#tikiwiki 2008-10-14,Tue

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Who	What	When
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Koios	can anyone help me? hello can someone link me to the iframe plugin so that i can install it? hello i love this support i have been on here for hours and no response hello i am not koios i need help this is his father can someone help my son	[00:04]
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maggie	hello can someone help me install a plugin?	[00:15]
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annoying	hello is anyone on? hey carrie remember me?	[00:25]
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annoying	hey sew how are you i have a question can you help sewilco i need to install the iframe plugin can you help me?	[00:26]
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ROXANNE	Hello room!	[00:28]
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koios	help =[ =[ i m depressed	[00:29]
	help me please	[00:36]
sylvieg	koios: is the depressing one	[00:37]
koios	hey can you link me to this iframe plugin i am the depressing one? yea its really action packed in here wouldnt want to interupt anyones convo	[00:38]
sylvieg	you are not the only one who needs money to live..	[00:40]
koios	whos asking for money i am asking for help to install a plugin its suppose to be so easy that even i can do it i just dont know when someone will pop on thats why i keep writing why should that bother you ive been on here for half the day asking the same question i should be mad i should open up my own tiki chat	[00:40]
sylvieg	http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php?view=log	[00:42]
koios	TY =]	[00:42]
sylvieg	you are too much stressed person	[00:42]
koios	now can you explain step by step on how to install? no i just have add so every second feels like a minute to me =[	[00:43]
sylvieg	lphuberdeau: already explained you read your log	[00:43]
koios	i disconnected by accident plus sometimes i dont know who i can trust	[00:43]
sylvieg	yourse;f	[00:44]
koios	sowmthing was weird about that guy corrupted file he was trying to get me to install	[00:44]
sylvieg	sylvieg thinks koios needs to lok at Joomla	[00:45]
koios	hello sylvia? please dont go oh joomla what is that	[00:45]
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koios	hey rod how are you	[00:46]
sylvieg	koios never looks at the competitor s	[00:46]
koios	i dont know joomla i already used tiki as the backbone of my site i will check it out but right now i cant	[00:46]
sylvieg	you need money.. I know	[00:47]
koios	of course i do	[00:47]
sylvieg	me too..	[00:47]
koios	we all do great back to iframes sylvia ?	[00:47]
sylvieg	I will not help yopu sorry	[00:48]
koios	you wont why we all help each other out how many times have i helped you when you needed it sylvia	[00:48]
sylvieg	opensource does not work like this	[00:48]
koios	i dont understand i told you all i am really not bright at all	[00:49]
Caarrie	koios: you dont even know who sylvieg is and if you are to talk to someone atleast spell their name correctly	[00:49]
sylvieg	you will never help koios - too much focus on yourself ths Caarrie thx	[00:49]
koios	yea carrie you always focus on yourself why wont you help me?	[00:49]
Caarrie	koios: as you are rude and dont let anyone take time to themselves since you joined this channel and my name is not carrie	[00:50]
sylvieg	koios: if you want help - you ned to think about yourself -	[00:50]
koios	leave me and sylvia alone	[00:50]
Caarrie	no as the name is not sylvia	[00:50]
sylvieg	Caarrie is a nice person	[00:50]
Caarrie	and this is a public channel thanks sylvieg ;)	[00:50]
koios	that is right public	[00:51]
sylvieg	see you tomorrow koios - you need to change your attitude if you want real help	[00:51]
Caarrie	so that means no one not even you has the right to spam the channel for help just because they can	[00:51]
koios	so who put you in charge carrie oh wait caarrie	[00:51]
Caarrie	i have been part of the tw community a lot longer then you have	[00:51]
koios	my attitude you mean desperate and alone	[00:51]
Caarrie	and if i could i would kick and ban you from this channel now be quiet and wait for someone to offer to help you instead of asking over and over again	[00:51]
koios	i know you would caarie you have been a sour puss lurking in the background since ive been on here	[00:52]
Caarrie	shut up koios	[00:52]
koios	you could try helping why do you hangout on here everyday	[00:52]
Caarrie	Caarrie put koios on /ignore	[00:52]
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koios	to take up bandwidth put Caarrieon/ignore horrible i wish people actually hung out on here to help and not to make friends 30 people on here and none of them are willing to help its a regular hagout in here isnt it listen I am not trying to be mean carrie but really if you dont wanna help me tahn dont if ya wanna shut me up than help me otherwise leave me alone	[00:52]
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Moderator	hey room I am going to sit on here for weeks at a time and monitor your converstions but I will never offer any help I will just lurk in the background and use up band width because I am selfish	[01:15]
