#tikiwiki 2008-08-09,Sat

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nightwork	is there anyway to get rid of the HomePage link at the top of the wiki home not the one in the left menu, but in the center of the screen I figured it out.	[00:15]
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nightwork	is there a permission to let people rate the articles?	[01:45]
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marclaporte	nightwork: : I don't think so it's all or nothing for wiki pages, yes	[02:02]
nightwork	So my articles have a rating on them, but how does that change How do people rate the article?	[02:03]
marclaporte	news articles? they click 1 to 10, AKAICR AFAICR	[02:04]
nightwork	But where is the 1-10 which they can click? or do I need to turn that on somewhere I have rankings turned on in the Admin-Articles page.	[02:05]
franck	marclaporte: can you come in #tikiwiki-monitor?	[02:06]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14132 /trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Activating spambot protection on registration by default. I notice more & more bots trying to register to TikiWiki sites. SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14131 /trunk/templates/tiki-view_articles.tpl: [MOD] Add a tip to add an article if there are none and person is allowed SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14130 /trim/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Backup restore/site migration support	[02:45]
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nightwork	Is it possible to reset the reads count for articles?	[04:43]
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nightwork	I just gotta say again that tikiwiki is great I keep finding more and more I can do. and it is so easy to do	[06:54]
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mattbmc	can anyone give me a tip on how/if I can unlimit the number of pages that displays in the listbox on tiki-edit_structure.php? The list under Use pre-existing is practically non-usable if you have a large number of pages...and something made me think this wasn't too tough a change.... found it... line 237 of tiki-edit_structure.php Having that configurable in the Wiki options would be cool. :-)	[07:53]
nightwork	how does the orphan pages work. I have made links to the pages already. Does it take time to update?	[08:05]
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mattbmc	Shouldn't take any time, no. Alright another Structures question....very strange thing happened when I tried to use the Create Page option on tiki-edit_structures.php. The page I was creating had a similar name, in part, to a pre-existing page. When I clicked Update, it didn't create the new page, it (somehow) game the old existing page a Structure alias of the new name I was trying to make into a page. Is there a way to control/edit/otherwise fix this, because now the page displays with the incorrect title. :-) The page name is not changed, mind you...if I try to Rename the page, it still shows the old name....it's just working (as it appears) like a Structure alias.... Dunno why it happened, didn't think it was possible to add an alias to any old Wiki page, and would like to know how to do/undo this.....thanks in advance!	[08:16]
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mattbmc	Jeeze....I'm going to bed now....I entered the title of the new page in the "Page alias" box which I've failed to notice up untill now. :-) Good night.	[08:25]
nightwork	at least you figured it out	[08:26]
mattbmc	;) thanks for that support needed at this point lol	[08:27]
nightwork	me too, I have so much left to do	[08:28]
mattbmc	get your orphan pages cleaned up?	[08:28]
nightwork	and so much to learn	[08:28]
mattbmc	oy...that never seems to change..	[08:28]
nightwork	nope it still says they are orphan, but I can get to them following the links from the homepage	[08:28]
mattbmc	I'm honestly not sure if orphan pages work of straight inter-page links, or if it works off of Structures / Categories.... Try putting some pages in a Structure or Cat them and see if they drop off your list.	[08:29]
nightwork	oh really, well maybe I need to read up on categories	[08:29]
mattbmc	I don't do much inter-page linking, so never paid attention to that....they do go off my Orphan list when I add to a structure tho....that happens to be my main organization method categories may work just as well... could be either or... (I'd have guessed that inter-page links would have been sufficient if you'd have asked me cold.)	[08:30]
nightwork	yeah, it might be that with inter-page links, it needs time to find them or something	[08:31]
mattbmc	try clearing your caches in System Admin just in case that has anything to do with it....	[08:32]
nightwork	will do	[08:32]
mattbmc	takes 2 seconds and who knows may help	[08:32]
nightwork	how do I do that exactly? Is it in tikiwiki or my browser?	[08:34]
mattbmc	tiki has it's own set of caches.....logged in as Admin, yoy have a System Admin menu option....there's 3 or 4 to do....	[08:35]
nightwork	I just cleared the logs found it didnt fix it yet	[08:35]
mattbmc	i bet it isn't gonna work that way then... it's instant when I add a page to a Structure	[08:37]
nightwork	yeah as of now all the pages are orphan and none of my pages have a backlink	[08:37]
