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vel007Ok, I've told the quick_edit module to display to Administrator, Registered, and Anonymous but for some reason it is only displaying to the Adminstrator. Any idea on how I can fix that? [00:03]
amettevel007: probably others don't have the permissions to edit wiki pages [00:16]
vel007hmmm, that would make sense.
I thought I had changed that but I could have easily skipped it over
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franckamette: can you post an article on info.tw.o ? [00:20]
amettefranck: don't think so - but let me see... [00:20]
franckamette: would be cool to announce RC4
so I can pass the link...
see my comments above to nyloth
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amettetrue, yeah, I saw those comments - but nope, I can't!
tried to access tiki-edit_article.php directly and I get "Access denied"
sorry :-/
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franckI hope marc will show up soon
by the way in the tw distribution there is no hosts.txt file?
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ametteyup, let's hope for him - RC3 was pretty unannounced also... but I think with RC4 we should be in a situation that really is announcable again
hosts.txt? what's that? why should there be?
I know /etc/hosts and the C:windowssystemsomethinghosts - but hosts.txt is new to me....?
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franckhuh sorry robots.txt [00:25]
ametteah - LOL - ok :P
hmm, ok, have we ever had that?
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franckI found one... on old version [00:25]
ametteI mean: it's interesting for denying access to non-accessable stuff.... so e.g. like templates_c/ - but that' not really accessible anyways, I hope...
I wouldn't care about that for 2.0 actually...
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vel007amette: thanks, got it working. [00:26]
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amette... let's rather care about building some sitemaps.xml for 3.0 and in that same push handle some smart decisions about robots.txt
vel007 - you're welcome.............
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Aluminok, question about the "view source" button on the wiki pages...I asked this yesterday but then got called away (doh) ... how can I disable that feature (or better yet, restrict it to admins, but just disabling it altogether would work as well) [00:27]
ametteAlumin: if you don't find it in the permissions administration it's a bug [00:28]
Aluminit used to be there :)
Admin -> Wiki ?
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amettethen it's there ;)
no - permissions
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Aluminoh the group permissions setup you mean...yeah it's not in there [00:28]
franckwell, I have the old google again, generating GB of traffic, by looping on trackers... [00:29]
Aluminsylvieg was saying it was tiki_p_edit yesterday, but I think I may have phrased the question incorrectly because it can't be tied to the same permission, can it? [00:29]
amettewell, I have it there in a checkout from about a week ago [00:29]
franckbut that's on an old version of tw... [00:29]
amettetiki_p_view_source just as your question implied [00:30]
Aluminok let me check again, I thought I did a text search for "source" on the permissions page and got no matches [00:31]
ametteand yes - everything in Tiki is a Feature and a Permission! - so you need to check both! [00:31]
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amettewell, a text search won't help you, if you still got 20 pages of permissions to go - rather use the Tiki-internal permissions-search then....
ah, ok - apparantly it _is_ possible to show all the permissions on one page in Tiki-administration - so yes, a text-search might help ;)
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ricks99anyone having issues with 2.0 in svn? i get an error: PROPFIND request failed: could not read status line. An existing connection was forcibily closed by remote host. [00:33]
amettesounds like sf.net badliness - no other info on that, sorry [00:35]
ricks99k. wasnt sure if it was global or just me. tx [00:35]
Aluminamette: ok, I don't have the word "source" on either Admin->Wiki or the permissions assignment page [00:36]
Caarrie[Wed 3:10:26 pm] <Caarrie> "Subversion service and its accompanying web viewer, ViewVC, will be offline
[Wed 3:10:26 pm] <Caarrie> on 2008-07-30 from 17:00 Pacific for not more than 12 hours to permit a
[Wed 3:10:26 pm] <Caarrie> rebuild of the storage used by the service, followed by further performance
[Wed 3:10:26 pm] <Caarrie> tuning"
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ricks99tx caarrie [00:36]
Caarrieyw [00:36]
ametteAlumin: ok, then you'd better upgrade from your four year old version of Tiki... ;) [00:36]
Aluminthis is 1.9.7 [00:36]
ricks99*rick wishes for nicer, less cryptic error messages [00:36]
ametteAlumin: ok, then first upgrade to 1.9.11 for security reasons - but apart from that: you're still not finding something that _really_ is there!
Caarrie: thanks! :)
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Caarrieyw [00:38]
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Caarriehttp://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=2981&page&replies=1 [00:38]
kerrnel22Anyone having trouble connectig to sourceforge? [00:38]
Caarrie^^ [00:38]
ricks99lol [00:38]
Aluminamette: it's definitely called "tiki_p_view_source"? [00:38]
kerrnel22that answers my question lol [00:39]
Caarriegood timing to post that link :P [00:39]
amettekerrnel22: http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-07-31,Thu&sel=53#l49 [00:39]
ricks99btw. anyone know why http://irc.tikiwiki.org is stuck in the past? [00:39]
AluminI'm not super-concerned about security since this is an internal LAN server, but thanks for the tip [00:39]
ametteAlumin: yes
Alumin: no :P
Alumin: tiki_p_wiki_view_source of course
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kerrnel22thanks amette [00:40]
ametteyw [00:40]
Aluminoh...ok, well either way it has "source" in the name...hmm [00:40]
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ricks99@amette: ur irc log is very nice. should it be used instead of the default http://irc.tikiwiki.org [00:41]
amettericks99: yes, that is the plan actually - as it is searchable and linkable directly to some quote - we are still working on getting some dedicated server for it (and then probably doc.tw.o as it's got the highest load) - this is the first test-setup for it
thanks for the praise! :)
it was first set up and tested at TikiFest Strasbourg actually ;)
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ricks991 suggestion... reverse the sort order. place newest at top.
other than that... perfect :)
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ametteyeah, that could probalby be hackable easily...
