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PS|bot | SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 15149 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-wiki.tpl: [FIX] SEWilco fixed bug 1291, so removing warning note | [00:56] |
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mlubin | ok, so what is the ceremony? | [01:03] |
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marclaporte | mlubin: it's a not-so-secret ceremony | [01:05] |
mlubin | oh? | [01:05] |
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mlubin | i think id like to among other things try adding some javascript/ajax features to tikiwiki are you guys adversed to javascript at all?
non-invasive stuff | [01:36] |
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chibaguy | polom
mlubin, have you looked at the javascript/ajax in Tikiwiki current release? | [01:52] |
mlubin | no i last used in it in 1.10, i was working with an it company and tried to get tikiwiki adopted at one of our clients
i almost sold them on it but some of the ui stuff was just too complicated for the people who were going to be using it anyways, i liked the project so I thought I might contribute, be good experience for me does anyone use a good svn gui client for the mac? | [01:54] |
chibaguy | I use tortoisesvn on Windows, not sure about mac. | [01:56] |
mlubin | when did 2.0 come out? | [01:57] |
chibaguy | hm... August? | [01:59] |
mlubin | would it be better to start of at the 2.0.x or the 3.0.x? | [01:59] |
chibaguy | 2 is supposed to be for security fixes only.
(though other fixes etc. are made) New things should go to trunk (which will become 3) There are some ajax features already in 2, and mootools. Most prominent is shadowbox. | [02:00] |
mlubin | well, that was just an idea
like have you guys used stackoverflow.com yet, there tagging system is pretty cool | [02:02] |
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chibaguy | No, but we like to use Tiki as much as possible ("eat our own dogfood").
Maybe some people have looked at or used stackoverflow also. I don't know. | [02:05] |
mlubin | what do you think the average developer experience for tikiwiki people?
like how experienced they are | [02:08] |
chibaguy | They range from code gods to newbies, I'd say. ;-) | [02:08] |
mlubin | what are you? | [02:09] |
chibaguy | closer to the newbie end, for sure. | [02:10] |
mlubin | cool, im a cs student junior year
done some php at an internship and as a hobby, looking to get some real experience | [02:10] |
chibaguy | Well, I think this is a good project to learn with. | [02:11] |
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chibaguy | You should check the archives of the tikiwiki-devel mailing list, and subscribe, get an idea of the discussions, etc.
http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=64258 | [02:12] |
mlubin | alright i'll check it out and plan on seeing me around more, i'm excited to work on this project
thanks for your help | [02:22] |
chibaguy | About ajax in Tiki, if it is turned on, the wiki edit area displays without a full page refresh. Forgot to mention that. | [02:23] |
mlubin | did you guys use prototype or jquery or something? | [02:23] |
chibaguy | Sure, no problem. I don't know what happened to marclaporte and the ceremony.
mootools. | [02:23] |
mlubin | havent tried out that one yet | [02:24] |
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chibaguy | Discussions still come up about sticking with mootools or maybe using jquery instead. Kind of an ongoing question afaik. | [02:25] |
mlubin | jquery is pretty sleek...
i'd have to take a look at how it is used to get a feel for it and form a decent opinion | [02:25] |
chibaguy | Try searching the ml archives for posts on that, to see how people in Tiki think. | [02:26] |
mlubin | alright well im off, thanks again | [02:26] |
chibaguy | ok. | [02:27] |
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marclaporte | since amette is absent, /me passes the ceremoy robe to chibaguy
oups | [02:28] |
chibaguy | hi marclaporte, mlubin had to go.
chibaguy wonders if he knows how to grant tiki commit access, anyway, and other ceremony goodies. | [02:29] |
marclaporte | hehe
https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/recruitment.php?group_id=64258 | [02:39] |
chibaguy | ah, ok. :-) | [02:48] |
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chibaguy | hi mlubin, are you ready for the ceremony? | [04:57] |
mlubin | sure, as long as I don't have to think too hard, I'm kinda tired | [04:58] |
chibaguy | It's easy. Normally there are more people active. This feels kinda like a Las Vegas quickie wedding, but anyway....
