[00:02] which version are you updating from / how did you install? [00:02] missed this one [00:03] was a patient one [00:06] * SEWilco2 arrives to check the patient. Checks Admissions for the patient. [00:07] *** SEWilco2 has quit IRC ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") [00:34] *** SEWilco has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [00:35] *** SEWilc1 has joined #tikiwiki [00:53] hehe [00:55] *** franck has left [01:10] *** franck has joined #tikiwiki [01:20] *** marclaporte has quit IRC ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") [01:26] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:34] *** Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki [01:34] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [01:57] *** SEWilc1 is now known as SEWilco [02:15] *** Darkbee has joined #tikiwiki [02:16] Great work on 2.0 devs! Looks great. Tiki is improving all the time and I've only been using it 6 months! [02:26] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [02:46] *** nkoth3 has quit IRC () [02:54] *** Darkbee has quit IRC ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") [03:25] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [03:26] *** NefariousC has quit IRC () [03:37] *** nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki [04:10] *** Lucymoz has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [05:09] *** franck has left [05:24] *** RobotGuy is now known as RobotGuy-Out [05:32] *** NightWork has joined #tikiwiki [05:33] Can anyone explain how how backlinking works? [05:34] NightWork: Do you mean how the info is stored, or how to use it? (it's a pulldown menu of Wiki pages with wikilinks to the current page) [05:49] *** srishti has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [05:54] *** priti has joined #tikiwiki [06:34] *** RobotGuy-Out is now known as RobotGuy [06:35] I guess what I am most interested in getting the pages easy to follow with somesort of ordered format. [06:35] I looked at categories, sturctures and backlinks and still dont know what the best way is [06:36] I thought the orphan pages would be a great way check that no pages are left behind, but all my pages are orphaned. [06:44] Nightwork, orphan pages are pages that are not linked to from other pages. Is this the case at your site? [06:47] polom polom [06:47] congrats for the 2.0 release everyone ! :) [07:01] *** pkdille has joined #tikiwiki [07:01] *** pkdille has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [07:01] *** pkdille has joined #tikiwiki [07:03] *** Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki [07:12] *** RobotGuy has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [07:21] I have made several links from pages. But they still are orphan [07:40] *** nkoth3 has quit IRC () [07:42] The _linked-to_ pages are listed as orphans? [08:08] *** chibaguy has left [08:16] *** navirao has joined #tikiwiki [08:18] *** navirao has quit IRC () [08:24] *** Paragtim has joined #tikiwiki [08:27] Hi all - Anybody know a fix for the FCKeditor toolbar doesn't exist error? [08:36] yep, the pages that I have links too are listed as orphan. I used the regular link format of [link_address|Link Text] and the link works fine. But the pages are still listed as orphan [08:48] *** franck has joined #tikiwiki [09:53] NightWork: you have to use wiki link syntax, not external link syntax [11:04] *** PS|bot has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [11:04] *** PS|bot has joined #tikiwiki [11:08] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [11:14] *** pujib has joined #tikiwiki [11:16] hi, all. is __==some-text==__ formatting breaking the definition list (so, ;__==la-la-la==__:bu-bu-bu doesn't work) a by-design feature or a bug of tikiwiki-2.0? [11:17] *** MatWho has joined #tikiwiki [11:45] *** lq_355 has joined #tikiwiki [11:47] *** lq_705 has joined #tikiwiki [11:47] *** lq_705 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:48] *** ricks99_ has joined #tikiwiki [11:58] *** otabz has joined #tikiwiki [11:58] pujib: afaik ==foo== is no tikiwiki syntax [11:59] pujib: {DL()}__===la-la-la===__:bu-bu-bu{DL} works [12:01] *** MatWho_ has joined #tikiwiki [12:04] luciash: thanks a lot, that's what i needed [12:04] (yes ==foo== is a typo, i meant ===foo===) [12:06] *** tomb has joined #tikiwiki [12:09] *** MatWho__ has joined #tikiwiki [12:09] does {DL} have some parameters? i could use them to reduce space between neighbour definitions which is too big [12:11] *** MatWho__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:13] oh, never mind, i got it how to use them correctly, that fixes excessive space [12:19] *** MatWho has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:23] *** MatWho_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:25] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie [12:48] *** NefariousC has joined #tikiwiki [12:49] *** NefariousC has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [12:59] *** Bilal has joined #tikiwiki [13:00] any tikiwiki expert here? [13:00] helloo [13:00] hi Bilal [13:00] hi ricks99_ [13:01] ricks99_: do you know to work with TIKIWIKI ? [13:01] sure. i can try to help [13:17] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [13:20] *** Bilal has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [13:21] *** martinalex has joined #tikiwiki [13:30] *** lq_355 has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") [13:31] *** tomekkott has joined #tikiwiki [13:33] *** otabz has left [13:43] *** otabz has joined #tikiwiki [14:15] *** Bilal has joined #tikiwiki [14:26] *** nikhilodeon has joined #tikiwiki [14:33] *** PrezKennedy has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:36] helloo [14:36] any tikiwiki expert here? [14:44] *** martinalex has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:48] *** PrezKennedy has joined #tikiwiki [15:18] *** pujib has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [15:30] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away [15:31] *** otabz has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [15:48] hi Bilal [15:53] *** Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki [15:54] hi Bilal [15:54] Bilal: : I got your email. How are you? [15:54] hi marclaporte [15:55] marclaporte: glad to see you, just figuring TIKIWIKI out [15:55] hehe [15:55] I am glad you are looking into it [15:55] lots to learn [15:55] you had a look at our website marclaporte ? [15:55] 1.9.11 or 2.0 for you? [15:56] 1.9.11 [15:56] not the latest one [15:56] marclaporte: i will appreciate if you can have a look around [16:05] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [16:10] *** Bilal_ has joined #tikiwiki [16:12] *** SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki [16:15] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie [16:19] *** Wilkins has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:20] *** Bilal has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:23] *** snarlydwarf has joined #tikiwiki [16:37] *** Bilal__ has joined #tikiwiki [16:37] *** Bilal__ is now known as Bilal [16:44] *** kerrnel has joined #tikiwiki [16:44] Howdy [16:44] *** Bilal has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:44] is there a problem with the cvs mailing list on svn? [16:45] s/svn/sf/ [16:46] actually, none of the mailing lists are working on sf [16:46] *** Bilal_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [16:49] I receive svn commit messages every day [16:49] I mean the archive [16:49] *** RobotGuy has joined #TikiWiki [16:50] it says it is either not archived yet, or no emails have been sent to it [16:55] How can I find out what files were affected by a revision number in svn? [16:59] svn log -v -r234 [17:15] *** nyloth has joined #tikiwiki [17:15] Hi all :) [17:16] *** SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [17:25] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away [17:33] SVN: Commit by jonnybradley :: r 14185 /trunk/: [MOD] Added .cache to svn:ignore (dir generated by Eclipe PDT) [17:37] *** martinalex has joined #tikiwiki [17:37] polom [17:38] kerrnel: : feeling better today? [17:39] SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions [17:44] No [17:45] my site is completely broken and no matter what I try to do to fix it, it remains broken [17:45] I'm having to push out my upgrade indefinitely [17:46] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie [17:50] I turned off mootools and shadowbox (neither of which I ever recall activating) and suddenly I have a feature_pear_date disabled and an anon_contact disabled. My understanding was the pear date was for php4, so I don't know what's going on. [17:51] Something's changed significantly with the templates or something else that I need to track down because I've got the left and right bars at the bottom of my page under each other. And my phplayers menu is gone. [17:51] Does anybody know what the "programmer" tab is and why Workflow is now under it instead of Experimental? [17:51] because it's for programmers [17:52] and it's not experimental [17:52] it works in production for many people [17:52] non-programmers can't use Galaxia and they can be disappointed [17:52] (I changed that) [17:53] kerrnel, changes are expected in trunk... [17:53] * rick thinks that the tab labels could be improved... [17:54] Yes, but I am forced to use trunk because of the features I need in 2.0 [17:54] why does nobody understand this? [17:55] I don't want to use trunk. I'd prefer a MINOR feature branch in 2.0 based on a non-experimental codebase. [17:55] But I can't have that, so I have to use trunk [17:55] the whole point of using a dev branch is to do dev, something you have to live with if you use trunk anywhere close to production [17:56] having minor feature branches on a 6 month release schedule is overkill [17:57] I don't think we ever released at intervals shorter than 6 month anyway [17:59] you might want to ask nyloth how they deal with it, because they handle custom stuff and integrate in trunk [18:03] No use in me arguing my point. [18:04] there are alternatives on your side, but we can't turn around the community to fit your schedule [18:05] recommended reading of the day: Software Configuration Management Patterns [18:06] *** priti has left [18:08] yeah, thanks, I'll go read that [18:08] *** kerrnel has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC") [18:13] *** martinalex has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [18:13] *** martinalex has joined #tikiwiki [18:31] *** Timoth1 has joined #tikiwiki [18:59] hi all [18:59] i got the install script to install all the oracle sql statements correctly [19:00] now i need to debug the other files that seem to be going wrong. All I get is a simple error message in a template, is there a way to get more error information (such as which file gave the error?) [19:01] *** MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki [19:01] CONGRATULATIONS ON THE