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[01:20] <kerrnel> Hrm...I could have sworn I made a 1.10 version of the slvn_new module.  Did it not make it into the 2.0 package?
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[01:51] <chibaguy1> kerrnel, are you on the dev mailing list?
[01:53] <kerrnel> yeah, don't have ready access to it at the moment though
[01:53] <kerrnel> Will when I get home
[01:53] <kerrnel> I noticed there are problems with the phplayers menus not dropping down and I recall some posts about phplayers recently, so will have to do some reading.
[01:54] <kerrnel> Also need to find a decent theme
[01:54] <chibaguy1> Just wondering because I recall some talk about a commit you made that had a security problem and so maybe was rolled back. Don't know if this is related to your quesation about slvn_new module.
[01:54] <kerrnel> Oh
[01:54] <kerrnel> that was the reporting for the trackers
[01:55] <kerrnel> Which I intend to fix and integrate with some of the cool features that were added in 2.0.  
[01:56] <kerrnel> First i need to understand some of the 2.0 core changes and quirks.  Looks like a substantial amount has changed from a few months ago when I did the slvn changes, so need to get that stuff sorted out
[01:56] <kerrnel> You work on the upgrade script?
[01:57] <chibaguy1> No.
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[01:58] <kerrnel> ok, I'll send an email out then this weekend.  it worked great, but I have a couple of recommendations
[01:59] <kerrnel> have a good one, heading home!
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[02:11] <icltlfatppl> Thanks Darkbee and SEWilco2
[02:12] <icltlfatppl> I'm looking into phplayers menu as a solution
[02:24] <chibaguy> icltlfatppl, phplayers menu doesn't create a structure, it only takes a menu made on the Admin Menus page and makes a dropdown-style menu from the links.
[02:24] <chibaguy> You still need to figure out the links in advance for it to work with.
[03:01] <chibaguy> Another reason to love IE6: In thenews.css, the "Top Pages" module (an ordered list) lists every item as "1." -- in other themes the list is normal 1. -> 10.
[03:15] <chibaguy> Previewing top image galleries module, I get this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined method TikiLib::list_visible_galleries() in mytikiroot./modules/mod-top_image_galleries.php on line 9. This is Tiki 2.0rc2.
[03:23] <chibaguy> Ah, how to make all ol li's be "1." in IE6: set li height to 1%. Height of text etc doesn't change, but li count stays at 1. :-)
[03:25] <franck> Hi
[03:25] <franck> why the mods.tw.o is old?
[03:25] <franck> I did a few fixes and I don't see them, for instance dopplr and flowplayer
[03:26] <franck> they were in the old mods.tw.o
[03:37] <chibaguy> franck, I guess the mods.tw.o plugins info is the same as here: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/
[03:37] <chibaguy> I see your changes in the cvs viewer: http://tikiwiki.cvs.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/_mods/wiki-plugins/flowplayer/flowplayer/
[03:37] <chibaguy> but not in svn. Maybe they got left behind in the switch to svn.
[03:38] <chibaguy> So maybe should be svn commited again.
[03:43] <franck> grrrrrr.....
[03:44] <franck> ok will do it but later...
[04:02] <franck> chibaguy: the mods have their own directory now in the svn? or they are part of main trunk?
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[04:12] <chibaguy> They have their own directory. see http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/
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[04:44] <chibaguy> The popup image window (launched from clicking popup icon of an image on tiki-browse_image.php) doesn't seem to work in IE6.
[04:44] <chibaguy> (2.0rc2)
[04:45] <chibaguy> No error but no popup.
[05:30] <luciash> chibaguy: hm, it worked here yesterday on B20
[05:46] <luciash> chibaguy: it works in current B20 here too
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[06:07] <chibaguy> ok, maybe my update is incomplete somehow.
[06:15] <chibaguy> Hmm, Tiki2.0rc2 is installed at one site, and branch20 svn (a few days old) at the other, and the popup doesn't work in either in ie6 (tiki-browse_image.php's popup icon).
[06:16] <chibaguy> But I'll check my file versions....
[06:17] <luciash> check your IE6 settings if it allows popup windows ?
[06:18] <luciash> it works here in my IE6 but maaybe it's somewhat "better" as it is under WINE (ies4linux :-p)
[06:25] <chibaguy> Oh, I'm not getting popups on popup test sites either. :-) 
[06:26] <chibaguy> so I guess it's my ie6 setting...
[06:29] <luciash> yeah :)
[06:30] <luciash> tricky, isn't it ? :-p
[06:31] <chibaguy> Yep. Another puzzle today is why tiki-admin.php?page=general has a scrollbar in Feb12 theme but not in others. I can't isolate the cause.
[06:34] <chibaguy> Seems to be something inside .cbox  form  table.admin ....
[06:35] <luciash> is FEb12 on SVN ?
[06:35] <chibaguy> Yes, it's in branch20.
[06:37] <luciash> lemme quickly have a look
[06:39] <luciash> hrm, i have no horiz scrollbar there in FF3
[06:39] <luciash> or you still talkin' bout IE6 ?
[06:40] <chibaguy> No, all my browsers....
[06:40] <chibaguy> FF2, IE6,7, Opera9.5
[06:41] <chibaguy> If I make the table td's display:none the scrollbar goes away.
[06:41] <luciash> goddamnit IE6 has no horiz scrollbar either :-p
[06:41] <chibaguy> heh
[06:41] <luciash> maybe you're talking to me from a parralel dimension, gary ? ;)
[06:41] <chibaguy> I'll try again with a fresh file from svn, maybe mine is messed up already.
