#tikiwiki 2008-07-29,Tue

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Petjal2	hii all, i am using {TRACKERITEMFIELD} and that field for one user happens to have a CamelCase word, which tw is putting a ? after prompting to create a new wiki page. Many fields could have CamelCase. Is there a way to prevent tw putting in the "?"? I put )) (( around the {TRACKERITEMFIELD} tags, and that stopped the ?/create thing, but left the )) ((.	[01:05]
chibaguy	Petjal2, one option is turn off camelcase words site-wide. Then ((link)) is used for wiki syntax links.	[01:08]
Petjal2	Hmm, thanks, that's an interesting option... with maybe some huge repercussions... Nothing page-wide?	[01:08]
chibaguy	I don't think so.	[01:09]
Petjal2	I was thinking ~np~, but i think that would stop it from rendering the {TRACKERITEMFIELD} tags...	[01:10]
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Darkbee	Hey all, is there a way to see pages that have been linked to but do not yet exist? In other words pages that are awaiting creation.	[01:14]
Petjal2	I'll look in the {TRACKERITEMFIELD} docs, maybe their is a flag there...	[01:14]
chibaguy	Darkbee, there's a plugin called WANTEDPAGES or something like that. If you put it in a page, it'll list that kind of links.	[01:16]
Darkbee	thanks... plugins was my next port of call ;) next question! :S Do slides only have a CSS associated with them... no template?	[01:17]
chibaguy	I've never looked at how the slides pages are done. Not aware of any templates.	[01:19]
Darkbee	I've changed the CSS and it looks nice... but I'm restricted to the table layout :( means that you have to get a little creative with transparent backgrounds and the like to pretend it's not a table :) Darkbee pretends that he's highly creative and skills in the arts of web design I found slideshow folder in the styles folder, that seems to be all you need	[01:19]
chibaguy	That folder contains the slideshow theme options. Apparently they all use the same html.	[01:23]
Darkbee	so can I modify the HTML or is that not advisable? thanks for the wantedpages plugin tip..that was just the ticket!	[01:26]
chibaguy	Well, you'll have to find the html first. And see how it's applied to the wiki content.	[01:29]
Darkbee	hehe... I was afraid you would say that ;) It's not a big deal... I can do enough with the CSS to blend in with the rest of the site. thanks again	[01:30]
chibaguy	sure	[01:30]
Darkbee	Darkbee wonders if chibaguy has a space cowboy vibe going on	[01:31]
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chibaguy	chibaguy doesn't think so. To claim one would be to disrespect the real space cowboys.....	[01:37]
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Darkbee	good night/morning/afternoon all.	[01:42]
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chibaguy	Question mark in url in textarea of tracker breaks display of tracker (white page), Tiki 2.0svn.	[03:02]
franck	in the calendar, we need to display the TZ used Important to give feedback to the user	[03:07]
chibaguy	I'd like to use a tracker to list themes, but don't know the best way to have a link field. The url is like http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/themes/abse.tar.gz?view=tar . The '?' here breaks the tracker display.	[03:09]
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	Hmm, nocache parameter for wiki links seems to not work today.	[03:26]
	Heh, new anti-scripting thing has changed the line in wiki "Put in styles/ directory" to "Put in st<x>yles/ directory" :-)	[03:31]
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franck	I have a strange error n tw2.0: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function smarty_modifier_tiki_long_datetime() in /home/franck/Projects/tiki/tiki-2.0/tiki-calendars_rss.php on line 94 sorry, found the error, fixing it	[04:46]
luciash	polom polom	[05:01]
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chibaguy	hi luciash	[05:11]
luciash	hey chibaguy, sent a reply to your mail ;)	[05:25]
chibaguy	ah, ok, luciash, thanks for clarifying.	[05:29]
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srisht3	themes.tikiwiki.org looks like down marclaporte: themes is down	[05:31]
chibaguy	marclaporte is very busy, but I'm hoping to see themes.tw.o on an svn-capable server so we can demo Tiki 2.0 :-).	[05:34]
srisht3	chibaguy: themes have been down for the last 18 mins but the server is still up	[05:34]
chibaguy	"too many connections" db problem	[05:36]
srisht3	could be	[05:36]
chibaguy	Well, that's the error message I'm getting:"Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)"	[05:37]
srisht3	it seems its recovering because before it wasnt even replying all those sites hosted by marclaporte was playing up abt an hour ago the themes critical just cleared. themes.tikiwiki.org is up	[05:38]
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sylvieg	what is the class we are suppose to use to clear both?	[11:56]
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franck	Hi	[12:32]
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franck	need some help on traslation I have upgrade a site from 1.9 to 2.0 and there are pages that were translated I have an english page and a french page, but from each one, it tells me the other is better translated how to fix that?	[12:32]