.. thanks! :)
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ricks99... or make each column title clickable/sortable :) [00:43]
amettewell, that will be harder to hack... ;) [00:44]
ricks99... give me an inch, i'll take a foot [00:44]
amette... but that could be some kind of Tiki-mods/plugin project... ;)
hehe, ok ;)
amette hands ricks99 an inch :P
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CaarrieCaarrie takes a foot from ricks99 [00:45]
ricks99:( [00:45]
amette*g*
ricks99: be happy - you got what you wanted ;)
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Caarriehehe [00:45]
ricks99i see u include the log in twiki syntax... how about in tw, and we could add a 'live' scroller on tw.o :) [00:46]
Aluminok..."cd /usr/share/tikiwiki ; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -H view_source" ... no results :)
must be a packaging problem
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ametteyeah, I didn't code that - it's actually http://colas.nahaboo.net/software/irclogger/ - which is a more or less bad webapp, but insanely fast! - I already thought of doing Tiki-syntax, too - but that (imho) would mean recoding those scripts in PHP and then doing the TikiWiki syntax.... [00:48]
Aluminalthough I'd expect that to be a feature missing that I expected to see, not a feature present that I'm trying to remove :) [00:48]
amette... nothing toooo difficult as the logic is there already, but still work! ;)
Alumin: a simple "grep -r view_source" should do
and it surely is no packaging problem
$ grep -r view_source *
I mean
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ricks99* now that rick can browse the irc archive, he can (try) to help.... [00:50]
Aluminyeah, I tried the regular grep first but it didn't work, figured I'd go all the way hehe [00:50]
ricks99@Alumin: want to disable the "vew source" button? simply disable the featuer on admin; wiki. no need to fool with the permissions [00:50]
Aluminricks99: that's the problem, I don't have a checkbox for it in the admin either [00:50]
ricks99on tiki-admin.php?page=wiki [00:51]
ametteAlumin: you have for sure in your version!
it's in the right column pretty much on the top
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ricks99using a custom template maybe? [00:51]
Aluminnope, just installed a few days ago
sandbox, anonymous editors must..., last changes, dump, export, rating, history, list pages, backlinks...
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ricks99..very odd... [00:52]
Aluminno kidding [00:53]
ricks991.9.7? [00:53]
Aluminyes [00:53]
ametteAlumin: You are _REALLY_ sure that you are in the right place???
There is no permission called backlinks at all!
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AluminI'm on "Administration: Wiki"
tiki-admin.php?page=wiki
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ametteyeah, ok, that's not permissions, but that's features - but still: There is a checkbox telling you "View source" [00:54]
ricks99"View source" option was added at a later date. [00:54]
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amettericks99: really?!?? :O [00:54]
ricks99note that the screen on doc.tw.o (http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+config#_Wiki_features) doesn't have it eaither [00:54]
amettewow - ok - so we fixed a regression after 1.9.7 that I wasn't aware of ;)
but ok - still you gotta be able to "fix" this by upgrading to a secure (and maintained) release
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ricks99(or just hack the TPL and remove the button) [00:56]
amettericks99: true - very nice finding! :) [00:56]
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ametteamette is the topicinator ;) [01:04]
ricks99"only" 1.11? too bad for Alumin :) [01:06]
ametteyeah, Alumin made me realize that ;)
we still have an open discussion from TikiFest Strasbourg about how far back we will support.....
... as we are now changing release cycle to major-release every half a year...
... I figured that we will break with the old release cycle totally.. ;)
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ricks99* rick is grabbing 2.0RC4.. can't wait to test drive it... [01:07]
amette.. so only the last one of the old release cycle (1.9.11) can be supported to get more resources for concentrating on future releases! [01:08]
Aluminhmm...well just FYI I'm using the (K)ubuntu package, that's why it's 1.9.7 despite my having just installed it (and why I thought the problem might be package-related) [01:08]
ametteAlumin: ah, ok - that's a really good information - thank you very much!! [01:08]
Aluminglad to hear there are plans for short release cycles, though...look how much it helped Ubuntu over Debian :) [01:08]
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ametteAlumin: we had a Debian-packager once.... not sure of the current state (and not at all about upstreaming to (K)Ubuntu)
Alumin: yeah, that was one of the arguments in favour of it!
