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franck	oi!	[00:33]
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marclaporte	polom	[01:19]
chibaguy_eating	hey marclaporte, I noticed a case of white text on white background in the Darkroom theme (2.0rc4). Do I dare touch the css file? :-)	[01:24]
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chibaguy	chibaguy forgot about that unchanged nick	[01:25]
marclaporte	chibaguy: I think we need to make our guidelines clearer I would do it BUT it's against current (new) guidelines which need to have more shades of grey	[01:26]
chibaguy	We know the need to be strict, but in cases where nothing else is affected, such as a property of a specific selector in a theme.... Is there supposed to be a 2.1 release to clean up things like this?	[01:29]
lphuberdeau	no	[01:30]
chibaguy	Ah, ok.	[01:30]
lphuberdeau	2.1 would be a security if needed	[01:30]
chibaguy	So we'll have white text and background in file selector boxes in Darkroom until 3.0.....	[01:31]
	As marclaporte says, I think the guidelines need to be clearer here. I think it would be a great idea to write up the rationale for why something this text contrast fix have to go unfixed for six months. I always thought the idea of point releases was for minor fixes, etc., not only matters of security.	[01:36]
lphuberdeau	not unfixed, just unreleased we had unreleased fixes and code for the last 3 years, 6 months is really decent	[01:37]
chibaguy	To the end user, same thing. Poeple can't use unreleased code.	[01:37]
lphuberdeau	the main issues are that making a release is time consuming we need to limit how many we make to keep development alive the other aspect is merges from stable to trunk if there are too many changes, conflicts occur and those are a pain to resolve, especially in templates 2.0 is a special release because we're really wrapping up the mess we made before trunk will become more stable over time and those fixes will just be regular there are thousands of minor bugs and we can't fix them all before the release, we just need to release	[01:38]
franck	what worries me, it the fact that some fixed bugs creep back into the system...	[01:41]
lphuberdeau	that's because we had no merging for around 2 years	[01:42]
chibaguy	lphuberdeau, what you're saying makes sense of course, but one part of my brain still wants to add one line to darkroom.css. ;-)	[01:44]
lphuberdeau	add it in trunk, will be fine ;)	[01:44]
chibaguy	Really?	[01:44]
lphuberdeau	uh, yeah trunk is just like what we used to have except when we branch off to 3.0 for stabilisation/RC in March	[01:45]
chibaguy	You, you mean _just_ in trunk. At first I thought you meant 2.0 and trunk.	[01:45]
lphuberdeau	that's right, just trunk	[01:46]
chibaguy	In that case, I'm not so excited. ;-)	[01:46]
marclaporte	right now, trunk is more stable than 2.0 :-)	[01:50]
lphuberdeau	because 3.0 will be great 2.0 is the past, releasing should only be that, not about adding those few more improvements	[01:51]
marclaporte	I think I'll be running many sits on trunk sits->sites	[01:51]
chibaguy	I wonder about themes in mods.tw.o. I guess they should be kept current with latest official release. (I mean themes that are actively maintained.)	[01:53]
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dthacker	dthacker notes that even the os's release a .1 in between their six month schedule, and encourages tiki to do the samee ubuntu will be releasing a .2 soon	[02:15]
lphuberdeau	they released a .1 because it would simply not work out of the box	[02:16]
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dthacker	There are more thnever mind, then	[02:29]
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chibaguy	I'd like to think the problem is mainly manpower, about not having point releases except for security fixes. In an ideal world, obvious interface bugs should be ok for 2.1 or whatever, I would think.	[03:18]
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franck	oi no one to update mods.tw.o?	[03:43]
chibaguy	Heh, tw.o has st<x>le. +-)	[03:44]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 14037 /trunk/templates/tiki-site_header.tpl: [FIX] Check for image source before logo a href tag, to avoid missing image icon when only text sitetitle is used.	[05:23]
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luciash	polom i don't agree with lph that 2.1 should be reserved only for security fixes and wait with common bug fixes for 3.0 imho bugfixes(+security)=2.1, security only=2.0.1 imagine there's a usability bug revealed after 2.0 release, the users cannot use their Tiki until 3.0 is released (in extreme) ?	[06:59]
amette	amette nods	[07:05]
chibaguy	chibaguy too I guess lph is concerned the floodgates will be opened if nonsecurity changes are allowed.	[07:06]
luciash	Sug4r: should 2.1 be reserved only for security fixes ? chibaguy: i guess so too but it doesn't mean it should be the way as he says i mean it's no solution	[07:13]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[09:43]
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luciash	hi nyloth	[10:02]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14039 /branches/2.0/tiki-setup_base.php: [SEC] security fix on an input var (reported by securfrog)	[10:06]
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franck	nyloth: can you redo mods?	[10:19]
priti	themes is down and marc has been alerted of the issue	[10:21]
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othmanskn	hello testing.	[10:28]
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mstef	hi all	[10:40]
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ricks99_	hi all having issues getting captcha to appear on registration form.... tiki recognizes gd installed properly.... ... but the captcha will not appear.... any way to test...?	[10:59]
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PS\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #1923 - Commas stripped out of wiki pages after editing/saving/previewing. - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1923 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #1924 - Strikethrough syntax - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1924 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #1925 - test - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1925	[11:39]
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navi333	themes.tikiwiki.org has a "500 internal server error". Notified marclaporte of the issue	[12:14]
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luciash	Caarrie: thanks for that bug reporting addition ! very cool :)	[12:44]
Caarrie	yw as long as you have rss feeds i can make use of them ;)	[12:44]
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luciash	Caarrie: what feed do you use for this ?	[12:51]
Caarrie	let me look	[12:51]
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Caarrie	luciash: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5	[12:53]
luciash	Caarrie: thanks, seems like an issue because it doesn't show up on the bottom bar/footer (disabled in admin > feeds) and still you can access it	[13:03]
Caarrie	it showed up in my browser ;)	[13:03]
luciash	oh ?	[13:05]
Caarrie	in opera or ff you can see it in the address bar [the little rss sign thingy]	[13:05]
luciash	ah, i see, but i mean on the footer it doesn't appear	[13:06]
Caarrie	yea	[13:06]
luciash	weird, it's checked on (enabled) on the RSS admin page and weird, i don't have that RSS listend in my FF address bar	[13:08]
ricks99_	anyone: i recently svn'd up.. why is tiki inserting <x> in all my stuff?	[13:10]
Caarrie	it is in mine for opera	[13:10]
ricks99_	how do i turn this 'feature' off?	[13:10]
luciash	ricks99_: security "feature"	[13:10]
ricks99_	{img src=... link=.... doesnt work	[13:11]
luciash	ricks99_: ask nyloth Caarrie: something is rotten there	[13:11]
Caarrie	i dont know i am not admin :P i just found it	[13:12]
luciash	Caarrie: i know, np :)	[13:12]
Caarrie	but it works ;)	[13:12]
ricks99_	i tried creating a link to linked and tiki changes it to li<x>nkedin argh...	[13:13]
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lphuberdeau	done with the email backlog... now time to work	[13:31]
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sylvieg	who changes the wiki help? I acn not switch back to the first help screen :-(	[13:38]
lphuberdeau	I did	[13:39]