[06:41] <luciash> :D
[06:42] <chibaguy> yeah, I think a parallele dimension with scrollbars... ;-)
[06:45] <chibaguy> Hmm, just got a new feb12.css from svn and uploaded to my server, and I get the scrollbar still. (1024px wide display).
[06:47] <luciash> ah, yep, when i down-size to 1024 i get the scrollbar now
[06:47] <luciash> must be some table width
[06:48] <chibaguy> table.admin is 100%.
[06:48] <luciash> ah i know what it is
[06:48] <luciash> the Default Timezone select
[06:50] <chibaguy> I saw that thing is wide, but didn't see how its width is set.
[06:50] <luciash> it expands by the content of options and font size if width is not set
[06:51] <luciash> might be the other themes has smaller font set in CSS
[06:51] <luciash> if they don't specify the width for that input field
[06:51] <luciash> *select field
[06:52] <chibaguy> You're a genius -- I set select#general-timezone { width: 200px } and scrollbar is gone... :-)
[06:54] <luciash> yep, i recommend to add it in transitional css
[06:56] <luciash> and i'm no genius, just experienced ;)
[06:57] <chibaguy> I don't know if my brain cells are learning or dying from exhaustion. ;-)
[06:58] <luciash> LOL, same here ;)
[06:58] <luciash> but usually i forget more important stuff than this :-p
[07:00] <chibaguy> Yep, things that really matter, like stuff your wife tells you...
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[07:04] <luciash> exactly :-)
[07:05] <luciash> is it OK to display "Permission denied" in theme switcher module when admin ?
[07:06] <luciash> i don't have the feature enabled i think but the message should't be like this then, don't you think ?
[07:07] <chibaguy> No, that's strange, and I also experienced that.
[07:08] <luciash> that's after default profile installation, and yup, it's confusing at least
[07:08] <luciash> also i get "This feature is disabled: feature_multilingual " when i try to switch language using the lang switch module :-/
[07:09] <chibaguy> On my xp laptop I have two tiki installs pointing to the same db (trunk and a trunk with files in progress). When I connect with the second install, I have all admin perms, etc but I still see that message.
[07:09] <chibaguy> (but I think I have cookie problems with these two installations)
[07:10] <luciash> to "fix" it you have to go to Admin → Login and change the checkbox "Reg users can change theme"
[07:10] <luciash> also this is confusing because afaik not only registered users can change theme
[07:10] <luciash> you can give the perm to anonymous too
[07:11] <luciash> same for language
[07:11] <chibaguy> Hmm, should be "Users can change theme." I suppose.
[07:13] <luciash> yep, i think so too
[07:13] * luciash wishes his thinks would become fixes immediatelly ;)
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[07:16] <luciash> gotta work now, later !
[07:16] <chibaguy> Here's another puzzle: in Feb12 theme in IE7, on tiki-admin.php, the icons (boxes) overlap col3...
[07:16] <chibaguy> oh, ok, have a good day.
[07:16] <luciash> :-p
[07:17] <luciash> i'll look at it later chibaguy ;)
[07:17] <luciash> chibaguy: just remind me ;)
[07:17] <chibaguy> Ok, maybe you'll have your wish by then. :-)
[07:18] <luciash> kewl :)
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[07:34] <chibaguy> tiki-admin.php's "More links" (page bottom) doesn't work as designed in IE7. In Tikineat the links display always; in other themes clicking "More links" doesn't display the links at all.
[07:35] <chibaguy> (Tiki 2.0rc2)
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[07:38] <chibaguy> On the bright side, every second click returns you to the top of the page so you can get back to the menu. ;-)
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[08:00] <nyloth> Hi all :)
[08:00] <nyloth> chibaguy: around ?
[08:01] <chibaguy> hey nyloth
[08:01] <nyloth> hi :)
[08:02] <nyloth> I'm a bit worried with your last commit on branches/2.0 :/
[08:02] <chibaguy> Oh, what is the problem?
[08:04] <chibaguy> Many of the changes were due to problems in IE6 and IE7 that weren't noticed or fixed before.
[08:06] <nyloth> Well, ok, but it should not be commited to 2.0 according to http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit
[08:08] <nyloth> Btw, I also wanted to discuss about something else in your recent commits : what's the purpose of "Jump to Content" links in trunk ?
[08:08] <chibaguy> Ah, I see. I guess I considered it a bug if there is a significant display problem. But it's subjective.
[08:09] <chibaguy> The jump to content links are for accessiblity in screen readers, etc.
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[08:13] <nyloth> Well, I think this is not really important to rollback right now, but I think we should agree to not commit next css fixes on 2.0 (except if the feature is really broken due to this)
[08:13] <mattbmc> polom!
[08:13] <nyloth> hi
[08:14] <nyloth> for the Jump, ok, but I have some comments about the way it has been done
[08:14] <chibaguy> OK, nyloth, I understand.
[08:14] <mattbmc> wondering if I've lost a Wiki page permanently....it was the "root" of its Structure...I renamed it, and somehow in the process one of the six sub-pages (the only one with content) was deleted.
[08:15] <chibaguy> About the Jump, I used some examples that I had found as a model, but no doubt the way it is done can be improved.
[08:15] <mattbmc> The one that appears to have been deleted was the 3rd page in the structure, fwiw.
[08:15] <nyloth> well, first of all, don't take my comments personnaly, I like your job as a whole, there is just some bad effects that should be handled differently...