RELEASE!!! :) :) [19:02] * MacLeod can't wait to try it. Gave our contractors the order to set up a test site ASAP. [19:12] tom, that's where the fun starts isn't it? ;) [19:18] *** PrezKennedy has quit IRC ("Leaving") [19:24] *** tomekkott has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [19:37] hi has anyone worked with moreneat.css much? i have a problem with "stacking" of the right-hand column over the main column in Internet Explorer...of course it looks great in Firefox [19:46] *** tomekkott has joined #tikiwiki [19:56] Hm, doc.tw.o isn't running 2.0 yet... is there a tw.o or other TW site where I can try out 2.0's fckeditor implementation? [19:57] I've got a page in doc.tw.o in edit mode, but I don't see how to make it show as WYSIWYG instead of wiki syntax [20:01] *** tomekkott has quit IRC () [20:02] not enabled on doc [20:02] *** martinalex has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [20:03] you can't go back and forth from wysiwyg to wiki at this time, which is why it's still in experimental [20:03] we want doc to remain wiki [20:04] so wysiwyg only outputs HTML? [20:05] yes [20:06] ack. [20:06] Can individual pages be protected so that they remain wiki syntax? [20:07] main issue is that FCK not only produces HTML, it produces bad HTML [20:07] I don't know about that [20:07] :( [20:08] I would guess that if created wiki, it remains wiki [20:08] that would be much better than if a wysiwyg-happy editor were able to destroy my wiki syntax pages [20:08] *** tomekkott has joined #tikiwiki [20:09] rollback still works ;) [20:09] some of them depend on modules and tw syntax tricks [20:09] yah, but it won't do much for encouraging editing among users who hate HTML and wiki syntax [20:10] that's why it was moved to experimental, we need a better solution [20:11] * MacLeod doesn't understand what "moved to experimental" means [20:11] in the feature list, it's in the experimental tab [20:12] ok, it's not considered a ready-for-primetime feature [20:12] more like use at your own risk, because it does work [20:13] is there a part of tw.o that talks about this? [20:13] docs? (guessing) [20:13] nah, WYSIWYG section of docs is basically a stub [20:18] *** tomekkott has quit IRC () [20:27] *** nikhilodeon has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [20:28] *** nikhilodeon has joined #tikiwiki [20:29] wow so it looks like FCKEditor might be replaced in the next release? [20:30] maybe not the next one [20:30] still no good candidate out there [20:30] bummer - i thought FCKEditor was gonna be the silver bullet for non-Wikitexters who wanted to add formatting [20:32] hey btw has anyone else had any issues with viewing moreneat.css in IE? the right column appears stacked on top of the main column for me [20:34] *** tomekkott has joined #tikiwiki [20:36] @nikh: i was excited about FCKeditor, too. And not just because of the name. [20:41] haha [20:41] yeah i almost got fired for suggesting the editor based on the name alone [20:44] nice [20:47] hi all, I had a rather silly sounding question about installations. I am about to install tw2.0. When there are new versions out (bugfixes and the like), do I just overwrite my tw directory and I'm upgraded? [20:48] need to run an SQL update script too [20:49] i presume there's a web interface for that? [20:49] tiki-install does it [20:49] ahh, i see, so I just run tiki-install again [20:55] can't say if it will work on oracle [20:55] * MacLeod waves [20:55] *** MacLeod has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") [20:55] hehe, yeah that's my worry... but i'll get to that when I get to that. I'm down to about 50 errors on the normal install [20:56] are they getting harder to solve / more specific? [20:56] yeah [20:57] its also that the SQL syntax on the normal MySQL file gets more wonky the further down [20:57] so I have to do more checking etc [20:57] i'm still going to have to figure out how to change any and all long tablenames and columns [20:57] that's probably half the errors at the moment [20:59] can be hard to fix [20:59] affects code as well [20:59] how many symbols cause problems? [20:59] exactly [20:59] about 20 or 30 [21:00] might be able to hack the driver to find/replace those specific ones [21:00] like before the actual query execution [21:00] yeah, and I think half of them might go if I do a general replace of tiki_ with t_ or something [21:00] hmm that is an idea [21:02] if you just truncate them, do you get conflicts? [21:02] yes on some, things like "live_support_message_comments" [21:02] the problem is that in oracle you need sequences and triggers [21:02] oh, right, not fun [21:03] so the easiest thing is to take the table name and add a letter [21:03] for live support... you can ignore them safely [21:03] you're probably not going to use that [21:03] but that means you have "live_support_message_commentsS" and "live_support_message_commentsT" [21:03] yeah, but while I'm at it, I'd like to get things working :) [21:07] plus, if I can find an easy fix to that, I will fix related problems in say "content_templates_sections" and "tracker_item" [21:07] both of which I want to use [21:07] *** Timoth2 has joined #tikiwiki [21:07] *** Timoth2 has left [21:07] *** Timoth2 has joined #tikiwiki [21:08] replacements could do it [21:08] *** vilisi_t has joined #tikiwiki [21:09] yeah, I have a ruby script already that looks for all occurences of case 'oci8': and adds in case 'oracle': in all the files of the directory [21:09] i