sylvieg	Is it working for you?	[13:39]
lphuberdeau	of course wouldn't commit otherwise which browser are you using?	[13:39]
sylvieg	how from the plugin help do yopu come back to the first page?	[13:40]
lphuberdeau	click wiki help next to plugin help (in trunk I mean) both buttons are side by side now	[13:40]
sylvieg	ah! it is because in darkroom it seems to be the same button I think a span calss="button2" is missing	[13:41]
lphuberdeau	no idea, I just copied some lines around	[13:44]
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sylvieg	there are about 5 ways to css a button... I am wondering which one is the good one...	[13:45]
lphuberdeau	I wish I knew	[13:47]
ricks99_	anyone.. how to troubleshoot the registration captcha? tiki properly detects gdimage, but the captcha does not appear on tiki-register.php	[13:47]
lphuberdeau	try calling the image script directly	[13:49]
ricks99_	how?	[13:49]
lphuberdeau	probably throws an error corrupting the image well, the captcha is displayed with an img tag the img is a php script, just copy the script location in your browser	[13:49]
luciash	ricks99_: i think i've stumbled on about this issue already... it was something wrong with the random number generating function iirc	[13:51]
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ricks99_	@lphuberdeau: sorry, i dont understand... where is the script?	[13:55]
lphuberdeau	I don't know, look at the img tag	[13:56]
ricks99_	k. calling the script directly tiki-random_num_img.php just produces a blank page @luciash: is this a know issue? corrected in a specific tiki version?	[13:57]
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sylvieg	luciash: is there a reason in lite.css that the font-size are !important. we are obliged after to put a important in each style using it... ricks99_: are gd and imagick both installed?	[14:08]
ricks99_	@sylvieg: gd only. (as indicated on the admin: image gallery page	[14:10]
sylvieg	so I do not know (I got a problem once when both were installed)... Are the other images working?	[14:13]
luciash	ricks99_: i'm not sure, check your [apache\|php\|sys]log	[14:13]
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ricks99_	y. other images seem fine its a shared host.. .not sure if i have access to the logs. let me c...	[14:14]
sylvieg	did you do a source of the page - perhaps the css is not ok?	[14:16]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14040 /trunk/lib/profilelib/profilelib.php: [MOD] Support multiple profile blocks in a single page to improve readability [FIX] Pattern matching to support remote profiles	[14:16]
sylvieg	is feature_antibot and feature .. in the login box on ?	[14:17]
luciash	sylvieg: i'm not sure now, i'll test without !important, but i think there was a reason because of the redefining for different browsers it had to be so, but maybe not anymore... (to support same base font size across FF and IE browsers)	[14:17]
ricks99_	@sylvieg. y. i get: Your registration code: tiki shows the text alt (RANDOM IMAGE) instead of the image	[14:18]
sylvieg	luciash: I will prefer to have not the exact size between IE and other ... but an either way to redefine style above - my 2 cents	[14:19]
ricks99_	is there a minimum gd version required? phpinfo reports gd version2.0.34, freetype version 2.1.9	[14:21]
luciash	sylvieg: just add the !important to your css (it's only three places) but i'll have a look if it's really necessary or not ricks99_: do you have set show php errors on Admin > General ?	[14:21]
ricks99_	i do now... no errors shown on tiki-register.php	[14:23]
luciash	2.0 ?	[14:27]
ricks99_	1.9	[14:27]
luciash	ah, the last one ?	[14:27]
ricks99_	no. 10.1 1.9.10.1 (didnt want to up to 2.0rc4, with all the <x> crap)	[14:27]
lphuberdeau	isn't that fixed?	[14:29]
luciash	i understand why not 1.9.11 ?	[14:29]
ricks99_	dont want to upgrade twice...	[14:29]
luciash	lphuberdeau: maybe nyloth fixed it only for style tag	[14:32]
lphuberdeau	there are more?	[14:32]
luciash	dunno why/how hard it would be to fix it for all	[14:32]
lphuberdeau	I have the feeling this new protection lib is more hackish than the one we had	[14:33]
luciash	i don't feel much excited about it too but i haven't studied the code	[14:33]
ricks99_	wel.. im all for protection, but not at the rist of inability to preform normal stuff	[14:34]
	guess ill try with 2.0 trunk and see if that makes a difference....	[14:41]
Paragtim	Hi All - Hopefully a quick question. Whenever the login screen displays I have a message "Permission Denied you cannot view this page". How do I get ris of it?	[14:47]
ricks99_	@paragtim: give the user group the correct permission to view the item. see the docs for the necessary permissions: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/permissions login screen is appearing becuase you r attempting to view something (as anonymous) but the anonymous group does not have permission	[14:49]
Paragtim	Ok - The only thing that I want Anonymous to be able to see is the log in box in the center of the screen. How can I do that?	[14:56]
luciash	sylvieg: you're lucky girl, seems it's really obsolete to keep that !important there ;)	[14:56]
sylvieg	:-)	[14:57]
ricks99_	@paragtim: simply remove the "view" permission from "anonymous" group. now, when an anonymous (non-logged in) user attempts to access a page, they'll get the login screen	[14:57]
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luciash	Paragtim: go to Admin > General and set up http://your_site/tiki-login_scr.php as your home uri page	[14:58]
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nyloth	franck: for mods, yes, I'll try to do this this evening franck: (in approx. 3 or 4 hours)	[15:01]
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Paragtim	Ok - Rick - There where no perms set for anonymous. Luciash Followed your advice. When I try to load the page using you fix I get a 404 error. The url for my site is not ://www. it is a subdomain. Is this why its broke?	[15:13]
ricks99_	if no perms for anon should b working. when you try to access a page, tiki should say "permission denied, please login"	[15:15]
nickelodeon	Hi, I had a question about creating plugins, as described on the following page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hello+World I have created the helloworld php file (I called it wikiplugin-helloworldzrw.php) in the /lib/wiki-plugins directory, but i get a "WARNING: No such module HELLOWORLDZRW! Tiki" error when I try to invoke it with {HELLOWORLDZRW(title=Mr, name=tiki)}Tiki{HELLOWORLDZRW} ah never mind - i found my error i think the doc needs to be fixed - "lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin-helloworld.php" should be "lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_helloworld.php"	[15:18]
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Paragtim	Rick - Luciash. Thanks for the pointers. Problem solved. Solution: No perms for anonymous. Home page set to the sub-domian but with the subdomian added between the domain name and the tiki login_scr. This gets rid of the 404 error and the perms banner at the same time	[15:26]
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Paragtim	While we are on a roll. Content Templates. Is there a way of calling the content template when the wiki page editor loads instead of having to select it from the drop down box every time?	[15:28]
marclaporte	polom	[15:28]
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marclaporte	Paragtim: : I have never seen that option	[15:37]
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marclaporte	You have that many pages which use the same template?	[15:38]
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Paragtim	Looking to generate a consistant site style accross the board. TikiWiki for Smarties "Using Content Templates" is a good example. Trouble is it relies on the user "remembering" to select a content template !!	[15:41]
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nickelodeon	Hi I am trying to use plugins as a way to replicate MediaWiki's use of parameterized templates (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates) ... can anyone point me to a good example of a plugin that displays html-formatted content, to use as a starting point?	[16:05]