chibaguy dons ceremony robe and hat, trying not to get anything on backwards.... The first step is: do you agree to abide by the 3 Rules: 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules ) ? | [04:59] |
mlubin | yes, i read them earlier actually | [05:02] |
chibaguy | Great. Now, next step: is mlubin your Sourceforge user name? | [05:03] |
mlubin | hmm I don't know if i have one? | [05:03] |
chibaguy | Well, are you at this address: https://sourceforge.net/users/mlubin ? | [05:04] |
mlubin | no
not me | [05:04] |
chibaguy | chibaguy checks the manual... | [05:05] |
mlubin | hold on i'll set one up | [05:05] |
chibaguy | ok | [05:05] |
mlubin | https://sourceforge.net/users/marklubin | [05:09] |
chibaguy | chibaguy plays ceremonial music from http://www.last.fm/group/Tikiwiki .. . ..
Very good, ok... That takes care of the second step -- you have been added as a Tikiwiki dev. The third step is.... by the power vested in me, I welcome you to the TikiWiki community! | [05:09] |
mlubin | well thank you very much | [05:11] |
chibaguy | chibaguy pops cork of champagne bottle and pours.... | [05:11] |
mlubin | your are right it is like a vegas wedding
haha | [05:11] |
chibaguy | Heh, well, have fun with Tiki.
This channel is usually busier in the other half of the day, like starting in 5 or 6 hours. | [05:13] |
mlubin | alot of europeans? | [05:13] |
chibaguy | Also subscribe to the mailing list, is a real good idea. | [05:13] |
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chibaguy | Yes, many|most of the devs are in Europe or on the NA east coast.
well, central to eastern NA | [05:14] |
mlubin | im eastern NA
how about you? | [05:14] |
chibaguy | Japan | [05:15] |
mlubin | wow
what time is it there? | [05:15] |
chibaguy | 2:15 pm | [05:15] |
mlubin | your 13 hours ahead of me! | [05:15] |
chibaguy | Are you anywhere near Montreal? | [05:16] |
mlubin | sort of about a five hour drive
im in boston | [05:16] |
chibaguy | Did you hear about the TikiFest Nov. 13-16 in Montreal? | [05:16] |
mlubin | ill check it out | [05:17] |
chibaguy | http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiFestMontrealNov2008 | [05:17] |
mlubin | http://www.tikifest.com/ | [05:17] |
chibaguy | Heh, I don't think your link is the same organization.
...but could be fun to collaborate ;-) | [05:18] |
mlubin | so how did you get into tiki? | [05:19] |
chibaguy | I was helping to get an organization together, software devs and hardware guys, etc., for online collaboration....
We tried twiki first, then settled on Tiki. That organization died, but I kept my interest in Tiki. | [05:20] |
mlubin | i tried to get tiki deployed at biotech start up that wanted a wiki...
they bought a $6000 java thing instead haha i'd like to use the experience i gained from there feedback to make the product better and more usable | [05:21] |
chibaguy | Sounds good. | [05:22] |
mlubin | i think tiki needs like a really good designer to just come up with a kickass theme, i'm no designer but i think it would help alot
im sure you guys have discussed that | [05:23] |
chibaguy | Yep. Check http://themes.tikiwiki.org if you didn't already.
Also a designer is reportedly working on a new default theme, for the next major release (next March). | [05:23] |
mlubin | wow some major improvements from when i was lookin into tiki, back in july or so | [05:25] |
chibaguy | There's a lot of improvement under the surface, in the templates, etc. As that has stabilized, it's been easier to get new themes out.
I've got a bunch in various stages. So there's a lot of improvement happening on all levels. | [05:25] |
mlubin | i know in the 1.x version things are really heavily table based | [05:26] |
chibaguy | It's a good time to get involved.
Yep, I guess people had different priorities when those were designed. like functionality first. | [05:26] |
mlubin | yea, cant blame them really programmers arent designers | [05:27] |
chibaguy | Well, they're built like an old truck, solid and heavy.
(the themes, I mean ;-) ) | [05:27] |
mlubin | is there full support for wyswig in the wiki editor yet? | [05:28] |
chibaguy | Yes, it's there, but is still labelled experimental. | [05:29] |
mlubin | i'll have to check that out, thats a big reason that company didn't adopted tiki | [05:29] |
chibaguy | It's useable, but maybe there are some issues, especially if you want to use wysiwyg and regular wiki syntax at the same site.
