#tikiwiki 2008-09-10,Wed

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chibaguy	In the topbar custom code, {if $prefs.style eq "newtheme.css"}{include file="styles/newtheme/newtheme_top.tpl"}{/if} works _only_ when I'm logged in.	[01:56]
	In 1.9, {if $style eq "tikineat.css"...} works as a filter (used in themes.tw.o menu module, for example). ...and works consistently whether user is logged in or not.	[02:03]
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chibaguy	I thought the $ -> $prefs. change was just a matter of syntax. But did functionality also change?	[02:08]
	$prefs.style gives priority to user theme preference _over_ the theme set by Theme Manager. So I guess I need to find a better way to filter. IOW if I choose Theme A as my personal theme pref, but Page B uses Theme B as set by Theme Manager, then Page B is displayed correctly with Theme B. But the topbar custom code filter doesn't work, and the custom code only displays if I set my user pref theme to Theme B.	[02:14]
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MatWho_	Hi	[02:19]
chibaguy	Hi, MatWho_	[02:21]
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luciash	polom Landon: if you have Acrobat Reader plugin in your web browser installed it should display PDF "inline" with link syntax using shadowbox relation, e.g. [URLtothePDFfile\|My PDF file\|shadowbox;title=My PDF]	[04:07]
Landon	ah, that's great, thanks!	[04:11]
luciash	np :)	[04:15]
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chibaguy	I wonder if there's a way to have more than one theme (and CSS file) like new-theme-blue.css, new-theme-red.css use the same templates/styles/new-theme/ files.	[05:38]
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luciash	chibaguy: yes, it is chibaguy: it works like with user customized CSS styles via Tiki chibaguy: means if you create simple-gary.css it will reuse simple's tpl files	[05:43]
chibaguy	Really, just by using hyphen?	[05:44]
luciash	yep	[05:44]
chibaguy	Oh boy. thanks	[05:44]
luciash	heh, np	[05:45]
chibaguy	btw, I watched amette's video last night. very smooth. :-)	[05:45]
luciash	yeah, me too, very nice, we trained him ;)	[05:46]
chibaguy	:-)	[05:46]
luciash	luciash wonders why there's no video from the wiki house party though :-p	[05:49]
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chibaguy	chibaguy thinks: maybe censored.	[05:49]
mib_uv76ha	Hello ! Do you know if there's a way to render milestones on tikiwiki, a bit like this http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap ?	[05:51]
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chibaguy	mib_uv76ha, there's a "gauge" plugin -- Displays a graphical GAUGE:{GAUGE(color=>, bgcolor=>, max=>, value=>, size=>, label=>, labelsize=>, perc=>, height=>)}description{GAUGE} General purpose, not specifically for milestones.	[05:53]
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chibaguy	You'd have to add the labels/links manually.	[05:54]
xiaomao	hmm, I was thinking of something like a plug-in that could display bug numbers and link their status with bugzilla maybe too ambitious	[05:55]
chibaguy	If Tiki has another method, I don't know.	[05:55]
xiaomao	ok thanks	[05:56]
chibaguy	There's Trackers and the wiki plugin for them, but I'm not sure about this use exactly. chibaguy seriously needs to get some Tracker experience. As far as reporting bugzilla data automatically/dynamically, you'd have to code that, as a plugin, afaik.	[05:56]
xiaomao	ok Trackers is impressive anyway	[06:00]
chibaguy	Looking at that edgewall roadmap, that'd be a nice feature for trackers to have.	[06:03]
xiaomao	Well, I' m first looking for other stuff that does the same thing. Some seem very complete http://www.taskjuggler.org/screenshots/TaskJuggler/TJ-TaskReport2.png !	[06:08]
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chibaguy	Well, a specialized tool, I guess can be something for Tiki to aim for, but hard to reach, as a practical matter.	[06:11]
xiaomao	I' m thinking of maybe a web app to manage entries and do bugzilla stuff, and let the roadmap being displayed as an external image anyway, thank you for your ideas	[06:15]
chibaguy	np, good luck.	[06:15]
xiaomao	I let you know when my (kick asses-) timeline plug-in is ready !	[06:16]
chibaguy	Hey, great. Thanks. :-)	[06:16]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 14659 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_newsletter_subscriptions.tpl: [FIX] Display complete email	[09:19]
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MacLeod	'morning!	[12:48]
