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[01:03] <NefariousC> They can't hear you,  you know.
[01:07] <SEWilco2> That's OK.  They're not so good at writing, so I doubt they speak anyway.
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[01:19] <lphuberdeau> why would anyone need an FTP server?
[01:52] <chibaguy> Question from tw.o forum: "...in the process of trying to upgrade to 2.1. When trying to open a file gallery in IE 6 or IE 7, memory usage for the browser shoots up to over 100MB and IE will lock up. If I use any other browser (Firefox or Chrome), it comes up right away and memory usage is nominal. Anyone have a tip?"
[01:53] <NefariousC> "don't use IE"  d:
[01:53] <chibaguy> :-)
[01:53] <NefariousC> "ow, that hurts" / "maybe you should stop doing that"
[01:54] <chibaguy> Dang, I was just writing that joke...
[01:54] * chibaguy needs to type faster.
[01:55] <NefariousC> I did that with two fingers d:
[01:55] <chibaguy> no need to gloat
[01:55] <NefariousC> I have sticky hands s:
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[01:56] <chibaguy> I'm not gonna ask why.
[01:56] <NefariousC> It's not perverted or anything.
[01:56] <chibaguy> Involves tasty food?
[01:56] <NefariousC> I'm just eating a candy apple.  Which is a bit melty
[01:57] <chibaguy> Aren't candy apples out of season?
[01:57] <NefariousC> uh.  I have no idea
[01:58] <chibaguy> that's ok, no need to follow convention.
[01:59] <NefariousC> as if I ever do <:
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[02:06] <chibaguy> Speaking of convention, I have to figure out how to write docs on site Look & Feel config and theme making/modding, realizing that my themes have diverged quite a bit from the olde methods (which are still used by some themes in Tiki 2).
[02:10] <SEWilco2> It's around Halloween season, and candy apples are quite in season.
[02:11] <chibaguy> Ah, good point, SEWilco2. I forgot about that.
[02:11] <SEWilco2> Grr.  I see I have a "/tmp/" directory in existence, but can't find it in TW config.  It's not in Admin>filegal nor >imagegal.
[02:11] <SEWilco2> Of course if one wants messy convention, go for bobbing for apples.
[02:12] <chibaguy> Here in Japan, we have candy apples at summer festivals. Halloween is beginning to catch on (imagery in ads, etc.), but isn't to the eating candy apples stage yet. 
[02:13] <SEWilco2> I realize I was thinking of caramel apples.  Am not certain if candy apples are different.
[02:13] <chibaguy> Same, I think, except for color/flavor.
[02:13] <SEWilco2> I should have written down my configuration as I configured, so I wouldn't now have to find what I configured where.
[02:14] <chibaguy> Did Tiki make that /tmp/ directory? At my 2.0 fresh install, I have a /temp/ but no /tmp/ .
[02:15] <SEWilco2> Heh.  Finally thought to see what is in the directory.  It's some web design notes which I'm using during site creation.
[02:15] <SEWilco2> I was expecting to see uninformative hashes.
[02:17] <SEWilco2> Hmm.  Maybe there should be a way to request an HTML or XML description of the content of TW filegal/imagegal dir be dumped in same dir, and a way to reload same info in case of data loss.
[02:18] <SEWilco2> (I rather dislike having imagegal's dir only full of hashed names and no way to recover if the corresponding DB is damaged or gets out of sync)
[02:23] <SEWilco2> The YouTube debate was interesting.  Maybe we should offer a TikiWiki Presidential Debate in 2012.  Negotiating which features to use would be a problem.
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[02:26] <SEWilco2> I'd write a gag about Google Earth debates if I could think of a punchline based upon view of the world.
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[05:23] <chibaguy> Something that's saved by bu--, er, page edit a few times recently: when I click save or preview and find session/edit permission has timed out, in Opera I can open a new tab, log in again, then return to the editpage tab, hit the browser back button and -- editing intact -- proceed with save or preview. Not sure if this is possible in other browsers.