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Koios	Hello can anyone offer me constructive assistance?	[01:29]
Moderator	No we do not do that here Koios we all hangout in here for social reasons ya see this is like a big tikiwiki party but only certain ones are invited We will let you ask ask away for hours (dont ask to ask just ask) (nobody knows what the hell that means but that is our code of conduct meaning we will let you look like a fool and waste the better part of your days asking for help before we feel inclined to offer you any welcome to the FREE tikiwiki support	[01:29]
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Koios	well can you help me than?	[01:37]
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Moderator	no I only moderate this channel meaning I watch everything that is written but only add my 2 cents when I want to and right now I do not want to so I will sit here smuggly with out typing anything	[01:39]
Koios	Hi mom can you help me? momm? mommy?	[01:39]
Mama-of-Koios	Yes, here's some help. Koios, you got off on the worng foot by lying to these nice people and whining on and on like a baby.	[01:40]
Koios	I dont understan? I spent most of my time saying.....Hello can anyone help me?	[01:41]
Mama-of-Koios	Pretended to be who/what you aren't .. all those ladys names And you repeat over and over please help even when it's obvious nobody wants to help you because you act like a JERK. Grow up and behave like an adult.	[01:41]
Koios	well how would you know that I used other names mom I must of showed a moment of nobility and empathy if people know the truth that i had to resort to the use of female names to recieve help	[01:42]
Mama-of-Koios	bullshit	[01:42]
Koios	to be honest i think i might have to resort to that again =[	[01:43]
Mama-of-Koios	people don't help you because you are no fun to help - you act like a baby and like a jerk if you "resort" to anything it just proves my point Pretending to Moderator. Good lord, where did I go wrong?	[01:43]
Koios	the reason i repeatadly ask for help is that so when people sign on they can see that i still need help for the ones that live on herewhen they actually check the page they can see that it I am active	[01:44]
Mama-of-Koios	Don't you see a list of people in the channel? You repeat and repeat even though that list doesn't change.	[01:45]
Koios	yes isnt that sad that they sit there and watch me beg for help shame on you horrible many nights i sat here upset as can be knowing these people watched me beg for hours	[01:45]
Mama-of-Koios	some are bots, some are logged in but not actually watching, some know already that you have a hard time understanding and following adivce you ask the same question even though people have already answered.	[01:47]
Koios	so what if I am not bright and computer savy do you have to be continuously abusive to me verbally	[01:48]
Mama-of-Koios	People who understand how IRC works know that they have to patient, wait for people to come back, read, respond -- If they know an answer, and who knows how many actually do...	[01:48]
Koios	i feel bad enough that my sight is still not functioning after a month i have people relying on me	[01:48]
Mama-of-Koios	What, you're into self-pity again already? Like I said, grow up and be responsible for yourself.	[01:48]
Koios	i try to slip it in there whenever possible yes	[01:49]
Mama-of-Koios	Nobody's f*cking relying on you or your site? ? -> ! Is anybody that foolish?	[01:49]
Koios	great just what i wanna hear more verbal abuse i hope to make enough money to help my family out	[01:50]
Mama-of-Koios	self-pity self-pity -- this is getting old	[01:50]
Koios	just leave me be caarrie	[01:50]
Mama-of-Koios	Get a job then, or 2 jobs. Your dreaming if you think any website is going to bring you fast $$	[01:51]
Koios	give me a link to another chat for tikiwik	[01:51]
Mama-of-Koios	I'm not caarrie	[01:51]
Koios	i just got a dwi and cant drive this was a way i could make a living stop getting personal	[01:51]
Mama-of-Koios	bus, walk, whatever	[01:52]
Koios	i live a hour away from anything link me to another chat i will leave you all be for good chiba?	[01:52]
Mama-of-Koios	Looks like you already pissed in the only pond you got here.	[01:53]
Koios	i am suprised i thought more of you than to pull some hoax like this its ok	[01:53]
Mama-of-Koios	not chiba	[01:54]
Koios	it doesnt matter who it is my feelings have been hurt by many here since day one	[01:54]
Mama-of-Koios	logs show on day one you came in pretending/lying etc	[01:55]
Koios	i did it for privacy reasons	[01:55]
Mama-of-Koios	bs	[01:55]
Koios	check the logs	[01:56]
Mama-of-Koios	privacy reasons? but you gave out domain name? registration can be checked? get real	[01:56]
Koios	well i didnt realize i was so vunerable i am new to the pc gee wiz	[01:56]
Mama-of-Koios	and you think you'll get fast $$ with a web site? ain't gonna happen. find a real income somewhere.	[01:57]
Koios	i dont think it will happen quick as you all have already made it clear i have a horrible idea please just let me be now =[	[01:58]
Mama-of-Koios	ok, and you let us be -- post a question once and shut up for a while. come b ack and see if it's answered. quit the repeating over and over. that only turns people off. think about it.	[01:59]