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kerrnel	I'm not sure we have something like that It would be a "plugin" if we did Here's a list of the documented ones: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki+Plugins&highlight=box%20plugin You can find a list of some additional ones at mods.tikiwiki.org	[16:06]
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ricks99_	@Paragtim: glad u like "smarties" :)	[16:25]
Paragtim	I find it really useful. The problem is it gives me ideas above my int level. Hence all the questions	[16:29]
ricks99_	... the halmark of a good guide :)	[16:30]
kerrnel	kerrnel considers smarties as an essential food group. All Hail Nestle.	[16:30]
ricks99_	lol	[16:31]
kerrnel	oh, you mean Tiki for Smarties. LOL	[16:31]
Paragtim	True. So no joy on the content templates then. Unable to pipe the content template name directly to the editor instead of the drop down list. Could it become a feature request maybe?	[16:31]
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ricks99_	@paragtim: sure, simply append &templateId=### to the edit url.	[16:35]
kerrnel	I'm going over some of the old IRC logs from earlier today and I saw a comment that "3.0 will be great 2.0 is the past" and also "I think I'll be running many sites on trunk" - this last from Marc. What is the point of releasing 2.0 and letting it stagnate for six months if the developers themselves are advocating going directly to trunk/3.0 ?	[16:35]
ricks99_	will load the eedit form with the template of ID = ##	[16:35]
lphuberdeau	kerrnel, for the rest of the world	[16:36]
kerrnel	This sends mixed messages to the user base, chiefly of which that we don't have confidence in 2.0	[16:36]
lphuberdeau	no, it means we keep moving forward	[16:36]
Petjal2	different strokes for different folks	[16:37]
lphuberdeau	we don't release for developers, developers get it from SVN anyway	[16:37]
kerrnel	chibaguy had a good point about fixing some bugs. it sounded as though interim 2.0 releases will not be to support bug fixes but only security issues?	[16:38]
Paragtim	Rick - Almost with you. The create/edit button call tiki-editpage.php. How do I code your append to that call?	[16:39]
ricks99_	k... do u want it to appear on all edit buttons?	[16:39]
luciash	Paragtim: you would need to add to every link tiki-editpage.php?page=Test123&templateId=1	[16:39]
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luciash	Paragtim: maybe if you use apache URL rewrite, you can add it to your .htaccess file	[16:40]
ricks99_	... could edit/hack the page_bar.tpl.... create a new, custom edit button (i.e., "Edit with template FOO") ... dont know how to make it work with the section edit button, tho....	[16:40]
lphuberdeau	kerrnel, our community is too small at this time to split efforts, if we grow, we can check out different possibilities	[16:41]
Paragtim	rick - Yes - luciash - lost me	[16:42]
luciash	ricks99_: adding it to page bar edit button would rewrite only existing wiki pages content	[16:42]
lphuberdeau	but really, as someone installing a stable version, I'd much rather not have to install updates all the time unless it's necessary	[16:42]
ricks99_	@luciash: wouldnt the template b used each time the user clicks "EDIT"?	[16:42]
lphuberdeau	especially due to the size of the tarballs	[16:42]
kerrnel	How can the version get stable without bug fixes?	[16:43]
Paragtim	Luciash - Only have wiki pages on the site - if that helps	[16:43]
luciash	yes, but edit appears only on already existing pages	[16:43]
kerrnel	There is NO WAY we're going to release something out of the box that is 100% stable and doesn't have some bugs or other issues we overlooked.	[16:43]
lphuberdeau	well, it's mostly stable now, sure there are thousands of things to improve, but we need to release someday	[16:43]
ricks99_	ahh.. see ur point. for use cases like FooBar? ie., wikiwords y, rewrite is probably 'cleaner'	[16:43]
luciash	Paragtim: you can copy and modify the quick_edit module though	[16:43]
ricks99_	q:... but for each subsequent edit, wouldnt the template be recopied to the top of the page? another possibility... edit the tiki-show_page.tpl to get the look u want, and dont bother with content templates	[16:44]
Paragtim	If I understand the way this works 1. existing pages already have the layout from the template. New pages are made from links within existing pages and the quick edit module generates new pages	[16:45]
luciash	i recommend to copy the quick_edit module and name it something like quick_newfromtemplate and use this for creating new pages with your templateId	[16:46]
lphuberdeau	with all the things that were added in 1.10/2.0, there are plenty of reasons to use it	[16:46]
kerrnel	It's great we're releasing 2.0, but at the same time we're saying "this 2.0 is for the user base because you've waited so long for these additional features. if something doesn't work as it was intended, then sorry, but you'll have to wait six months for the next release when we introduce a bunch of other changes that may or may not clear up the problem" because we don't have the resources?	[16:46]
luciash	Paragtim: it's in modules/mod-quick_edit.php	[16:47]
lphuberdeau	hum, 2.0 works, it does plenty marc and nelson went through the issues list twice, everything major is taken care of	[16:47]
luciash	Paragtim: actually in trunk now i see you don't have to copy that module, just add it the templateId parameter !, great :) ricks99_: cool it is :)	[16:48]
Paragtim	Will have a look at that - thanks luciash. I understand, I think, where your coming from rick, but I think your way locks it down and removes all the flexibility	[16:48]
kerrnel	ok	[16:48]
luciash	Paragtim: you have to go to Admin > Modules and assign the quick edit module Paragtim: in the parameters input field you put templateId=1 and assign, then every time user uses the quick_edit module for creating new page it assigns the template	[16:49]
lphuberdeau	we're going to support 2.0 for a long time, it will keep having major fixes and security for over a year, probably 2, but we need the code to stop moving	[16:50]
Paragtim	luciash Parameters = templateID=TemplateName or 001	[16:51]
luciash	just plain number like 1 is the first template you have	[16:51]
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luciash	other parameters you can use are: &mod_quickedit_heading=...&categId=...	[16:53]
ricks99_	tempateId=1	[16:53]
luciash	... size and submit	[16:53]
Paragtim	Bingo - Luciash - Congrats. A new fan to the fan base. Thanks a bunch	[16:53]
luciash	Paragtim: np	[16:54]
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Paragtim	Right then - Next silly question. I have Comments enabled and working. Want I want to be able to do is have the comments load hidden so the Post New Comment section does not display until selected. Any ideas?	[17:06]
nickelodeon	hi, does anyone know how to handle commas when passing parameters to a plugin? eg, i have a {HELLOWORLD(name=William H. Gates, III, job=Master of the Dark Underworld, Software Architect)} {HELLOWORLD}	[17:06]
Paragtim	Maybe wrong - but how about escaping the comma	[17:07]
ricks99_	@paragtim: if using 2.0, select the "displayed by default" option on wiki comments settings area of admin: wiki	[17:07]
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ricks99_	for 1.9, i think u need to modify the defaults in comments.tpl	[17:09]
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sylvieg	lphuberdeau: around?	[17:19]
lphuberdeau	yes	[17:19]
sylvieg	I just try an upgrade in a real case from 1.9 to 2.0 but the admin was not connected - and the admin was not able to log in because columns like groupTheme was not present	[17:19]
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sylvieg	so he was not able to run tiki-install.php did I miss a big point ? I must admit I myself run always on script line the upgrade	[17:20]
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lphuberdeau	nyloth made the last changes to the installer, don't really know	[17:21]
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lphuberdeau	but in theory, you should login as admin to install	[17:21]
sylvieg	ok I have to check the history ... yes but I was not able becuse some columns was missing	[17:21]
lphuberdeau	which version are you testing with?	[17:22]
sylvieg	2.0RC4 I will test again and this time without using mysql command	[17:22]
lphuberdeau	the installer does not really query any tables... used to, but that changed before RC4 actually, it now loads a lot of stuff... might cause problems	[17:25]