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ricks99	hi MacLeod	[13:01]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 14660 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_newsletter_subscriptions.tpl: [SEC] Some missing escapes on input variables	[13:03]
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MacLeod	ricks, you write TikiWiki for Smarties?	[13:19]
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ricks99	yup	[13:21]
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MacLeod	nice work :)	[13:29]
ricks99	ty	[13:29]
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MacLeod	Hm, looks like Anon users are now (v2.0) getting an error message before they have even tried to log in to our site, because they don't have access to view the home page. This will undoubtedly confuse and deter some of them from trying to log in.	[13:34]
ricks99	is ur home page categorized? new perm (view_categorized) will be required	[13:35]
MacLeod	It's not categorized. Oh, wait... "categorize this object" is checked, but no category is selected. :) Let's try unchecking that... Still getting an error message when not logged in.	[13:36]
ricks99	try clearning tiki caches does page have page-specific perms?	[13:39]
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MacLeod	"No individual permissions, category permissions apply"	[13:41]
ricks99	page is uncategorized?	[13:41]
MacLeod	Page is uncategorized.	[13:41]
ricks99	wiki page? anon has tiki_p_view, right?	[13:42]
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Simmi	polom	[13:45]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 14661 /trunk/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [ENH] Capitalisation	[13:51]
MacLeod	Yes, wiki page. No, anon does not have tiki_p_view. This is an internal corporate site. However, I normally have the home page set to allow anon to view. Disabled that until the templates can be recustomized.	[13:52]
ricks99	u need to add tiki_p_view to that page only	[13:53]
MacLeod	First I have to re-customize the template so that contributor information doesn't show at the bottom. Or I suppose I could just disable contributor information in the meantime.	[13:54]
ricks99	in 2.0 u can override the contributor info on a page-by-page basis use the "list authors by page setting" on wiki config then edit the home page to omit the list authors	[13:56]
MacLeod	oh, good!	[13:58]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 14662 /trunk/db/features.csv: [MOD]lots of notes, tips, and dependencies added	[14:00]
MacLeod	Beautiful - that works. Thx, ricks! Wonder why the "Discuss" button still shows up at the bottom of the page for Anon? None of the others are there.	[14:02]
ricks99	does anon have forum perms?	[14:04]
MacLeod	Anon has nothing. Anons clicking that "Discuss" button get a "you don't have permission to use that feature" error.	[14:05]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14663 /branches/2.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]tracker: radio buttons can be separated by br or a space with an option <br>- the change should have never been done in 2.0	[14:06]
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ricks99	ahh.. button only checks if feature is enabled, doesnt do the perm check until later :( so much for wycsiwyca approach :(	[14:09]
MacLeod	that 'splains it I've got the same problem with the CATEGORY plugin.... or did in v1.9.x. Haven't checked to see if it's still that way in 2.0. I've gotta read the updates to category permissions, anyway.	[14:10]
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chibaguy	Anyone using the minichat module in 2.0?	[14:23]
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MacLeod	haven't tried it yet. wasn't too thrilled with the chat module in 1.9.9. Is this one different?	[14:28]
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MacLeod	Anyone know why any change to Admin:Features always disables feature_edit_templates and user_assigned_modules ?	[14:29]
chibaguy	Yes, MacLeod, this one is small and simple, uses Ajax for updates without a full page refresh, etc. And messages are stored in the db so will be there if you leave and come back. But it isn't working for me now. It worked earlier, before the 2.0 release.	[14:31]
MacLeod	interesting. the full page refresh was what I didn't like.	[14:31]
chibaguy	And xavi has it working on one of his sites. I don't know what the difference is.	[14:31]
MacLeod	where can I enable it? can't find it in admin:features.	[14:32]
chibaguy	No, it's a module, so on admin modules.	[14:32]