Koios	no one ever helped me except chibaguy so i amnot too worried about it	[01:59]
Mama-of-Koios	bye	[02:00]
Koios	=[	[02:00]
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Moderator	hello I need to make a page using iframes can anyone help?	[02:05]
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luciash	eeek, it's weird to read ppl answering koios when i put him on ignore :-p but do i need to put Mama-of-Koios and all the others to my ignore list too ? g polom btw :)	[02:27]
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Geoffrey_	\|Is it me, or can I not create Nested forums intiki? What I have is, a list of departments, each department has its own forum list, and I have 1 Forum called Meeting Minutes which is a new Topic within Meeting Minutes, So to seperate the Forums, I have to create fancy naming of the forums to seperate them For example Like Division-Department-Meeting Minutes. Any suggestions, maybe I am using Forums for the wrong purpose, they wanted to upload word documents, but the search engine will not find stuff within the attachments.	[02:49]
luciash	hi Geoffrey_, why not to use file galleries instead for uploading files/documents ?	[02:54]
Geoffrey_	is it searchable? we are using file gallerys for other things. btw, hi Luciash	[02:55]
luciash	don't know from top of my head how much it is searchable... or maybe trackers would fit, or create wiki pages structure and let them upload attachments to the wiki pages maybe that's the most easiest to set up the wiki pages structure with allowing attachments to them i think you have to test that out ;)	[02:56]
Geoffrey_	yep!ill try it!	[02:58]
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luciash	forums are too complicated for the purpose i think	[02:58]
Geoffrey_	I have ben simplifiying them down a bit, need toget users feedback	[02:59]
luciash	wiki pages can have comments to get the feedback too + you can have the nested structure	[02:59]
Geoffrey_	one of the issues I have though is if 1 team create minutes call Oct1meeting, and another team does the same thing, the wiki will cross link them to the same page! its harder to train the users then to configure the system!! lol	[03:01]
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Geoffrey_	whats the big difference and focus between Tiki2 and tiki3>?	[03:11]
luciash	that it isn't released yet ? :) aka unfinished stuff :) lots of new features but not fully functional...	[03:14]
Geoffrey_	just wonder on the direction, Some features that are in systems like Horrible J2EE system called Vignette is the Workflow. but you can pretty much work around it with in the tikie strucutre, and hide the menus from the users!	[03:16]
luciash	we're also trying to make things easier configurable, code simplification, polishing, etc.	[03:16]
Geoffrey_	yeh, thats more important!	[03:17]
luciash	i don't know Vignette	[03:17]
Geoffrey_	you dont want to. but the scmp.com is written in Vigette.	[03:18]
luciash	btw, for the meetings i'd consider using tracker or calendar events and link them from the wiki pages using tracker wiki plugins... you can categorize the items created and then limit the listing in the tracker wiki plugin, so for the corresponding wiki page you get listing of the categorized tracker items it's all about playing and finding what fits best from tiki ;)	[03:21]
Geoffrey_	yeh.	[03:22]
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ragnvald	First a question on drop-down menus. I am registering a group of people with First name and Last name. I would like to use a combination of first and last name in the drop down menus. Anyone knows how to do this? The mentioned drop down menus are used to fill inn a link(reference) in a list of project ownership. This link should point to the object in the persons tracker. ...so this is a tracker question. Forgot to mention.	[07:58]
	The second is on using the trackerlist plugin in a description field of a first tracker. When listing the first tracker the webpage generated seems to fail. Only way to fix the problem seems to be to edit the field data from a MySQL client. Is this a known bug, or should it be filed as a consistency? The thought of having a trackerlist of tasks within the descriptive field of a project is quite logical from my point of view. Less technical dudes	[08:10]
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	I guess the first issue could be solved by introducing string handling to the "computed field" tracker type? Tried adding two fields (text fields) but it didn't work. Any sugestions?	[08:31]
luciash	ragnvald: trackerlist wiki plugin is primary intended to be used in wiki pages so it might be problem when trying to use it in tracker description field (infinite loop maybe ?) i'm not sure about the first issue as i'm not experienced that much in settings various kinds of tracker fields	[08:39]
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ragnvald	Thanks luciash, thought there might be some issue like that. Would be nice though, to have a pop-up with current tasks in the list of projects. And as long as the tasks themselves does not have a trackerlist to the projects I cannot see how this could become an infinite loop. Slow maybe.	[08:50]
