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snowrichard

hello
got a new install of 2.1 could some check it displays ok? http://www.mypals.info/tikiwiki-2.1/index.php
well works from here anyway

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15098 /third_party/adodb/ (105 files in 8 dirs): [UPDATE] Update AdoDB to V5.05. This version is PHP5+ only but tiki is now PHP5.1+ only...

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15099 /third_party/htmlpurifier/ (348 files in 36 dirs): [NEW] put HTMLPurifier in third_party and commit 3.1.1-lite

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15100 /third_party/adodb/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] missing files

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15101 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): [ENH] use HTMLPurifier in third_party

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15102 /trunk/lib/tikidblib.php: [OOPS] WIP...

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luciash

polom
is theme switch module broken on trunk now ?
doesn't switch at all on my local copy

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sylvieg

works for me

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luciash

hmm, in the magic "Available styles" allows only one option, not multiple themes as before
under "Reg users can change theme"
luciash checks tiki-admin.php?page=login
it's correct there, there's multiselect to restrict available themes
luciash wonders why for anonymous the style switcher doesn't work
i thought you fixed it sylvie
wasn't it on trunk ?

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sylvieg

the magic stuff for available styles is bugged ... the styles are frozen in the code....

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15103 /trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [MOD]search: help box for boolean search

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15104 /trunk/lib/admin/magic-enumerations.php: [FIX]magic: dynamic list of styles

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luciash

sylvieg: weird, when i log off i really can only switch to the theme preselected by the magic panel
luciash svn ups

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sylvieg

sylvieg never used magic

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luciash

i'm not using it too, just try... never tried ?

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SVN: Commit by bitey :: r 15105 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): If you have to resort to data hackery; then chances are you are Doing It Wrong.

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luciash

huh ?
luciash reads for first time about commit by bitey

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who is bitey ?

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15106 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]calendar: status in popup

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luciash

doesn't sound right: echo "it's on, bitches (feature)<br />";

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sylvieg

yes this commit is strnage

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luciash

luciash removed commit access for that user

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sylvieg

better to contact him before...

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luciash

"Bitey McBiterson" sounds like fake too :-p
i'll not contact anyone bitchin' before
imho better to disable first than late, then contact

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15107 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/outputfilter.highlight.php: [FIX]search: take away operators if boolean search

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luciash

sylvieg: this breaks it i think: 1033,"Categories used in tpl",25,,"categories_used_in_tpl","flag",,"tiki_p_admin",,"","Category","in_array(categoryId, objectCategoryIds)",,"
he removed the last quote
sylvieg: can you investigate more pls ? i have to do some household stuff here now :-p

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sylvieg

... I know nothing on tiki-magic...

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luciash

ok, i'll re-enable the user access again, seems he contributed to tiki-magic before too, seems he just forgot to remove some debug stuff containing the bitches :-p but imho there's an error
anyway
later

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SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 15108 /branches/2.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [SEC] Fix security concerns by removing the need for tiki-error.php

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ricks99

hi all
is there an (easy) way to show categories on search results page? tried adding {$display_catpath} to the searchresults.tpl, but apparently not that easy :(

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ricks99

i guess... no easy way...

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sylvieg

the categories of each result?

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snowrichard

hello
installed the 2.1 a few days ago with the basic enabled profile. Works great.

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ricks99

y. i want to show the category for each result (if it is categorized)

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SVN: Commit by bitey :: r 15109 /trunk/ (db/features.csv lib/admin/magiclib.php): Oops. Debug messages/missing quote

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sylvieg

ricks99: it is not collected in the search result ... so needs some code

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ricks99

would be nice to have a search admin option to specify which types of information to display on the results (category, catpath, fretag, last update, etc.) similar to the List configuration settings for other pages

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sylvieg

yes - but it is a lot of job - as we have 2 search tools :-(

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ricks99

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SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 15110 /branches/2.0/ (lib/setup/prefs.php tiki-error.php): [SEC] Fix security concerns by removing the need for tiki-error.php (clear tiki-error.php and unused initialisation)

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15111 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MOD]tracker: can display also last comment user/date in tiki-view_tracker
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15114 /trunk/templates/tiki-view_tracker.tpl: [FIX]tracker: / is not the best separator if simpel date
SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 15113 /trunk/tiki-error.php: [SEC] Fix security concerns by removing tiki-error.php (second step)
SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 15112 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [SEC] Fix security concerns by removing the need for tiki-error.php (first step)

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nikhilodeon

hello all, I just posted the following item on dev.tw.o regarding a bug with categories, if anyone has some pointers...TikiWiki 2.0: Categories Page Cannot be Found? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2069&trackerId=5

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sylvieg

is it a server error or a tiki error?