figure i'll just do something similar for the table names [21:10] you can just patch the query function and avoid replacing everything everywhere [21:11] is there only one query function though? [21:11] should all go down to the same place in the end [21:14] you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head where? [21:14] *** tomb has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat") [21:14] my guess would be lib/tiki-db.php [21:14] although I may be wrong on the exact filename [21:17] * marclaporte hopes tiki will work well on Oracle.... [21:18] * marclaporte has an Oracle DB CD somewhere and was looking for a reason to use it... [21:18] you can just as well download it from their website [21:18] *** PrezKennedy has joined #tikiwiki [21:19] out of curiosity, who or what updates the main install sql script? [21:19] or is it all commits? [21:19] done before releases, or when someone feels like it [21:19] *** marclaporte has quit IRC ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") [21:20] could there be a warning somewhere to please keep one style of sql? [21:22] well, if you could summarize what's causing you problem, we can update guidelines and review for it [21:24] well, its just that if you look at the beginning of the file, and at the end of the file, the syntax is different, such as at first, nothing has `, then slowly ` start creeping in. Then things are FULL CAPS or not caps. Then things such as INDEX are used instead of KEY, and theres KEY something ('something') or KEY ('something') or KEY('something') or any other countless variations. So I guess I would prefer someone to copy the style at the beginning of t [21:24] sorry, long rant [21:24] *** Timoth1 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:25] can you email me these things with examples? [21:25] sure [21:25] lphuberdeau@tikiwiki.org is supposed to work, never tried it [21:27] *** NefariousC has joined #tikiwiki [21:27] ok [21:28] i'll work on that in a second [21:28] take your time, probably won't look at it until tomorrow [21:28] rightio [21:30] *** SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki [21:43] *** SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [21:44] *** RobotGuy has left "I'll be back.." [21:49] *** NefariousC has quit IRC ("Read error: 69 (No host to route)") [21:53] SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14188 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] don't include cssmenu if they are not enabled [21:53] SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions [21:53] SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14186 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] hum... BPB for sylvie : missing table tag tr/td and capitalisation was missing [22:04] *** PrezKennnedy has joined #tikiwiki [22:13] *** nikhilodeon has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [22:18] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away [22:19] *** PrezKennedy has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [22:30] *** icltlfatppl has joined #tikiwiki [22:30] anyone know where the captcha module for tikiwiki is? I can see that it's been implemented but can't find it in the docs. [22:55] *** Paragtim has quit IRC ("A day without sunshine is like .... night") [22:59] does anyone know the FIRST function that checks the database in tiki-index.php (inlcuding all included files) [23:05] *** SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki [23:07] *** SEWilco2_ has joined #tikiwiki [23:09] I see that Dynamic Content descriptions are in tiki_content. Where is the corresponding HTML? The tables with obvious names are empty, so I haven't found the right one yet. [23:11] *** SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [23:11] *** SEWilco2_ is now known as SEWilco2 [23:13] NM. Found it in tiki_programmed_content. [23:16] *** icltlfatppl has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") [23:27] SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14192 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Added a quiet option to plugin so that you can optionally display 'No articles.' in a page, or nothing if there happen to be none. [23:30] please, anyone, I really really really really need a better debug than a "Tikiwiki is unable to coonnect to database" error [23:31] at least which file?! [23:31] *** Timoth1 has joined #tikiwiki [23:32] *** fan1 has joined #tikiwiki [23:32] *** Morphous has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [23:33] really, all i need to know is WHERE to start fixing things for oracle. But I'm going CRAZY just trying to find out where to start. All I keep getting is an "invalid character" error. which is fine, if I knew what tw was trying to do [23:33] please anyone, i'm really going crazy [23:34] *** Morphous has joined #tikiwiki [23:35] please? anyone? [23:38] is there anyway to execute php line by line through a webclient? [23:40] i am seriously begging someone to know anything about better debugging, line by line, or something, because I cannot find where in the world the error is being thrown [23:40] pleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleease [23:42] if you know, please email gmail: tkott.spam [23:42] seriously, i'm begging [23:42] *** tomekkott has quit IRC () [23:49] *** Timoth2 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [23:49] *** Timoth2 has joined #tikiwiki [23:58] *** mattbmc has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))