[08:15] <chibaguy> sure
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[08:16] <mattbmc> (this may be my first experience of losing data in Tiki that wasn't my own fault...at least not 100% my fault ;-) )
[08:16] <nyloth> What I want to complain about is not really the way the links are made, but more about the upgrade of existing themes (we have one, here, which is now completely broken)
[08:16] <chibaguy> A theme is broken?
[08:17] <nyloth> Yes, for example, "Jump to Content" breaks installer of 3.0 (it is shown at the top), it also breaks other home-made themes, etc.
[08:17] <nyloth> This is not a huge problem, but the CSS styles that handle it should have been put in transition style too (or inline)
[08:18] <chibaguy> Good point.
[08:18] <chibaguy> My view is sometimes too narrow.
[08:19] <nyloth> For something like this, that should not be shown , I would even prefer some inline style, hardcoded, because noone wants to show them, I presume... but this is your choice (just worried about the installer that has no transition style)
[08:20] <nyloth> I want to go further about new changes on 3.0... 
[08:21] <chibaguy> My preference is to avoid inline style as much as possible. So this would mean making sure new css is in transitions, etc.
[08:21] * luciash just passing by ;)
[08:21] <nyloth> chibaguy: Yes, as you, I usually don't like inline style 
[08:21] <nyloth> hi luci
[08:21] <nyloth> chibaguy: as you wish, then :)
[08:22] <chibaguy> nyloth, what matters most is to have the best result for the most users, so whatever works for that purpose is good in my view.
[08:22] <nyloth> about 3.0 themes, I want to urge you to avoid templates forking for the official themes
[08:22] <nyloth> ok :)
[08:23] <luciash> hi nyloth, first i wouldn't say it "breaks" but just it "appears", second using inline hardcoded style is tricky and annoys many ppl ;)
[08:23] <chibaguy> Well, I think we need one *litecss-type tiki.tpl and one table-using tiki.tpl as basic models.
[08:24] <luciash> chibaguy: i'd prefer only one
[08:24] <nyloth> about forking (overriding specific templates for some theme), yes, sure, we need one for table/table-less difference.... but I just want to ask avoiding this thing for other purposes.... since it's a pain to maintain
[08:24] <chibaguy> well, luciash, so do I but I think this limits the design possibilities for Tiki, considering ie7's lack of support, etc.
[08:25] <luciash> chibaguy: if necessary lets make a pref and put it in the tiki.tpl
[08:25] <chibaguy> a pref?
[08:25] <nyloth> luciash: when I say 'it breaks', it's because our theme is really broken now... but this is not only due to Jump links, it's also due to templates changes in 3.0
[08:26] <nyloth> yes I prefer a preference that will use tables or not in the same native template, instead of forked ones
[08:26] <chibaguy> hmm, interesting idea. 
[08:26] <nyloth> can you handle this task, luci ?
[08:27] <luciash> chibaguy: in Admin → Look & Feel something like "Use Internet Explorer workarounds" and "Use table as a wrapper for Theme layout"
[08:27] <chibaguy> But it seems it may be like combining an exoskeleton and inside bones in one creature.
[08:27] <nyloth> chibaguy: I like your comparison, yes :)
[08:27] <chibaguy> Well, something to think about.
[08:28] <nyloth> chibaguy: but for me it will only be the case during a certain time of transition
[08:28] <chibaguy> Actually I once tried using conditional comments to insert a table for ie7,.
[08:28] <chibaguy> time for me to go now. I'll be back in a few hours..
[08:29] <nyloth> chibaguy: wait, just a minute more if you can ;)
[08:29] <luciash> i think this would be best solution to have these prefs enabled by default and if an advanced admin prefers "pure css" layouts without these workarounds lets them to switch them off
[08:30] <nyloth> chibaguy: Since tikinewt will probably replace tikineat as the default theme for 3.0, I have also some comments about weird things in tikinewt :
[08:30] <nyloth> chibaguy: In tikinewt, the tiki logo is above the div that contains the search. I prefer tikineat with all at the same level.
[08:30] <chibaguy> The problem is what if a site wants to use a mix of theme types?
[08:31] <nyloth> Well, we could add a comment in theme files that is read by php to auto-detect if it needs tables or not (to enable or disable the feature automatically)
[08:31] <nyloth> chibaguy: again, about tikinewt : some input text of modules like "Create/Edit new wiki page" is larger than the right/left column width,
[08:31] <luciash> chibaguy: does the order of columns change in source code for table supported themes ?
[08:32] <nyloth> chibaguy: and I also noted that phplayers menu does not fill the width of the right/left column
[08:32] <chibaguy> nyloth, part of my last commit was to improve tikinewt font sizes, etc. 
[08:32] <luciash> nyloth: is it tikinewt or thenews ?
[08:33] <luciash> for 3.0 i hope wee'll have something else than tikinewt
[08:33] <nyloth> chibaguy: ok, but those problems I mentionned are still not fixed if I'm not wrong
[08:33] <nyloth> luciash: tikinewt
[08:33] <chibaguy> table supported themes are left col, middle col, right col.
[08:33] <chibaguy> OK, I'll check again.
[08:33] <nyloth> luciash: ok, if we have something else than tikinewt, ok, but for the moment tikineat seems the only one that is "stable" enough :/
[08:35] <nyloth> chibaguy: thx
[08:35] <chibaguy> I guess I need to know specifically the problems with tikinewt; maybe you could email to me, nyloth?
[08:35] <chibaguy> Or anyway some way to know specifically.