MacLeod	oh	[14:32]
chibaguy	You can run it in a wiki page with the module plugin, tho. (but maybe have to adjust the stylesheet if modules are limited to 170px wide or whatever.	[14:33]
MacLeod	goddamnit. I.S. must have the word "chat" in its ban list.	[14:34]
chibaguy	what happens?	[14:34]
MacLeod	googling "tikiwiki minichat module" gives me an access denied error	[14:35]
chibaguy	Did you try previewing the module?	[14:35]
MacLeod	DAMN! the tw.doc.o page itself is blocked! Yeah, I can preview the module. Was looking up doc.tw.o to see the parameters.	[14:35]
chibaguy	It should run without any parameters set. tho with parameters you can specify chat channels.	[14:37]
MacLeod	well, i assigned it to the left column, but whenever I try to enter anything I get an "Error on page" in the browser status bar. JS problem?	[14:38]
chibaguy	well, it doesn't work for me either. I'm not sure. No lines display and nothing turns up in the db table. (gotta walk the dog now. bbl.)	[14:39]
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MacLeod	didn't i see somewhere in the admin screens where we can enable Ajax?	[14:39]
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chibaguy_walking	yep	[14:40]
ricks99	* rick thinks tht ajax (like wysiwyg) is not yet ready for prime time :(	[14:40]
MacLeod	does that have to be enabled in order for minichat to work? so far the only thing i don't like about wysiwyg is that it's not compatible with wiki syntax	[14:41]
ricks99	like i said, not ready for prime time. i expect to be 100% switching/compatible (like confluence)	[14:42]
MacLeod	yah, ideally it should be. is that likely to happen soon, or is there a serious technical challenge with fckeditor and TW syntax? OK, I enabled Ajax (which of course disabled feature_edit_templates and user_assigned_modules again), but minichat still isn't working.	[14:42]
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MacLeod	Whoa! Enabling Ajax screwed up the icons (MyTiki, Bookmarks, Modules, etc.) in User Preferences.	[14:55]
sylvieg	thx chibaguy for your answer about ajax	[14:55]
MacLeod	They disappeared until I disabled Ajax.	[14:55]
chibaguy	That's right. With Ajax there's a different display in MyTiki. It was also working better before the release, but seems more or less bugged in 2.0l 2.0	[14:55]
MacLeod	Except I link straight to User Preferences, rather than to MyTiki.	[14:56]
chibaguy	I tried various combos of ajax and mootools, etc. to try to get minichat to work, and had no success.	[14:57]
MacLeod	nice module idea. better than shoutbox. i'd probably use it if it worked.	[14:58]
chibaguy	The only problem is the address bar activity, which kind goes through a cycle even tho the page is stable. Not really a problem, but kind of gives the site a busy feeling or something. Of course if you use the module in a dedicated page, then you expect that refresh thing going on.	[14:59]
MacLeod	dunno what our users would think of that	[15:00]
chibaguy	In a column when you're doing something else, it could be a little distracting.	[15:00]
MacLeod	although I think they'd be impressed by the ability to ask other wiki users, "Hey, does anyone know where the hell to find information on X?"	[15:00]
chibaguy	(gotta do some stuff, will be back a bit later)	[15:01]
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chibaguy	I wonder what the policy is on commits, how to choose to 2.0 or to trunk? For things like minor template modifications, etc. Guess I'll ask on the dev list.	[15:26]
Paragtim	I've been browsing around the different styles and on a couple there is a toolbox. It shows up in the left hand column but not in the modules section. 1st question - where do I find it? 2nd question can I move all the top icons into it. print, edit, backlinks etc. 3rd question how do close the gap between tiki-top and the columns below	[15:34]
sylvieg	chibaguy: you are not supposed too - but it is very tempting - I know...	[15:35]
chibaguy	hi sylvieg, maybe some things committed to trunk will be backported, I guess, if important enough. Paragtim, the toolbox is in the Tikipedia theme, right? It's the contents (box stuff, no data) of module.tpl pasted into tiki.tpl, and the page edit icons, etc. hardcoded in it, with a Smarty filter to display it on wiki pages only.	[15:36]
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Darkbee	Was just looking at the logs and saw some discussion on Minichat...what's the consensus...broken?	[15:39]