ricks99	@franck: u want to 'rest' so that tiki thinks both are equal/identical?	[12:33]
chibaguy	sylvieg, class="clear" has property clear:both .	[12:34]
franck	ricks99: yes ricks99: how?	[12:34]
sylvieg	thx chibaguy but it is not in all the css ex: tiikineat	[12:35]
ricks99	@franck: edit the english page. do not click "save" instead at the bottom click "COMPLETE TRANSLATION" then do the same for the french page	[12:35]
sylvieg	and some have the clearfix	[12:35]
luciash	sylvieg: clearfix ?	[12:35]
sylvieg	the clearfix after	[12:36]
chibaguy	clearfix is to make a div contian its floated children It's like putting <br class="clear" at the end of the div, after the floated divs it contains.	[12:36]
luciash	but i wouldnt rely on it because not supported everywhere	[12:37]
sylvieg	so what is better ... <div clearfix> <div ...> </div> or <div> <div...></div><div class=clear></div>?	[12:37]
franck	ricks99: does not do it	[12:37]
sylvieg	sorry was to slow to type	[12:37]
chibaguy	clearfix is less markup and 'usually' works. ;-)	[12:38]
franck	I go english page, click update from it (french) click complete, then go french page and click update from it, and then click complete	[12:38]
sylvieg	so do we put clearfix in evry styles?	[12:38]
ricks99	the module's contents may be cached. clear the tiki cache	[12:38]
chibaguy	I find clearfix very useful.	[12:40]
sylvieg	me too I prefer conceptually that the empty div - but I am not pro you guys decide what is the best - and we align all the styles on the decidion	[12:40]
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sylvieg	decision sylvieg got the bad idea to take away the transition styles and got surprise in find.tpl for instance	[12:41]
franck	ricks99: cleared cache but no... the uptodateness is 100% though	[12:43]
luciash	chibaguy: does clearfix work in ie6 ?	[12:43]
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ricks99	says uptodate=100%, but still one is 'better' than the other?	[12:44]
franck	yes I have RC2 though ricks99: no it is worst than that for each page it says the other is better	[12:45]
sylvieg	luciash: clearfix is the aslett clearing method - seems to be famous...	[12:46]
lphuberdeau	just use the translate link and save	[12:46]
franck	ricks99: http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage	[12:46]
chibaguy	luciash, yes, I believe so. Also, * html .clearfix {height: 1%} must be used.	[12:46]
ricks99	@franck: y. i've had issues with the translation stuff too. u can add you comments here: http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=251&topics_offset=5&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=2	[12:46]
lphuberdeau	there might have been a save without any changes, making it confusing	[12:46]
franck	What do you mean a save without any changes?	[12:47]
lphuberdeau	let's say you edit a page and change the description the translation change tracking recognizes the save and records it	[12:47]
ricks99	@lphuderdeau: but frank, did a fresh edit and selected COMPLETE TRANSLATION -- shouldn't that have foreced everything to become 'in sync'?	[12:48]
lphuberdeau	however, the change size thing notices no changes	[12:48]
luciash	aslett ? what a shame i never heard about him/her	[12:48]
lphuberdeau	so you see 100% and still out of date... little weird I must admit	[12:48]
sylvieg	the after modifior is not a new css property?	[12:49]
franck	the weird stuff, it tells me from the englsih page that the french page is better AND needs update	[12:49]
ricks99	@lphuderdeau: actually, i see the same thing here: http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-index.php how can the page be 100% up-to-date, but there be other languages listed as "better"?	[12:49]
luciash	but i thought it uses after: pseudoclass rendering method and i wonder it is supported in ie6 actually	[12:49]
ricks99	doesn't 100% imply that it is "complete" (i.e., nothting can be "better")?	[12:49]
lphuberdeau	in theory yes, but both are calculated based on different properties	[12:50]
sylvieg	luciash: http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html	[12:50]
ricks99	so shouldn't it be something less than 100%? or if 100%, the other langs should be shown as equilvalent?	[12:51]
franck	you want a login on the site to see?	[12:51]
lphuberdeau	well, that's something that could be fixed, but really minor to me will probably work on those details at TikiFestPorto	[12:52]
ricks99	:)	[12:52]
lphuberdeau	are you coming? I could use your help ;)	[12:52]
franck	lphuberdeau: no the stuff that confuses me, is that the french page is shown as better translated and also needs to be updated and if I go to the french page, same story with the english page	[12:52]
lphuberdeau	but that's absolutly true	[12:53]
ricks99	editing both and selecting COMPLETE TRANSLATION should have cleared that up. maybe a bug?	[12:53]
lphuberdeau	we just can't figure out a better wording	[12:53]
ricks99	@lphuderdeau: i'd love to.. but cant :( personally, i removed the % on my site -- i also found it unreliable and confusing.	[12:53]
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luciash	sylvieg, thanks ! LOL about "and let IE wrongly clearing it by itself" :-p	[12:55]
ricks99	i logged an issue earlier. there should be a fourth state "out-of-sync" -- too confusing to have a page shown as both better and worse.	[12:56]