[08:35] <luciash> chibaguy: ah :( well, then best would be to list them all found in styles/ and put a checkbox next to them indicating which needs it and which not and when custom theme appears let the admin to indicate it too if it will be missing from CSS file comment
[08:35] <nyloth> chibaguy: yes, I'll send you a mail then
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[08:35] <chibaguy> ok, bye for now.
[08:36] <luciash> bye, i have to work too
[08:36] <nyloth> bye :)
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[08:36] <nyloth> I have to go too.. by
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[09:01] <mattbmc> Alright, more oddities...reonstructing the page I lost (mentioned earlier) I seem to be hitting a bug or something buglike....the content of the wiki page is just a large, simple table (an HTML report from WinMerge if you've seen that).  I've stripped down its code to just the <table> tag and everything within that, but I still get a blank screen a few seconds after I click Save.   (And the new changes are not saved.)
[09:01] <mattbmc> Any thoughts on what my be going on?
[09:04] <mattbmc> (Oh...also there didn't seem to be any issue when I initially saved that page..only issue is with subsequent saves.)
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[09:14] <nyloth> back
[09:15] <nyloth> Sadly, I will have to rollback chibaguy's changes on branches/2.0 since it clearely breaks tikinewt forums display. Luci, can you confirm ?
[09:19] <nyloth> well, for IE6 it's acceptable, but broken on at least FF3 and IE7
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[10:03] <Paragtim_> Hi guys.  I need some help changing the main login screen.  In simple terms I would like to put the login box in the right hand side of a 2 column table and some site info in the left hand side.  Any ideas on how to do this?
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[11:17] <sylvieg> Paragtim_: in the middle column? in this case use a wiki table and call the login wiht the MODULE plugin
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[12:41] <sylvieg> is image insertion working for somebody in wysiwyg in trunk?
[12:51] <tomb__> nope for me 
[12:53] <lphuberdeau> wysiwyg? tiki has wysiwyg? ;)
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[13:16] <sylvieg> this is strange the same img code {img} in non wysiwyg page is working but is not working in a wysiwyg page
[13:17] <sylvieg> tomb_: I thought it was a path problem?
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[13:19] <nyloth> sylvieg: hi
[13:20] <sylvieg> hello nyloth
[13:20] <nyloth> sylvieg: tiki images in wysiwyg works fine here
[13:20] <sylvieg> when picking in the fgal?
[13:20] <nyloth> sylvieg: yes, sure, I only use this
[13:20] <sylvieg> absolute url are fine but locally
[13:21] <nyloth> sylvieg: at what step do you have a problem ? relative urls are used intensively here
[13:21] <nyloth> (using filegals_manager only, here)
[13:22] <nyloth> sylvieg: try to empty your browser cache + smarty cache, or maybe try to see if you have the problem with a fresh install
[13:22] <sylvieg> tomb too has the problem
[13:22] <sylvieg> ok will try
[13:23] <nyloth> could you describe the problem more precisely... or maybe give me an access somewhere I can reproduce it
[13:25] <sylvieg> a 2.0 works but not a trunk ... the choice is fgal is only trunk?
[13:25] <tomb__> problem happens when using php fck browser connector 
[13:26] <tomb__> path to get the images is wrong 
[13:26] <nyloth> sylvieg: what do you mean by "choice is fgal" ?
[13:27] <nyloth> tomb__: hi, what path do you get, and what path do you expect to have ?
[13:27] <nyloth> tomb__: I'm using fckeditor with filgals_manager and everything is ok
[13:27] <sylvieg> in 2.0 browse server gives me the fck browse files
[13:28] <sylvieg> in trunk I have the fgal pannel...
[13:28] <tomb__> i have a path like /home/tikiwiki/tikiwiki/img/wiki_up/image/ instead of home/tikiwiki/img/wiki_up/image/ 
[13:28] <nyloth> sylvieg: yes, sure, filegals_manager is enabled by default on trunk
[13:28] <sylvieg> ah ok
[13:28] <tomb__> nyloth: same error with or without multitiki config 
[13:28] <nyloth> tomb__: then you probably don't use filegal_manager, it does not use wiki_up
[13:29] <tomb__> no i don't 
[13:29] <nyloth> tomb__: ok, so it's not the same problem as sylvie
[13:29] <tomb__> same effect but differents problem :)
[13:30] <nyloth> tomb__: not sure it's a path problem for sylvie
[13:30] <nyloth> sylvieg: what's the problem exactly ?
[13:30] <sylvieg> not sure - I am not so advanced in testing tom is
[13:30] <sylvieg> I can not insert image from the fgal
[13:30] <nyloth> you are not testing the same feature...
[13:30] <tomb__> sure 
[13:31] <sylvieg> ? we are both on fck
[13:31] <nyloth> sylvieg: well, this is ok, but there is multiple step to include from filegal_manager ... so on which step do you have a problem, and which problem (an error ? permission denied ? white page ? ... ?)
[13:32] <tomb__> my pb is there for at least 7 month now , was on 1.10cvs now on 1.2x-svn 
[13:32] <nyloth> sylvieg: yes, but you are trying to use filegal_manager plugin, and tomb is using the classical way
[13:32] <nyloth> so, it confirms it's not the same problem
[13:32] <nyloth> sylvie's problem seems only on trunk
[13:32] <tomb__> as far as i have followed my pb , it's a problem of $tikipath 
[13:33] <nyloth> tomb__: yes, I see, and your problem may even be fixed in trunk, since there was some path fixes, even for tikipath
[13:34] <tomb__> that's an answer i like ;)
[13:35] <nyloth> :)
[13:35] <tomb__> nyloth: trunk is tiki 3.x ? 