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GillesMM	Hello sometimes I have words in my own menus, translated from english to french .. I don"t want ...	[09:20]
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luciash	GillesMM: try &translate=n	[09:37]
GillesMM	thanks luciash I put word  it works too	[09:38]
luciash	luciash digged it from templates/tiki-user_menu.tpl i'd try it in module parameters might be i'm wrong	[09:41]
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marclaporte	ragnvald : First name and Last name is possible something about concatenate of two fields in item list (or link?) field type	[10:03]
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ragnvald	marclaporte: ok, I would find it very helpfull. So how do I add these to text fields to one in a drop-down menu. AS I mentioned adding a stringhandling field in parallell with the compute field would be usefull. Or just use the compute field with string operations available.	[10:33]
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ricks99	ack! the wiki rss feed for my tiki has begun inseting a blank line before the <?xml... declaration. this makes the feed invalid anyone have an idea of where to look to fix?	[12:33]
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luciash	ricks99: what type ?	[12:42]
ricks99	2.0	[12:43]
luciash	rss2.0 ? ok	[12:43]
ricks99	y also happens with 1.0 in fact, any rss type	[12:43]
luciash	ricks99: sorry, couldn't find it	[12:57]
ricks99	is there something that i did that causes it? other than the first line, feed looks good to me	[12:57]
luciash	is it trunk or 2.1 ?	[12:58]
ricks99	2.1	[12:59]
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ricks99	where is the template for the wiki rss feed i cant figure out how tiki builds the xml	[13:05]
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luciash	i'm not sure if it builds using the lib/feedcreator or xsl files in lib/rss but imho the space is added by something else accidentaly not there	[13:21]
ricks99	thats what I think (because it used to work and i have edited any xsl or lib files)	[13:22]
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ragnvald	marclaporte: The suggested method with concatenating will probably not behave very well if more than one person has the same last name.	[13:27]
	marclaporte: Also it does not give me controll of the string to the extent where I can present the name as "Larsen, Ragnvald".	[13:33]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15140 /trunk/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX]blog: a private blog means you can not post - but not you can view	[13:41]
ricks99	but can't figure where the blank line is coming from :(	[13:41]
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sylvieg	my wiki feed has no white line - check if you have additional line on top of php or on bottom	[13:45]
ricks99	in which php? my tiki-wiki_rss.php looks fine. line #1 is <?php	[13:46]
sylvieg	can be everywhere	[13:59]
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ricks99	i mean, which php to check for the wiki rss. my other feeds (such as tracker rss feeds) are working fine i just cant figure out where to start troubleshooting the wiki feed	[14:02]
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emgent`	hello	[14:36]
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GillesMM	sometime I see the files in the filegallery as tiki-download_file.php?field=xx some time 46326531f0694fcd80802214837f5d4b.pdf why ?	[15:21]
ricks99	depends if you're referencing by file id or filename	[15:33]
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ohertel	Hello :)	[16:15]
GillesMM	hello	[16:16]
sylvieg	heelo ohertel hello	[16:25]
ohertel	Hello sylvie. :)	[16:26]
sylvieg	as you are around - podcast means you keep the extension of the file?	[16:26]
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hoepen	hi folks. does anyone have experience running tikiwiki ob a postgresql-db? my 2.0 won't install (i think its supposed to create the tables right now) due to db-related problems (seems to be syntax-stuff --- .$dbTiki->Execute( "show tables" ) in tiki-installer.php won't agree with postges...) i' ditch the installer .php files, but i dunno where to find a postgres-sql script to generate the tables i need...	[16:37]
sylvieg	it is possible it is bugged - not a lot of person use postgres - the sql is in db/tiki.sql	[16:43]
hoepen	hmm.. sorry, this file is also in mysql-syntax. ENGINE=MyISAM , #-comments etc every sql-script i find is commented with "# phpMyAdmin MySQL-Dump"...	[16:44]
ohertel	sylvieg: you mean the 'file gallery' and the podcast type for saving stuff in there? Can't remember what it does 'exactly', it's ages ago. But it's designed so that you can get direct links for playing the files, which you usually cannot as the links are hidden. Sylvie: if (in_array($ext,array("m4a", "mp3", "mov", "mp4", "m4v", "pdf"))) { $fhash .= ".".$ext; } It saves the extension for those.	[16:45]
sylvieg	yes	[16:51]
ohertel	That way with the given RDF you can use the podcast file gallery as input for a podcast player. :)	[16:51]
sylvieg	so like this you can access directly the file	[16:52]
ohertel	tiki-file_gallery_rss.php checks if the gallery is podcast/vidcast and gives you the paths.	[16:52]