chibaguy	Darkbee, it is/was working recently on a site of xavi's and at tw.o. And it worked for me before the 2.0 release. But I can't get it to work now. I'm wondering what other people's experience/luck is with it.	[15:40]
Darkbee	It didn't work for me in 2.0 but never tried before that The docs page says that "Chat" is an under developed feature and processor intensive, but I'm assuming that's not the same thing as "minichat"?	[15:40]
Paragtim	Sounds like you have made it work elsewhere?	[15:41]
chibaguy	No, Darkbee, that's the old chat. The new one is small and light and works nicely when it works.	[15:41]
Darkbee	It'd be nice if I could get working..my poor users have no clue what they're doing and need real-time help.. I've taken to trying out "live support" but it's not the greatest feature ever.	[15:42]
chibaguy	Live support is kinda on life support as far as I know. Or maybe not even that.	[15:43]
Darkbee	lol it works...barely! It seems to be inconsistent... when I was testing it, I wouldn't always receive support requests	[15:43]
chibaguy	I'm pretty sure minichat can be made to work, probably just a minor config or code thing stopping it.	[15:44]
Darkbee	well being that I'm a programming master after my code altering of a few days go..maybe I'll go hacking around ;)	[15:45]
chibaguy	sure, why not. have fun. ;-)	[15:46]
Darkbee	erm...fun..yeah...sure, why not! :) Just tried it on another 2.0 site and same thing... no response..although it seems like it tries to send data back and forth I assume that I should see my own message?	[15:47]
chibaguy	Yep, just like this chat. nothing gets submitted to the database, tho. I checked. So I guess the send is broken.	[15:48]
Darkbee	You said that you got it working in previous versions.. you mean 2.0 dev versions?	[15:49]
chibaguy	yep, one of the rc versions, right after the files were committed.	[15:50]
Darkbee	okies. I didn't think 1.9.11 had it, especially if it's using ajax	[15:51]
chibaguy	http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/2.0/modules/mod-minichat.php?view=log http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/2.0/templates/modules/mod-minichat.tpl?view=log Seems like the files haven't changed so maybe it's an interaction or config problem.	[15:51]
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chibaguy	Example: http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-index.php?page=BabelWiki08&redirectpage=BabelWiki bedtime in chiba. cya later.	[15:57]
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Darkbee	Interesting... if I try to add the minichat as a module to a wiki page I get a URL issue (looks like the chat is trying to add strings to the URL) code used: {MODULE(module=>minichat,decorations=>y,rows=30,channels=#help)}{MODULE} error: The requested URL /tikiwiki/temp&saved_msg=y was not found on this server.	[16:03]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14667 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/2.0 14551 to 14665 SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14668 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php: notice	[16:07]
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MacLeod	@Darkbee - that's also interesting to me, since a wiki page that has the last_visitors module embedded in it will no longer work under v2.0. HTTP 500 error However, I can edit and preview the page just fine. {MODULE(module=last_visitors,max=5000)/} Woo-hoo! I finally have an FTP login to our TW server. Now I can stop destroying templates when the in-wiki editor strips out all the JS. What app do y'all edit the templates in?	[16:23]
Paragtim	DW and Notepad	[16:33]
MacLeod	DW?	[16:34]
Paragtim	dreamweaver	[16:34]
MacLeod	Ah, thx. I'll stick with Notepad. ;)	[16:34]
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MacLeod	Weird... I don't see a folder for tikineat in the /styles/ folder just a CSS file	[16:38]
snarlydwarf	not all themes override things, some are just css	[16:40]
MacLeod	ah	[16:40]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14669 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.ajax_href.php: [FIX]ajax: when using ajax - always go back at the top of the window (ex: in admin->quicktags or pagination on tiki-listpages)	[16:40]
MacLeod	So in the in-wiki editor, when the button sez "Save Only in the Theme: tikineat-MacLeod"... where does it save the tpl file?	[16:41]
snarlydwarf	in templates/styles/tikineat-MacLeod you probably need to create that, i never mess with the wiki editor	[16:42]
MacLeod	k, thx!	[16:43]
snarlydwarf	easier for me to just steal a tpl file and dump in templates/styles/whatever and use vi on it	[16:43]