[13:35] <nyloth> tomb__: yes
[13:35] <nyloth> tomb__: not sure your specific problem is gone, but you may at least try it
[13:36] <nyloth> tomb__: try a fresh install to be sure
[13:36] <tomb__> ok will try that 
[13:36] <nyloth> tomb__: it's possible that a fresh install of tiki 2.0 SVN (upcoming RC3) may solve your problems too... there was also some fixes of this kind (but less)
[13:37] <nyloth> those fixes were not already in 2.0 RC2...
[13:37] <nyloth> sylvieg: so ? :)
[13:37] <tomb__> nyloth: i've done that already without any success 
[13:39] <lphuberdeau> want RC3 now?
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[13:54] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: I prefer to wait until monday if possible, because there is some commits of chibaguy that may have broken things... I need to check this more in details
[13:54] <lphuberdeau> ok
[13:54] <nyloth> thx
[13:54] <nyloth> sylvieg: about your last commit of icon... why not using theme icon system ?
[13:57] <sylvieg> sorry waas on the phone
[13:57] <sylvieg> I desactivated fgal_manager - was back to the 2.0 stuff but now I have an error lib/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/connectors/php/config.php - you do not have perm to access - strange ... I will test on a fresh install
[13:58] <sylvieg> for the icon - Yes I agree completly
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[13:58] <chibaguy> hi all
[13:58] <chibaguy> nyloth, I saw your email. I'm curious how your site was broken.
[13:59] <chibaguy> As my screenshot shows, it's ok for my test sites.
[14:00] <nyloth> chibaguy: I need to make a screenshot :)
[14:00] <nyloth> chibaguy: but, in fact, I have the problem with a quite fresh install
[14:01] <nyloth> chibaguy: did you test on a fresh install of 2.0 SVN ?
[14:01] <chibaguy> Um, most of my testing was with 2.0rc2
[14:01] <chibaguy> I'll do an svn update.
[14:01] <nyloth> chibaguy: thanx :)
[14:02] <nyloth> sylvieg: ok, because it's better to use themes icons. This way we will also be able to identify which icons could be deleted when deleted the associated themes...
[14:02] <chibaguy> So maybe some commit since rc2 has changed how the css works?
[14:02] <sylvieg> yes I know - but it is not me that put this icon...
[14:03] <chibaguy> Some 'bug fix'?
[14:03] <nyloth> sylvieg: about your perm problem... is it a filesystem perm problem ? It can be a .htaccess problem in fact
[14:03] <nyloth> chibaguy: there was not many things since rc2, but maybe
[14:04] <nyloth> chibaguy: I'll do a fresh install right now too, to be sure it's not me :p
[14:05] <chibaguy> :-)
[14:05] <nyloth> sylvieg: ok then, I thought it was you :)
[14:06] <nyloth> sylvieg: if possible, try to move all your .htaccess into _htaccess (desactivate them), to check how it works.... and to confirm it's an htaccess problem
[14:09] <nyloth> chibaguy: about my other comments related to tikinewt... I didn't find the time to send you some screenshots, but since you are here : did you saw what I meant about the logo that is now completely above the box that includes the search ?
[14:09] <nyloth> in tikineat, it's on the same level
[14:10] <chibaguy> Yes, in tikinewt, the search is in the same level as the menu.
[14:10] <chibaguy> This is because the logo shares its space with a possible banner ad.
[14:10] <sylvieg> for the icon : is a graphic guy able to do a nice png icon for garbage - the famfam has imho no good icon for this function
[14:10] <nyloth> ah ok... hmmm... 
[14:11] <chibaguy> Actually I started from themes that have a limited space for the page top, such as Andreas09 and Kubrick.
[14:11] <chibaguy> Things can't just be stacked vertically because there is a height limit.
[14:12] <chibaguy> Of course for tikineat/tikinewt, that doesn't matter as there is no real "top" to the page, but for consistency, it's the same code as for constrained themes.
[14:12] <chibaguy> Of course the position could be a config option. ;-)
[14:13] <nyloth> chibaguy: yes, I understand, but for a fresh new install, it does not look nice, IMHO. Don't you think so ? Do you have an idea for a solution ?
[14:13] <nyloth> chibaguy: btw, it does not display the same in FF3, in IE6 and in IE7
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[14:13] <nyloth> chibaguy: in IE6, logo and seach are on the same line
[14:15] <chibaguy> Hmm, that is strange. logo has a parent div that is full width, followed by full width div that contains menu and search. If ie6 shows them in the same line, then there is a mistake in the code.
[14:16] <chibaguy> I didn't notice, but this is maybe due to the options I had set for Look & Feel.
[14:16] <chibaguy> I'll have to check the appearance in a new install.
[14:16] <chibaguy> I thought I had covered all the L&F option combinations, but maybe not....
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[14:30] <lphuberdeau> sylvieg: marc told me you may have a list of the data folders in tiki 1.9 that need preserving when migrating to 2.0
[14:31] <sylvieg> ?? you mean the list of directories you have to save that is displays in tiki-admin_system.php?
[14:31] <lphuberdeau> might be it
[14:32] <sylvieg> not sure it is in 1.9...
[14:32] <lphuberdeau> will check on that
[14:33] <lphuberdeau> thanks
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[14:37] <sylvieg> trunk is 3.0 ?