I think if you stick to one editor or the other, it's pretty smooth. | [05:30] |
mlubin | have you guys looked at an editor like markdown, something you could kinda use for everything | [05:31] |
chibaguy | I'm not sure; I've seen talk but don't know what options people are looking at. | [05:32] |
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freelikegnu | wow TW 2.1 is fantastic!
I just upgraded from 1.9x | [05:43] |
mlubin | cool | [05:43] |
freelikegnu | one of my sites was 1.9.7
I've been waiting for a long time to upgrade I missed 2.0 | [05:44] |
mlubin | what kind of site do you run? | [05:45] |
freelikegnu | I run a few tikiwikis
http://herenaforge.org is one of them I have to re add soem custom stuff tho this is the old site (despite the url) http://new.herenaforge.org/tiki-index.php | [05:45] |
mlubin | looks like its from another decade | [05:49] |
freelikegnu | I made some tweaks like shoutbox smileys and more verbose "recents"
yeah the image and file gallery updates really made the updgrade worth while there is versioning for files and a really nice shadowbox image slideshow | [05:49] |
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luciash | polom polom :)
hey freelikegnu, long time and different nickname right? ;) luciash at least remembers someone with herenaforge site :-p | [06:47] |
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freelikegnu | luciash: yep
<--omnicolos I have to go to bed now, but it's good to see you again | [07:00] |
luciash | omnicolos, right :)
yea, c u later ! | [07:01] |
freelikegnu | gnight | [07:02] |
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Traveler6 | any brave soul want to try to help me fix an error I encountered while using fantastico update from 1.9 to 2.0 tikiwki?
now that i've upgraded I can not add new members | [09:35] |
Paragtim | Its the quiet time of the day. i think there is only me you and the svn bot, and I have never used fantastico | [09:37] |
Traveler6 | can you assist me in testing one of my backups i've made
i've got a backup of the tikiwiki and I want to install it under a different name to see if it works | [09:38] |
Paragtim | I would suggest that you hang around and try again a little later | [09:38] |
Traveler6 | okay. thanks | [09:38] |
Paragtim | I will try if you give me the url | [09:39] |
Traveler6 | www.sullysensei.com/mcc | [09:44] |
Paragtim | looking now
This is Tikiwiki v2.0 -Arcturus- � 2002�2008 by the Tiki community Wed 15 of Oct., 2008 19:45 EST - from the homepage The Nature of Geography - wiki link working | [09:45] |
Traveler6 | yes. i upgraded from 1.9 the links work, but youdon't get a user menu
i can not add any new users links are fine | [09:47] |
Paragtim | OK - what group have you got on the modules for the menu | [09:48] |
Traveler6 | registered
they can see the module, but no pages I as an admin can see the module AND the pages | [09:49] |
Paragtim | Ok add admin - if that is what you are logging in as | [09:49] |
Traveler6 | but no registered user can see the pages | [09:50] |
Paragtim | Have you made the pages a structure or added any special permissions | [09:50] |
Traveler6 | yes, pages are structures, but i've removed all permissions | [09:51] |
Paragtim | ok - If you have removed all permissions that is likely to be the problem.
Wait 1 while I check registered will need tiki_p_view to view any pages | [09:51] |
Traveler6 | yep, registered has tiki_p_view
I just changed that and still no pages. how do you change permissions for structures | [09:54] |
Paragtim | go to groups / registered / permissions find and check tiki_p_view. There are only 2 perms for structures and they are edit and watch. viewing structures is the samea as wiki pages | [09:55] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15151 /trunk/tiki-setup_base.php: [FIX] security checks: fix tiki_p_trust_input since make_clean has to be called when magic_quotes_gpc is on. | [09:55] |
Traveler6 | sorry, didn't get that nyloth
okay, so. they can see the module "student menu" but no pages. they can see pages once they find them in the search box | [09:56] |
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Traveler6 | but within the menu or any menu, they can't see the "links" to the pages, but I can as admin | [10:01] |
Paragtim | I don't understand. Can you give me a temp account as registered? | [10:01] |
Traveler6 | okay, use the account bob and the password is "pa55word" | [10:02] |
Paragtim | Ok I'm in. On the left hand side is a heading for Student menu | [10:03] |
Traveler6 | do you see any links
home; articles; forums; etc | [10:04] |
Paragtim | That menu has no items (Last Changes, List Pages etc) as these need to be added through the menus link in the admin menu. | [10:05] |
Traveler6 | okay, but now log in as "jane" with the same password | [10:05] |
Paragtim | What I think you are doing is trying to create a bespoke menu only for a group. This is done through admin / menu / create | [10:06] |
Traveler6 | but this doesn't explain why "jane" can see it and "bob" can not
does it? | [10:07] |
Paragtim | As jane you have a full structured student menu. If one can see it (jane) and not bob it must be permissions
Look at the permissions for the Student Menu and see if you have enabled permission there | [10:08] |
Traveler6 | both "bob" and "jane" can see the menu; but only "jane" can see the links so it can't be permissions for menu, right? | [10:11] |
Paragtim | Are you using "My wiki" features? | [10:12] |
Traveler6 | yes.