franck	ricks99: agreed, but cannot get the sync...	[12:56]
ricks99	do u have a 'master language' set?	[12:58]
franck	ricks99: what do you mean?	[13:00]
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ricks99	back : )	[13:03]
luciash	sylvieg, chibaguy: seems it does not work on my ie on ipaq though ;) which is from where i write now via putty/irssi :) wb ricks :)	[13:04]
chibaguy	well, luciash, is supporting ie on ipaq a high priority? ;-)	[13:06]
franck	ricks99: what do you mean by a master language set?	[13:06]
ricks99	i think if u select a master lang, tiki will use that to determine you base (better/worse). lphuberdeau?	[13:07]
lphuberdeau	you must be talking about the pivot language thing... only used to filter the display in the translation module	[13:08]
luciash	chibaguy: sure it is not, that is why i smile :)	[13:08]
franck	I'm looking at the tiki-translated table	[13:09]
lphuberdeau	which one?	[13:09]
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franck	tiki-translated_objects	[13:10]
chibaguy	<!--[if IE 6 on ipaq]><br class="clear" /><![endif]--> :-)	[13:10]
lphuberdeau	that one is not really useful in the current case	[13:10]
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franck	lphuberdeau: yes I just noticed, the tiki_untranslated table is empty	[13:10]
lphuberdeau	tiki_pages_translation_bits is where things happen I didn't create that one, no idea what it's about	[13:10]
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ricks99	*rick hates his ISP :(	[13:11]
franck	ok source_transtalion_bit is NULL and original_translation_bit is null for all records and no flags either	[13:12]
lphuberdeau	franck, the null part is not good when you do the translations, you use the icons in the translation module right?	[13:13]
franck	lphuberdeau: I had a feeling lphuberdeau: right but because my pages are translated already I don't change the content when I click complete translation is this a bug because I have a translation set already? when I did the upgrade?	[13:14]
ricks99	@franck: u may need to make some sort of actual minor edit (e.g., add a blank line at the end of the page).	[13:17]
franck	what should I have in the source_bit and original_bit field?	[13:17]
ricks99	i had the same situation, applying the translation stuff to a site that already had translations	[13:17]
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franck	it does not change any bit field in any record	[13:20]
lphuberdeau	propagation is broken...	[13:21]
franck	I have several record with same pageid but many different versions	[13:21]
lphuberdeau	someone somewhere broke it	[13:21]
franck	I use RC2 code	[13:21]
lphuberdeau	I just tested on branche 2.0	[13:22]
franck	and?	[13:22]
lphuberdeau	broken and I'm quite pissed about it	[13:22]
franck	what the svn history is telling you?	[13:22]
lphuberdeau	actually, even the UI is broken	[13:23]
franck	franck ready to point finger lphuberdeau: I think you are for a fix... can you identify the issue and tell me how to manualy fix? which files from svn I should replace	[13:23]
lphuberdeau	the code is just broken the stuff never even gets called	[13:27]
franck	you found what happened? or how to fix? that's sometimes the trouble of tw, you think your code is neat and then someone comes and break it and you don't realise	[13:29]
	lphuberdeau: another related bug, open a page in English, you click on translate, create new page called Projekt AMS, and then it shows Update 'Projekt AMS' based on '', it does not know on what it is based from	[13:36]
lphuberdeau	actually, I'm about to throw up	[13:38]
franck	I know the feeling...	[13:38]
lphuberdeau	ok, UI fixed...	[13:39]
franck	let me know which files you commit so I go and grab them and update my site and let you know if it works ;)	[13:41]
lphuberdeau	Sending templates/pagehistory.tpl Sending templates/tiki-editpage.tpl Sending tiki-editpage.php nyloth, around?	[13:44]
franck	ok cool I just take these 3 files from svn and I'm cool?	[13:45]
lphuberdeau	yeah	[13:45]
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lphuberdeau	should do RC3 really soon	[13:50]
franck	lphuberdeau: I think so as soon as the XSS is fixed lphuberdeau: ok let me see if better now	[13:51]
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franck	lphuberdeau: ok the translations are now sync etc... but still a bug	[13:57]
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franck	may be, I take a page in english, drop down to translate, select polish, new page, and I got to the edit page, content is pre filled with english version, but on top it is written translation based on '' and the '' contains nothing lphuberdeau: what do you think, does not seem a big issue?	[13:59]
lphuberdeau	really minor to me	[14:00]
franck	lphuberdeau: ok btw: did you put the wiki-translation site in maintenance?	[14:01]
lphuberdeau	yes, updating it with trim	[14:02]
franck	ok, I get alerted when these things happen ;)	[14:03]
marclaporte	marclaporte updates TRIM franck: you still get mails @sopac?	[14:04]
franck	marclaporte: yes	[14:04]
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marclaporte	you have mail hi PGamache! PGamache: : thanks for the tip!	[14:11]
PGamache	Yo! You didn't know about it?	[14:12]
marclaporte	I didn't	[14:17]
franck	and now for something completely different: http://www.cuil.com/	[14:17]