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Aluminok, so now my question is, how can I disable the view source feature? by ripping code out if necessary, heh [01:09]
amettebest way is to just install a recent version by hand!! really!! [01:10]
Aluminhere's the trouble...say I use the "GROUP" wiki plugin...anybody can just hit "source" and see the whole page regardless
I reported this as a security issue many moons ago, perhaps that's why view source is a permission now :)
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amettemight be - you still remember the bug-number or have a link? [01:11]
Aluminbut now it's come up again...anyway thanks for the info, I'll see if it's important enough to install outside the package system [01:11]
ricks99@Alumn: i believe the permission is tiki_p_wiki_view_history
not view_source
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AluminI think history is the revision history [01:11]
ricks99u can also simply edit the tiki-page_bar.tpl and just remove the button completly [01:11]
amettebut really - Tiki is easy to install - no need for a debian-package - you are much better off following our release cycles instead of relying on the Kubuntu ones... [01:12]
Aluminyou're probably right
but I like packages! :P
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amette... though if you can help push our releases upstream quicker - you're welcome for sure! :)
Alumin: hehe - ok, granted! ;)
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Aluminit's an interesting problem...packaging Tiki itself should be super-easy, it's basically a directory of scripts and a database [01:13]
ametteyep, I think so, too - we have one guy doing it for Gentoo... [01:13]
Aluminthe problem I ran into when I thought about packaging it myself back in the 1.6 days was upgrading [01:13]
amette...and I'm a harcore-Gentoo-user - and still I don't use his package... ;P [01:13]
AluminI remember during the 1.6 -> 1.7 upgrade process, I tried to put together a real authoratative upgrade document and never really felt good about it
I knew I'd never want to try and turn it into a script that Joe User would be expecting to just run in the package pre-install and Just Work(tm)
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ametteyeah, well, it is really hard to cover our upgrade process (as easy as it is) into the upgrade process of some distribution (especially if it is as strict and fucked-up as the debian one) [01:15]
Alumins/authoratative/authoritative/ [01:15]
ametteamette nods [01:15]
Aluminwell I was just trying to get source-based upgrade instructions
but I'm sure it's improved a lot, I haven't really looked at it since then, just re-installed
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amettebasically: replace the files (directory-based is even better) and then run the DB-upgrade script - I don't know _ANY_ other webapp that can do it that easily!! [01:16]
Aluminevery time I need a new Tiki site, there's a new minor version release anyway hehe [01:16]
amettehehe ;)
well, the only thing one has to take care of is running the DB-upgrade....
... but that alone poses enough problems for a distribution-based upgrade...
... ask for all the databases (especially with MultiTikis)....
... aks for the passwords...
...skip those that should not be upgraded....
... and so on...
just go with a decent self-install...
... and you'll even get decent support in here! :P
Really: it's just PHP... :)
.... put it in a directory and run your database...
... you know what you do - but some install-script (especially the Debian-folks are a bit hubris-loaded in that they don't accept much) just can't figure out everything...
... I like the Gentoo way in that - and I most probably could even go with the Gentoo webapp-installer here...
... I still don't do that - it just adds more overhead as it brings advantage to me... I loose too much flexibility!
I am a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge fan of staying with the basic install-mechanism of you distribution....
... but if it is something like TikiWiki (or any other webapp) living in just one directory - yeah, well.... fu$# that! ;)
amette is the guy shouting at his colleagues at work that start to compile their Python by foot instead of using the distribution mechanisms...
... but ok - I had enough lines in here now! ;)
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chibaguy20rc4 looking good. :-) [01:49]
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amettechibaguy: cool! :)
amette didn't test it yet
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chibaguyamette, I only tested commas so far. ;-) [02:26]
amettechibaguy: ROFL :P [02:26]
chibaguyYour mail about committing was interesting to read. I think communication is the key, for new features, etc.
Well, for any significant code changes, etc....
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amettechibaguy: thank you - yes, I think you hit the spot: "Communication is the key!" :)
yup, yup - overcommunication is a burden also - we need to find a delicate balance! :)
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chibaguyOne problem is we have a number of choices about where/how to communicate. For example, for 1.10/2.0 there was a checklist page at tw.o, also the bug tracker at dev.tw.o, and so on. I sometimes had a feeling "I wonder who will see this comment..."
Also the mailing lists, but sometimes people don't keep up with reading.
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ametteyeah, we always had those problems - it is difficult to e.g. communicate by trackers as they are not really maintained....
yep, devel-list is also a good choice - but difficult as people stop reading (I experience it with myself - sometime it just becomes too time-consuming to fit into my rl)
amette sometimes wonders if the squad-approach of marclaporte is the right one...
still I think, if some kind of coordination between those squads would make sense - but how should that look like?
Mozilla is one fancily interesting example!! They are huge and there one hand doesn't know what the fifth does.... ;)
... still they produce one exhilaratingly great browser and the support infrastructure around it! :)
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chibaguyyep [02:37]
ametteif we want to achieve what marclaporte wants ( 10k users in the upcoming years ) - then we will need to think about scaling....
... and scaling bascially works with the basic TikiWiki model very, very well - but we wanna keep up the quality and even rise it!! :)
So we need to think ahead already now! :)
amette thinks that this is very exciting :)
and I think we will manage to do that - but don't have to forget about thinking about that ;)
actually better quality - that is what I think e.g. of you, luciash and Patrick being able to do together - the "old guys" would know how to do CSSs for Tiki and the "new guy" would bring in disturbing ideas...
... I think that this could really make some great styles for Tiki that would even stand current Web2.x hype! :)
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chibaguy:-) [02:42]
amette:) [02:43]
chibaguyHeading toward 3.0, we can see more how to work things out. Again, the communication is at the center. [02:44]
ametteyes, we need to find a way to communicate the "Road Map" to every contributor and that in some collaborative fashion...
