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   Gnea: hi all, i'm trying to figure out where my problem is - i'm running 1.9.11 with apache2 on ubuntu server, but it won't work - what i mean by that, is that when i plug the virtual domain into a browser and press enter, it takes me to the root directory of the main domain... ie. if i put in: http://www.garson.org, it gets forwarded to http://garson.org and nothing shows up.
   franck: <u>fane</u>: you here?
   fane: yes
   franck: <u>marclaporte</u>: no alert on dev.tikiwiki.org
   <br> <u>fane</u>: did you see anything special on dev?
   TimK: i am able to access the site
   franck: <u>marclaporte</u>: meet fane
   TimK: no criticals franck
   franck: <u>fane</u>: meet marclaporte
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: meet TimK too ;)
   TimK: Hi guys
   marclaporte: hi TimK!
   <br> hi fane!
   fane: hi:)
   Gnea: thanks for the ignorance?
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: you did not set a redirection under tikiwiki ?
   <br> or use the wrong domain in admin-&gt;general
   Gnea: <u>franck</u>: i don't think you understand... admin-&gt;general does not exist... what redirection are you referring to, exactly?
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   Gnea: wow, talk about crap support
   <br> or not
   <br> <u>franck</u>: i don't think you understand... admin-&gt;general does not exist... what redirection are you referring to, exactly?
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   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: I'm not answering your question, you are rude and insulting, come back when you are polite
   amette: <u>franck</u>: +1
   Gnea: <u>franck</u>: i'm sorry, i came in and was blatantly ignored - THAT was rude and insulting. But, I am past that, hopefully you are, too.
   amette: <u>Gnea</u>: that is not rude and insulting - it is how open source works - we are all voluntarily in here!
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: well people are doing support for free here, if you want people to be at your whim, send us some $$$
   amette: if you want support that you can call and get an answer - then buy it! And yes, that is possible even with open source software like TikiWiki (and especially with TikiWiki)!
   Gnea: are you done?
   amette: If you want a telephone hotline like with Microsoft where "someone got its rear end on the telephone line" (original cite from Ballmer) - then you are doubly wrong in an IRC chat channel!
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: now that all is clead dig www.garson.org fails, check your DNS settings
   Gnea: apparently not.
   amette: sorry to say it that directly - but it's just as things are!
   Gnea: <u>franck</u>: okay.
   <br> <u>franck</u>: they're fine.
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: give me the e-mail of your parents, so I can tell them to teach you good manners :D
   Gnea: heh
   amette: ok, enough bashing in here, I think... ;)
   <br> let's get too "business" as usual :)
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: this seems to me a DNS problem or and apache config problem
   dthacker: I get no return from www.garson.org
   Gnea: <u>franck</u>: i already took care of DNS.
   franck: <u>Gnea</u>: check it on www.dnsstuff.com
   Gnea: okay.
   <br> that doesn't really help.
   dthacker: <u>Gnea</u>: at minimum, your DNS is not propagating correctly or has not propagated yet.
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   Gnea: wtf...
   <br> <u>dthacker</u>: yes, i sort of see the problem now
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   Gnea: <u>franck</u>: thank you for your help so far.
   <br> <u>dthacker</u>: and thank you, too.
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   dthacker: np.  just remember that a) the channel is frequently very slow b) everyone is a volunteer c) your answer may show up hours later
   Gnea: I am cool with that.  Again, I'm sorry for getting out of hand before.
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   chibaguy: Firefox 3 has some irritating bugs. Since switching to ff3 from ff2 to check themes, I find I have to use min-width in places where width worked before. Also in divs with a background image tiling only one one side, the rest of the div isn't transparent as in other browsers, it's the body background color. So the color of the div's parent div doesn't show thorugh. Breaks themes.
   <br> Well, doesn't break them, but doesn't display them right. I never thought I'd say to use IE7 to view the page as designed.
   franck: <u>chibaguy</u>: is it a bug or is it how the css spec should work?
   chibaguy: I'm searching that now. I'm finding other people with various background problems in FF3.