marclaporte	PGamache: : I haven't read your book yet	[14:17]
franck	http://www.cuil.com/search?q=tikiwiki&sl=long	[14:18]
PGamache	Pffff!	[14:19]
ricks99	dont like cuil, but love searchcloud.net needs a better ui, but i love the concept	[14:20]
franck	ricks99: is that the wikipedia one? marclaporte: still no mail from you	[14:24]
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otabz	wiki-translation.com critical has dissappeared	[14:33]
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lphuberdeau	huh? site seems to work	[14:37]
otabz	sorry site is back to normal	[14:38]
lphuberdeau	I was updating it	[14:42]
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kerrnel	Is there support for daylight savings in 2.0, and if not, is there anybody working on it?	[15:47]
Jyhem	polom I'm trying to figure out wiki page translations in 2.0 I create an english page I use the drop-down "translate" I create the associated french page I translate half the page, then I hit "partial translation" how do I get back to translating the rest and clic on "translation complete" ? I can only get to the normal page edit.	[15:51]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[15:55]
Jyhem	hi!	[15:56]
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Jyhem	Jyhem needs coffee	[16:00]
lphuberdeau	jyhem, you need to activate the translation module	[16:07]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: any good idea about sanitization of 'style' keyword ?	[16:15]
lphuberdeau	I didn't follow the discussion so much, but I have the feeling the troublesome keywords would be easier to filter like behavior or such I'm not really a security person	[16:15]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: I thought about this, but I'm not convinced. It is easier to use many sorts of comments, special chars, etc. inside the style compared to the keyword 'style' itself (e.g. using /* and */). And It's probably harder to maintain the list of those things (behavior, url, ...) that could not follow standards in some browsers... mhhh	[16:19]
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lphuberdeau	browsers should just provide a switch we could place on elements like <div content-source="user"> and disable all the script exectution they add all around until they realize all their "features" actually cause security issues all around, we have to filter stuff	[16:20]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: ok, let me know when you have convinced MS ;p lphuberdeau: but agree on the principle	[16:21]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: I think I'll try to detect two different use of 'style' (the first as a tag, the other as style[SOME_POSSIBLE_CHARS]=), to affect less 'style' legitimate words	[16:23]
lphuberdeau	feels like the only way to filter things properly is to use a real parser	[16:25]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes, this is my point of view for 3.0 :)	[16:25]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: but too late for 2.0	[16:26]
lphuberdeau	sure is	[16:26]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: another thought : the 'style' problem that is displayed as 'st<x>yle' is really annoying in content that does not allow HTML in fine. Those places are mainly parsed as wiki. I can handle those '<x>' in wiki parsing in order to avoid the conversion into '<x>', so they will not be displayed, as in HTML mode (and will be less annoying). What do you think ?	[16:33]
lphuberdeau	well <x> is bad as it breaks HTML validation but yes, adding an exception in the parser could be an option	[16:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: right, but it is what is used in the original function I proposed. The idea is clearely to have something that won't be displayed but breaks XSS code. Maybe should we replace it by a <span /> or something that does the same and HTML valid. Btw, it only affects content that may contain some keywords... not a so huge problem I think. lphuberdeau: ok, I'll try to add this exception.	[16:38]
kerrnel	Anyone on who deals with themes? or has been working on them?	[16:41]
nyloth	kerrnel: chibaguy and luci, mainly ;)	[16:44]
kerrnel	ok, will hit them up when they're around, thanks nyloth!	[16:45]
lphuberdeau	hey, don't hurt the guys, we still need them badly	[16:45]
kerrnel	love taps lol	[16:45]
nyloth	:)	[16:47]
SEWilco2	Doc does not state if WYSIWYG emits HTML or WikiSyntax: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wysiwyg&structure=Documentation	[16:50]
nyloth	SEWilco2: HTML, but there is features to allow some wiki syntax inside	[16:52]
SEWilco2	Can TikiWiki site search also search in HTML pages? I don't want to lose documents in the pile.	[16:53]
nyloth	you mean HTML wiki pages (from wysiwyg) or HTML static pages ?	[16:54]
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ohertel	Hello. :)	[16:59]
SEWilco2	nyloth: I'd like to know both, to help decide on acceptable formats. I think I've seen mention that static HTML pages are not searched.	[17:00]
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harold	Hi I had some questions about css formatting	[17:03]
nyloth	SEWilco2: yes, but HTML wiki pages are indexed for search. Hi ohertel :)	[17:04]
lphuberdeau	note to the world, I do not respond to PM (lost my password many years ago, 2 days after getting it changed for the same reason)	[17:05]