sylvieg	the login does a lot of queries/update..	[17:26]
lphuberdeau	I don't really know how to go about this	[17:27]
sylvieg	so do I need to test or you think there is a problem ?	[17:28]
lphuberdeau	initially, I was just checking on the session presence to verify if logged as admin but that would cause problems if session dropped out while you replaced the files	[17:28]
sylvieg	exactly	[17:29]
lphuberdeau	but then the login is broken and there is no way to get the login to work in all cases unless you fire up all tiki because there are too many different options	[17:29]
sylvieg	we need a min login mini but for sure not one going through all the login precodess	[17:30]
lphuberdeau	back in a min, need to grab food	[17:30]
sylvieg	ok thx	[17:30]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: OK in my SEFURL expansion if I rename sefurl functions to sefpage? These function actually work on pages, not on URLs. I'm looking for a way to also handle URL constants in Smarty.	[17:32]
sylvieg	do you have a lot of cases? because otherwise {assign var=x value=...} {$x\|selfpage}	[17:33]
SEWilco2	I've only begun. My single Category template that I'm testing with has a non-variable for the home page, and two different kinds of page references.	[17:35]
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SEWilco2	Incidentally, templates/tiki-browse_categories.tpl has the Categories homepage hardcoded so every Cat's header page links to it even though it shows the name of the current category.	[17:35]
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SEWilco2	I'm also trying to figure out how to handle the URLs of articles which have the Category, as those seem to be in an array as URLs rather than page IDs. I haven't spotted a suitable Smarty incantation for those.	[17:38]
lphuberdeau	validate_user_tiki in userlib seems to be the bare minimum... still big actually, it always apply for admin	[17:39]
kerrnel	How would we address a problem with a translation? in 2.0	[17:43]
lphuberdeau	string translation?	[17:43]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: Here's a diff of my test code (I added Article support, then switched to Categories because I have category data to test with). http://sh.nu/p/24779	[17:43]
lphuberdeau	that's still accepted before the release	[17:43]
SEWilco2	kerrnel: A bug related to translation, or a phrase which seems to have been translated poorly?	[17:44]
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kerrnel	Short form for "Jan" is being translated as "Jan.". "Sep" is being translated as "Sept." both of which are incorrect Far as I can tell it only appears in the en/language.php	[17:45]
lphuberdeau	that seems to be desired by whoever made that change	[17:46]
kerrnel	It makes no sense to me It overrides the built-in date abbreviations	[17:47]
SEWilco2	kerrnel: Is "Jan" being used as the abbreviation for the first month of the calendar year, or as someone's name?	[17:48]
kerrnel	http://sh.nu/p/24780 is what is in the language file right now	[17:48]
SEWilco2	OK, dates.	[17:48]
kerrnel	These are all dates	[17:48]
lphuberdeau	I wouldn't call that a bug	[17:48]
marclaporte	Paragtim: does this work ?: {HELLOWORLD(name="A,hjdkshf", education="none")} {HELLOWORLD}	[17:48]
kerrnel	While technically not a bug, I think it should be fixed Took me a while to figure out why my dates weren't coming across as they were advertised per the PHP functions Had to do a grep through the entire tree to locate the problem.	[17:49]
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lphuberdeau	is it a bug or a feature?	[17:52]
kerrnel	it's incorrect	[17:52]
lphuberdeau	depends on the point of view, I think it's a feature to get a better display for month names	[17:53]
sylvieg	ususlly people fix this in lang/en/custom.php	[17:54]
SEWilco2	I haven't explored the language interface: Can an admin redefine the translation strings through a TW admin interface?	[17:54]
kerrnel	It was fine in 1.9. You had January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, etc. Then you had abbreviations: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug. These are standard around the english world. If anything, whomever changed it should have created a custom thing.	[17:54]
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Paragtim	Hi Marc. So far every problem has found a solution. We have solved the Permission Error on the log in screen (luciash) Piped the content template parameters thro Quick Edit(luciash) and made the wiki comments section load closed (rick). Learning more as we go. Three more issues to solve and I reckon we are good to go.	[17:57]
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lphuberdeau	sylvieg, looked at the installer again, I can't figure out a way out of the mess login libs have too many dependencies	[18:09]
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sylvieg	yes - I know :-( and what about a direct query to the database....	[18:11]
lphuberdeau	there are like 6 different ways to hash the password to figure it out, you need to fire up tiki	[18:11]
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lphuberdeau	maybe we could use some installer key... not admin password, just something specific to the installer you set before installing to enable it nothing from tiki is reliable in the installer	[18:15]
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sylvieg	and why the validate_user is not enough?	[18:19]
lphuberdeau	checks too many perms pres prefs in fact, just trying to access the DB is a mistake because we don't really know what's in there	[18:19]
sylvieg	yeh but the prefs are correctly set by default? yes - this I agree	[18:20]
lphuberdeau	well, no, the default ones only apply on new installs	[18:20]
sylvieg	so we have to roll back to the old tiki-install method withno login?	[18:20]
lphuberdeau	may be one solution but deleting the file is not a valid way of disabling it	[18:21]
sylvieg	.. (but the validate_user must be enough...) I give a try	[18:21]
lphuberdeau	I'll start rolling back in case you can't make it	[18:22]
ricks99_	sylvieg/lphuberdeau... but the old method still required u to login as admin... right?	[18:22]
sylvieg	ricks99_: I do not think so it is why it is not the best too....	[18:22]
SEWilco2	I haven't seen what you're talking about, but may I suggest adding the admin password to any install screens which need it, such as the first DB config page? I won't mind typing the password several times.	[18:23]
ricks99_	@sylvieg. sure it did.... give a sec and i'll show...	[18:24]
sylvieg	ah ye ricks99_: you are right	[18:24]
ricks99_	*rick wasnt quite sure why it was changed to begin with... confirmed. in 1.10, u are prompted to login as admin to run the installer	[18:24]
lphuberdeau	only it didn't really work not in all cases	[18:27]
sylvieg	not with the new password encoding	[18:28]
ricks99_	ah	[18:28]
sylvieg	and if admin is a ldpa... ot something else .... impossible this is a real mess.............	[18:28]
lphuberdeau	that's impossible, tiki login is always used for admin	[18:29]
ricks99_	k... sorry for the interruption...	[18:29]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[18:29]
lphuberdeau	hello, we're still messing around with the installer the thing is still broken won't let people upgrade	[18:29]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: how ? in which case ?	[18:29]
sylvieg	1.9 already existing	[18:30]
lphuberdeau	login, copy file, session expires, you're locked out	[18:30]
sylvieg	and upgrade via tiki-installer.php	[18:30]
lphuberdeau	any attempt to login will fail because the code does not match the DB	[18:30]
sylvieg	the first to shout is groupTheme lph: there is 'Just use Tiki auth for admin?" in ldap ... (never try but perhaps admin can be ldap also)	[18:30]
nyloth	mhh... I suppose this occurs only with some specific features turned on (like groupTheme)	[18:31]
lphuberdeau	lib/userslib.php:327	[18:32]
sylvieg	no special feature	[18:32]
SEWilco2	Is it mandatory that the default login code be used during installation? Could install PW check try several auth schemes if the proper one hasn't yet been configured?	[18:32]
lphuberdeau	anything called admin goes through tiki login	[18:32]
SEWilco2	Are we talking about admin, or installation?	[18:33]
lphuberdeau	installation, which requires being admin	[18:33]
SEWilco2	Right, it sort of requires being admin. Old install asked for no PW.	[18:34]