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   chibaguy: What it boils down to is I can't figure out how to specify {background: transparent url(path_to_image) 100% 0 repeat-y} -- in other words a div with an image tiling down the right side but otherwise no background, allowing the background of the containing div to show through. This works in FF2 and all other browsers that I know of.
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   chibaguy: I can specify a color, so can have the tiling image and a bg color in the div, but can't specify transparent or no color. FF3 puts a white background there if I don't specify a bg color.
   franck: is there a transparent color?
   <br> on many appli, they have a transparent color, rather than a property
   chibaguy: yes, transparent can be set as a color property in css.
   <br> The parent background color should be displayed.
   franck: check bugzilla, must be there already
   <br> <u>chibaguy</u>: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347438   ?
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   chibaguy: I'm going through the list, too. Maybe that's it, or related.
   <br> The only place this is a problem for me (that I noticed so far) is in the http://zukakakina.com/Candiiclouds theme. In FF3, the side margins are white. In other browsers and FF versions the margins are transparent and let the pink stripe background image show through. (The margins' bg image is the shadow tiling vertically.) Alternatively the margins bg could be shadow plus stripes, which I'll do if no bug fix is coming.
   <br> (In this case, the selectors are tds.)
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   franck: <u>marclaporte</u>: hi
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   marclaporte: hi
   nyloth: hi *
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   tomb_: hi nyloth , i juste made a fresh install of tiki svn trunk this morning
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   tomb_: it appears that you cannot use fck image feature if file gallery feature is not set
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   sylvieg: hello
   nyloth: hi sylvie :)
   sylvieg: phplayers on by default - :-( we need to get rid of this monolithic dinosaur ...
   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: I know, but as I explained in my commit message, it's not to be used with menus. But for the moment, for js trees we don't have a better implementation
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   sylvieg: for fck - I do not jknow what I did but it finished to work on a fresh install .... I have to retest again on a free install
   <br> yes - it means that a funciton is missing in the css menu...
   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: yes, for fck I fixed it on trunk. By renaming _htaccess into .htaccess for lib/fckeditor
   <br> yes
   sylvieg: still not working on my working need to test on a fresh install again
   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: do you have a lib/fckeditor/.htaccess file ?
   sylvieg: yes
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   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: and what is the error message you get ?
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   sylvieg: no error - just no image ... (I am trying another fresh install)
   <br> img in fck works fine on a new install - but fgal needs to be activated now as tom said
   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: yes, sure, I changed the default pref for that
   sylvieg: yes but it is not possible anymore to fck img broxser
   <br> browser
   <br> it was still possible last week
   nyloth: <u>sylvieg</u>: I explained to tom that the goal is to have filegal internals available all the time (like wiki parsing) because it will become a central part of tiki. So, the feature will be there only to enabled or not the direct access to filegals
   <br> <u>sylvieg</u>: it should be possible, nothing has been deleted, AFAIK, for fck img browser
   <br> <u>sylvieg</u>: it's just a pref (filegal_manager) that is enabled by default, but it's still possible to change it. For updates, it should work as before, it should only affect new installs
   <br> <u>sylvieg</u>: but yes, for 3.0, if possible, I'll try to make the old way completely obsolete since it's not really usable (no perms, no way to delete files, ...)
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   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: around ?
   lph: kind of
   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: hi, why did you made a JOIN for this request in the installer : SELECT count(*) FROM users_users u INNER JOIN users_usergroups g ON u.userId = g.userId WHERE login = ?