but that has nothing to do with the "student menu" does it | [10:12] |
Paragtim | Ok have you enabled the user menu feature in My Wiki | [10:13] |
Traveler6 | i think so. | [10:14] |
Paragtim | What about the menu permissions, there seems to be 3 of them | [10:15] |
Traveler6 | i gave them annon; registered; and members | [10:16] |
Paragtim | Have you tried creating a new registered user - tom for example - to see if the problem is 1 user specific | [10:19] |
Traveler6 | yes, I get a db error | [10:21] |
Paragtim | When you upgraded did you follow the upgrade scripts in the correct order 1.7 > 1.8 > 2 | [10:22] |
Traveler6 | yes.
I only upgraded from 1.9 > 2.0 | [10:23] |
Paragtim | I had a similar problem with the db when i upgraded and was advised to run the scripts from the version before my current version. It seemed to work for me. The number of "errors" on the upgrade fell off considerably | [10:25] |
Traveler6 | okay, so any idea on how to do that | [10:25] |
Paragtim | run the tiki-install again and it should let you do it | [10:26] |
Traveler6 | okay, so..i was going to run the 2.1 install
should I rerun the 2.0 first and then the 2.1 or just hope the 2.1 fixes the errors | [10:27] |
Paragtim | I would run from 1.8 > 1.9 > 2.0 > 2.1 | [10:28] |
Traveler6 | okay. here goes nothing... | [10:29] |
Paragtim | gl | [10:29] |
Traveler6 | can you hang around for a sec while I try it? | [10:29] |
Paragtim | np | [10:29] |
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Traveler2 | i am lost. this is wierd
Paragtim. still some users have access to the menu; others dont anyone else have any bright ideas as to why some users have access to "links" in menus while others don't | [10:47] |
Paragtim | Sorry - phone calls
do you still have problems adding a new user | [10:50] |
Traveler2 | yes | [10:51] |
Paragtim | In that case i think the problem is with the db. I think the answer is likely to be found in the upgrade script logs but I don't know what to look for | [10:52] |
Traveler2 | ok. so can I export the pages to a NEW wiki
and can I also export the users to a new wiki? set the menu up again and vuala? | [10:53] |
Paragtim | The people here that have been able to help me the most are ricks99, sylvieg and chibaguy. What is vuala? | [10:54] |
Traveler2 | you know..."french accent" vuala! abracadabra! Presto! | [10:55] |
Paragtim | They are usually around in about 3 - 5 hours from now | [10:55] |
Traveler2 | okay, i'll try then. thanks again for your help | [10:55] |
Paragtim | No prob - Sorry I wasn't more useful. I keep watching cos now I need to know the fix | [10:55] |
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Paragtim | Has anyone made the SQL plugin work properly? | [11:55] |
sylvieg | yesterady was working for simple things like select count(*) from members where data = 'vvvv';
I dis a fix in trunk to have it works with date >= 'sdfsdf' | [11:57] |
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Paragtim | It keeps telling me "you do not have permission to use this feature". I am testing with a cut and paste from the web page. Any ides/
ideas :) | [12:01] |
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Paragtim | Mass kick !!! - my sql plug in keeps telling me I don't have permission for the feature. Any ideas | [12:05] |
sylvieg | you need a special perm tikki_p_dns_ddnsname - look at doc.tw.org | [12:08] |
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Paragtim | Have done a search in permissions for dns and nothing is returned. Any ideas | [12:11] |
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PS|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15152 /branches/2.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerstat.php: backport bug categ/status on trackerstat | [12:19] |
Paragtim | Sylvieg - Problem identified - ID10T error - thanks for your help | [12:20] |
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sylvieg | doc about perm updated http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginSQL | [12:22] |
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PS|bot | SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15153 /trunk/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl: [FIX] wiki: feature_page_title was not working anymore since commit rev.14922
SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 15154 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl: [FIX] backport fix 15153 for wiki page title feature. | [12:35] |
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marclaporte | polom | [13:24] |
ricks99 | hi marc | [13:33] |
mlubin | hey guys, so i've got a like a big chunk of the day here, i'd love to work on something that will get my familar with the tikiwiki architecture and get started, any suggestions? | [13:35] |
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marclaporte | mlubin: : do you have a real project?