ohertel	hm, how do I force a folder from SVN repository to disc again? I accidently deleted .svn in the cache folder.. ,)	[17:05]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Thanks. I'll probably turn on my WYSIWYG then.	[17:05]
nyloth	SEWilco2: Be warned it's an experimental feature in 2.0	[17:06]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 writes down the note to the world on the wall, for later broadcast when he becomes famous. nyloth: Even worse, I'm using 1.9.11 where it's not labeled whether experimental.	[17:06]
nyloth	ohertel: rm -rf ./temp/cache ; svn revert temp/cache or svn update temp/cache	[17:07]
ohertel	ah, revert it was. .P thanks.	[17:07]
nyloth	SEWilco2: Ouch, 1.9.11 ? Are you working in a museum ? ;p	[17:07]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Working with customers concerned about security and stability. Little documentation of 2.0 stability.	[17:08]
ohertel	Probably working in a bank. ^^	[17:09]
nyloth	SEWilco2: 2.0 should be more secure and quite stable	[17:09]
SEWilco2	Yeah, I noticed the category group permission in 2.0 which I need. I have one internal wiki. I'll try 2.0 on that.	[17:10]
nyloth	:)	[17:10]
SEWilco2	Let's see... lunch, convert to 2.0, wiki training meeting in 3.5 hours... yeah, this will be either good or interesting.	[17:11]
ohertel	tw.o is based on a svn checkout now, so updates should be easier. :)	[17:11]
nyloth	lunch, backups, convert to 2.0, ... ohertel: ok :) ohertel: as dev.tw.o ;p	[17:11]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Nope, I just set up the wiki which I'll convert to 2.0. No data. Will actually be testing if conversion scripts fail with no data.	[17:13]
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Petjal2	Hi all. I'd like to include some of the new user's user-tracker info in tiki-edit_templates.php?template=mail/moderate_validation_mail.tpl (That's the email that gets sent to the admin to approve the new user that just tried to register. The admin would like to know a little about the user before approving them.) Can someone please teach me to fish in that pond? Thanks.	[17:29]
marclaporte	marclaporte would like to taste Petjal2's fish as well	[17:31]
Petjal2	:) Looking in other .tpls, in ./templates/tiki-plugin_trackerlist.tpl I see tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId={$trackerId}&itemId={$items[user maybe that's a start...	[17:33]
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Petjal2	yesterday sylvieg gave me this: $mok = wikiplugin_trackeritemfield('y', array('fieldId'=>1, 'test'=>1, 'value'=>'y')); to put in a .php file	[17:39]
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Darkbee	Hello all	[17:39]
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Petjal2	OK, let's make it simpler. I can send a link to the admin like so: http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-user_information.php?userId=28 where 28 is the new user's id. So, I need to generalize it to something like: http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-user_information.php?userId={$mail_userid} but I'm just guessing that that is the right variable to use. Is there a list of available variables that I can look up? Or I could use http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-user_information.php?username={$mail_user} but what is the variable name I should use immediately after the ? to make that work?	[17:47]
sylvieg	try view_user	[17:52]
priti	security.tikiwiki.org http says connect timeout	[17:52]
Petjal2	Ooh, sylvieg is good, really good! How's that taste, marclaporte?! Yummy! Ugh: You do not have permission to write the template ...dropping down to the command line...	[17:54]
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nyloth	priti: thx, if you need to report something, you can send it to security AT tikiwiki.org	[17:59]
priti	ok thnx	[17:59]
luciash	re	[18:00]
nyloth	re	[18:00]
Petjal2	actually, the theme mail template file doesn't exist, so I made a backup and edited ./templates/mail/moderate_validation_mail.tpl and added the lines: {tr}To view the user data, please follow the link:{/tr} http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-user_information.php?view_user={$mail_user} Thanks, sylvieg! Not exactly what I wanted, but good enough for now. (The admin has to click the view-user-data link, review the info, go back to the email, and then finally click the approval link. If the user_info info was in the email, the admin would only have to click the approval link.)	[18:06]
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Petjal2	Is the above 2-line edit to ./templates/mail/moderate_validation_mail.tpl worth committing? (I don't know how and am not approved, otherwise I would, after approval.)	[18:11]
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harold	hi i have a tiki css question if anyone can help	[18:15]
SEWilco2	Steps 2 and 3 of SVN instructions are for updates but are not phrased to indicate whether they are required after step 1 - checking out SVN stable. http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Download#Using_stable_from_SVN_2_x_	[18:18]
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SEWilco2	Hmm. I'll have to port my SEFURL patch to 2.0 also. Well, rewriting 90% of it.	[18:23]