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nikhilodeon

sylvieg - looks to be a server error, but it just appears as "Page cannot be found"
usually i look for some type of could not connect etc, error, but do not see it here

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sylvieg

check in your server error - perhaps you will find more details

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ricks99

@nikhilodeon: are you getting a actual 404 error?
what is the actual code your browser is returning?

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nikhilodeon

ricks99 - yes; there is no code per se; in Firefox, the browser tries to download the page as if it's a .pdf / external object, vs a php page
then in the FF Download Manager, there is the tiki-admin_categories.php file, with 0kb

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15115 /trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [MOD]tracker: some optional params

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ricks99

only happens with tiki-admin_categories.php?

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nikhilodeon

correct - i can get to tiki-browse_categories.php fine, and all other pages on the site

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15116 /trunk/templates/tiki-view_tracker.tpl: syntax

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nikhilodeon

i am trying to take a look @ the server logs to see if that reveals anything

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sylvieg

check if you have other error - sometimes if you have a timeout - it can mess up witht he file type..

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nikhilodeon

ok - have any of you encountered this type of behavior before?

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ricks99

try replacing the tik-admin_categories.php with a known good copy? maybe the file is corrupt?

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nikhilodeon

ok - and unfortunately the server admin is out today so no luck getting those logs...

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is there a way to get the base .php files for tiki-wiki? i tried accessing http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/ but the link is not available

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ricks99

should b able to grab from svn
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/

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nikhilodeon

ok i am getting it now

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luciash

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mac|jaeger

dito
:-)

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SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15118 /trunk/lib/search/refresh-functions.php: [FIX] fix call to HTMLPurifier_Encoder now use static method...

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nikhilodeon

yuck, still getting that same old behavior...man i wonder what is causing it...

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sylvieg

SEWilco: I do not get why you change the command in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=File%20Gallery%20Config
some are not working anymore

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nikhilodeon

the strange thing is, when i replace the contents of the tiki-admin_categories.php file with "hello world" the file displays fine....

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mac|jaeger

how would you approach displaying a powerpoint presentation in a wiki page?
i guess there isn't such thing as a pp-viewer mod, like there is for freemind...
maybe powerpoint -> flash conversion?

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sylvieg

yes it will be my choice

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mac|jaeger

are there free tools to do so?
(i hate my colleagues for even using powerpoint, even more for wanting it insertet into a wiki... this is, imho, against wikis nature)

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sylvieg

you can use save as windows metafile and import the list of files

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mac|jaeger

that will be a bunch of images then, right?
my people won't like that, they love powerpoint mainly because of the animated slides... *sigh*

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sylvieg

yes but mon macromedia flash import all the files in a click -
s/mon/my

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mac|jaeger

*g*

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sylvieg

you will loose the animation with this method
... godd luck - even to find a payed soft that works

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mac|jaeger

iSpring sounds good
i'm going to test the free version later
thanx for your input though
it's good to know that that wheel hasn't yet been invented over and over again :-)

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sylvieg

I used PresentationPro - it is a very very bad product

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mac|jaeger

if i don't find anything easy and free tonight, i'll tell my folks to use OpenOffice and its swf export ...
no anims either, but then i wouldn't like to encourage pp usage anyway :-)

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sylvieg

is the openoffice converter dealing with the animation?