mlubin: : you could pick a bug ! | [13:51] |
mlubin | i think a bug might be a good place to start...any suggestions? | [13:51] |
marclaporte | wow, that is fun!
do you prefer php stuff? sql? Smarty templates? | [13:52] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15155 /branches/2.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] No parse syntax could be used to bypass sanitization | [13:52] |
ricks99 | fix tiki's search | [13:52] |
mlubin | php with some sql probably
whats wrong with the search? | [13:56] |
ricks99 | u mean other than it sux? | [13:56] |
mlubin | well specifically | [13:56] |
ricks99 | 1. does not accept standard boolean operators
2. Does not (by default) include items in file/image galleries 3. Does not include attachemnts (e.g., to wiki pages, trackers, etc.) 4. Does not seach pages created by Tiki's HTML Pages options 5. does not include a page's TAGS (freetags) when calcuating ranking for search results those are my top 5 tiki search issues | [13:56] |
mlubin | well i think that would be a good project | [13:59] |
sylvieg | i is sloved with mysql search in trunk | [14:00] |
mlubin | oh ok
all of them sylvieg ? | [14:00] |
sylvieg | 1 only | [14:00] |
ricks99 | cool. so i can search for +foo -bar "alpha beta" to find pages that MUST contain "foo", must NOT contain "bar" and might contain the phrase "alpha beta" | [14:01] |
sylvieg | if mysql boolena search works as expected yes | [14:01] |
ricks99 | can i also seach for foo* to find fooing, fooed, etc?
and foo??? to find foobar and foobit, but not fooba or boofi? | [14:02] |
mlubin | i think id really like to work on improving the tagging in general
including in the search | [14:03] |
sylvieg | yes look the doc xavi did on doc.tww.org | [14:04] |
ricks99 | sweet! | [14:04] |
sylvieg | but it is only for mysql search | [14:04] |
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ricks99 | @mlubin: imho, if a page has been tagged with "foo" (but does not contain the word "foo" in text) it should still appear in the search results
if a user searches for "foo" | [14:04] |
mlubin | definatly i agree
should there many be a search by tags option ? maybe? | [14:05] |
ricks99 | imho, no. presents too many confusing options to end users. why would i search by tag instead of "regular" search? (espeically since not everything can be tagged) | [14:06] |
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ricks99 | @sylvieg: is the new search in 2.x svn or 3.x? | [14:07] |
sylvieg | trunk | [14:07] |
ricks99 | tx
off to read the docs & play with new search :) | [14:07] |
sylvieg | ricks99: I did this for the Emmett guuy I told you about - and he considered it was on my charge
not to happy with the relevance | [14:08] |
ricks99 | i'm sure. | [14:09] |
mlubin | can file attachments and images be tagged? | [14:10] |
sylvieg | I contacted also the guy alexandre who did a sphynx search for tikiwiki - for mozilla - I acn give you all the links he gave me - if you want to test | [14:10] |
ricks99 | rick is still utterly confused by how tiki returns/displays search relevancy. what in the world does a relevancy of 1.0891 mean? | [14:10] |
sylvieg | (never found a description in the mysql site)
if I can add something to your wishes ricks99: be able to weight the fields - words in title are better thatn words in text | [14:10] |
ricks99 | y. and words in description, too. also items in <hx> tags should be weighted higher
but there (imho) still needs to be a better way to explain to end-user what the relevancy means. | [14:12] |
mlubin | does it even matter, is the order of the results an implied relevancy? | [14:13] |
ricks99 | @mlubin: u can tag a gallery, but not (i think) a specific image in a gallery | [14:13] |
marclaporte | http://dev.tikiwiki.org/DogFood | [14:13] |
ricks99 | y, but if result #1 is 20x better than #2, i want to know | [14:13] |
marclaporte | mlubin : ^^ some DogFood ideas which would help the community | [14:14] |
ricks99 | search should also take into account items that are not explicity in the page, but are included in the page from other plugins | [14:15] |
mlubin | i'll take a look, unfortunately, i'm getting that feeling that I'm not going to be much of a productive coder this morning, so im just kind of gathering information | [14:15] |
ricks99 | rick also would love the search results to display other relevant info such as category, language, etc. | [14:15] |
marclaporte | For search: I think: "TermA TermB" searches should be "termA AND termB" not "termA OR termB." http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1536 | [14:15] |
mlubin | i'd say searching file names and tags are the most important | [14:16] |
sylvieg | in mysql full_text it is if A and B gives something - otherwise it return A or B | [14:16] |
mlubin | that sounds like a policy, is there a way that is demarkated to the user?