... something that will really make it easy to make coders/webizens/stylers/and users just alike and let them share their ideas - while sticking to some general release cycle of half-a-year! :)
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chibaguyOur dog food is improving as a tool for doing that: long wiki pages are hard to read and edit, but the new section editing in 2.0 makes it much easier. :-) [02:47]
ametteyep, that is some _awesome_ feature!!! :D [02:48]
chibaguy(imaging a road map page where you can edit one step only.) [02:48]
ametteyeah, cool! :)
imagine a raod map, which is influenced by trackers... ;)
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chibaguyYeah, could be great. [02:49]
ametteI think so, too! Possibilities are many - we just have to dream!
And find a process which can bind it all together!
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chibaguyImagine also linking to relevant mail list posts and irc discussions.
...in a shadowbox popup maybe ;-)
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amettewoooow :D [02:53]
chibaguykind of a roadmap mashup [02:53]
ametteyeah, that would be truely awesome - and all that being dynamic! :) [02:54]
chibaguyorganic [02:54]
ametteactually nothing impossible...
yeah, organic! :)
... just something that we _need to do_!
I mean: we have some very open community - so we really _can_ do it! :)
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ametteit's 'only' a question of manpower! ;) [02:55]
chibaguyYeah, completely possible. Just need to bring the parts together and refine. [02:55]
ametteyup, yup :) [02:55]
chibaguyThere's the social level, and the tools level, to think about. [02:57]
ametteyeah, TikiWiki really is an "environment" as a whole - it really has a technical and a social level - both are equally important.... and synchronizing those (if ever possible by some general system that can cover both) is really some interesting and challenging task! :)
but I have to go to bed now ( 0500 o'clock here ) - very nice talking to you again, chiba! :)
cu, man! :)
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chibaguyalways a pleasure, amette. :-) [03:00]
amette:) [03:00]
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chibaguyHi luciash [07:23]
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zorp:) [10:28]
mstefhi, i have two file galleries, but the overall rss feed for file galleries shows only the contents of the first gallery, no matter whether i set the other one as the main gallery in admin:file galleries.
the files in the other file gallery also do no show up, if i make it a sub-gallery of the gallery which has it's contents displayed in the rss feed.
anyone available for some guessing?
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luciashhi mstef, check permissions of the file gallery ? [10:39]
mstefyes
luciash: i am doing this as admin
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luciashdoes the other file gallery have read permissions for anonymous ?
imho rss feeds are always for public
doesn't matter if you're admin or not, it always displays the same
i think ;)
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mstefluciash: you're quite right. afaicr - and i've been digging rss code a lot lately - the rss feeds only check whether $tiki_p_view_something is set, so individual object permissions do not apply here.
luciash: but i also commited a patch, that enables authenticated rss feeds. 2 weeks earlier into trunk.
luciash: but file gallery feeds weren't working at all for me previously.
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mstefluciash: i had to add $recursive=true in tikilib to the list_files function, so that it at least listed one file gallery, which i only noticed now, when i added a second one.
i mean i only noticed now, that only one gallery is listed, not all.
now i am confronted with this huge sql query in tikilib: get_files, and hope that someone knows how it works.
luciash: i checked the permissions, and anonymous, has zero. that means he wouldn't also be able to see the very first gallery.
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luciashthat's weird then that the first gallery is shown if it doesn't have tiki_p_view... set [10:56]
mstefyes, but if i check the rss feed, when i'm logged in, then my access rights apply and i see the content
i mean, i load the feed when i am logged in, and in that case my tiki_p_view is used, not that of anonymous.
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luciashah, ok, then i must admit i didn't check your contribution and might be there's some bug... [10:59]
mstefso i believe it is correct to show the contents of that gallery, it is not correct, that the other gallery contents are not shown. [10:59]
luciashthat i don't know of, sorry [10:59]
mstefluciash: i guess this has nothing to do with my contribution.
luciash: i tried it with anonymous, added tiki_p_view_file_galleries to his group, and still have the same output.
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luciashmust be a bug, yes, because tw.o also shows only one gallery or even only one file out of that... dunno when it got introduced and sorry i have no time to dig it off now... feel free to dig more ;)
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-file_galleries_rss.php?ver=2
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mstefnice example
i am digging. but can you tell who knows more about this get_files function?
i am atm trying to make sense of the generated sql query, maybe i'll find the flaw.
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luciashmaybe sylvieg but i cannot tell, really [11:08]
sylviegmstef: I have a syntax error with freetags.php with your last commit [11:11]
luciashcheck some dev articles on dev.tw.o which can help you with debugging, e.g. http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hello+World
hello sylvieg :)
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mstefsylvieg: i do?
sylvieg: i'll correct asap
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sylviegand mstef are you sure about this fix - it is not a fix to be done in sections.php
I must admit - my last fix on the freetag type is nto perhaps the best...
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mstefsylvieg: dunno, must check sections.php [11:18]
sylviegit happens when you add freetag on blog post? [11:19]
mstefyes. [11:19]
luciashbtw, all: is there any reason to have image galleries rss switched off on tw.o ? [11:21]
sylviegluciash: no idea
mstef I haev the impression taht in sections.php threr is itemObjectType='blog post' that is missing
it would avoid to do the if in freetags.php
and btw mstef as we follows the zend framework for php writing all "blog post" must be replaced with 'blog post'
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mstefsylvieg: ok.
sylvieg: you are right, i will try this, and then revert my commit with this section change together, if it works.