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mac|jaeger

nope
openoffice is no more than images either

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sylvieg

if you find a good tool - please tell me - I am interested to know

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mac|jaeger

LOL
iSpring is a PowerPoint addon
i don't have powerpoint, so that one's down already
(though it reads promising)

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nikhilodeon

sorry to bring up again, but wanted to see if anyone had any more ideas re: the mystery of the 404 with tiki-admin_categories.php...i have tried restoring the file from trunk, replaced the contents with "Hello World" and see it appear, etc...no access to the server logs currently
link again is http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2069&trackerId=5&show=view

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mac|jaeger

of course you emptied all caches after importing?

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nikhilodeon

yep - you mean via the tiki-admin_system.php page, correct?

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mac|jaeger

yep

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ricks99

nikhilodeon: using FF?

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nikhilodeon

FF = Firefox

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ricks99

attempt to access the page (tiki-admin_categories.php). then, in FF, select tools > error console
anything reported?

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nikhilodeon

hmm - lemme check

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nikhilodeon

nope - no errors...in FF, it's odd - the browser does not exactly return a 404 - rather, it tries to download the file as if it is a pdf

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ricks99

review ur .htaccess file. see if any "special" directives for that file
also, try renaming the file (e.g., tiki-admin_categories_foo.php) then try to access the newly named file

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nikhilodeon

actually i do get errors, but they are just .css warnings - i highly doubt those would prevent the page from loading

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mac|jaeger

do you get the same errors from IE as well?

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nikhilodeon

the css errors? in IE, i just get the standard "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" error - in ie 7 it looks like you can't display more meaningful server error messages like you could in IE 6

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ricks99

there is something in ur server setup that is prohibiting the proper display of that file (right? It is only that *single* file that is causing problems?). try renaming the file & attempt to access

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nikhilodeon

ricks99 - thanks for the suggestion - i did rename the file to tiki-admin_categories_foo.php, and get the same experience with the new file

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ricks99

hm...
sorry. out of ideas :( need to check the logs

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nikhilodeon

no problem - i appreciate your help - this is a real head-scratcher - has anyone ever encountered a similar situation?
ie, w a page not loading even though it is in the correct directory, and not returning a php / mysql error msg

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SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15120 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] wiki: list of wiki pages now displays actions icons only if authorized (WYSIWYCA) + fix the number of pages displayed in the listing, when some pages are not displayed.

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SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15121 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] wiki: fix WYSIWYCA

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15122 /trunk/modules/mod-since_last_visit_new.php: typo

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gohanman7

anyone know how to get debug output for ldap?

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sylvieg

put some trace in lib/pear/Auth/Container/LDAP.php

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gohanman7

i'm looking at it right now and there are debug calls to an AUTH_LOG_DEBUG. where do i find that output?

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Koios

hello I need help i would like to add a new category on my top menu please help =[
hello?

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marclaporte

top menu?
Is this a public site?

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gohanman7

why don't any of the options i enable after installing (search, calendar, blogs, forms) show up in the sidebar menu for regular users? they're only there for regular users and i don't see any obvious "enable for all users" option for any of those apps

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Koios

hey sorry
yea the top menu
i have created a store and want a button on the horizontal menue for it
hello
?
anyone please help?

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SEWilco2

A store.. so a specific URL?
Koios: I haven't used the horizontal menu, but in Admin>Menus you can create custom menus.

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mac|jaeger

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Koios

yes

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SEWilco2

koios: Then in Admin>Modules you can configure where modules are to be placed. Custom sidebar menus have to be created at the bottom, then can be placed.

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Koios

i am checking
i want it on the top menu not the side

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mac|jaeger

is there a way to make the flash plugin take the flashmovie from an attachment?

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SEWilco2

I haven't used the top menu (phplayers, I think provides it), so don't know how to customize it. I've only used the phplayers side menus.

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Koios

yea looking at admin menu area and find it difficult have not been able to utilize it properly for weeks now
i am actually tryint to alter features so that in place of the aricles feature i am making a store one

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Doesn't the flash plugin want a URL? Doesn't the URL get saved when yo right-click on attachment's link and "Save link address"?

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mac|jaeger

doesn't work for me
but maybe my swf is broken upon upload
i just figured i can't view it by clicking the attachment either

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SEWilco2

Koios: The instructions at the top of tiki-admin_menus.php indicate a horizontal menu can be configured there.