like these are the ANDs and there are the ORs | [14:17] |
ricks99 | not sure i agree. as an end user if i search for TermA TermB, I would expect resutls as: (ranked in order):
Page with TermA AND TermB Page with only TermA or a Page only with TermB imho there should not be any IMPLIED operator | [14:19] |
mac|jaeger | imho there should
people are used to the way google does it | [14:21] |
ricks99 | truee
i conceede ur point. leaving implied AND is default behavior | [14:22] |
mlubin | or maybe it should be a implied || by page rank unless quoted | [14:24] |
mac|jaeger | actually i don't know how google does it *g* | [14:25] |
mlubin | well | [14:25] |
mac|jaeger | but i believe that is what internet-users tend to expect when using a search function | [14:25] |
mlubin | if you look for some term
like dog treats do you want the top pages about dogs and the top pages about treats | [14:25] |
mac|jaeger | neither | [14:26] |
mlubin | or do you want any page that contains "dog treats" then the top pages about dogs or treats
regardless of the ranking of relvance of the "dog treats" page | [14:26] |
mac|jaeger | i'd like the pages containing both words weighing more than the pages with only one word, and even stronger prio if the words are located in direct vicinity | [14:27] |
mlubin | but there should probably be some cut off where the || results get mixed in
because if you have some pages that just happen to mention dogs and treats totally unrelatedly you'd probably rather get the top dog || treats results | [14:28] |
mac|jaeger | you don't need a cut off when you give points for "dog" and "treat" and add bonus for vicinity, then weigh the result with the page rank | [14:31] |
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ricks99 | google uses an automatic "and" by default | [14:32] |
mac|jaeger | thus pages with "dog treats" will outrun higher ranked pages that only have dog, but will be outrunned by high ranked pages that have both | [14:32] |
mlubin | right, that basically gives the behavior i'd think would be best | [14:32] |
ricks99 | google only returns pages that inlcude *all* of your search terms | [14:32] |
mac|jaeger | no, it doesnt | [14:32] |
ricks99 | http://www.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=searchguides.html&ctx=basics
"By default, Google only returns pages that include all of your search terms." | [14:33] |
mac|jaeger | i often stumble on pages that only contain one of my terms, but mainly on resultpages 10++ | [14:33] |
ricks99 | maybe ur encountering "Automatic exclusion of common words" | [14:34] |
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mac|jaeger | maybe *g* | [14:34] |
ricks99 | if following the google model is the plan, im all for it | [14:34] |
mlubin | so should the or results be included?