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lphuberdeau	I think the really easy and fool proof solution would be to set an installer password	[18:34]
nyloth	SEWilco2: it's what we had before. One of the problem was that the code didn't handle some new auth methods, since it was different codes.	[18:34]
lphuberdeau	without authentication, you are vulnerable during the install	[18:34]
kerrnel	Found an interesting bug in trackers with the date/time fields. sylvieg, I think you worked a bit on these. Wondering your thoughts on a possibl solution... ?	[18:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: anyway, for 2.0 it's not possible anymore (to have an installer password)	[18:35]
lphuberdeau	well, we can't release right now with the installer in this state	[18:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: it's technically not a problem ;p	[18:36]
lphuberdeau	my idea is just to have a file in the installation containing the password	[18:36]
kerrnel	If you have data in the database from say 2007, but are using the calendar and its start year is 2008, and the drop-down field in the tracker is configured for start year to be either 2008+ or blank, the year won't show up properly	[18:36]
lphuberdeau	you need to enter it in the installer or it asks you to write the file with it	[18:36]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: well, then the password will be the same for all... ?!	[18:37]
sylvieg	you mean in db/local.php another password?	[18:37]
SEWilco2	An installer PW would be a simple solution; have a defined default but ask for a new one early in the installation process?	[18:37]
kerrnel	my fix is to remove the caledar start pref	[18:37]
lphuberdeau	no, the file is not created by default but actually, asking for the db password could be an option	[18:37]
SEWilco2	Good idea; a DB pw is needed for every site.	[18:38]
kerrnel	or, send the year in to the template for that field to see how far back it needs to go.	[18:38]
ricks99_	@lphuberdeau.... what about sites installed via fantastico where db is handled 100% fantastico?	[18:38]
kerrnel	I think that's probably the best way to approach it	[18:38]
SEWilco2	Sigh.. except for sites which choose to define passwordless databases.	[18:38]
sylvieg	why not to test the db password to run tiki-installer.php	[18:38]
ricks99_	lots of admins have no idea what their db password/name is	[18:38]
sylvieg	if you are upgrading .. you know?	[18:39]
lphuberdeau	well, you can always look up the file on the drive	[18:39]
ricks99_	some admins do not have fileaccess	[18:39]
SEWilco2	The admin will need to know their DB name/PW or TW won't have any content.	[18:39]
lphuberdeau	I'm not trying to find a smart solution, that failed too often, I just want something that works if you don't have file access, you won't be upgrading right?	[18:39]
sylvieg	sylvieg finds that asking for db user and db password can be good..	[18:40]
ricks99_	@lphuberdeau: y, but the local.db is on the filesever -- not my local PC. i was simply instructed to uznip and ftp everything	[18:40]
sylvieg	I agree with lph - it is only 'admin' or a special guy that does upgrade	[18:40]
lphuberdeau	when you upgrade, you need to upload files	[18:41]
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ricks99_	y, but now ur asking me to downlaod the db/local.php	[18:41]
lphuberdeau	not so bad is it?	[18:41]
ricks99_	im just saying... look at the majority of queries on the tw.o forums... theres not a high level of expertise	[18:41]
sylvieg	the first times you gave a db user/password?	[18:41]
ricks99_	y, back in tiki 1.8.x	[18:42]
kerrnel	most people would download that cleartext...that's bad	[18:42]
nyloth	wait... what is exactly the problem with admin password ? It uses libs like userlib that does not use things that has changed in database schema between 1.9 and 2.0, no ?	[18:42]
lphuberdeau	unless you have a better solution, I don't really want to hear complaints about this solution	[18:42]
ricks99_	my suggstion is to have the installer ask the user for the current admin password	[18:43]
lphuberdeau	ricks99, we can't do that	[18:43]
ricks99_	implementation is up to you :)	[18:43]
SEWilco2	nyloth: one example mentioned is what if the site is using LDAP, but you're too early in the installation to configure LDAP?	[18:43]
lphuberdeau	tried before, it does not work	[18:43]
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sylvieg	SEWilco it is an upgrade not a first install	[18:44]
nyloth	SEWilco2: right now, I don't see why you may be "too early" to configure LDAP.	[18:44]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: Aha. OK.	[18:44]
nyloth	sylvieg: agree	[18:44]
nickelodeon	hi, does anyone know how to handle commas when passing parameters to a plugin? eg, i have a {HELLOWORLD(name=William H. Gates, III, job=Master of the Dark Underworld, Software Architect)} {HELLOWORLD}	[18:44]
SEWilco2	nickelodeon: Put the parameter in "quotation marks"?	[18:45]
nyloth	So, can someone explain what can cause troubles in the current installer, except when using smarty with modules or things that could have changed in the database schema ? I suppose we are able to use userslibs without major problems for 1.9 to 2.0, no ?	[18:45]
sylvieg	this morning I did 4 manual queries to be able to log in the first one was ALTER TABLE `users_groups` ADD `groupTheme` varchar(255) DEFAULT ''; because the login box update the users_users	[18:45]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes, but what part of the code has caused this ? sylvieg: ok, the login box... sylvieg: so, we have to change this part of the installer sylvieg: there is no need to change the fact that we authenticate admin through userslib	[18:46]
sylvieg	lph proposed validate_login	[18:47]
lphuberdeau	that requires all prefs to be loaded	[18:47]
sylvieg	but admin is not always a tiki auth - can be ldap too	[18:47]
nyloth	sylvieg: and what is the problem then ?!	[18:47]
sylvieg	validate_user?	[18:48]
nyloth	sylvieg: no, LDAP	[18:48]
sylvieg	I do not know lph thinks it is too much	[18:48]
nyloth	sylvieg: for validate_user, I think so	[18:49]
lphuberdeau	you need to start tikilib, userlib, load all prefs by the time you did that, you have half tiki started and ran enough code to crash on any db change	[18:49]
sylvieg	this I am not so sure...	[18:50]
nyloth	I'm not sure too In fact we now exactly what has changed So, we can verify	[18:50]
lphuberdeau	it will just keep crashing on a later update	[18:50]
SEWilco2	Is there too much user interface code mixed with authorization code? Authorization code should be minimal, so it can be called from several possible user interfaces. So a minimalist screen could use authorization.	[18:50]
lphuberdeau	we all agree on that, but that won't be fixed in 2.0	[18:51]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes, but a rewrite of the installer is possible for 3.0 ... lphuberdeau: but for 2.0 I prefer to just fix and try to keep the current behavior lphuberdeau: I suppose that if we generate an HTML code to login, that is specific to the installer, we will be able to not use smarty and reduce problems	[18:51]
lphuberdeau	still need to call userlib	[18:52]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes, but we can easily check if what is called in userslib has changed between 1.9 and 2.0 lphuberdeau: and hopefully it's ok	[18:53]
ricks99_	so what info will end-user need to perform an upgrade?	[18:53]
nyloth	ricks99_: delete db/local.php, go to installer :)	[18:54]
sylvieg	sylvieg still thinking that asking for db user/password is the best	[18:54]
ricks99_	how does an end-user delete local.php? will the installer do this?	[18:54]
lphuberdeau	sylvieg, working on that ricks, end users don't perform upgrades	[18:54]
ricks99_	this end-user does	[18:55]
nyloth	I give up, do what you wish	[18:55]
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SEWilco2	I agree; if the admin pw can not be checked then the DB info still should be known. There's just the usual risks if it is sent unencrypted.	[18:58]
nyloth	risks of beeing sent unencrypted, or too simple passwords, or someone that has seen it in db/local.php where it is not hashed, or even no password databases problem ?	[19:00]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: Ping me when you have a few minutes to talk about SEFURL. I think I found another piece of the puzzle.	[19:00]