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mac|jaeger

ouch
my attachment downloads broken

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Koios

checking now sew

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SEWilco2

Koios: The existing "application menu" is automatically created. You can create a custom one and disable the default one except for Admin users.
mac|jaeger: Your attachment file, or will no attachments download? Either way, I express sympathy.

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mac|jaeger

hehe, thx
the attachment is garbage after download

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Koios

sew where can i find this? admin- than what?

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mac|jaeger

i'm now checking if this is limited to the flash file i uploaded...

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Perhaps do you have TW compression enabled? I hope that wouldn't interfere but "garbage" implies that something happened.
Koios: Admin>Menus

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mac|jaeger

i just checked, but no, i have not. actually the file gets more than two times in size!

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SEWilco2

Koios: In the sidebar menu, under "Admin" look for "Menus"
mac|jaeger: TikiWiki, now with twice your content!

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mac|jaeger

:-D
as long as it isn't 3500 times that...

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Try attaching a little text file and see what happens to that.

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Let us know if "a rose by any other name" appears on its own.

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mac|jaeger

will do, but first i'm going to check on some settings

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SEWilco2

marclaporte: You able to assign bugs? SEWilco can be assigned Bug 1816, as I'll be implementing EXIF within weeks.

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Koios

OK but it does not add a link to my top menu =[ but yes i can make the page

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SEWilco2

Koios: The instructions at the top of Admin>Menus say how to include phplayers menus. Try adding your new menu next to wherever you emit the top menu (I don't remember where that is defined).

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marclaporte

SEWilco2: logout and back in. You should have the power
Koios: : if you use default menu, make sure users have the appropriate permissions for calendar, blog, trackers, etc because it only shows menu items (ex.: add article) to people that have perms

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mac|jaeger

SEWilco: it seems the up- or download mangles all non-characters
i could upload a plain text file ok, download as well.

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marclaporte

SEWilco: : way to go for EXIF!!!!

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mac|jaeger

but once i added german umlauts the txt-file got broken

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SEWilco2

marclaporte: Client has a pile of photos. I'm too lazy to type in descriptions by hand, so I'll let EXIF create them.

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mac|jaeger

i'm uploading to database, will switch to upload-folder now

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: You just answered my next question.

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mac|jaeger

:-)
i didn't have these problems a few days ago
yesterday i updated to the lasttiki-zip
any recent work done in attachments and/or database code?

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Must be due to global warming.

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mac|jaeger

ah.
yes.
why didn't i see this first?!
mac|jaeger shuts down his server, reducing co2 emission

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SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: The faith is strong in you, so it's not due to the usual loss of faith. Usually loss of faith causes corruption and your server turning brown.

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mac|jaeger

:-D

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SEWilco2

Koios: If your new menu doesn't appear where you expect, remember to clear the TikiWiki caches.
mac|jaeger: You can turn your server on for the next 11 years. Global warming is on break during this solar cycle, but for some reason Man will be considered to blame when the Sun is again hot.
Just budget a sunshade for the server room in 12 years.

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mac|jaeger

ok, now i have another problem: the file uploads fine to temp folder, but than can't be moved to /files/attachments (which i created and chmod'ed to 777)

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15123 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]fgal: can delete default file handlers+ a friendly trim

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mac|jaeger

ah ok
now _that_ wasn't global warming
that was my fingers getting cold and typing atatchments
*g*
*sigh*
one mystery solved
999 others to go
ok, file storage is fine
so obviously the problem is in database insertion

[20:29]

SEWilco2

As you guessed, the umlaut suggests a character set conflict between the browser, TW, and database.

[20:31]

mac|jaeger

well... but there should not be any character conversion when storing binary data to the database, should it?

[20:32]

SEWilco2

I don't know what needs fixing. There is a TW page someplace on UTF which implies there should not be a problem with DB config.
True, it should be getting stored as binary. Maybe TW/PHP is getting confused about what is incoming.
Oh, but it gets stored OK as a file.

[20:32]

mac|jaeger

right
and files already in database are fetched correctly

[20:33]

SEWilco2

That suggests a problem in the PHP/DB interface. That's all I can imply from the situation.