[14:37] <nyloth> sylvieg: yes
[14:38] <sylvieg> fersh install broken - still 2.0 a little bit everywhere
[14:39] <nyloth> fresh install of trunk ?
[14:39] <nyloth> chibaguy: I've just installed a fresh 2.0 SVN
[14:39] <nyloth> chibaguy: I changed the theme to tikinewt - and no more search box at the top, compared to tikineat
[14:40] <nyloth> chibaguy: then, I enabled forums feature
[14:40] <nyloth> chibaguy: and created a new forum
[14:40] <nyloth> chibaguy: the look is not good (FF3)
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[14:42] <nyloth> and the preview is worse :(
[14:43] <nyloth> chibaguy: I made a screenshot ... just triying to log on dev.tw.o to send it
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[14:46] <sylvieg> setup.sh skrunks a lot no more choice ... means I need to be uin apache group to commit
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[14:47] <nyloth> chibaguy: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=1&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=49&scalesize=o
[14:47] <nyloth> chibaguy: this is in preview mode
[14:48] <harold> Hi, I am trying to download the "batch_load_pages" tiki mod, which I saw at http://mods.tikiwiki.org/details.php?type=goodies&mod=batch_load_pages
[14:49] <nyloth> sylvieg: hmm... no, you have the choice through the interactive questions...
[14:49] <nyloth> sylvieg: sh ./setup.shUser [www-data]:
[14:49] <sylvieg> but hox can I have rw for me and apache if I am not in the apache group
[14:50] <lphuberdeau> in trunk, setup.sh is the old fixperms
[14:50] <lphuberdeau> got rid of the duplication
[14:51] <chibaguy> nyloth, I see. I'll see what's going on.
[14:51] <nyloth> sylvieg: you have to run the script as yourself if I remember well
[14:51] <nyloth> chibaguy: thx
[14:52] <chibaguy> btw, do you know the market share figures for FF2 and FF3?
[14:52] <chibaguy> roughly
[14:54] <nyloth> sylvieg: the new setup (old fixperms) does not things really differents from old setup. You should be able to do the same
[14:57] <nyloth> chibaguy: no, but we have to support FF3, it's not like we were talking about the oldversion that will be used less and less :)
[14:57] <nyloth> chibaguy: even in our corporate world, we use FF3 (but we have not switched to IE7 yet)
[14:57] <chibaguy> Sure, I was just thinking about the testing. I should get FF3 to test with.
[14:58] <chibaguy> ff2 and 3 can both be installed on one machine, right?
[14:58] <chibaguy> (not problematic like ie?)
[14:59] <chibaguy> or... http://www.itworld.com/news/53736/japanese-browser-maker-taking-ie-firefox ;-)
[15:00] <nyloth> chibaguy: don't know, I only use FF3. For IE6 + IE7, I'm using a virtual machine.
[15:02] <chibaguy> In the svn-upped site, I see the forum post preview is bad, like your screenshot.
[15:02] <chibaguy> (at my site now)
[15:02] <chibaguy> So I'll track down the problem. I think something simple.)
[15:05] <chibaguy> The normal read view is good, although for an instant the author and content divs are over/under before they pop into their left/right spots. I don't know if that's a problem.
[15:06] <chibaguy> (this is FF2 I'm using now.)
[15:08] <sylvieg> can somebody run converscript propelly in trunk
[15:09] <sylvieg> the db/.htaccess forbids me to do so
[15:14] <nyloth> chibaguy: ok, I'll test when you're done
[15:14] <nyloth> sylvieg: never used converscript
[15:14] <sylvieg> and how do you sync the tiki.sql script for tikki-install?
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[15:15] <sylvieg> tiki-install still use tiki...mysql..sql and not tiki.sql
[15:16] * sylvieg trying a second fresh install of trunk - to see if I more lucky this time
[15:17] <harold> Hi, can anyone provide me with instructions on how to install "batch_load_pages" tiki mod, which is available at http://mods.tikiwiki.org/details.php?type=goodies&mod=batch_load_pages
[15:17] <chibaguy> ok, thanks.
[15:18] <sylvieg> the easiest is to go on sourceforge to download the file
[15:18] <sylvieg> http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/goodies/batch_load_pages/
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[15:25] <nyloth> sylvieg: you're right ;p
[15:28] <nyloth> lphuberdeau & sylvieg: the installer is not updating "dbversion_tiki" in db/local.php when upgrading... should we not update it ?
[15:28] <lphuberdeau> probably
[15:29] <nyloth> this is also my opinion
[15:29] <lphuberdeau> but in fact, I don't really understand why the version is written there
[15:29] <lphuberdeau> pretty useless
[15:29] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: don't know too.... but it's used
[15:30] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: it should be in db itself... but it is used for CSS transition files, for example
[15:30] <lphuberdeau> at scary places, I know
[15:30] <nyloth> :)
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[15:32] <lphuberdeau> I just don't see a good place to update it from
[15:32] <lphuberdeau> tiki-install is not used by everyone
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[15:33] <lphuberdeau> unless it causes problems right now, I would leave it as-is until we figure out a better way to handle the whole db versioning issue
[15:34] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: it causes problems for themes and css
[15:34] <lphuberdeau> could the transition css thing take the version from something more reliable?
[15:35] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: if your value is 1.9 (and not updated into 2.0), tiki will try to use transition style 1.9 to 1.9 instead of 1.9 to 2.0
[15:35] <lphuberdeau> like the code version for example
[15:35] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: it should, yes
[15:35] <lphuberdeau> which file is that in?