nyloth	also risks of brute force attacks, because it uses no mechanisms to block account or something like that	[19:01]
sylvieg	yes good point nyloth .... what a mess...	[19:02]
nyloth	(I still prefer to fix what we have)	[19:03]
SEWilco2	Brute force attacks should be limited if the upgrade process is locked out when completed. I think at present that is done by the recommended removal of tiki_install.php.	[19:06]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: this is the second one :) SEWilco2:The install process is not locked out anymore after completed.	[19:08]
SEWilco2	nyloth: Maybe there should be an "Allow upgrade" toggle in Admin.	[19:11]
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nyloth	SEWilco2: Not a really bad idea, but if you upgraded the code before thinking of this toggle, you won't be able to enable it after hi nkoth3	[19:12]
nkoth3	hi	[19:13]
nyloth	kerrnel: I'm not sure to understand your commit 14047. Why is it so important to remove english translations of date abbreviations ?	[19:13]
SEWilco2	nyloth: I'm aware of the bootstrap problem, whether it is called "Allow upgrade" or "Disable upgrade". Obviously that specific upgrade may need to be more lenient than later code.	[19:14]
lphuberdeau	re-adding script disable... in a different way	[19:16]
nyloth	SEWilco2: sure lphuberdeau: yes, I think it's needed again now	[19:16]
lphuberdeau	db passwords tend to be weaker instead of removing the installer file, I'm adding a lock file which is checked by the installer this way, svn ups won't mess it up	[19:17]
kerrnel	nyloth: because they don't belong there, they are handled by the OS locale I explained it in my commit	[19:18]
SEWilco2	nyloth: If kerrnel is not answering, check the backscroll for his comments that "Jan." and "Sept." conflict with standard php abbreviation names (or are non-standard).	[19:18]
lphuberdeau	installer should work now... please all test in different cases with branches/2.0, of course	[19:21]
nyloth	kerrnel: I saw the commit message.... but I'm not sure to see what is wrong for you. Your OS locale generates the abbreviations that will be translated after that. I suppose there was a choice made by someone to display "March" instead of "Mar" in english. What's wrong with that ? kerrnel: but, it's just to know, I don't prefer those translations compared to default abbreviations lphuberdeau: ok for me, but it's supposing the installer has permissions to write the lock file in the directory	[19:23]
lphuberdeau	it does... it can write db/local.php that's why I used db instead of installer	[19:26]
ricks99_	@lphuberdeau: good note...	[19:27]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: ah ok, nice, I didn't saw you used db instead of installer :)	[19:27]
ricks99_	does this operate the same, if i use tiki-install.php?reset=yes	[19:27]
lphuberdeau	only if you are authenticated with the installer	[19:28]
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sylvieg	sylvieg sittl waiting for the checkout to be completed to test again	[19:41]
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sylvieg	when was dbversion_tiki added in db/local.php? I have an old tw without the info	[19:44]
kerrnel	nyloth: The abbreviation of March can't be March. The translations that were put in, were inconsistent. While you had Jan. as "short" for Jan, you had April as short for April and Sept. as "short" for Sep. The question is, why did someone think there was a need to translate english date abbreviations with longer english date abbreviations?	[19:44]
sylvieg	I think it is me... let me find in my email the exsplanation..	[19:46]
nickelodeon	hi i had asked earlier about putting plugin parameters in quotes, eg {HELLOWORLD(name="A,hjdkshf", education="none")} {HELLOWORLD} ...in my plugin for some reason when I use quotes, the function uses the value of the first parameter passed for ALL of the params...eg, it would use A,hjdkshf for name AND education	[19:47]
sylvieg	kerrnel: the reason of my commit was this one official month abbrevs to overpass the substring of 3 of the pear lib now I have to find the official site of month abbreviation	[19:48]
kerrnel	That's cool, except all of our documentation points to locale, which uses Jan/Feb/Mar everywhere	[19:49]
sylvieg	so ... I am catching the train the translation was good ... no?	[19:50]
kerrnel	I guess the translation was fine :) but incorrect based on all of our documentation	[19:51]
sylvieg	which documentation?	[19:51]
lphuberdeau	sylvieg, about version thing... probably 1.8 or 1.9, but we no longer used that... kicked it out for being unreliable	[19:51]
sylvieg	it is still used in lib/ csslib.php	[19:52]
lphuberdeau	hum... I thought I removed that one	[19:52]
kerrnel	From Administration: General, there is a URL to describe the % settings that you want to customize your dates using. Clicking that takes you to the PHP strftime function That function uses setlocale(), which ultimately takes the locale settings of the server.	[19:52]
lphuberdeau	actually, that line is broken, but it no longer reads from the DB file twversion thing is used now	[19:53]
kerrnel	99% of servers I've ever seen use a standard base locale database that describes the months, days, and their abbreviations.	[19:53]
sylvieg	kerrnel: how do I change it because now on one server I have the wrong abbrev ... I am not sure the hosting will let me change it	[19:54]
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zorp	hi all	[19:55]
kerrnel	I can provide a copy of the english-us utf-8 locale if you wish. It is, for dates, identical to the english-gb (or -uk as we use) locale.	[19:55]
sylvieg	which file it is? not sure I can change it on my hosting	[19:56]
kerrnel	I'm not sure how to change it in your system's locale settings if that's what you mean. I would imagine it's probably as easy as editing the /usr/share/locale/en files	[19:56]
sylvieg	but in a share hosting?	[19:56]
lphuberdeau	can't modify that on shared hosting	[19:56]
kerrnel	That I'm not sure of.	[19:56]
sylvieg	can I ask my hosting ... ok your file is bad - please chjange it	[19:57]
luciash	lphuberdeau: actually more intuitive would be to set up writing perms on the installer/ folder and put the lock there (that's why the installer folder was introduced because you couldn't do that with old tiki-install.php in tiki root)	[19:57]
kerrnel	It would probably be easier, as you suggested, to create a custom language file	[19:57]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14051 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/2.0 14030 to 14049	[19:58]
sylvieg	but it will cahnge nothing to have a custom file...	[19:58]
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sylvieg	I changed the abbrevs at this time because thre is nopthing to do in the pear lib to do a sub of 3 it is not a system setting	[19:58]
luciash	lphuberdeau: imho using the db/ for that purpose is confusing even when it was easier and quick to re-use that	[20:01]
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sylvieg	kerrnel: I found it getMonthAbbrname in pear/Date/Calc.php . This is the bad function it is why the translation are neceesary - or if you want to path the pear lib ... (even if I am against to patch the external lib)	[20:04]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14052 /trunk/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] Plugin UI would behave in strange ways if no parameters were defined	[20:07]
nickelodeon	hi i had asked earlier about putting plugin parameters in quotes, eg {HELLOWORLD(name="A,hjdkshf", education="none")} {HELLOWORLD} ...in my plugin for some reason when I use quotes, the function uses the value of the first parameter passed for ALL of the params...eg, it would use A,hjdkshf for name AND education	[20:13]
nyloth	nickelodeon: did you try to to replace the comma by a space ?	[20:16]
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nyloth	nickelodeon: but, well, it may be a problem in you module s/module/plugin/	[20:17]
nickelodeon	it supports spaces, but not commas and when I tried using dbl quotes, something odd happened, and the parameters didn't get passed properly	[20:19]
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kerrnel	sylvieg: I don't see anything wrong with that function ?	[20:22]
nickelodeon	nyloth - have you had luck passing a string with commas in it via a plugin?	[20:23]
nyloth	nickelodeon: not sure I already had to do this	[20:24]