[05:24] <chibaguy> But I think Opera 9.5.* was rushed out to not be outshined by FF3. It's buggy enough that I had to go back to 9.27.
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[06:10] <luciash> moornin
[06:11] <marclaporte> luciash : polom
[06:11] <luciash> polom marc :)
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[06:15] <chibaguy> hi marclaporte and luciash
[06:15] <luciash> hey chiba !
[06:16] * luciash didn't touch opera for long time, what a shame :-p
[06:17] <chibaguy> I still like it for general use, tho have switched to FF for theme work, etc.
[06:20] * luciash is mostly on Flock 2(beta) which is basically the same as FF3
[06:20] * chibaguy likes Opera's built-in irc and BitTorrent clients, download manager, speed, etc.
[06:20] <luciash> chibaguy: do you use opera for mail too ?
[06:20] <chibaguy> No, Thunderbird.
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[06:21] <chibaguy> I tried the mail briefly, but it uses filters instead of folders and I guess my brain was too inflexible. ;-)
[06:22] <luciash> :)
[06:28] <chibaguy> luciash, what do you think of Google Chrome?
[06:29] <luciash> well, i didn't tried it yet but still i have some doubts about gnome products and company as a whole... hard to say... is it already natie under linux or via wine only ?
[06:29] <luciash> s/natie/native
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[06:43] <chibaguy> not native yet
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[07:41] <chibaguy> Search results at doc.tw.o: "Found 'look & feel' in 29 wikis" -> should be "...in 29 wiki pages".
[07:42] <chibaguy> BTW, none of the results has anything to do with the Tiki2 Look & Feel feature. Docs are way behind, I guess.
[07:45] <luciash> aye, i see
[07:50] <chibaguy> I wonder if the doc page "Site Identity" can be renamed "Look & Feel" or if a separate "Look & Feel" page should be made.
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[07:51] <chibaguy> (what is the method for showing Tiki 2 information? -- I don't recall what was decided.)
[07:53] <chibaguy> use PluginVersions?
[07:56] <chibaguy> That seems to be it.
[07:57] <Paragtim> Hi all, How do I get rid of relevance on searches?
[07:57] <chibaguy> Maybe when the feature name changes, the doc page should be something like "Look & Feel (was Site Identity)"
[07:58] <chibaguy> (sorry Paragtim, not related to your question.)
[07:58] <Paragtim> NP :)
[08:00] <luciash> chibaguy: yep, plugin versions, but i'd either create new page named Look & Feel and (or redirect from) Site Identity
[08:01] <luciash> chibaguy: we have the redirect plugin for that, right ?
[08:03] <luciash> would be nice if the redirect plugin somewhat indicated that the page was redirected from ... as the wikipedia does though
[08:04] <luciash> s/somewhat/somehow/
[08:04] <luciash> hi Paragtim, what searches ?
[08:04] <chibaguy> Yep, redirect plugin is listed.
[08:05] <Paragtim> when I search for content (abc for example) the data returned shows hits and relevance.  I need to lose the relevance from the display
[08:06] <luciash> just remove the " (Relevance: 3)" from display ?
[08:06] <Paragtim> I have a dev and live site and the dev returns no relevence but the searchlib.php is the same on both sites
[08:07] <luciash> Paragtim: check if the first one is using tiki-searchindex or tiki-searchresults
[08:08] <Paragtim> both using search results
[08:08] <luciash> same database version ?
[08:09] <Paragtim> yes
[08:09] <luciash> Paragtim: check out if tiki-admin.php?page=search has the same settings
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[08:11] <humhum> .