mattbmc	hm I'm guessing Backlinks must reflect categories and orphans reflect structures? seems odd...gotta be wrong U have all those options clicked in the Wiki admin options already?	[08:37]
nightwork	well reading a little and it sounds like I should be using structures and catagories to build my knowledge base anyway yep	[08:39]
mattbmc	Definitely might help....I didn't for a while, then did categories, now I'm doing structures.... now they have tagging in tikiwiki as well....haven't messeg with that, but that should be another avenue...	[08:40]
nightwork	right, I am suprised with how good my site looks with only two days of work. No way I could have done it with raw html	[08:41]
mattbmc	On the page that sould have the backlink, do you even have a little drop-down menu at the top of the center column (above the edit/print controls)? yo i mean YA I learned CSS just for TIki....	[08:42]
nightwork	nope maybe it isnt turned on I thought it was	[08:43]
mattbmc	about 2 hours of noodling and I'd customized Tiki to match our corporate intratnet...	[08:43]
nightwork	let me check	[08:43]
mattbmc	"/tiki-admin.php?page=wiki"	[08:43]
nightwork	I have a checkmark in the backlink box under wiki features correcrt i mean correct	[08:44]
mattbmc	>100 pages on my home tiki and only 8 have backlinks. :-) Hum	[08:45]
nightwork	yeah I dont have a backlink button between edit and print	[08:46]
mattbmc	not a button, but a dropdown menu above them.....you'd defininite see it tho sounds like u got it right, so not sure why it's not displaying.	[08:47]
nightwork	Not sure, but it would be nice to get that working. That way I can make sure that people can get to them I also dont know how the user is supposed to rate articles I dont see where they pick 1-10 at So I still have a few things to work out, but it is coming along.	[08:48]
mattbmc	not using the Articles feature, or ratings at all really....not too sure I've been using Tiki since 1.9 came out or thereabouts....love working with it. :-) Seems like that's a common experience. (Not to say it's without it's warts...like anything) Hm... Definitely something wrong on your sys.. I jsut made two pages with only wiki-links to each other as content....not part of stuctures or categories.....and neither shows as an orphan. U using a release or the beta? o	[08:52]
nightwork	tikiwiki-1.9.11 as far as I know that is latest release	[08:57]
mattbmc	o ya... man...	[08:58]
nightwork	it must be some setting that I am missing, or maybe a module	[08:59]
mattbmc	What install script did you use? (e.g. slashdot, fishroom...) (I'll admit now I'm on the bastard 1.10 release....I haven't looked at a 1.9 release since 1.9.5 I think... )	[09:00]
nightwork	I just ftp the files myself then made the database, and ran install.php or something like that	[09:01]
mattbmc	yeah you get prompted on that page for an install script where it sets tiki in a certain way for you... used to be anyway that the options were Slashdot, fishroom, Basic....something like those...	[09:01]
nightwork	Im not sure then. I must have missed it	[09:03]
mattbmc	that way you could get one set up for Articles/sumissions like Slashdot.....or get it set up for a Fishroom which I think implies Forums.... can you re-run install.php manually? (and keep in mind I haven't seen that exact release...)	[09:03]
nightwork	right, I am really impressed with it over all. nope I cant run install.php	[09:04]
mattbmc	If you're not too far along, I think I'd suggest going nuclear and starting over from scratch... pick the Slashdot option from the install.php screen when you get there (unless one of the other options sounds closer to what you want)...	[09:05]
nightwork	that would suck, I have done a lot already It isnt really that big of a deal	[09:06]
mattbmc	I wouldn't pick anything like "no config" or "default"....leaves way too much to set up while you're learning.... Hm	[09:06]
nightwork	I mean the orphan pages would be nice to fix, but really doesnt effect the site. and until I start getting a bunch of people to the sire the rating are also not important so I have time to play with it probally about a month before we start getting a lot of traffic	[09:07]
mattbmc	well good luck!! I do have to hit the sack now... :-) May catch you on later - I'm around periodically	[09:08]
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nightwork	okay, thanks for the help	[09:09]
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mattbmc	o	[09:16]
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tomb	hey guys Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'tikidblib-adodb.php' (include_path='lib/pear:lib/adodb:lib/pear:lib:/home/tiki-3.x-svn/:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /home/tiki-3.x-svn/lib/tikidblib.php on line 20 what's happenning with the db lib ?	[11:02]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[11:33]
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pujib	hi! does anybody know, how to make 'add comment' form not show by default below the wiki page? (i still need the comment feature, but don't want it to appear without pressing 'add comment' button)	[19:11]