   <br> <u>lph</u>: I have a case where admin is in users_users, but no group
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   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: so, it does not find the admin
   <br> why not just looking in users_users ?
   lph: that does not tell me if it's an admin
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   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: well, the current join is not better
   sylvieg: the user admin is always admin even if not in an admin group
   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: you don't make a check on the group name
   <br> and I agree with sylvie
   lph: that must be an error then
   <br> feel free to fix it
   nyloth: could you just have a look to be sure, please ? :)
   <br> well, I think it's buggy... if the user is admin, you don't have to test something else... but if it's another user, the function does not return what is expected
   lph: query is wrong now
   nyloth: right
   lph: probably got disturbed in the middle of it
   nyloth: lol
   lph: could probably just do the check on username and ignore groups as well
   nyloth: if user = admin, then no need to make a query.... but do we want something for other users ?
   <br> I suppose no, but it was the initial idea of this function...
   lph: I don't know, what about other admin users?
   nyloth: well, those who are in an Admin group, or with tiki_p_admin ?
   <br> I'm not convinced they may have the rights to update tiki
   <br> I think it's correct to limit to the admin user
   <br> So... I'll make a fix to test only on $name == 'admin' ... if noone is against this
   lph: +1
   nyloth: ok
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   nyloth: <u>lph</u>: if possible, please wait again until tommorow afternoon / evening for RC3 ... I want to fix what you probably saw on security list to be sure it's tested in an RC before the final release.
   <br> <u>lph</u>: but you can merge ;p
   -: nyloth need to go now... see you later or tommorow
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   marclaporte: <u>sylvieg</u>: : ping
   sylvieg: hello
   marclaporte: <u>sylvieg</u>: : I was wondering about what you told me about muli-valued tracker fields
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   GillesM: hello
   sylvieg: not yet done - closer and closer as the multilingual field is done - but still job to do
   marclaporte: polom GillesM
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   GillesM: how are you marclaporte
   kerrnel: Moo
   <br> With the RC branch frozen, what are the current differences in functionality with the branch and the trunk versions of 2.0?
   lph: no so much, it has been frozen for only two weeks
   <br> but there are differences already
   <br> svn diff https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/2.0 https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk
   marclaporte: all good GillesM, you?
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   kerrnel: I made a change to the tikifest page for the DC meeting...that date work or not work with anyone that was planning on going?
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   kerrnel: thanks lph, going through the diff now
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   GillesM: fine marc
   marclaporte: I have bug with calculated field (trackers) in 2.0rc2
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   Darkbee: Is there any wiki syntax for specifying a background color, not just a foreground color?
   sylvieg: {BOX} with a class?
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   Darkbee: I guess that would work... no reason why I can't make the display inline is there?
   kerrnel: Has anybody experienced problems with phplayers menus in 2.0?
   <br> The menu shows up but it won't expand when I've got it set using the rolldowns.
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   sylvieg: <u>kerrnel</u>: perhaps it depends of the theme?
   kerrnel: I've tried a few different ones
   <br> damian, mose, tikineat, moreneat, whitebluegrey
   <br> I have menu 42 stipulated in the top box settings, and I've got phplayers turned on.  Is there anything else I need to enable?
   <br> Ahh...interesting.  If you have CSS Menus turned on as well, they seem to conflict.  Turning that off and only having phplayers enabled seems to work
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   icltlfatppl: anyone here interested in integrating socialcalc with tikiwiki?
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   SEWilco2: zzzz...  Come on, dev tracker... update, so I can write another report...
   Petjal2: <u>marclaporte</u>:  Hi!  What's your bug with calculated field (trackers) in 2.0rc2?
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   SEWilco2_: Oops.  My bug 1903 got duplicated as 1904 when I resubmitted after DSL link failure (1903 didn't show as having been accepted before resubmit).
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   mstef: hi all, does anyone know whether it is normal to get a blank page when posting a blogitem and finishing it off with the save&amp;exit button?
   <br> i checked the code, it get's till a header("location.... invocation, which is terminated by a die; but i am not redirected to the page indicated in the location header. why's that?