harold	Hi - css question - I created a default2_username css, but none of the styles are showing up when i reference them in my html Do I need to make any other config changes for these styles to show up?	[18:24]
SEWilco2	"Updating with SVN to HEAD is easy." OK, so it's easy. Is HEAD what I just checked out with "svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/2.0" (I don't know if HEAD is a synonym for "the latest available version of -- in this case Stable".)	[18:38]
harold	hi - quick question - how do I disable users' ability to select their own css?	[18:44]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: About your RFC for the core, that I've just read : Great. Only two small comments : 1) For a proposal, maybe diagrams should be optional (depending on the complexity, and done on request) ; 2) for coding standards (for the core), Zend ask to use 4 spaces instead of tabs. We agreed on tabs.	[18:51]
lphuberdeau	ok, that can be ammended ;) I think I mentionned something about diagrams	[18:52]
nyloth	ok, I let you make those small changes if you agree	[18:54]
lphuberdeau	one about tabs is in Ideally the proposal should contain code samples demonstrating how the component will be used and diagrams or interfaces explaining how it will be implemented.	[18:55]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: btw, lphuberdeau, thanx for your recent work, I like it :)	[18:55]
lphuberdeau	you mean inserting security issues in the installer?	[18:56]
nyloth	LOL no, not this one ;p but everybody make mistakes sometimes	[18:56]
	harold: hi, you should have 'Reg users can change theme:' in admin > login harold: well, for 1.9.x I'm not sure, but at least in 2.0	[19:02]
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SEWilco2	Uh... 2.0 stable says to use "tiki_1.8to1.9" to upgrade DB from 1.9. Is there an extra entry in that table, which made 2.0 put 1.9 out of alignment?	[19:22]
Petjal2	In ./templates/mail/moderate_validation_mail.tpl , I hard coded my path as http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-user_information.php?view_user={$mail_user} which worked perfectly for me, but of course I can't commit that, I have to generalize the url. Elsewhere in that file is {$mail_machine} but that apparently points down to http://domain.com/<tw-root>/tiki-login_validate.php . Does anyone know what variable I should use in this case?	[19:23]
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Petjal2	I found $mail_site but that doesn't give the tw root, just the domain.com part.	[19:32]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 discovers what the earlier chatter about st<x>yle was about.	[20:01]
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SEWilco2	Hmm. I came in partway of the st<x>yle discussion. Don't know if it breaking "Custom Home" was mentioned. That's odd. Tried WYSIWYG. Save emitted 404 "The requested URL /HomePage&saved_msg=y was not found on this server." but the page was saved. Probably .htaccess needs tuning. Oops, I forgot to htaccess.sh after conversion.	[20:13]
harold	thanks nyloth - I knew that was it, but had a hard time finding the right screen	[20:26]
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nyloth	harold: you're welcome SEWilco2: I don't see the relation between Custom Home and st<x>yle SEWilco2: Btw, you can test the last branches/2.0 if you want ;)	[20:28]
luciash	nyloth: better to keep <x> related discussions for other place ;)	[20:33]
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luciash	hi nelson :)	[20:36]
nyloth	luciash: sure, but, btw what is commited may have to be tested :) luciash: did you recently have a look at <x> stuff ? ;p	[20:38]
luciash	nyloth: yep, and it sucks :) well, i was wrong with common text, sorry but still, having it in code listings...	[20:51]
Petjal2	I'm trying to tweak tiki-login_validate.php to get it to give me a variable like {$mail_twroot} that returns something like "http://domain.com/tw2/" so that I can use that in the email to goes to the admin to approve a new user that just registered. In this section: $foo = parse_url($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]); $foo1 = str_replace('tiki-login_validate','tiki-login_scr',$foo['path']); $machine =$tikilib->httpPrefix().$foo1; $smarty->assign('mail_machine',$machine); I should be able to parrot that like so: $foo2 = str_replace('tiki-login_validate','',$foo['path']); $twroot =$tikilib->httpPrefix().$foo2; $smarty->assign('mail_twroot',$twroot); but that just returns null for {$mail_twroot} in the email. Any ideas?	[21:01]
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Petjal2	{$mail_machine} returns http://domain.com/tw2/tiki-login_validate.php nicely, so I was just hoping to replace tiki-login_validate.php with null... Looking at it for the 10^6 time, I now see that maybe I can simply use: $twroot =$tikilib->httpPrefix(); //doh! but that still gives me null in the email to the admin. Maybe I need to declare or pass the new variable $mail_twroot somewhere somehow?	[21:13]
franck	nyloth: hi nyloth: priti was indicating that the site security.tw.o was down, it was down for about 30mn srishti: otabz: you here?	[21:18]
srishti	yah	[21:19]
otabz	yea	[21:19]