kerrnel	If you want to translate to different date styles then go for it locally, but I don't think it should be a global setting that changes what every subsystem uses by default	[20:25]
Voxima	Hello! I need some help with a slight problem I'm having with the JS Plugin I'm not quite sure its working...	[20:25]
kerrnel	That's all I'm saying. You use %b in perl, in unix, in pear, it defaults to "Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, etc".	[20:25]
Voxima	I keep receiving this error "WARNING: No such module JS!"	[20:25]
lphuberdeau	located in lib/wiki-plugins-dist I think, dangerous plugin to use, not for public sites	[20:26]
nickelodeon	nyloth - reason i ask is that i am using Tiki plugin feature for parameterized templates, similar to built in functionality with MediaWiki...there is a lot of content w commas, obviously	[20:26]
Voxima	not for public sites... hmm well, I need JS to insert my LiveHelp code...	[20:26]
lphuberdeau	can cause all sorts of XSS attacks	[20:27]
Voxima	is there any way I can do this securely?	[20:27]
sylvieg	kerrnel: ah! they changed the funciotn in 1.9 it was return substr(Date_Calc::getMonthFullname($month), 0, $length); supposed it was fixed	[20:27]
lphuberdeau	you could write a custom plugin	[20:27]
Voxima	I'm not all that good with code... would I just copy and paste the Generated html?	[20:27]
lphuberdeau	plugins are quite easy to write, all you need to do is create a file containing two functions, one of them returning whatever you want to output	[20:28]
nickelodeon	yeah i am having a lot of fun w plugins today	[20:29]
Voxima	hmm	[20:30]
nickelodeon	i really wish i could nail this "passing a comma to a plugin" quandary	[20:30]
lphuberdeau	hum... just need to encose the value between quotes {CODE(caption=>"Hello, World!")}Foo{CODE} works for me	[20:32]
nickelodeon	lphub - hm i see - i was trying var1=foo, var2=bar...lemme try var1=>"foo,bar"	[20:33]
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Voxima	one more thing - where do I go to edit the code for modules directly? I need to fix the google adsense thing xD	[20:35]
kerrnel	sylvieg: So in 1.9 the pear function for getMonthAbbr was just a simple return? Much more involved in 2.0 if that's the case. Still don't have any objection to how it's doing it though. :)	[20:35]
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nickelodeon	voxima - libwiki-plugins	[20:36]
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Voxima	ah, alright thanks	[20:36]
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icltlfatppl	anyone here working on edutiki?	[20:41]
sylvieg	kerrnel: I tested strftime on my system it gives me Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec icltlfatppl: xavi? but not thre now	[20:42]
kerrnel	as it should	[20:43]
icltlfatppl	k. thanks sylvieg. looking to see if maybe the tikidav project has moved along any. looks kinda beta and some of the doc/demo links are broken.	[20:44]
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kerrnel	it's on my list icltfatppl	[20:45]
marclaporte	kerrnel: : ring	[20:45]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14053 /branches/2.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] sanitization: fix false positive in sanitization for wiki syntax {img link=}	[20:49]
Voxima	hello again! - how would I go about changing the Google ad_client number for my google adsense module (came with the wiki)?	[20:49]
nickelodeon	I am stumped...i tried using,eg var1=>"foo,bar", var2=> "bar,foo" to pass to my plugin....the output is just "foo,bar", "foo,bar" -- ie, the plugin uses the first value for ALL of the parameters it receives... anyone ever see that before?	[20:53]
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nickelodeon	then when I take out the quotes, everything displays perfectly... is there some setting i need to change within the wiki? i am running 1.9.11	[20:54]
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nyloth	nickelodeon: it's probably the same, but maybe test the upcoming 2.0 ?	[20:59]
nickelodeon	nyloth - yeah bc of this and a few other issues i've found w 1.9.11 i have thought of upgrading; but i am v surprised that more people haven't encountered my issue...	[21:00]
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nyloth	nickelodeon: I never used 1.9.x ;)	[21:07]
marclaporte	nickelodeon: : which plugin?	[21:09]
kerrnel	sylvieg: If you have some time to think about it, I wanted to talk to you about the tracker... specifically the export tool you wrote and the reporting stuff I'm trying to get finished	[21:10]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14054 /branches/2.0/lib/tikilib.php: backport because missing up fresh install	[21:13]
nickelodeon	hi mark - this is a plugin i set up myself	[21:14]
sylvieg	ok	[21:15]
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sylvieg	kerrnel: I will be great if you add an option from this date in the export trackers + an independant page not in tiki-admin_trackers ... like this I thing we can cover your need and mine and btw kerrnel : do we rollback the months translation as it is not easy in share hosting to control the abbrvs and php is not so good	[21:21]
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marclaporte	bbl	[21:24]
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SEWilco2	Is there a way to have a plugin like {FLASH} show its image right-justified with ordinary text flowing around it? nickelodeon: It's unlikely, but you might also try var1=>foo,bar, var2=> bar,foo	[21:27]
kerrnel	Is it an option for you to use a custom language file? Someone suggested it earlier. One of us is going to have to use a custom translation, I'm just thinking for most folks they're used to Jan Feb Mar. Up to you entirely	[21:34]
sylvieg	It is not a question to be used - as it is incorrect	[21:34]
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kerrnel	Depends which standard you're looking at. Maybe we should open it up for further discussion	[21:35]
sylvieg	english standard English standard	[21:35]
kerrnel	Our documentation uses locale standard As I say, I have never seen March abbreviated to March. It's always been 3 letters	[21:36]
sylvieg	it is where you lost me - which documentation - is there a proper page - or it is only screen shot? so perhaps Mach is wrong http://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/reference/months.html	[21:36]
nyloth	kerrnel: same quesiton as sylvieg : which documentation are you talking about ? do you have a link ?	[21:39]
sylvieg	seems the rule is only june and july are not abbr sylvieg missing the Grevisse for English speakers	[21:40]
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sylvieg	we need to fix once of this day the upload img in wiki that loads only the last img....	[21:52]
franck	nyloth: appreciate a rebuild of mods...	[21:53]
icltlfatppl	when uploading files to the file gallery, how do I keep tikiwiki from trying to display binary files as text?	[21:54]
nyloth	franck: I know, I'm on it ... just a fix to commit on sanitization and will do... but I have no script yet, since svn migration ;p ...	[21:54]
franck	nyloth: thanks	[21:54]
icltlfatppl	anytime I upload a reasonably large binary (e.g. an office document bigger than a couple meg) tikiwiki freaks out and tries to display the file contents on the screen.	[21:55]
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kerrnel	nyloth: As I've mentioned numerous times, if you go to the Admin:General screen, go down to the date options, and click on the Date and Time Format Help, it explains the % settings by taking you to the PHP documentation for strftime(). strftime() says it loses locale settings.	[22:04]
nyloth	kerrnel: ok, I see now what you mean. Maybe we should just change the link to a page on doc.tw.o that explains the syntax and that it is translated into something else after...	[22:09]
kerrnel	Every OS's locale settings that I've seen for english-us or english-uk for UTF8 uses: http://sh.nu/p/24782 Why when everybody's date format in 1.9 was the same?	[22:10]
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kerrnel	Consider this... http://sh.nu/p/24783	[22:14]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14056 /branches/2.0/lib/setup/sanitization.php: [FIX] sanitization: tune a bit more to avoid some false positive like 'linked' instead of 'link' (for all content keywords).	[22:17]