   Petjal2: Hi all.  I have a 30 page Microsoft Word .doc file that I'd like to turn into a wiki page (for applying TRACKERITEMFIELD ELSE statements to it).   I know I'll have to hand-edit it afterwards, but what process should I use to import it into tw?  Thanks!
   <br> Wouldn't it be neat if OpenOffice.org had an Export to Wiki filter?
   <br> The various tools at the bottom of tiki-editpage.php are a little confusing to me.
   <br> tw 2.0rc2 btw
   mstef: petjal, you should try to paste the document into the wysiwyg editor, it should handle formating quite well.
   <br> s/petjal/Petjal2/
   Petjal2: Ooh, thanks, I never would've thought to try that!
   mstef: <u>Petjal2</u>: np
   Petjal2: Hmm, maybe I don't have that installed...
   mstef: <u>Petjal2</u>: most wysiwyg editors are capable of that stunt.
   <br> the wysiwyg editor is part of newer tiki installs, what version do you have? do you have wysiwyg enabled under features?
   Petjal2: Ah, good, thanks, that helped.  Under Admin, Features, Experimental.  Turned it on now....
   <br> I was looking under mods.
   <br> So, just open the .doc in OpenOffice, Select All, Copy, go to tw, turn on wysiwyg, and paste it in the box/
   SEWilco2: In 1.9.11 Admin&gt;Wiki I'm only seeing WYSIWYG as being available when HTML pages are allowed.
   Petjal2: Do I need to do anything with the couple of html option things at the bottom of that page?
   SEWilco2: Hmm.. no, I'm not able to turn on WYSIWYG.  The pulldown remains at "no".
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   Petjal2: Nevermind, html not involved, sorry.   I did right click in the big text box, paste, it said I had to do Ctrl-V cuz of my browser, hit OK.  At 30+ pages, it's taking a while...  I notice the "Paste from Word" button hidden among those at the top.  It'd be nice if it had an upload from file button...
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   Petjal2: still saving...   I'm sure the .doc is too big. Any command line converters?  What's the best way to bring in a large doc from html (again, the options at the bottom confuse simple me).
   sylvieg: <u>Petjal2</u>: What do you mean?
   Petjal2: Sorry to be confusing.  At the moment, I'm trying to break up the big .doc into little pieces to paste them individually into the wysiwyg editor...
   sylvieg: do you paste a .doc into a wiki page?
   Petjal2: But if that doesn't work, then I'll try exporting from .doc to .html and then trying to get that into wiki...  Gimme a few minutes...
   <br> I opened the .doc in OpenOffice (on ubuntu) and then I'm selecting several pages of that .doc and using the Paste From MS Word button in tw wysiwyg editor....
   sylvieg: it should work...
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   Petjal2: very slow...
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   harold: Hi, I am trying to add some style classes to a style sheet in tiki wiki; what is the best way to do this? I have tried editing default2.css, but no dice
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   mstef: <u>harold</u>: you should check which theme you're running and edit it in themes/&lt;theme&gt;.css
   <br> <u>harold</u>: maybe there are better ways to do that. dunno.
   harold: ok - is there anyway to do it from the user interface? unfortunately, I do not have access to the source files...
   mstef: <u>harold</u>: better=cleaner
   <br> <u>harold</u>: i remember seeing an edit css under features, but i might be wrong.
   harold: correct, mstef, it is there; unfortunately my edits there do not seem to publish anywhere
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   kerrnel: 2.0 branch is closed for new features, correct?  So bug fixes or feature omissions can be committed to branch, and anything new goes into trunk right?  So there is no "2.0 new features" it's all grouped together as "trunk" ?
   <br> Reason I ask is there is an oddity with Articles.  When you create one, it lets you specify an expiration date, however if you edit it or if you preview it, you no longer have the option of changing the expiration date.  I'm not even sure if it looks at that date.
   <br> When I say looks at that date, I'm referring to the plugins.