i think in our case it would be best because tikiwiki's are going to have alot less data than google | [14:35] |
ricks99 | so searching for "dog treats" will return (in order): | [14:36] |
mac|jaeger | right, but give them less relevance, so that they end up at the end of the results | [14:36] |
ricks99 | 1. page with "dog" and "treats"
2. page with "dog" (because dog was the first term) 3. page with "treats" | [14:36] |
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mac|jaeger | will pages containing "treats" in headline (or even pagename) be in front of those having "dog" in base text? | [14:37] |
ricks99 | imho, no. but it will rank higher than a page with "treats" only in the text | [14:38] |
mlubin | maybe there should be a "search title only" mode | [14:38] |
mac|jaeger | of course having a couple of "expert search options" would be great, but i deem it best if the "default" setting works good enough for most people on most sites | [14:39] |
ricks99 | how about adding other operator to the query: "dog treats title=treats lang=en"
allow to search page title, page name, page lang, category, etc | [14:40] |
mlubin | tags | [14:41] |
ricks99 | @mlubin: and you'll have all this coded by friday, right ;-) | [14:41] |
mlubin | i really think that free tagging should replace the categories all together, but that might be a different discussion
ha! | [14:41] |
ricks99 | imho categories are different than tags. | [14:42] |
mac|jaeger | cats are all about permissions
tags are all about relevance huge difference, imho | [14:42] |
mlubin | okay i see the point
but to the end user that isn't so clear, atleast the ones i worked with | [14:42] |
ricks99 | tags=content, categories=context | [14:43] |
mlubin | maybe categories should be reconceptualized as groups or spaces | [14:43] |
mac|jaeger | search should respect cats (not show results a user can't access) and use tags (push results that are tagged accordingly) | [14:43] |
ricks99 | already respect cat perms. but i want an (easy) way to filter resuls by cats | [14:43] |
mac|jaeger | maybe cats should be _explained_ better, to the site admins at least... i'm still lost when it comes to cats :) | [14:44] |
mlubin | right, you should be able to search exclusively in a particularly cat
but i like the idea of instead of something being a category it being a "workspace" | [14:44] |
ricks99 | can already do that (from the cat page) but only for a single cat (or its children). I want it integrated into the "regular'" search | [14:45] |
mlubin | so a workspace contains thngs for a particular group or group of people | [14:45] |
ricks99 | i like the idea of developing these as advanced search operators | [14:45] |
mlubin | i think that is a more advanced search feature aswell, perhaps with checkboxes for each category a particular user could access | [14:46] |
ricks99 | @sylvieg: in 3.x, how do i construct a boolean search for a page that MUST contain "apple" but may optionally contains "fruit" | [14:47] |
sylvieg | +apple fruit | [14:47] |
ricks99 | is not returning the page "apple" (that contins the word apple). is only returning the page fruit (which contains both)
oh duhh... need to click the "boolean search" option nvr mind more relevancy maddness: searching for "fruit apple" returns page fruit with relevancy of 1, searching for "apple fruit" returns page fuit with relevancy of 2. does tiki already take the order of the search terms into account when ranking results? | [14:48] |
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sylvieg | is somebody able to commit - I have svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svnroot/tikiwiki/!svn/act/338645c5-6d0c-4034-bc8e-46c924c75bff': 403 Forbidden (https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net)
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freiheit-- | is there somewhere a howto to setup tikiwiki on a local xampp enviroment? the user guide doesnt cover that, maybe im blind tho :o thx! | [15:27] |
mac|jaeger | there's no difference | [15:28] |
mlubin | shuld be pretty easy | [15:28] |
mac|jaeger | just unzip into your xamp's webroot
then do as you would with online installation | [15:28] |
freiheit-- | i set permissions right, made a database, made a user for it, but for some reason the tiki installer php cant connect to my database | [15:29] |
mac|jaeger | for database you can use localhost or 127.0.0.1
how did you create the db user? | [15:29] |
freiheit-- | i just created a default mysql database, maybe i need a special option or something? | [15:29] |
mlubin | no | [15:29] |
freiheit-- | with the xampp mysql panel | [15:30] |
mac|jaeger | no, not really, but take care about the character encoding | [15:30] |
mlubin | does it use phpmyadmin? | [15:30] |
mac|jaeger | umlaute gehen sonst kaputt :-) | [15:30] |
freiheit-- | i think its phpmyadmin yep | [15:30] |
mac|jaeger | can you connect to the database with other tools
? maybe your firewall blocks the mysql port... sry, have to go - sweeties want their dinner... | [15:31] |
freiheit-- | like what? ive never worked with those kind of things... firewall cant be a problem | [15:32] |
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freiheit-- | thx anyway
i get this message when i try to connect: Access denied for user 'tiki'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | [15:32] |