[20:34]

mac|jaeger

thanks for your diagnostics, doesn't help me much, but at least i know that the problem is beyond my workstation... :-)

[20:34]

SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: You could try downloading a stored file, check it is OK, then upload it to DB under a different name, just to confirm your DB is acting as it used to for that file.

[20:35]

mac|jaeger

i'll have to pile that task, right now i'm late doing what i was doing in the first place: uploading a powerpoint file, converted to flash

[20:36]

LOL
now that silly editor is eating my embed tag
<embed> gets <em><x> bed ...
*sigh*
hmm... hmm... and though it seems to work now, there's still one mystery left:
where does it store the files?
i told it to use files/attachment

[20:45]

SEWilco2

SEWilco2 knows of a slightly damp clown car which is an appropriate place to embed <em><x>bed

[20:51]

mac|jaeger

but that folder is empty, though there _are_ attachments
isn't the path relative to the webroot?

[20:51]

SEWilco2

mac|jaeger: Did you clear your TW caches? If not, might the upload config still be old?

[20:52]

mac|jaeger

hmm... but my changes _did_ affect the storage somehow
at least now the problems with mangled files are gone *g*

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15124 /trunk/templates/categorize.tpl: [FIX]categ: show categorization block if javascript non enable

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SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15127 /trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [FIX] accesslib: fix perm names for error messages.
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15128 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD]search: display also the parent fgal for a file in mysql search

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15129 /trunk/lib/setup/js_detect.php: [FIX]javascript: if javascript not allowed, disable tabs

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SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15130 /trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: oops

[22:14]

Koios

hey sew?
clear the casche do you mean refresh
hello?
I need to get a new page to come up in my horizontal menu

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[22:26]

Koios

hello

[22:34]

help!
please?

[22:39]

lphuberdeau

just be patient

[22:41]

Koios

oh hey

[22:41]

lphuberdeau

I can't answer your question

[22:41]

Koios

i need to place a inline frame on a page can you answer my question
oh i c
help!

[22:42]

lphuberdeau

that requires a special install in 2.x

[22:42]

sylvieg

you have an IFRAME plugin
??

[22:42]

Koios

no
i didnt know i needed one
oh wow
what do i do now
i dont have any money
for these extra plugins

[22:43]

lphuberdeau

mods.tikiwiki.org

[22:43]

Koios

ok will check it out

[22:43]

sylvieg

.. the iframe plugin is in trunk or mods?

[22:44]

lphuberdeau

they are free, just like the rest, just not bundled for various reasons.... security in this case

[22:44]

Koios

www.mods.tikiwiki.org

[22:44]

lphuberdeau

now in trunk, but was in mods

[22:44]

Koios

what is the name of the mod guys

http://mods.tikiwiki.org/

help =[

[22:45]

lphuberdeau

just download this file and save it in lib/wiki-plugins/
https://tikiwiki.svn.sf.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php

[22:49]

Koios

ok thank you so much =]
link is dead =[

[22:49]

lphuberdeau

works fine for me

[22:52]

Koios

http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginManager&bl=y
this is the page right lookiedookie
wait i get a script but what do i do with that

[22:53]

lphuberdeau

<lphuberdeau> just download this file and save it in lib/wiki-plugins/
need to head out

[22:55]

Koios

i cant download anything that links brings me to straight html

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[22:58]

Koios

whoops that was the link you sent me lpeisjhdfydksnsjus
i mean lpeaduifufjubideau

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SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15132 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] security: new 'tiki_p_trust_input' perm to bypass the security checks (varcheck and sanitizer) in order to avoid annoyances for trusted users and improve performances too. + move mb_internal_encoding definition to lib/setup/compat.php and disable it since it should not be useful anymore (keep it just in case, for the moment).

[22:59]

Koios

help?
lphuberdeau help me please why wont you help me =
=[
------------> lphuberdeau
y di you leave me?
I need help it is now 7:03 pm
please help me 7:09

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[23:14]

Koios

hi carrie
how are you?
I need to use a I frame on a page can you hep me please mhy name i sKoios
I am in need of assistane it is now 7:18 pm eastern

[23:16]

mac|jaeger

I am in need of a bed - it is now 3:20 european time
buonas noches!

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