srishti	yah, the security.tw.o site is up now. security site went down around 5.30am and we informed marclaporte and it came back up at around 6am marclaporte did not reply so we were told to emaile at security@tikiwiki.org	[21:20]
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franck	marclaporte: srishti: otabz: /join #tikiwiki-monitor if any of you is managing the hosting of a tw.o site please meet in #tikiwiki-monitor	[22:00]
srishti	/join#tikiwiki-monitor	[22:01]
franck	lphuberdeau: you here?	[22:07]
lphuberdeau	yes	[22:12]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Sorry, not "Custom Home", but "Custom Site Header" is broken by st<x>yle. Using <style> is not possible in "Custom Site Header" in tiki-admin.php?page=look argh. I mean using <div style=> is not possible. Gets altered to <div st<x>yle=...>.	[22:23]
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nyloth	SEWilco2: with the very last version also ?	[22:40]
SEWilco2	nyloth 2.0 stable. Haven't tried bleeding edge.	[22:42]
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nyloth	SEWilco2: I was talking about the last branches/2.0 svn SEWilco2: Ok, forgot, it can't work, yes	[22:44]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Whatever. I arrived partway through the conversation, and I don't know the SVN terminology. I merely noticed that I couldn't use my old HTML incantation because of st<x>yle.	[22:46]
nyloth	SEWilco2: I think you should find infos on dev.tikiwiki.org . The page is SVNTips or something like that if I remember well You're right, yes I need to find a fix, but you probably should not use style in this field. If you have your own theme and css file, it will be better to put things in your .css file instead	[22:47]
SEWilco2	Looks like 2.0 stable is mostly working for me. The "Search" in menu seems to not be full-text (like "search-new" module). Enabled full text search module as a workaround. nyloth: I was only trying to use style for size and centering, and trying to do it in a way a client could do without needing file-level access. nyloth: I was able to use <h2><center> instead..although I think <center> is deprecated.	[22:50]
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lphuberdeau	well, maybe we could drop sanitization for tiki-admin.php	[22:52]
nyloth	SEWilco2: could you open a ticket on dev.tikiwiki.org for the bugs you find (like Search menu) SEWilco2: but not for <x>, since it's a work in progress	[22:55]
SEWilco2	The Search in the menu is supposed to do full text search?	[22:55]
nyloth	SEWilco2: No, but if I remember well there is two different scripts for full text or the other method... and the menu should give you the right one depending on which feature you activated... which is not done yet (apparently fulltext is not supported) lphuberdeau: Maybe, yes. I was about developing a smarty modifier to use it in some places like this {$my_var\|unsanitize} or {$my_var\|trusted_html} ... but your idea is better if he problem is limited to admin panels only	[22:56]
SEWilco2	Yeah, I only saw one "Search" checkbox. Will report.	[22:58]
lphuberdeau	in most cases it will be	[22:58]
nyloth	SEWilco2: by the way, you should test the other method (not using mysql fulltext) and see if it's not better. As you wish.	[22:59]
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SEWilco2	nyloth: It's not finding stuff, but this customer will be using it for document management and needs full text search.	[23:01]
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SEWilco2	Hmm. Normal search should find my search terms. Doc says "# Wiki Pages : page name, description, data " and these words are in Wiki "data".	[23:04]
nyloth	SEWilco2: in tiki, "full text" means "mysql full text" ... but the other search methods are also "full text" in the way the index all fields too... test both to see what fits best your needs	[23:06]
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SEWilco2	Yeah, I see the two search modes only differ in how they rank/present results. If one finds "orange" in text, the other should also.	[23:07]
nyloth	yes, and they don't use at all the same internal mechanisms	[23:08]
sylvieg	when another 2.0 release is planned?	[23:09]
lphuberdeau	I'm just waiting on nyloth to confirm the filtering thing ;)	[23:10]
sylvieg	I sent a maill to security - I did not have time to fix it now - will do tomorrow	[23:11]
lphuberdeau	marclaporte: what is the status on the changelog? sylvieg.. that is not really a security issue... it's a bug, but not a security now... how many people use non-plublic articles?	[23:12]
nyloth	SEWilco2: please get the last version of TikiWiki 2.0 from SVN to test if it is ok now for your site header code.	[23:15]
lphuberdeau	I wouldn't mind seeing a fix in 2.0, but wouldn't delay the RC for that	[23:15]
SEWilco2	Is the way to get the "last version" what is labeled as "future 3.0"? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Download#Using_Dev_branch_from_SVN_trunk_future_3_x_	[23:16]
lphuberdeau	last version from 2.0 ... trunk is 3.0, but all fixes are not there yet	[23:16]
nyloth	sylvieg: same as lph, it can be fixed later, not a blocker IMHO	[23:17]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : changelog hasn't changed much	[23:18]
lphuberdeau	we're getting ready to release... are you? :)	[23:18]
marclaporte	hehe this is it: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tikiwiki+2.0	[23:18]