[15:35] <nyloth> lib/csslib.php at least, I think
[15:36] <nyloth> function transition_css
[15:38] <nyloth> also function list_content_tables in ./lib/admin/adminlib.php
[15:39] <nyloth> (and tiki-installer)
[15:45] <lphuberdeau> working on a patch
[15:48] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: thanx :)
[15:48] <nyloth> lphuberdeau: it should patch 2.0 (not only trunk)
[15:48] <lphuberdeau> yeah
[15:48] <lphuberdeau> working on 2.0
[15:48] <nyloth> ok :)
[15:49] <nyloth> 2.0 codename is "Arcturus". Has anyone already choosed the next codename ?
[15:49] <nyloth> codenames were sirius, eta, polaris and arcturus. I'm not sure if there is a logical suite
[15:51] <sylvieg> back: the version in db/local.php is used in soem function ...
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[15:53] <lphuberdeau> I don't really feel like touching the installer
[16:03] <nyloth> sylvieg: which functions ?
[16:05] * sylvieg confirms that on a fresh install I need to get rid off lib/.htaccess to fck working
[16:07] <nyloth> sylvieg: ok, good catch ;)
[16:07] <sylvieg> fgrep dbversion gives back lines
[16:08] <nyloth> sylvieg: yes, but used only where lph fixed it + the installer
[16:08] <sylvieg> after an install - it will be great to reset the session prefs .... 
[16:08] <nyloth> I agree
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[16:24] <nyloth> sylvieg: I found the problem for htaccess :)
[16:25] <nyloth> sylvieg: try renaming lib/fckeditor/_htaccess into lib/fckeditor/.htaccess
[16:25] <nyloth> sylvieg: is it better, then ? (even with the default lib/.htaccess)
[16:28] <nyloth> sylvieg: please let me know by mail if it fixes your problem... I need to go now
[16:28] <nyloth> bye
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[16:49] <mattbmc> Alright, more oddities...reonstructing the page I lost (mentioned earlier) I seem to be hitting a bug or something buglike....Though the initial save looked OK, I wanted to tweak the content.  The content of the wiki page is simply a large HTML table (report from WinMerge if you've seen that).  I've stripped down the HTML code to just the <table> tag and content, but I still get a blank screen a few seconds after I click Save.   (And
[16:49] <mattbmc>  the new changes are not saved.)
[16:50] <mattbmc> Not a lot to go on, so I'm hoping that blank page is a clue..
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[16:52] <Darkbee> blank pages usually imply memory problems with PHP
[16:52] <lphuberdeau> could you put the content on pastebin or something?
[16:53] <lphuberdeau> but yes, memory is probably the issue
[16:53] <Darkbee> check your memory limit under PHPINFO
[16:55] <Darkbee> What is the system gallery used for?  I read somewhere that it shows images that have been included with Wiki pages but mine is empty.
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[16:56] <Darkbee> I assume that it's only relevant if you store images in the database rather than a directory?
[17:06] <marclaporte> polom
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[17:12] <zorp> hola
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[17:23] <sylvieg> is wysiwyg still experimental? 
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[17:29] <lphuberdeau> yes
[17:31] <sylvieg> suppose you discuss about this at the tikifest
[17:32] <Paragtim_> Hi all, The Log In Page Saga continues.  I have edited the mod-login_box.tpl as suggested yesterday and more or less got the info in the initial log in screen that I need.  Chuffed i was.  I then logged on proper only to find all this info squeezed into the right hand column.  Not what I wanted.  Any chance of some help please?
[17:32] <lphuberdeau> yes, was one of the issue
[17:32] <sylvieg> It is hard to understand you IMHO. do you have a scrren shot?
[17:33] <sylvieg> lph: it is only I find that is not very 'marketing' - but if you decided together - no pb
[17:33] <ricks99_> @paradtim: did you add it to the login.tpl or the registration.tpl?
[17:33] <Paragtim_> I can do one - Where do I post it?
[17:34] <lphuberdeau> sylvieg, I know, but even nyloth (who wrote it) pushed to leave it experimental from what I remember
[17:35] <Paragtim_> Sorry Rick - I don't understand.  I directly edited the mod-login_box.tpl
[17:35] <ricks99_> that's why its appearing in the mod-box in the right column after login. If i recall, u wanted to include an EULA for folks when they initially register?
[17:36] <ricks99_> (i *think* i was helping u the other day...)
[17:37] <Paragtim_> Partly - I put that on hold while I figure out the db entries I need to do.  This problem is just static info and an exit link and yes you where and doing a grand job to !!!
[17:38] <ricks99_> ok.u have custom text in mod-login that you want to "hide" when a use is already logged in?
[17:39] <Paragtim_> Yep !!
[17:39] <ricks99_> surround your custom text with {if !$user}...{/if} so it will appear only when anonymous (not logged in).
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[17:46] <Paragtim_> OK - I'll give that a try now.
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[17:55] <Paragtim_> Rick - That worked - Nearly.  It does exactly as you said it would.  I enclosed the table i had set up and when I logged on the extra text was gone.  Unfortunately so was the login box in the right hand column.  I then moved the login box out of the table and it brought the login box back into the rh column.  But the opening screen now had the login box under the text !!
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[17:58] <ricks99_> y, include *only* ur custom stuff within the {IF
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[18:03] <Paragtim_> In the mod-login_box.tpl file.  I have put my custom stuff between {* $do_not_show_login_box ne 'y'} and (if !isset{$tpl_module_title)) at the top of the page.  Is this the right place?
