 svn	[20:22]
sylvieg	franck: no need to commit on 1.10 it is dead ... and think it will be lost	[20:26]
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franck	sylvieg: oh where should I commit to? I need to check in a new svn branch?	[20:30]
sylvieg	for these kinds of fix - as it change the translation - trunk see instruction on devel list to switch to another branch	[20:30]
franck	sylvieg: I tried to avoid the translation change...	[20:30]
sylvieg	sorry - was not klooking enough but I do not think somebody plan to merge 1.10 to trunk do a svn switch https://....trunk	[20:31]
franck	well I don't want to go in trunk yet, want to fix 2.0	[20:32]
sylvieg	so svn https:...2/0	[20:32]
brian___	Sorry - another question (I have been able to turn the icon on and add the rsslist module ok - thankyou) - in the rsslist module, I have the one rss feed that people can subscribe to. It's called "Wiki" - Is it possible to change this name? (TikiWiki 1.9.11)	[20:32]
sylvieg	so svn switch ... but you need to read the rules somewhere on dev before committing	[20:32]
lphuberdeau	oh btw... sorry about my weird commits today writing scripts to handle branching/merging for the new release cycle and I have to commit junk	[20:39]
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sylvieg	the experimental ones? I suppose you needed it...	[20:40]
lphuberdeau	will clean up svn afterwards good job on the house marc	[20:40]
ricks99_	01,00@brian___: it is hardcoded. u can modify it by editing templates/modules/mod-rsslists.tpl01,99	[20:43]
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brian___	thanks - I'll make a note of this (as this is my first go with tikiwiki, I won't custom edit just yet as it can be a struggle when upgrading and I don't know if I'll be throwing this wiki away and starting again when I've got more experience)	[20:45]
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franck	http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseProcess2_0 <--- bug linked from http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php	[20:46]
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nkoth3	lphuberdeau: i see you are in the svntips page. I was just there just now.... maybe you can add a few more tips now that you are in it.	[20:53]
lphuberdeau	yes, doing that right now documenting the new scripts in fact	[20:57]
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nkoth3	franck: thanks	[21:05]
lphuberdeau	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=SVNTips#Handling_branches	[21:05]
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lphuberdeau	I can probably add more svntips, but I need to know what you want them about	[21:42]
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mstef	lphuberdeau: thanks very nice tips!	[22:10]
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ohertel	yay, got postfix running finally. .P It's just beat it as long with a hammer till it fits in. .P I banged a lot! and it even blocks all kind of borked mail, known spammer domains, uses spamassassin and more. :D and tw.o is sending out mail again too. There were like 30 then didnt get out (from watches etc.)	[22:20]
amette	congrats ohertel :)	[22:29]
ohertel	I almost went nuts over that. .P postfix refused to send out mail... mail has to come from the local system. OR you must have authenticated securely.	[22:29]
amette	hehehe, I belive that instantly - wanna hear my my migration story from a DMZ-postfix-relay/sendmail/prelude/years-old-misconfiguration to a single postfix-server story? ;P hmm, yeah - those were one of the smaller problems for me ,)	[22:30]
ohertel	That's what I added at last. sasl / tsl when accessing via pop3.	[22:31]
amette	yup, actually that is very smart of postfix - you can circumvent it, but that opens your server up for spammers and therefore you will soon be blacklisted... ;)	[22:31]
ohertel	if didnt find /etc/sasldb2 all the time... at some time you find out postfix chroots into another directory. .P	[22:31]
amette	yes, that is veeeery tricky indeed :-/	[22:32]
ohertel	so you have to move that /etc/ in there. .P and more like that...	[22:32]
amette	yep, that chrooting even is only the beginning, if you are going to run other services like sieve or some web-login to the same password-database...	[22:32]
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ohertel	Is there some kind of whitelist file for postfix? Where I can add all email addresses I accept from incoming?	[22:33]
amette	... as you'll eventually run into incompatibilities of different password-hashes... :-/ yeah, you can white- and/or blacklist iirc if it's not in postfix, then it's not too hard to do it with some transfer-hooks and a simple script...	[22:33]
ohertel	I have canonical, verify, relocated, all empty files yet.	[22:33]
amette	... but I'm no fan of whitelisting actually - you will miss some mails in the end, when going that way...	[22:34]
ohertel	miss?	[22:35]
amette	... then rather blacklist and filter well (although one has to put filters very tight nowadays - and that's a risk of false positives also - still much better than whitelisting only imho)	[22:35]
ohertel	No, I fear that i miss some mails now, because they got rejected somehow. .P	[22:35]
amette	miss like "not receive some good ones" - false positives heh - ah, ok :P well, if that is the case...	[22:35]
ohertel	No I mean whitelist before any other rules apply.	[22:35]
amette	then it depends completely on your setup... :P	[22:35]
ohertel	Like "let THOSE in always"	[22:35]
amette	yup	[22:35]
ohertel	Not a "whitelisted only" rule.	[22:36]