MacLeod	i learned not to mess with the wiki editor after breaking two templates (JS stripped)	[16:43]
snarlydwarf	yeah there is that too templates/styles are overrides for templates, tiki checks there first for 'foo.tpl', then checks templates, which makes it easy to replace tpls for whatever reason	[16:43]
Darkbee	Hey MacLeod... you should use Notepad++ (no Windows product, fully open source) It has syntax coloring/highlighting, tabs for multiple files... much more efficient than notepad http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net	[16:46]
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MacLeod	If I had any control over software installation on my workstation, I'd do that. However, this is the domain of Mordac the Preventer. :(	[16:50]
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MacLeod	So what's the plan for WYSIWYG going forward? Stay with fckeditor, or pick another? Try to make wysiwyg fully compatible and switchable with wiki syntax, or leave it as a defining choice for each page?	[17:03]
ricks99	theres some good patches in TRUNK. but imho not quite ready	[17:06]
MacLeod	does it output wiki syntax, or still HTML?	[17:07]
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nikhilodeon	hi is there a $firstname variable in smarty that i can use instead of $user? am trying to add a welcome, <<John>> to a module	[17:14]
ricks99	html, but it switches back & forth better than before.	[17:14]
MacLeod	gotcha	[17:16]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14670 /trunk/lib/setup/error_reporting.php: [MOD] try to force display_error if some errors reporting is asked - it can work on some servers	[17:24]
sylvieg	{$prefs.realName} can work perhaps... can somebody upload files in tikitrunk? the button upload/add file does not work for me	[17:25]
darkbee_away	Macleod are you using Windows?	[17:30]
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SEWilco2	It looks accessible to me, but Directory doesn't like it. Maybe my server is having a DNS failure.	[20:51]
MatWho	hi all, does anyone know how to set the <meta name="description" in the generated HTML from a WIKIPage. Ideally this should be set from the wikipage description.	[20:54]
SEWilco2	Hmm.. nope, not a DNS failure. Something else is making Directory not like that URL.	[20:57]
MatWho	oh well, back to the source code :)	[20:57]
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SEWilco2	I see. "@$fsh = fopen($_REQUEST['url'],'r');" returned false for some reason.	[21:00]
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Simmi	polom	[21:13]
	Hi Mat	[21:20]
MatWho	Simmi: hi	[21:20]
Simmi	Login as admin and goto the admin control panel and select the MataTags option (I presume it's still there in 2.0 - I'm still on 1.9.11) There you can set the description metatag	[21:21]
MatWho	Simmi: I want to do this on tw.o!	[21:22]
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MatWho	Simmi: also I want it to be different on soe pages soe=some	[21:22]
Simmi	Then no can do. It must be the same sitewide.	[21:23]
MatWho	Simmi: this is a priority feature request, it makes tw.o look very bad in Google	[21:24]
Simmi	Our favourite words for the day are Custom Headers. Then it must pull the metatag info from somewhere - perhaps a tracker :-) There is no where in the page info in the database that stores metatags on a page by page basis.	[21:25]
MatWho	Simmi: wel it would be easier to just put the page description in as the header	[21:26]
sylvieg	thre is page selector field in trunk - but the propagation in the meta are not yet done	[21:27]
Simmi	Well there you go..	[21:27]
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MatWho	sylvieg: sorry what is a page selector?	[21:28]
sylvieg	look in doc.tw.org - my ff is dead- can not give the url	[21:28]
Simmi	sylvieg: Sorry, can't find it..	[21:31]
MatWho	sylvieg: ok so i understand page trackers! How does this help get the header fields set with the page description?	[21:32]
sylvieg	the page is ((user/Group/IP/Page - Selector tracker field)) I told you - it is a beginning	[21:33]
MatWho	sylvieg: small things make great beginnings :)	[21:34]
sylvieg	a tracker that can collect info on a page - but nothing to reinject in the html .... it is just a idea .... perhaps it will be the way to do it - perhaps npt	[21:35]
Simmi	sylvieg: I would like to know more about what you are talking about. Could you explain again how I can get to ((user/Group/IP/Page - Selector tracker field)) ? Got it...	[21:36]
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