[08:11] <luciash> chibaguy: so add the versions plugin, then rename the page to Look & Feel and create new page with the redirect called Site Identity
[08:11] <humhum> é
[08:12] <Paragtim> Yes - Both have the same settings
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[08:14] <Paragtim> I'm sure I read somewhere that a "simple" search does not return relevance but can't figure out how to only use a simple search
[08:14] <luciash> Paragtim: that's weird then... if you want to get rid of it anyway, you can edit the tiki-searchresults.tpl, remove the relevance part and copy it to your templates/styles/yourstyle/
[08:15] <luciash> Paragtim: heh, yep, it sounds promising, but where you set the simple search i have no idea either
[08:16] <Paragtim> Looking at tiki-searchresults now - back soon
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[08:21] <chibaguy> bbl
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[08:27] <Paragtim> Really strange.  the  "if" statement in tiki-searchresult.tpl is the same on both sites.  Full text is enabled on both sites.  1 give relevance and one doesn't.  Just to be curious I disabled full text on the live and relevevance has not gone away.  Did the same on dev and there is no change.  No wonder my hair is going white :)
[08:27] <Paragtim> Still problem solved for now
[08:27] <Paragtim> Thanks for the pointers luciash
[08:38] <luciash> Paragtim: np, you're welcome
[08:54] <Paragtim> would you now how to increase the font size in the free tag cloud?  Have looked in the css and can't see anything that relates to it
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[09:05] <LiamMarrick> hey
[09:06] <LiamMarrick> is it an german or an english channel?
[09:11] <luciash> english
[09:11] <LiamMarrick> i want to make a new menu only in a line under the header but the menu is on left or right sight as well
[09:11] <LiamMarrick> thats my problem
[09:13] <luciash> LiamMarrick: remove the left/right module of the menu
[09:14] <LiamMarrick> but then is gone, everywhere
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[09:20] <LiamMarrick> any idea`
[09:20] <LiamMarrick> ?
[09:22] <Paragtim> Check the group that you have assigned to the menu
[09:23] <Paragtim> bbfn
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[09:52] <LiamMarrick> where can i active phplayers?
[09:53] <damian> ive not used tiki for a while, but it used to be an option under Admin->Features page
[09:53] <LiamMarrick> thx found it
[09:53] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sept_7 :: r 15039 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.menu.php: [FIX] uninitialized variable... which leads to bad id in CSSMenu...  
[09:55] <LiamMarrick> em
[09:55] <LiamMarrick> now i want a menu under the header
[09:55] <LiamMarrick> and no longer on the left side
[09:57] <damian> Look for site header in the admin panel, enable it there, and then in Admin->Modules remove the menu module
[10:03] <LiamMarrick> site ad and banners?
[10:04] <LiamMarrick> not realy
[10:06] <LiamMarrick> think i found it
[10:06] <LiamMarrick> you mean top bar?
[10:06] <LiamMarrick> nice
[10:06] <LiamMarrick> thx
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[12:40] <MatWho> Hi all - trying to use templates on a wiki page is it broken in trunk?
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[12:43] <MatWho> that is content template
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[12:50] <ricks99> content templates working for me (at least in wiki)
[12:51] <ricks99> (although i seem to be missing the Admin > Content Template menu option.... ?
[13:10] <sylvieg> somebody knows what is ~hs~?
[13:11] <sylvieg> ahn ok it is spavce
[13:11] <ricks99> hs = hard space
[13:11] <sylvieg> it is not in wiki help ...
[13:11] <ricks99> like a non-breaking space
[13:12] <ricks99> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+syntax#Non_breaking_space
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[13:33] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15040 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]parsing: move the htmlchar before color parsing to be able to parse ~hs~~hs~xxxx~~red:text~~  
[13:35] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15041 /trunk/lib/images/imagick_old.php: [FIX] : fix pb with imagemagick and bad image data...  
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[14:07] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by matwho :: r 15042 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_content_templates.tpl: [MOD][FIX] Made it more obvious that a content template is not assigned to any sections. Fixed table heading.  
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[14:27] <ricks99> in 2.1, the rss feeds for wiki pages are no longer validating properly (rss 2.0).
[14:27] <ricks99> anyone know how to fix?
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[15:00] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15043 /trunk/templates/tiki-edit_help.tpl: [FIX]wiki: some more code in the wiki help  
[15:03] <Jyhem2> LIST #tikiwiki
[15:03] <Jyhem2> /LIST #tikiwikirn
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[15:09] <Fraak> Hello, I wondered if TikiWiki suports using a different mail method then the default mail function within php?