   <br> Would fixes to the Article edit screen and the plugins go into trunk, or into branch?
   sylvieg: it can go in 2.0 and not trunk - onl;y if it is a regression - so you need to compare to 1.9 to decide
   kerrnel: It's broken in 1.9 as well
   sylvieg: so it will go in trunk
   kerrnel: Even though the option is there?
   sylvieg: yes
   kerrnel: ok
   <br> just wanted to clarify that before I started committing stuff to the wrong tree
   <br> thanks
   sylvieg: and if the release manager sees that it is very important he will backport - but only him will do it
   kerrnel: ok
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   mattbmc: is the date of Tikifest DC a secret?   I'm finding pages on tw.o for others, but not DC...
   <br> Link?
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   mattbmc: found it:  http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestWashingtonDC
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   player3: we are trying to validate users by admin, but we are unable to authorize accounts.  Anybody know how to do this?
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   kerrnel: Sorry mattbmc, I updated the TikiFest page, not the WashingtonDC one
   <br> <u>player3</u>: Not that I am aware...I've wrestled with that in the past and it'd be nice if we could identify users as "pending authorization" and we can just click a button and poof, authorized.
   <br> I have a stupid DIV question...  Is there a way to have two different DIV blocks appear on the same line?
   player3: we can setup to get notification, but we can not actually enable the account, how do you do that?
   <br> what do I click on to enable an account?
   kerrnel: To enable the account, at the moment, you need to click on the link provided in the email
   <br> If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what the problem is.
   player3: in Login preferences, "Validate users by email:" works fine... email gets sent to the user, we can click and enable (from the users point of view)
   <br> "... but need admin validation:" feature we cant figure out
   <br> how do we"validate" an account?
   kerrnel: hmm...that's a good queston
   player3: lol
   kerrnel: where is that option located?
   player3: Admin &gt; Login &gt;
   <br> Right under "Users can register:"
   <br> "... but need admin validation:"
   kerrnel: That's the same thing
   player3: ? that same thing as what?
   kerrnel: Validate users by email = User gets an email to confirm they are who they say they are
   player3: Why are there 2 different check boxes...
   kerrnel: Users can register = Users can click Register and submit their info.
   player3: right
   <br> it reads like this...
   kerrnel: ...Need Admin = admin gets an email that says "please click on this URL to validate this user".
   <br> which activates their account
   player3: That email never comes
   <br> then
   <br> other emails send fine
   kerrnel: if ...need admin is not selected, then the user can register themselves and are immediately active
   <br> There are a couple of fields that need to be populated for it to work.
   player3: the we are not getting the email to the admin then... it has been confirmed that the tiki does send email...
   <br> ok
   kerrnel: You're running 2.0 I take it?
   player3: 1.9.11
   kerrnel: even better
   player3: sorry I could have said that before
   kerrnel: ok, that one I use :)
   player3: :)
   kerrnel: ok, first you need to have a valid "sender email" in your General tab
   player3: ok let me check , I think we do
   SEWilco2: tw.o "Since your last visit" says new tracker items: 21... 16. on, 17. n, 18. on.. "n"?
   player3: the sender address is set
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   SEWilco2: In case someone cares, the "n" item is linked to http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=186
   kerrnel: far as I can tell that should work
   player3: is the "Sender Address" the email address that the "Validatiaon" is sent to or just from?
   <br> Where do we set the "Admin" to email address?
   kerrnel: I have sender email set, with users can register, with admin validation, and validate by email
   <br> Ah!!!
   <br> I knew there was something. LOL
   <br> admin by default doesn't have an email address
   player3: right we set that also,
   kerrnel: Login as your admin user and go to My Tiki -&gt; Preferences
   <br> if that's also set then I'm not sure what's wrong.  I have the exact same settings and it works for me
   <br> Took me a while to get the right combination
   player3: ah ok let me test it out...