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nyloth	kerrnel: about your commit 14055 on dates... kerrnel: ...please rollback now kerrnel: ... no this one was a joke ;ppp :) kerrnel: If you have some time to work a bit more on html_select_date ... what about merging jscalendar inside ?	[22:19]
sylvieg	perhaps we can compromise Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. each one has the same lenght	[22:21]
nyloth	kerrnel: I mean : testing if prefs.javascript_enabled is 'y' to enable (or not) a javascript date picker, instead of the non-javascript one	[22:22]
sylvieg	it is better that before as each name has the same legth sylvieg thinks we will do an option	[22:22]
kerrnel	nyloth: Do we want to deviate that much from the smarty base functions? I can work on it, if that's the direction we want to go. sylvieg: I like that idea. Which standard do you want, the "literary" standard abbreviations, or the "computer" standard abbreviations.	[22:24]
nyloth	kerrnel: you're right, maybe not on this one, since it has the same name as the original smarty one. But maybe could we just call it as the fallback of our jscalendar smarty plugin kerrnel: and everywhere we want to have a javascript datapicker, we will use the jscalendar one, knowing that it is able to auto-fallback to non-javascript version	[22:26]
sylvieg	kerrnel: whatever	[22:27]
kerrnel	We can probably add a new function that abstracts. Let it figure out if we want to use the html smarty function or the one we wrote. That way we don't deviate too much	[22:27]
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nyloth	kerrnel: yes	[22:28]
kerrnel	sylvieg: On the tracker thing... What you're suggesting is pull out the csv export into a Reporting option, and add focus dates? Like report from period A to Z, and key on X date field?	[22:29]
nyloth	kerrnel: If you work on it, I would appreciate that it calls existing smarty plugins like jscalendar and html_select_date , instead of duplicated code. I suppose you agree with me, but just to be sure :)	[22:29]
kerrnel	nyloth: Yes, just a universal function that farms out to either one depending on what the options are. I can work on that	[22:30]
nyloth	kerrnel: ok, nice :) kerrnel: I think you can choose a pretty simple plugin name (for icons, I choosed 'icon') to look simple and push people to propagate it :)	[22:30]
kerrnel	I'm planning on adding more reporting options and detailed metrics and options to generate graphs and stuff you can include in wiki pages. I just like the idea of having all reporting-related stuff in one place.	[22:32]
marclaporte	kerrnel: do you have a trunk install handy?	[22:33]
kerrnel	I haven't updated it in a week, but yes, it's what I've been using to make all my commits. Get them working on my development site, then copy the changes to the trunk, and commit them I'll dabble with a name. {tikidate} or {tikidate_select} seem as good as any. Gotta run, will check IRC log when I get home. night	[22:34]
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sylvieg	lphuberdeau: everything works fine for me now on an upgrade - thanks a lot	[22:41]
lphuberdeau	I guess we just need to wait for the end of the security audits and we are good to go	[22:43]
nyloth	I agree	[22:44]
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nyloth	franck: mods.tw.o should be updated now. Could you test, please ?	[22:47]
franck	nyloth: will do immediately	[22:48]
nyloth	thx	[22:48]
sylvieg	guys: is it possible to tag what we commit in trunk - that can be a 2.0 bug fix ... like this people can patch their 2.0	[22:48]
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nyloth	sylvieg: probably by using a flag in the commit message, but some parts of 3.0 will be different from 2.0 quickly, and fixes will be hard to backport for people	[22:51]
Voxima	ugg - I've been wrestling with this javascript plugin all day o.o; does the js plugin work with the latest version of the wiki?	[22:52]
sylvieg	yes but for 3 months - I bet it will be easy - except if everybody commits a lot	[22:52]
franck	nyloth: yes, it is working, I was able to upgrade the dopplr wiki plugins	[22:53]
nyloth	sylvieg: we will commit a lot ;p ... but, well, I have no preference. Maybe propose this on devel list. franck: ok, thx :)	[22:53]
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franck	nyloth: thanks	[22:54]
nyloth	yw	[22:54]
franck	nyloth: I wonder if on the mods page, you could put a date, which would correspond to the last update?	[22:54]
nyloth	franck: there is one on mods.tw.o ... or are you speaking about something else ?	[22:55]
nkoth3_	nyloth/lphuberdeau: re - pretty much set except for security audits to finish - i agree	[22:55]
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lphuberdeau	release on Friday sounds good?	[22:56]
SEWilco2	kerrnel: As you mentioned a date interval, consider meanings such as "period" or "interval".	[22:56]
nkoth3_	let's wait for the latest auditor to come back with more first but from the feel of it... something like that	[22:57]
nyloth	yup franck: did you answer to securfrog for his suggestions (which I commented and partially took in account) ?	[22:57]
franck	nyloth: no	[22:58]
nyloth	franck: If you're ok, I leave you the communication part :)	[22:59]
franck	nyloth: really? If you put middlemen the message will get mixed up but I'll let securfrog know about your fixes	[22:59]
nyloth	franck: LOL, I take the risk ;)	[23:00]
sylvieg	sylvieg agrees the sort_mode was ... strnage	[23:01]
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nyloth	franck: (I'm not a diplomate) sylvieg: about your commit : "/--([^=]+)--/" sylvieg: why an equal sign ?	[23:01]
sylvieg	oops you are right oops sorry	[23:03]
nyloth	no problem :)	[23:03]
sylvieg	tr/me trying to do one thing one my job lists to day - and I missed it - ....	[23:05]
nyloth	:)	[23:05]
lphuberdeau	one thing thought... the pattern should allow dashes inside, just not 2 of em	[23:06]
sylvieg	ok - good point so the above line needs also to be tune	[23:06]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: sure, it has to be like the pattern above : "/--(.+?)--/" sylvieg: no, the above line is ok	[23:07]
sylvieg	yes the === is wrong	[23:07]
nyloth	oh yes, this one is wrong	[23:07]
sylvieg	dammit I copy paste the wrong one if fact it should be exactly 2...	[23:07]
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nyloth	sylvieg: yes	[23:11]
sylvieg	bbl dinner time I will fix it later	[23:13]
nyloth	ok, good night then I leave now, too late :)	[23:13]
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nyloth	bye	[23:13]
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SEWilco2	sylvieg: Got a few minutes for my SEFURL ideas? Oops, I just saw the "dinner time" comment. OK, snack time.	[23:24]
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lphuberdeau	(I can't answer questions in PM)	[23:31]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 makes joke about 12 hours and A.M.	[23:31]
lphuberdeau	NefariousC: what kind of information do you need to store?	[23:32]
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NefariousC	lphuberdeau: Some kinds of names.. few flags; the relationships between things...	[23:33]
lphuberdeau	can't an array hold it? this is mostly static information related to the code more than data	[23:33]
NefariousC	It's probably going to be a kinda large array, I suspect...	[23:34]
lphuberdeau	once loaded in memory it's the same array as if you take it from the DB probably does not need loading outside tiki-admin anyway	[23:35]
NefariousC	If I ask the DB, I can ask for the rows that are relevant, though	[23:35]
lphuberdeau	true	[23:35]
NefariousC	Storing data (even though it's sortof metadata) in code seems icky to me.	[23:36]
lphuberdeau	it's less trouble to manage that data will change from version to version	[23:36]
NefariousC	...which is why I was thinking of jamming it into YAML.	[23:37]
lphuberdeau	won't help the searching unless you split it in multiple files	[23:37]
NefariousC	Yeah, but I could slurp the contents of a YAML file into the DB more easily that futzing about with SQL updates or whatever.	[23:38]
lphuberdeau	that would make the update process harder kind of like to keep it to 2 steps... svn up, mysql script	[23:38]
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NefariousC	I'll bear that in mind (:	[23:42]

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