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MatWho	Does the Help System as a feature still exist in 2.0. I ask because it says it does in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/General+Admin and I would like to switch it on/off Thanks	[21:30]
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NefariousC	On the General page in admin, there's a checkbox for Help System that turns it on and off.	[21:35]
MatWho	NefariousC: Thanks, do you know if it is OK for me to update the doc.tw.o page?	[21:38]
NefariousC	I think the answer is yes. I'm just an innocent bystander, though <:	[21:38]
MatWho	NefariousC: So I will become an innocent documentation updater!! :)	[21:39]
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lphuberdeau	NefariousC, I added a bunch of preferences to enable/disable wikiplugins ... got a place for that in the admin panel reorg? ;) ~80 of em	[22:04]
NefariousC	I'll stash them behind the sofa or something.	[22:04]
lphuberdeau	sounds suitable once you've covered the wall with post-it notes trying to organize options in tiki, sometimes back of the sofa is all you have left ;)	[22:05]
NefariousC	Covered is something of an exaggeration d: ...if only because I have a lot of wall.	[22:07]
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NefariousC	As you can see, the post it notes look kinda lonely: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/2748077034_8f0766a019_b.jpg	[22:16]
lphuberdeau	you only have the top level menus not all the options ;)	[22:18]
NefariousC	Pfft. I wasn't going to make post it notes for each setting. A screenshot, let me show you one. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/2747261431_7578b20152_o.png	[22:18]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14136 /trunk/lib/mime/mimetypes.php: [ENH] update mimetypes SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14136 /trunk/lib/mime/mimetypes.php: [ENH] update mimetypes SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14132 /trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Activating spambot protection on registration by default. I notice more & more bots trying to register to TikiWiki sites.	[22:34]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: hi :)	[23:25]
lphuberdeau	hello	[23:25]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: sept_7 has found that wysiwyg is broken in trunk, due to the new wiki plugin javascript. Did he already told you ?	[23:25]
lphuberdeau	no but the new JS really does not interact with anything	[23:26]
nyloth	ok. I think he didn't have enough time to fix it. I know, but there is probably an incompatibility Try, you will see trunk wysiwyg is dead since weeks	[23:26]
lphuberdeau	I don't even know how wysiwyg is supposed to work	[23:27]
nyloth	when you commited ./tiki-jsplugin.php lphuberdeau: in features, enabled wysiwyg (experimental features) lphuberdeau: and then, admin > home > wysiwyg : enable it try with and without tiki-jsplugin.php, you will see :) sept_7 and I loosed a lot of time to find which commit broke things... and since it was late, I had to go... I suppose he leaved too and didn't have time to fix it	[23:27]
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lphuberdeau	not better	[23:32]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: what is not better ?	[23:32]
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lphuberdeau	and really, unless FCKEditor uses a variable called tiki_plugins, there is no way this could break it	[23:33]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: it's no so simple, there may be javascript conflicts	[23:33]
lphuberdeau	hum... no such thing not unless you load frameworks like prototype that break default behavior	[23:34]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: did you already tried to make jquery work with prototype, etc. ? there is compatibility problems lphuberdeau: but, hey, wysiwyg was working just before the commit that included js plugin	[23:34]
lphuberdeau	are you 100% certain?	[23:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes	[23:35]
lphuberdeau	could it be something else?	[23:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes, but it's this commit. We didn't have time to search wich part of code exactly lphuberdeau: let me find the revision...	[23:35]
lphuberdeau	fckeditor is impossible to debug all code on one line makes things impossible to isolate	[23:37]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: we don't have to, it's a third party lib	[23:37]
lphuberdeau	well, figuring out what causes the JS error in the lib helps figuring out what the problem is	[23:37]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: that's right ;) lphuberdeau: if I remember well, the revision 13873 broke wysiwyg lphuberdeau: you can try 13872 after cleaning your caches, it should work nice lphuberdeau: and since 13873, it does not load anymore	[23:38]
lphuberdeau	works in 13990	[23:42]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: ok, sorry, I didn't remember the right commit then. Mea culpa. But it may be due to 13991, which is the other commit where js plugin was involved. Did you test 13991 ?	[23:44]
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nyloth	lphuberdeau: did you find something ?	[23:56]
lphuberdeau	isolating from plugin_ui branch	[23:56]
nyloth	ok	[23:56]

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