[15:24] <LiamMarrick> how can i activate top-bar in tiki version 1.9?
[15:42] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15044 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Making field nullable for compatibility between PDO and AdoDB  
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[15:55] <ricks99> @LiamMarrick: on Admin: Features, enable "Top Bar" option
[15:56] <LiamMarrick> but i didnt find it in version 1.9
[16:00] <ricks99> i see in in 1.9.11. what is ur exact version?
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[16:01] <ricks99> i also have 1.9.8.3. also on admin: features page
[16:03] <Paragtim> Any known issues with PluginUserlist?
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[16:06] <Paragtim> Getting the following error when I try to install:- modules/users_list/mod-users_list.php to modules/ impossible to copy
[16:06] <LiamMarrick> 1.9.11 ricks99
[16:07] <ricks99> @LiamMarrick: and you don't see it on Admin: Features (near the bottom of the page)? Are you using a custom theme?
[16:07] <Paragtim> Page last modified on Friday 03 October, 2008 18:55:47 UTC by sylvie
[16:07] <LiamMarrick> but headlist is not top bar.... when i activate headlist, "Dies ist TikiWiki CMS/Groupware v1.9.11 -Sirius- © 2002–2008 von der Tiki Community Mi 08 of Oct, 2008 [18:23]"
[16:07] <ricks99> what is "headlist"?
[16:07] <LiamMarrick> no custom theme
[16:08] <LiamMarrick> i use german wiki
[16:08] <LiamMarrick> so kopfzeile is standing there
[16:08] <LiamMarrick> kopfleiste
[16:08] <LiamMarrick> yea ok, and how can i edit these bar?
[16:09] <LiamMarrick> in the moment this stands in "Dies ist TikiWiki CMS/Groupware v1.9.11 -Sirius- © 2002–2008 von der Tiki Community Mi 08 of Oct, 2008 [18:23]"
[16:09] <ricks99> use the Site Identity option and you can create a custom header
[16:11] <ricks99> The "Custom Code" will appear above the top-bar (Dies ist TikiWiki.....)
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[16:13] <nikhilodeon> hi, has anyone here used the MOUSEOVER plugin much within TikiWiki 2.0?
[16:13] <nikhilodeon> i am having cross-browser compatibility issues with it
[16:14] <LiamMarrick> but i dont' want something abouv top bar i want it in topbar
[16:15] <ricks99> @LiamMarrick: then you need to manually edit tiki-top_bar.tpl template
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[16:19] <LiamMarrick> ah ok
[16:19] <LiamMarrick> thx
[16:21] <nikhilodeon> specifically the links generated by the overlib js file are not clickable in Google Chrome or IE
[16:22] <sylvieg> {file name=..} is broken
[16:22] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15045 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.query.php: [ENH] smarty query: new _noauto param to force 'query' to take only params that were explicitely given in the template when calling 'query' (i.e. don't take care of GET/POST params in this case).  
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[16:24] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15047 /trunk/setup_smarty.php: [NEW] smarty: you can now add a line like the following in db/local.php to use an external smarty installation: $smarty_path='/usr/share/php/smarty/';  
[16:24] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15046 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.self_link.php: [FIX] smarty self_link: correctly handle ajax args  
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[16:32] <Paragtim> Is there a way of fixing it, or another way to install the plugin?
[16:33] <ricks99> try installing it manually
[16:33] <Paragtim> Ok - how can I do this?
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[16:35] <ricks99> just copy it to: ..\lib\wiki-plugins..
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[16:36] <ricks99> pls see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Mods+User&highlight=mods
[16:36] <Paragtim> where do I find it?  tried searching the archive for mod-user*.p* and nothing found
[16:36] <ricks99> mods.tikiwiki.org
[16:38] <ricks99> or <shamless plug>http://twbasics.keycontent.org/tiki-index.php?page=Installing+Mods+Manually</shameless plug>
[16:38] <Paragtim> Got it - thanks
[16:39] <ricks99> k
[16:39] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by rlpowell :: r 15048 /trunk/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: All the button does is prevent people in text-based browsers from logging in, and for no good reason. -- rlpowell at digitalkingdom dot org  
[16:40] <Paragtim> <shamless plug> Id10t error between keyboard and seat
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[16:45] <Paragtim> does the mod-userList.tpl file go in /lib/wiki-plugins?