lphuberdeau	sourceforge asks me for a changelog when I do the file release	[23:19]
marclaporte	just point to that page	[23:20]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: I thought you wanted to make an RC3 before releasing, no ? But as you wish	[23:20]
lphuberdeau	yes but basically, next week is very likely to be a release	[23:20]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: ok, I prefer an RC3 to make sure sanitization is tested sure	[23:20]
lphuberdeau	just making sure everything is getting in place ;)	[23:21]
nyloth	ok for me (RC3 today, release in one week if no major critical problem :)	[23:21]
SEWilco2	nyloth: I tried 2.0 'svn update' but all it did was restore my _htaccess files. That doesn't look like there is a new 2.0 stable.	[23:21]
marclaporte	yay!	[23:21]
lphuberdeau	sewilico2, what does svn info give you?	[23:21]
nyloth	In fact I have a quite important fix to do for the filegals that make them unusable in certain cases, but I can do it between RC3 and stable.	[23:22]
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nyloth	(well ... by important I meant that it is needed, but not that it is huge ;)	[23:23]
SEWilco2	nyloth: http://sh.nu/p/24745 Oh, those filegals! I don't know what I'd do if the gals didn't have a fresh cup of coffee and files!	[23:23]
nyloth	:)	[23:24]
lphuberdeau	ok, that seems up to date	[23:24]
SEWilco2	Bug 1696 mentions "even if wiki search index is requested to refresh ". Is there an index refresh option in some Admin page someplace, or is that a MySql admin task?	[23:25]
nyloth	yes, so, SEWilco2, you should not have your problem anymore for Custom header	[23:25]
kerrnel	Moo	[23:26]
nyloth	SEWilco2: in admin > search , there is a refresh link	[23:26]
SEWilco2	Huh. You're right, no st<x>yle.	[23:27]
nyloth	:)	[23:28]
SEWilco2	Huh. I hadn't noticed the big Search icon before.	[23:29]
lphuberdeau	I fired up the pre-packaging	[23:30]
nyloth	ok	[23:30]
lphuberdeau	feels good not to have to handle secdb	[23:31]
SEWilco2	nyloth: "Found "ja<x>vascript" in 0 pages " Might that be of interest?	[23:33]
nyloth	marclaporte: about http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tikiwiki+2.0 ... I don't like the fact that screenshots are using different themes and are not in english for some of them... maybe should we replace them by text only ? SEWilco2: mmhhh... not that important/urgent IMO, but may have to think about this, yes.	[23:34]
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nyloth	SEWilco2: don't hesitate to send me a mail for those problems (nyloth AT tikiwiki.org)	[23:36]
marclaporte	bad screenshot could be better than no screenshot	[23:36]
SEWilco2	nyloth: I did a search for javascript from the Search menu option. http://wiki.example.com/tiki-searchindex.php?highlight=javascript&where=pages&search=Go	[23:36]
marclaporte	I have no strong opinion but we have very little people-power on this at the moment	[23:36]
nyloth	marclaporte: in our case, I think it's worse... but do what you feel is better marclaporte: don't reduce yourself like this ;p	[23:37]
marclaporte	I am backlogged at the moment, can't lead anything so anyone is encouraged to lead :-)	[23:38]
nyloth	:) I'm too busy too security has stolen me a lot of hours...	[23:38]
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marclaporte	only thing I may do is a few fixes to admin panel	[23:39]
nyloth	marclaporte: security and major fixes only, right ? ;)	[23:40]
marclaporte	and changing defaults putting some stuff to experimental	[23:41]
nyloth	mmmmh... :)	[23:44]
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lphuberdeau	had to start over... versions were wrong :(	[23:47]
SEWilco2	Heh. Bug 1911 is on the bug tracker. "javascript" is the word which must not be spoken to bug tracker.	[23:47]
lphuberdeau	yeah, tiki does not like that you talk about potentially harmful stuff	[23:48]
kerrnel	Anyone who used the updated SLVN in 1.9x, I've committed SLV2 to the trunk. Works even better than it did in 1.9 for breaking out trackers...like it was supposed to.	[23:48]
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kerrnel	I managed to fix the div formatting, so it appears nice and clean, and everythign rolls up properly.	[23:50]
lphuberdeau	again	[23:50]
marclaporte	can we consider Swffix as experimental? can we consider HTML Purifier as experimental? (like WYSIWYG)	[23:50]
SEWilco2	Ick. Can't search resumes stored in TikiWiki for "javascript".	[23:51]
kerrnel	I know a lot of folks were looking forward to wysiwyg in 2.0	[23:51]
marclaporte	yes, that's why I want to lower expectations	[23:52]
kerrnel	Has it officially be sidelined for the release or still being worked on?	[23:52]
lphuberdeau	just not happy with the way it works... does not play nice with wiki syntax (I think)	[23:52]
kerrnel	I know I tried using it the other day when I first installed 2.0 and tried pulling up a wiki page in the editor and it came up as a stream of text with no formatting.	[23:53]
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SEWilco2	Aha. I'm staring at a Wiki page full of lines which begin "yle=...". So your mention of WYSIWYG is related to my ja<x>vascript problem. I don't have Swffx turned on, so I take it that HTML Purifier is what is doing <x>.	[23:58]

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