[18:10] <ricks99_> should b right
[18:12] <Paragtim_> Can you look at a couple of screenshots that show what I mean?
[18:13] <ricks99_> sure.
[18:13] <Paragtim_> http://www.oops-again.co.uk/files/Login001756.jpg
[18:13] <Paragtim_> http://www.oops-again.co.uk/files/Login0008BC.jpg
[18:14] <Paragtim_> The first one is how it was before I moved it out of the table
[18:15] <ricks99_> did u want the message to only appear on an error page? (e.g., when an anon user tries to access a members only page and is prompted for login?)
[18:16] <ricks99_> remind me... xactly what r u trying to do?
[18:17] <Paragtim_> I was hoping to have the page look like Login001756.jpg on the initial screen load (When someone lands on the site) or loads the login in page by any other means
[18:18] <Paragtim_> You fix does that perfectly
[18:18] <Paragtim_> Sorry Your fix
[18:18] <ricks99_> great. all done then?
[18:19] <Paragtim_> Not quite - The page layout has changed and the login box now appears left aligned and below the site text.
[18:19] <Paragtim_> I am now so brain dead I can't figure out how to get it back
[18:20] <Paragtim_> I want the login in box rigt aligned and level with the site text
[18:21] <ricks99_> can u use....
[18:22] <ricks99_> {if !$user}<div style="float:left">....customtext...</div>{/if}
[18:22] <ricks99_> immediately following the ..do_not_show_login.... 
[18:24] <Paragtim_> I can but try - back soon
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[18:33] <MacLeod> 'afternoon!  :)
[18:38] <Paragtim_> Thats cracked it.  As long as the page is wide enough to take the data and the login box everything sits is the right place
[18:38] <Paragtim_> Thanks Rick - Catch you again - Thanks
[18:39] <ricks99_> :)
[18:41] <harold> hi can someone point me in the right direction regarding customizing the user registration form?
[18:42] <harold> I have created a tracker and associated it to the "Registered" group, but the new fields do not appear on the reg form
[18:42] <ricks99_> they will appear on the "second" page of the registration... after creating a username/pw, a second page will appear with your trackers
[18:44] <ricks99_> see doc: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=User+Tracker&bl=y
[18:52] <MacLeod> Argh... just realized that the template edits I made in our last installation (to remove the Contributors list from anon view) were undone in the upgrade to 1.9.11.
[18:53] <MacLeod> and i didn't keep notes on what edits to make  :(
[18:53] <ricks99_> {if $user}show contribs{if}
[18:53] <SEWilco2> Hiding something requires template alteration?  You can't attach a Category which only Registered use can view?
[18:55] <MacLeod> @SEWilco2 - We're allowing anon users to see the home page, but displaying only the User Agreement to them, via the {GROUP} plugin.
[18:55] <MacLeod> @ricks99:  which template?
[18:55] <ricks99_> tiki-show_page.tpl... look for the block near the bottom (in the editdate div, i think)
[19:00] <harold> hi ricks99 thanks, but i do not see the second page when the user creates a username and pwd
[19:01] <ricks99_> @harold: what is ur tiki version?
[19:04] <harold> 1.9,2
[19:05] <harold> lemme guess - this requires 2.0?
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[19:08] <ricks99_> no, but i think newer than 1.9.2.... maybe 1.9.9 or so...
[19:08] <ricks99_> fwiw, u can see it in working on tw.o just register at www.tikiwiki.org
[19:24] <Darkbee> Is there an official way to designate a header in a table?
[19:26] <Darkbee> using wiki syntax I mean
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[19:45] <MacLeod> {if $user}show contribs{if}
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[19:45] <MacLeod> @ricks99 - Worked!  Thanks for the reminder;  got a page in the wiki about it now, in case a future upgrade undoes it again.   :)
[19:45] <ricks99_> @Darkbee: use the {FANCYTABLE} plugin
[19:45] <ricks99_> see doc: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginFancyTable
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[20:18] <Darkbee> Thansk ricks99_
[20:18] <Darkbee> Thanks even
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[20:20] <Paragtim> Quick Question - How do you get rid of the Permission denied error message that comes with the login page?
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[20:44] <MacLeod> kthxbye!
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[21:05] <Paragtim> Quick Question - How do you get rid of the Permission denied error message that comes with the login page?
[21:13] <mattbmc> I've already got "memory_limit = 128M"
[21:14] <mattbmc> execution time is set to 30sec max tho, so I guess that could be it.    I'll test it at 60sec....any reason not to?
[21:14] <SEWilco2> Paragtim: You've run the setup screen?
[21:17] <SEWilco2> Paragtim: I'm about to leave and don't have browser window.  "Permission denied" could be a web server (Apache?) error.  Check the web server log (/var/log/apache*/error.log maybe).
[21:17] <lphuberdeau> matt: how big is the HTML file you are trying to load in a wiki page?
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[21:18] <SEWilco2> Paragtim: There also is a script which can be run from a shell login to set various file permissions.  Someone...what's the name of that script?
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[21:20] <Paragtim> SEWilco - Good info - thanks - I'll check though what you have said
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[21:24] <mattbmc> 511K
[21:24] <mattbmc> what is odd to me is that it saves fine initially and even displays fine....edits are what chokes.
[21:25] <mattbmc> haven't had a chance to test the 60s change yet....
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[23:50] <token_macguy> so here's my big question.  Is there a sensible way to arrange for category descriptions to be wiki parsed?