[16:46] <ricks99> TPL files usually go in the TEMPLATES folder. is it specified in the readme file?
[16:47] <Paragtim> No read me
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[16:47] <ricks99> look here: http://mods.tikiwiki.org/details.php?type=modules&mod=users_list
[16:48] <ricks99> php files should be placed in modules/, tpl in templates/modules
[16:48] <Paragtim> Looking through the package list there is a path to /templates/modules.  Will try it there
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[17:07] <GillesMM> hi what is the table giving users per group ? 
[17:07] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15050 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_attach.php: just reformatting  
[17:07] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15049 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] smarty button: new smarty 'button' function to display a Tikiwiki button / link (i.e. <span class="button"><a href="...">Click Here</a></span>). + Quick update of tikinewt to behave better with smarty button  
[17:10] <MatWho> Hi, If I want the {tracker} plugin to allow another item to be added to the tracker immediately after submitting one. Do I do this with the URL parameter, or am I missing something. Thanks
[17:11] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by nyloth :: r 15051 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_calendars.tpl: [NEW] smarty button: deploy smarty button in tiki-admin_calendars.tpl. It has to be used like this: \{button _text="\{tr\}Create Calendar\{/tr\}" href="tiki-admin_calendars.php?show=mod"\}
[17:11] <PS|bot> To produce this HTML code: <span class="button"><a href="tiki-admin_calendars.php?show=mod">Create Calendar</a></span> + Fix the magnifier icon (_id of smarty icon must not contain the file extension, i.e. '.png')  
[17:22] <MatWho> Is there a tracker plugin expert out there ... sound of tearing hair :( 
[17:26] <sylvieg> MatWho: it is not working like that - perhaps you can redirect with url I think to the same apge
[17:27] <MatWho> ok thats what I am doing, thanks, just thought i had missed something. Why does it work like it does?
[17:33] <nikhilodeon> hi can someone tell me how to remove the auto-link creation when words have wiki capitalization, eg HelloWorld - I don't want to have these words autolinked
[17:33] <MatWho> put them in ))WordLikeThis((
[17:34] <nikhilodeon> ah neva mind!
[17:34] <nikhilodeon> found it - uncheck "Allow Wiki Words" in Wiki admin
[17:35] <MatWho> yes that is not a very good label for it :)
[17:35] <nikhilodeon> yeah I like "Automagic" better
[17:36] <MatWho> Or should that be "AutoMagic" :)
[17:55] <MatWho> what is the wiki syntax for a non breaking space 
[17:56] <sylvieg> ~hs~
[17:56] <MatWho> tx
[17:56] <sylvieg> I think
[17:58] <MatWho> it is
[18:00] <MatWho> Can I get a table to do do width=100% with wiki || syntax, sorry to keep asking but the docs are missing such a lot
[18:00] <MatWho> do do = do
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[18:03] <mac|jaeger> that's almost dadaism!
[18:04] <MatWho> do do da
[18:04] <mac|jaeger> or the police song ;-)
[18:04] <mac|jaeger> (or my sweet daughter of 13 months trying her first sylabels)
[18:04] <MatWho> But do you know if I can make a table span across the page with wiki syntax?
[18:05] <mac|jaeger> i don't know, but i doubt it
[18:05] <mac|jaeger> wiki syntax itself is even less form-aware than html
[18:06] <mac|jaeger> of course in tikiwiki you can always use html <tr> tags
[18:06] <mac|jaeger> but that's not wikisyntax
[18:08] <MatWho> Oh that is much better thanks!