amette	do you use amavis-new or such?	[22:36]
ohertel	no	[22:36]
amette	you can configure it in amavis directly ah, ok... ... so how do you include your filters?	[22:36]
ohertel	What's amavis? ,)	[22:36]
amette	through mail-transports? hehe - amavis is like the "central point of mail filtering on the final destination"	[22:36]
ohertel	No, I have tons of rules in postfix...	[22:37]
amette	it can handle Spamassassin, does some stuff itself, handles virus-scanners, etc., etc....	[22:37]
ohertel	reject_some_stuff_* and rbls like zen.spamhouse.org etc.	[22:37]
amette	hmmm.... ok, I use that for only a little stuff... apart from that amavis is very nice as it ties everything into one location...	[22:37]
ohertel	and checking against borked headers, missing domains etc.etc. .)	[22:37]
amette	you can still leave those in postfix and then set up an amavis transport - but whitelisting in amavis will then be pretty useless... ... not totally sure about total whitelisting in postfix now... ... really depends on your postfix config... ... if you really want to handle everything in postfix - then I think I'd set up a local transport with a script that checks again a whitelist and then circumvents the rest of your transports...	[22:38]
ohertel	btw. I tested the rescue system yesterday...	[22:40]
amette	... if you do everything inside main.cf before you reach any transport - then you lost anyways already! ;)	[22:40]
mstef	hey, when i try to tag a blogpost, i get an empty page stating: "safe_tag argument missing", can anyone pls confirm? i am using rc2	[22:40]
Sug4r`	Yes!	[22:40]
amette	ah, cool! And? does it work well? :)	[22:40]
ohertel	works. :) You log into a mini linux from net and then mount your stuff and work on it... :)	[22:40]
amette	grat eeehm - great ;)	[22:40]
lphuberdeau	wow.. we never hear about blogs and ever since RCs, people started using them	[22:40]
ohertel	via webpage you first activate rescue, then within the next 5 minutes you have to reboot. from the machine or via webpage too. then it reboots from net.	[22:41]
amette	great - and the mini-linux is 64bit also? what's all in there? more than busybox? it is a complete system?	[22:41]
ohertel	and next reboot it is back to the original system you choose if to go to rescue 32 or 64 bit. :)	[22:41]
mstef	lphuberdeau: pardon?	[22:41]
amette	ok, great - that sounds like the server4you system, which is good, but I lacked 64bit support there when testing their servers for one month :-/ ohertel: awesome - very cool! :) that sounds like a really nicely flexible rescue system! :)	[22:41]
ohertel	And reboot works quite fast. within 5 minutes. was lots slower at server4you...	[22:42]
lphuberdeau	mstef, just last week we were asking ourselves if anyone used the blog feature... seems like there are	[22:42]
amette	lphuberdeau: I'm bloggin' in Tiki since ages... ;)	[22:42]
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mstef	lphuberdeau: i am using it in two sites	[22:43]
amette	... and I'm happy too to see that people use them - but on the other hand: we can't really go breaking them as we like! ;) ( but on the third hand: there's not much to make worse by breaking them :P )	[22:43]
mstef	mstef agrees is there a way to display ...page...-ed posts in one page? e.g.	[22:43]
amette	mstef: I thought there was... but if you can't make it happen - then there most probably isn't..	[22:44]
mstef	lphuberdeau: can you confirm my experience with freetags and blogs?	[22:45]
amette	mstef: if it works, it's nothing fancy - either it works by using wiki-syntax or not - so no special trick or so	[22:45]
lphuberdeau	not really, I don't use those features	[22:45]
mstef	amette: thanks	[22:46]
amette	np	[22:46]
ohertel	amette: Looks like I dont get any mail more at all, but it is just that most of the stuff is blocked now.. all the spam ,)	[22:46]
mstef	amette: i will check it lphuberdeau: thanks also ;)	[22:46]
amette	ohertel: that sounds like some effective spam-filter ;)	[22:46]
ohertel	spam assassin is in too... so what comes through is often marked as spam too and moved to /spam. .P so I really get only a few mails now... ...staying in the inbox, i mean. ,)	[22:47]
amette	I use spamassassin to tag them and then sieve to filter them into .INBOX/Spam ...	[22:48]
mstef	lphuberdeau: i am using tiki for bloggin for about a year. i really dig it, that it supports wysiwyg editing, that makes it attractive also to my coworkers.	[22:48]
ohertel	yes, that I do too.	[22:48]
amette	... and if I get bored of it (which I am, but I hate false positives, so I rather have a couple of spams a day) I can filter more tightly for X-SPAM-Level ok, cool :)	[22:48]
ohertel	Stuff like jstokxfb@readonly.de is blocked right at the port now... .D where my domain is used with an unknown user in front...	[22:49]
amette	yup, that's nice :) do you bounce them or just not deliver?	[22:49]
ohertel	Someone even tried to use the domain in front. .) belanglos@belanglos.de	[22:49]
amette	heheheh ;)	[22:49]
ohertel	I think the sender gets a 'reject' <-- bed	[22:50]
amette	ok, not sure which one is better right now - but if the sender gets some "nope, not here" of any kind, it's always better then just silently ignoring them	[22:51]
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amette	yup, sleep well, ohertel :)	[22:51]
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mstef	bye mstef is leaving to	[23:14]
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nkoth3	is there a tracker plugin that allows attaching files?	[23:28]
marclaporte	Sylvie would know	[23:39]
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