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luciashluciash didn't notice we follow the zend framework now :-o
or what the hell it is ? :-p
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sylvieghttp://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiCoreRFC-1
and I was not in Strasbourf ;-)
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luciashi wasn't there already at that day too :-p
i have already quickly read that wiki page but missed this one ;)
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sylviegit is a proposal - so .... I do not know the status [11:32]
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sylviegbut it is wise for me... [11:32]
mstefsylvieg: yes, you were right, i will reverse my commit, and add itemobjectype to sections.php. it works this way. [11:33]
sylviegthx mstef [11:33]
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sylviegnow the rss... [11:34]
mstefsylvieg: :) [11:34]
luciash_ooops, using ctrl+z in irssi is not the same as in da inkscape :-p
would be nice if someone added to this page and moved it to dev.tw.o ;) → http://tikiwiki.org/TikiLib
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sylviegok I found the bug on files rss [11:41]
mstefwow [11:41]
luciash_sylvieg: +1 :) [11:42]
zorp:)
you are being stingy luciash :)
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luciash_yes, sorry
on tw.o new tracker items: 6 shows six "y" links since my last visit, is that expected behaviour ?
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sylviegfgal rss will be fixed at the next svn up [11:46]
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mstefsylvieg: commited my fix just now. [11:51]
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ricks99_q: with 2.0rc4... when i *upgrade* from an existing tiki, why am i forced to change my admin password upon entering tiki?
i understand forcing on a new install, but why on upgrade?
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luciashricks99_: because it's a bug ;) [11:56]
ricks99_good reason. [11:56]
mstefsylvieg: thanks, the gallery rss feed is correct now. [11:59]
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Caarrie!tikiwiki
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PS|botSVN: Commit by m_stef :: r 13977 /trunk/lib/setup/ (freetags.php sections.php): ( link ) [FIX] correction of commit 13968
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 13976 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: ( link ) [FIX]fgal: rss was giving only one fgal
SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 13975 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.substring.php: ( link ) [NEW] Added a function to be used within Smarty_tiki implementation to pull substrings.
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Caarrieluciash: that better? [12:22]
luciashCaarrie: great ! :) [12:22]
Caarrieuses the rss feed from cia :P [12:22]
luciashwould be nice if it reported without issuing !tikiwiki [12:23]
Caarrieit does
that was just to get it to load the .db file
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luciashah, very nice, then :) [12:23]
Caarrieluciash: !tikiwiki will show the last few commits that were done ;) [12:25]
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ametteah, cool :) [12:31]
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Caarrieif anyone has an eggdrop bot i can give them the script to run ;) [12:32]
luciashCaarrie: put it on a wiki page ;) [12:35]
Caarrieluciash: i did not make the script myself ;) ftp://ftp.kvirc.net/pub/kvirc/tools/kvircrss-2.1.tcl.bz2 [12:36]
Petjal2G'mornin' all. Would someone be able to help me horizontally tile a 1 pixel wide vertical strip under my top banner logo in geo-lite theme? I tried Admin, Look & Feel, General Layout, Site Logo, Site Logo Background Style to Noah Vail. Thanks. [12:49]
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Petjal2I tried various versions of "olive url(geo/vert.gif) repeat" . The perms of my image are the same as those already in the styles/geo dir. BTW, the olive or any other color shows up nicely, but I want the vert.gif, not the color. [12:57]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by m_stef :: r 13977 /trunk/lib/setup/ (freetags.php sections.php): ( link ) [FIX] correction of commit 13968
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 13976 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: ( link ) [FIX]fgal: rss was giving only one fgal
SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 13975 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.substring.php: ( link ) [NEW] Added a function to be used within Smarty_tiki implementation to pull substrings.
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marclaporteyay, we are getting commits in the channel! [13:17]
Caarrie:D [13:18]
Petjal2+1 [13:18]
lphuberdeauI missed those messages
kind of like a heartbeat
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Caarrieas long as you dont stop cia i can still provide them ;) [13:23]
lphuberdeauI have no control over CIA anyhow [13:25]
marclaporteyou can commit and make CIA jump :-) [13:26]
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MacLeod'morning! Does anyone have any online references that talk about the entry of email to the workplace, and the Luddites who opposed it? (I've got a few wiki-Luddites to deal with, and I think it's a useful analogy.) [13:32]
PS|botSVN: [FIX] correction of commit 13968
SVN: [FIX]fgal: rss was giving only one fgal
SVN: [NEW] Added a function to be used within Smarty_tiki implementation to pull...
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lphuberdeauhttp://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001159.html
RC ... "Does this bug kill small children?"