sylvieg	no need of tiki-download?	[16:53]
ohertel	right, tiki-download.php?$id=%s is replaced with $prefs['fgal_podcast_dir']."%s" for the podcasts. So you get the direct link.	[16:54]
sylvieg	thank you for the explanation - I will update the doc	[16:55]
ohertel	I am not sure if that is the best solution. Maybe this circumvents possible access/download counters in the tiki-download.php But I am not sure if a link like tiki-download.php?id=someid works with the podcast clients. I think it failed back then so I replaced it with valid URLs to media files.	[16:55]
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ohertel	As it is now is the way I tested it with some clients and it worked well for me. :)	[16:58]
sylvieg	the best I can do for now http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=36#Podcast thx ohertel	[17:02]
ohertel	Sure. I should have a look too and maybe add some documentation. ^^	[17:03]
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SEWilco2	Hmm.. Someone's looking for research about e-community for telecommuters. http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/14/1543211	[17:43]
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luciash	hoepen: would be so great if Tiki supported more db engines than MySQL, e.g. the Postgres, but it currently hasn't got enough people to test and fix for them :-/	[17:47]
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luciash	i mean fully supported	[17:47]
ohertel	1.6 or something I had running on Oracle on a Sparc with solaris, years ago. :p It was a rather huge machine, called E10K. :-) Pretty expensive.	[17:50]
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SEWilco2	TW should have scripts which test each component, that would help ensure things like DB interfaces keep working. (Yeah, when I figure out how to do that then I might help create test scripts.. first I want to figure out how to make the debug interface more useful.)	[18:52]
lphuberdeau	nice wish... write it on your list for santa	[18:54]
Caarrie	santa? what is "santa" ??? :P	[18:54]
SEWilco2	Nah, first I'd take notes of how GeoServer's test scripts work.	[18:55]
lphuberdeau	automated tests can be made with things like phpunit however, tiki's code was not made to be tested, so writing tests also means rewriting most of the code	[18:55]
SEWilco2	Debug interface first.. is there guidance someplace of how the debug console should be used?	[18:56]
lphuberdeau	then comes the fact that testing database-backed software is really harder than what the textbooks will tell you	[18:56]
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SEWilco2	I've only seen a couple spots of code which refer to the debug console. I assume people use it and then delete their debug code.	[18:57]
	... and because I didn't do it last month, I get a free month which they weren't offering last month. :-) Oops, wrong channel.	[19:05]
Caarrie	can we get a free month too?	[19:05]
ricks99	*rick gives Caarrie 1 free month of Tiki	[19:05]
SEWilco2	Nah, my spare bedroom will be full of junk until I get it sorted out.	[19:06]
Caarrie	darn it ricks99 i have no use for that :(	[19:06]
ohertel	uh... ^^	[19:06]
Caarrie	i dont have tw installed for use, instead i use _another_ cms	[19:06]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 thinks Caarrie just doesn't know which TW features to enable to make it worth a free month. "Satisfaction guaranteed or double your free month's use."	[19:07]
Caarrie	yea make it a bit more user friendly and use less ram and i can go back to using it ;) till then i got another	[19:07]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 tries to be more friendly and use less RAM.	[19:08]
Caarrie	hehe	[19:08]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 notes his bicycle isn't a Dodge, so am already not using a Ram.	[19:09]
Caarrie	Caarrie laughs	[19:09]
ricks99	everyone has a use for tiki :)	[19:09]
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Caarrie	if i did then why am i using another cms ;)	[19:12]
	and no further comments :P	[19:20]
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SEWilco2	I see "{tr}" in Admin>Look & Feel but can't find documentation for that. Not WikiSyntax table, not seeing tables in Smarty doc table of contents. (I tried using {td} to format site logo on left and title in the center, but looks like title is on a new line.)	[21:18]
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SEWilco2	Any idea why fgal used rather than igal in feature "Use File Galleries for images inclusion in editors"? http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=9307	[21:45]
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JDN	I'm looking to install tikiwiki in a virtual machine (ESX 3.1) is there a up to date immage, or should I just do a cd install?	[22:17]
grobda24	Hello. Can I embed a google video on a wiki page ? I searched the docs and the admin panel but can't find it.	[22:21]
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marclaporte	polom	[22:29]
nkoth3	grobda24: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginGoogleVideo&structure=Documentation	[22:30]
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