[18:12] <sylvieg> is there a way to do a svn diff latest - instead of svn diff -r 15051
[18:16] <MatWho> svn diff HEAD
[18:16] <MatWho> sorru svn diff -r HEAD
[18:17] <MatWho> u=y my fingers today!!
[18:17] <sylvieg> thx
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[18:27] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15053 /trunk/tiki-admin_include_look.php: trace  
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[18:36] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15054 /trunk/templates/ (footer.tpl tiki-bot_bar.tpl): [FIX]layout: mv last update message to tiki-bot_bar to be included in a div  
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[19:08] <nkoth3> Hi, sometime back there was talk about a "large file uploader". Anyone has a working version or is it already in the development code somewhere?
[19:12] <lphuberdeau> I've seen nothing of it on the dev/svn lists
[19:17] <ricks99> ack! trying to add a <a ... onmouseover="..." in a module. tiki keeps adding on<x>.
[19:17] <ricks99> how can i add js events?
[19:18] <ricks99> {literal}<a ... > {/literal} doesn't work :(
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[19:20] <lphuberdeau> blocking javascript is the whole point of sanitization
[19:20] <mac|jaeger> :-)
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[19:20] <ricks99> i understand that. but there's got to be a way around it.
[19:21] <ricks99> i *used* to be able to use {lieteral}
[19:21] <mac|jaeger> a way around it would still defeat that purpose
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[19:24] <ricks99> ahhh {literal}on{/literal}mouseover works. 
[19:24] <ricks99> <whew>
[19:25] <ricks99> tiki needs a 'safe' way for adding script
[19:35] <lphuberdeau> I guess we'll have to block that
[19:35] <ricks99> argh :)
[19:39] <ricks99> actually, things like {literal}<{/literal}script> work just fine, too
[19:40] <ricks99> prehaps, there needs to be a global per somewhere. block all potential scripts. but with a way to override for specific groups (i.e., allow admin to add scripts)
[19:42] <ricks99> it looks like you can insert *any* php coding to bypass the sanitizer.
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[19:44] <mac|jaeger> you will never be able to block all kinds of scripts, as you can't really control what will be rendered on client site
[19:45] <mac|jaeger> you'd have to disable most of tikiwikis features to make it "waterproof", but then it'd be no fun anymore...
[19:47] <ricks99> i understand. i've got my workaround... i'll stay happy (for now)
[19:47] <mac|jaeger> actually i'd even like to see _less_ restrictions
[19:47] <mac|jaeger> but i understand there have to be made compromises
[19:47] <ricks99> i dont mind restrictions, but there needs to be an acceptable work around. for exmaple, let the "admin" group do whatever they want
[19:48] <mac|jaeger> our use of tikiwiki is in an rather controlled environment, more like a team-collaboration-suite
[19:48] <mac|jaeger> there's hardly any fear for user abusing the system
[19:48] <mac|jaeger> but of course that's different with most tw sites
[19:49] <mac|jaeger> and i totally agree that limitations should not lie in design, but be implemented on a permission base
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[20:12] <GillesMM> hi I have a spmaty problem in smarty 
[20:13] <GillesMM> {$galleryid} => 8 
[20:13] <GillesMM> {php}
[20:13] <GillesMM> global  $galleryId; 
[20:13] <GillesMM> echo "id: $galleryId" => "id" 
[20:14] <GillesMM> I don't see $galleryId inside {php} 
[20:14] <GillesMM> idea ?
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[20:17] <GillesMM> salut tomb
[20:45] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by rlpowell :: r 15055 /trunk/lib/rankings/ranklib.php: That was *really* bad usage of the database.  
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[22:39] <SEWilco2> A cluster of new users can't log on.  I just asked them if they typed the first letter of their usernames in uppercase, as given to them.  I suspect I know their answer.
[22:41] <GillesMM> do you know how to use $result=$userlib->get_users( 0,  -1,  'login_asc','' ,  '', true, $projetgroup,''); ? 
[22:42] <GillesMM> I can loop in smarty ... but I don't understand how to get the users values ...
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[22:49] <GillesMM> found !
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