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MatWho_I just did a svn update, my copy was 2 weeks old, and now all wiki pages created before the update are displaying blank. Is there anything better than re-installig the database to get around this. Thanks [13:54]
lphuberdeauthat seems strange
I don't remember changes made to the database in that period
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: the pages are blank, as in nothing at all when you view the source [13:58]
lphuberdeauall pages? [13:58]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: an new page created today is fine [13:58]
lphuberdeaustranger [13:58]
MatWho_shall I just blast the database and try again it will be easy in my case, but I wonder about others [13:59]
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lphuberdeautesting out a few things [14:02]
MatWho_thanks :) [14:02]
lphuberdeauactually, testing out how you can help track down this problem ;)
because there is no way I can reproduce this
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MatWho_great [14:02]
lphuberdeauok so, 2 weeks ago, svn revision was around 13600 some
now we are at 13978
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MatWho_err how can I tell [14:03]
lphuberdeauso what you have to do is revert your local copy half way and see if the problem is still there [14:04]
MatWho_what the previous one was [14:04]
lphuberdeausvn up -r 13850 [14:04]
MatWho_ok [14:04]
lphuberdeauif problem is there, you go further back, say 13725
if it's not, you get closer, like 13925
and just try to narrow down the problem
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MatWho_ok i am doing it now I will tell you where i get [14:05]
lphuberdeauwhen you get pinpoint the version that caused the problem, I may be able to help ;) [14:05]
MatWho_i am on the case :) [14:06]
lphuberdeauthanks
it's a long and tedious task, I should find a way to automate it
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: 13850 it works fine, so going forward! [14:08]
PS|botSVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 13979 /trunk/setup.sh: ( link ) [ENH] speed up the setup script by avoiding double chmod -R on . [14:08]
lphuberdeauone little detail, when you get to a narrow range, make sure you svn log to see which versions were made on your branch... going to avoid reverting to an identical version [14:12]
MatWho_ok
lphuberdeau: its between 1390 and 13950, zooming in now!
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lphuberdeauyay [14:14]
PS|botSVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 13980 /trunk/templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerfilter.tpl: ( link ) [FIX] xhtml validation no empty <tr> tag [14:18]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: its between 13910 and 13915 .. please wait :) [14:21]
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: And the result is: its OK at 13914 but broken at 13915 [14:24]
lphuberdeaugreat! I'll look it up
trunk or 2.0?
13915 is actually my automatic merge back in trunk
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MatWho_how can i check [14:29]
lphuberdeausvn info [14:30]
MatWho_trunk [14:30]
lphuberdeauok, I will need more narrowing down ;)
svn switch branches/2.0
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MatWho_lets go! [14:31]
lphuberdeauwell, with the full svn path
this time, you need to do it from 13877 to 13914
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MatWho_ok [14:31]
lphuberdeaumerges are an aggregate [14:32]
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: svn switch is going slow .. hold on :) [14:40]
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lphuberdeauyeah, those operations take a little while [14:40]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: ok so we are at 18981 its broken so going back [14:49]
lphuberdeauhum... 18981 does not exist yet
but really, 13877 to 13914 is all you need to test
the mere which caused the problem in trunk only contained those changes
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MatWho_ok so i am back to 13877 [14:51]
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: its broken at 13877 so do you want me to go back [14:53]
lphuberdeaugo back 1 version [14:54]
MatWho_ok [14:54]
Petjal2I couldn't get the 1px wide image to tile under the top banner logo (my horizontal striping wouldn't align properly because the background image and the inline image are layed out ever so slightly differently), so I made a Custom Site Header like so:
<table width=100% border=0px cellpadding=0px cellspacing=0px><tr><td width=1%><img src="/tw2/show_image.php?id=3" /></td><td><img src="/tw2/show_image.php?id=14" height=120px width=100% /></td></tr></table>
It works fine (the big banner logo is in the left cell, the 1px wide strip is in the right), but suggestions for improvement welcome, thanks.
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luciashlemme show me your site Petjal2 [14:57]
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: everything is blank now not just the old pages! [14:58]
Petjal2<luciash and petjal3 go IM for sec> How _do_ you guys insert those little status comments anyway? [14:59]
nylothtomb_: around ? [15:00]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: shall I go back further? [15:00]
lphuberdeaumatwho_, which version? [15:00]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: I switched to branches/2.0 [15:01]
lphuberdeaurepository version I mean [15:02]
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MatWho_URL: https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/2.0
Repository Root: https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki
Repository UUID: b456876b-0849-0410-b77d-98878d47e9d5
Revision: 13870
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Petjal2luciash: thanks for this from IM!: <div style="height: 120px; background: transparent url('/tw2/show_image.php?id=14') repeat-x"><img src="/tw2/show_image.php?id=3" /></div> [15:05]
luciashPetjal2: knowing how to work with divs is much better than tables ;) [15:06]
lphuberdeau13877 introduced UI changes that were debated, but I doubt that would cause blank pages [15:07]
Petjal2:) [15:07]
lphuberdeauare you certain about the breakage on trunk from 13914 to 13915? [15:08]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: yes
lphuberdeau: do you want me to go back and check it will take some time
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lphuberdeaureviewing all commits included in that merge [15:13]
nylothMatWho_: Hi, I jump a little late in the discussion, but what's the problem exactly ? [15:14]
lphuberdeaugosh... can't find anything [15:15]
MatWho_i did an svn update on trunk and got blank pages for any old pages new ones erer fine
erer = where
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nylothMatWho_: what do you mean by "pages" ? wiki pages ? [15:17]
MatWho_yes wiki pages, when you viewed the source in the browser there is nothing [15:17]
PS|botSVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 13984 /trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: change minimum memory to 32MB instead of 16MB, since fresh install gives white pages on a kubuntu system with 16MB (reported by Marc G.) [15:18]
nylothNice ! Commits are back here ! :) [15:19]