   <br> we tried to set the email address from another admin account.... and we got the password error message.. but it did show the email address...
   kerrnel: If you have access to the database directly, you can also kludge it there
   player3: not an option
   SEWilco2: On Admin&gt;Wiki, what does the checkbox "Individual cache" do?
   player3: we do have access, but not the user that will be administering the wiki
   <br> ok we get an email, but it does not contain a link
   kerrnel: what does it say
   player3: it says a new user registerd, the name and time of the user and thats it
   <br> The user JoeTest registered at your site xxx.xxx.caltech.edu
   <br> <u>at</u>: Mon 28 of Jul, 2008 [15:21]
   <br> nothing is linkable...
   <br> however we do not have the "validate by email checkbox checked"
   kerrnel: check that then
   <br> make sure ... requires admin is also checked
   player3: same deal, we get an email, but no link
   <br> Also
   <br> we would not be getting any email if we did not setup a Mail Notifiation. user_registers 	* 	xxx@xxx.caltech.edu
   <br> ok we figured it out...
   <br> The "Send To" address is the address that gets the validation email
   <br> not the admin account email
   -: sylvieg confirms
   player3: Which is miss leading when your just reading the text labels
   <br> Sending Account
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   player3: thanks all... I thnk it may have been the check box combiation, via email, ... and admin, and having the Sent Address set
   sylvieg: we need to change this checkbox with an email
   player3: thanks
   <br> Yeah maybe add a text input box for "... and requires admin validation" for the email address of the person doing the validation
   kerrnel: Yes, it should be one box, clearly stated.  But, you got it working, which is the important thing at the moment!
   SEWilco2: Someone feed the dev.tw.o gerbils.  They're not spinning the wheels fast enough.
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   Alumin: which permission corresponds to the "source" (view source) button in the wiki?
   sylvieg: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login%20Config&amp;structure=Documentation#_but_need_Admin_validation
   <br> it is not a perm it is a feature ... I think
   <br> admin-&gt;wiki
   SEWilco2: <u>Alumin</u>: I suspect "source" means someone has editor permission but that specific item has editing blocked.
   <br> Asking someone other than Alumin: Can Category permissions block editing in that way?
   player3: cool thanks.
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   <br> SEWilco2 sees his dev.two.o pages go blank.  Not quite the desired response.
   Alumin: <u>sylvieg</u>: don't see it on the admin/wiki page
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   sylvieg: admin-&gt;wiki-&gt;View source: and after I se it it is tiki_p_view
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   marclaporte: <u>Petjal2</u>: : ping
   <br> my bug is : calculated field in trackerlist plugin shows many times the same value
   <br> It's behind firewall, I can
   <br> I can't show you
   Petjal2: "many times the same value"?
   Alumin: wait, the tiki_p_view permission gives the "view source" button as well?
   marclaporte: say I am using trackerlist plugin
   Alumin: isn't that the permission that's used to view the rendered page?
   marclaporte: It lists 5 tracker items
   <br> one of the fields is a calculated field
   Alumin: (btw I don't have the word "source" anywhere on this admin-&gt;wiki page, this is 1.9.7)
   marclaporte: each of the 5 trackers items should have a different value, depending on calculation
   <br> ex.: 4*5
   Petjal2: ok, I think I see
   marclaporte: yet, in my instance, the calculated field was giving an ok result for the first valie but was wrong for the others
   Petjal2: I'll be playing in that area shortly (days) I think, so I'll keep my eye out for that...
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   SEWilco2: dev.tw.o tracker keeps timing out.  Or has someone woken it up in the last few minutes?
   <br> I can view tracker entries but not update.
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   Petjal2: i'm a better linux sysadmin that tw guy.  If you guys want to give me ssh access to the dev.tw.o server, I'd be glad to take a look at it.
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   kerrnel: hmm... is it me or does the new timing (which is awesome by the way) in 2.0 not take into account daylight savings?
   SEWilco2: dev.tw.o accepted my update quickly, so it's now working....better.
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