CaarrieCaarrie worked around the broken CIA-14 [15:19]
nyloththanx Caarie :) [15:20]
Caarrieyw
it is a script i use elsewhere, i just plugged in tikiwiki info
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MatWho_nyloth: any suggstions for the blank pages my max memory is set at 64M [15:22]
nylothMatWho_: did you try on an old page that you didn't access recently and that is not very huge ? [15:31]
MatWho_nyloth: well i tested it by clearing the cache and looking at an old page then a new page the latter worked fine [15:34]
nylothMatWho_: Is it possible, for you, to install another tiki 2.0 RC4 and configure it to use the same database ? [15:36]
MatWho_yesy [15:36]
nyloththis other 2.0 RC4 should ideally be in another location (another path of your server) [15:37]
MatWho_shall I do this, tell me where to get the version you want me to use from exactly so I dont make a mistake [15:37]
nylotheither last version of SVN branches/2.0, either 2.0 RC4 from sourceforge files in project Tikiwiki [15:39]
MatWho_ok I will go for svn it might take 10 mins :) [15:39]
lphuberdeaunyloth, problem seems to have been introduced in the merge at r13915... which includes 13877 to 13914 in 2.0... reviewed everything and I'm blind [15:42]
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lphuberdeaualmost everything in there is installer related or templates/css [15:42]
nylothlphuberdeau: yes, this is why I want to be sure that it's not cache (or something like that) problems (not browser ot tiki cache, but something do to the server itself) [15:48]
lphuberdeaumakes sense [15:49]
nylothMatWho_: ok [15:49]
lphuberdeaubut would be a weird cache behavior to change sporadically between two versions [15:49]
MatWho_nyloth: just getting the code server set up so nearly there [15:50]
nylothlphuberdeau: I had some cases like that, on some hosting, that was giving white pages or even error 500 after an update of a file, so.... [15:50]
lphuberdeauback in a few minutes [15:51]
MatWho_lphuberdeau: ok [15:51]
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MatWho_nyloth: still waiting :) [15:52]
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MatWho_it is going a bit slow today
ok so we have got to the install script!
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: hi just finishing up here [16:08]
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MatWho_nyloth: ok so I have got to the bit where I have an option Reinstall db or Upgrade - waht do you want me to do?
nyloth: hi
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Vi^3PirePengyhey all
i installed tikiwiki last night and im pretty sure that apache and php are running bc i can see apache in a psaux, along with mysql.... i can also run phpmyadmin.. for the life of me i cant get any phpinfo to show up which leads me to believe something is not running properly there along with i cant run the tiki-install.php
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lphuberdeausounds like you place your files in the wrong web root
which OS are you using?
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Vi^3PirePengythey are in /var/www
debian
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lphuberdeaumight be a permission problem
ls -l /var/www
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Vi^3PirePengythe test php file is root root
tikiwiki is user user
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lphuberdeauwhat about permissions? [16:28]
Vi^3PirePengydrwxrwxr-x 22
for tikiwiki
-rw-r--r--
for php test file
which im wondering that shold be x too
hmmmm
cause the later is only rw
the tikiwiki one needs to be which owner:group though
right now it is my main user acct.. should it be root?
kk changing to x in the test script works now
soooooo
yep it was permissions... now i get some action lphuberdeau
:)
ty
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marclaportemarclaporte is wondering about tracker stats
marclaporte would like to know how many open feature requests we have, and how many bugs
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SEWilco2Why does "Directory batch upload" say " Please do not use this feature to upload data into the database. "? Why else use an upload page?
My filegals are whining at me, and as with most gals, I don't understand why they're complaining.
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: that was fun, see you soon. [17:05]
lphuberdeaudid you find a solution?
I couldn't get anything
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MatWho_lphuberdeau: no, now I have gone back to my "working" version and that is all blank pages now. So tomorrow I will blow it all away and start again. [17:08]
lphuberdeaube sure to make a backup of that database
might help if we hear of the problem again
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MatWho_when people start upgrading to 2.0 in ernest it is going to be a lot of fun and games!! See You Thanks for your help :) [17:09]
lphuberdeauenjoy [17:09]
MatWho_:) [17:10]
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SEWilco2Why does "Directory batch upload" say " Please do not use this feature to upload data into the database. "? Why else use an upload page?
Is it because it's not a good idea to put 50K entries in MySql? Not a good idea to upload 20 entries at once through LAMP? PHP time limits are too strict for batches?
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Petjal2luciash: Thanks again. I put an Example of the top banner logo repeat-x tip at the bottom of http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=2927&bl=n [17:31]
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kerrnelMoo [17:56]
PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 13987 /branches/experimental/plugin_ui/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] UI available from plugin help [17:56]
lphuberdeauseeing the size of HTMLPurifier, I start to have concerns with using it for input filtering [18:03]
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SEWilco2That would be HT<x>MLPurifier? [18:07]
lphuberdeauno, that's something else
a candidate for the 3.0 solution
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SEWilco2Yes, I know H-P is for the HTML content, not as a protection device. Just teasing the protection issue. [18:08]
lphuberdeauwell, it's supposed to have some feature to protect against XSS [18:09]
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SEWilco2Hmm. Got 3 tabs waiting for dev.tw.o tracker to update. Someone forget to feed the DB powering hamsters? [18:15]
PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 13988 /branches/experimental/plugin_ui/ (221 files in 44 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 13933 to 13986 [18:17]
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ricks99_q: how to call a banner zone from a wiki page? {banner zone=FOO} doesn't seem to work
works fine in modules and TPLs, but i would like to add directly in a wiki page
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SEWilco2ricks99_: It's the long way around, but can you create a module which shows the banner zone, then include it in Wiki with the Module Plugin? http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginModule [18:28]
ricks99_y, but then my users cannot change ads on-they-fly...
:(
my end-users have wiki edit access -- cannot create new modules
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SEWilco2SEWilco2 waits for someone who knows something about banners to stop laughing, get off the floor, and say something more reasonable. [18:30]
ricks99_no. ur idea does work, just need a more user-friendly method [18:30]
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SEWilco2I haven't tinkered with banners. Let's see if someone has a better suggestion.
Oh, I see. Changing the FOO in the banner would require module editing.
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PS|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #1908 - "Insert internal wiki link"-Button don't work - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1908
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #1909 - MySQL-Errors approve+staging - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1909
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #1910 - Search for javascript looks for javascript - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1910
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SEWilco2Can you have FOO be a "dynamic content" item, and can dynamic content items have Categories so they can be controlled by the 2.0 category permissions?
Maybe you'll have to create 99 modules, one for each of the 1-99 values of FOO. Of course, you'll say you have more than 99 banners which people want to define.
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ricks99_y. looks like im going to have to hardcode it... but not what i wanted at all :(
i can add {poll id=xxx}, {rss id=xxx}, etc. in wiki pages, but no banners. <sigh>
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SEWilco2I'm sure my stupid suggestions aren't helping the more knowledgeable to gather their senses and offer more helpful suggestions.
Oh, that bug 1910 is mine. It looks stupid when it self-corrects to not read "Search for javascript looks for ja<x>vascript".
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luciashricks99_: i think best would be a wiki banner plugin
ricks99_: doesn't it exist already even ?
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ricks99_not that i can see .... [18:52]
SEWilco2Oh, I thought that "{banner zone=FOO}" was a plugin. [18:53]
ricks99_creating a custom plugin was my next step... [18:53]
luciashSEWilco2: nope, that's just a wiki syntax
or smarty syntax in this case
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ricks99_a 'non-plugin, plugin. like {toc}, {rss}, {poll} etc [18:56]
luciashluciash not sure it is smarty plugin or modifier [18:56]
SEWilco2Why does "Directory batch upload" say "Please do not use this feature to upload data into the database."? Why else use an upload page? [18:58]
ricks99_dont know [19:02]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 13989 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-wiki.tpl: [DOC] Adding a link to security bug about this feature to warn people not to activate if they are concerned about this aspect [19:42]
SEWilco2dev.tw.o page Brand20Beta says "Email notifications may not be preserved". Are notifications lost, or are they temporarily not working? Does an update to 2.0 lose transfer info in DB? [19:44]
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haroldHi - I reported the following bug yesterday after discussing with SEWilco2 - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1918
Summary is "TikiWiki Category Permissions Not Applied When Objects are Included" - wondered if anyone had any ideas / similar experiences
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sylviegharold: in which version? [20:06]
harold1.9.11 [20:08]
marclaporteSEWilco: : can you test on a backup database and report if it works? [20:08]
haroldI updated the details of the bug [20:09]
PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 13992 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ROLLBACK] r13990 Not ready yet, too many tabs open [20:10]
SEWilco2Maybe I can test sometime. My browser isn't working well, and I have a meeting in 20 minutes. [20:11]
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lphuberdeauplugin UI is in trunk now [20:12]
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sylviegharold: it is fixed in 2.0
need to run a test but the code has been fixed
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PS|botSVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 13993 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] dont prompt to change admin pw on upgrade -- only for new install. [20:16]
sylvieg+1 for rick [20:17]
zorpsylvieg: can I use the str_replace function to replace a string in $data in the parse_data function in tikilib.php? [20:17]
haroldsylvieg: ah ok, so this is a known issue in 1.9.11, and the fix is basically to upgrade to 2.0? [20:17]
sylviegzorp : in your version - yes do whatever you want [20:19]
zorpthanx :) [20:19]
sylviegharold: yes , it will be the best - or I can give you a quick patch [20:19]
haroldsylvieg: quick patch! quick patch! :)
we are planning to upgrade to 2.0, once it is past the beta phase...does anyone have a sense on when that may be?
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sylviegif ($tikilib->user_has_perm_on_object($user, $page,'wiki page','tiki_p_view') $canbeseen = 'n'; instead of the block if ($userlib->object_has_one_permission($page,'wiki page')) {
with no garantee - but it should work
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haroldsylvieg - thanks, what page is this on? [20:23]
sylviegin lib/wiki-plugin/wikiplugin-include.php [20:24]
haroldsylvieg: ok thanks, I will give it a whirl!! [20:27]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 13994 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Adding priorDays parameter to allow viewing past/recent events [20:52]
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SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 13997 /trim/src/appinfo/tikiwiki.php: [FIX] Detection for recent 1.9 versions
SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 13996 /trunk/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [FIX] Match typo correction in template with translations correction
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SEWilco2I'm creating my first Tracker in 2.0, and the "Description" for fields seems to not be getting saved.
In case it matters, the tracker is configured with the mirror option.
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sylviegmirror is no more supported [21:30]
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marclaportemirror is broken :-) [21:59]
sylviegperhaps we have to take it away from 2.0 [21:59]
snif on my new fedora9 - new tikitrunk - I have no database type in tiki-install - snif
but tw is nice - it tells me my php is nt well installed
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SEWilco2Most features are missing on doc.tw.o: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Features&structure=Documentation [22:40]
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