mlubin | you set up the permissions wrong apparently
did you give tiki access to your tiki database? | [15:34] |
freiheit-- | i did
just found the error filled in the wrong fields in phpmyadmin, read a bit too fast... thx :) | [15:35] |
mlubin | good luck | [15:38] |
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sylvieg | ah sf back :-) | [15:56] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15156 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: notice | [15:57] |
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15157 /trunk/modules/mod-menupage.php: [MOD]menupage: new param page (=pagemenu) and title
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mlubin | id like to add a feature where we can see the list of all current tags and the number of things tagged that, how do you think this would be best accomplished? | [16:27] |
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nikhilodeon | hi - i am kind of new to smarty and wanted to find out if it's possible to call functions from within .tpl files
if anyone has any helpful URLs, etc | [16:33] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15159 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_notifications.tpl: [MOD]notif: some display improvment in the outbound mail | [16:34] |
sylvieg | yes
smarty.net | [16:34] |
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PS|bot | SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 15160 /branches/2.0/templates/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [FIX] Missing feature check for inclusion of extra css files. | [17:09] |
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2069 - TikiWiki 2.0: Categories Page Cannot be Found? - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2069
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2070 - RSS for comments - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2070 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2071 - embed youtube, google etc - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2071 | [17:18] | |
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mib_gn8v6e | Hello. If I set the "Validate email address" do I actually need to run an SMTP server? | [17:55] |
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mac|AFK | no
afaik this only reverse lookup s the domain | [17:56] |
luisj | Is there any log file to find out the reason why the emails never show up? | [17:56] |
mac|AFK | or do i mix this with the "send activation mail" feature?
that _would_ need some sort of smtp agent sry, just came back in | [17:57] |
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mac|jaeger | so you are talking about the activation mails | [17:57] |
luisj | yes | [17:58] |
mac|jaeger | running linux? | [17:58] |
luisj | yes | [17:58] |
sylvieg | yes buit you need to send the confirmation email to the user - so you need something to send | [17:58] |
mac|jaeger | usually all linux boxes have some sort of smtp agent running | [17:58] |
luisj | I thought that maybe it was the php script who sendt the mails | [17:58] |
mac|jaeger | but most mail-servers won't accept these mails
the php script uses php's sendmail feature, which in turn relies on the systems mta | [17:58] |
luisj | So... What should I do If it doesnt work with, lets say, exim? | [17:59] |
mac|jaeger | is this a professional hosting solution, a business server or some dialup home server?
(you should first try to find out _if_ your system can send mail at all) (then find the log files, examine if there are mails sent) | [18:00] |
luisj | Its a server from the university where I study | [18:02] |
mac|jaeger | then maybe your university filters port 25
(smtp port) | [18:02] |
luisj | They let me use the server for an open-source project. | [18:02] |
mac|jaeger | most universities do that, to prevent spamming from their networks
try to contact port 25 of your server via telnet eg. telnet <your ip> 25 | [18:03] |
luisj | I don't think so, as the computer is already being used as a server. I'll try to install a smtp agent and see what it happens
otherwise I'll blow my head up :-) | [18:03] |
mac|jaeger | being used as a server means what? running an http-server?
or running other services too? | [18:04] |
luisj | Actually http and ssh
in the past smtp as well | [18:04] |
mac|jaeger | ok, then maybe your http-server's php installation lacks the sendmail components | [18:04] |
luisj | but not currently (but I don't think that anyone outside the lab is aware of that). | [18:04] |
mac|jaeger | well, ok. first find if there is an mta running, then check port 25
is your site online ? | [18:05] |
luisj | yes
Im configuring exim | [18:06] |
mac|jaeger | ip? | [18:06] |
luisj | robolab.unex.es
but i think that i set exim so that mail can only be sent from 127.0.0.1 Works! :D:D | [18:06] |
mac|jaeger | yep, it refuses outside connect | [18:07] |
luisj | Great. Thank you very much! | [18:07] |
mac|jaeger | i just wanted to make sure you're not setting up an open relay by accident | [18:07] |
luisj | hehe | [18:07] |
mac|jaeger | fine, good luck ! | [18:08] |
luisj | Thats the reason why the lab's director decided to shut down the smtp server
great You helped to an revolutionary opensource robotics project :P a, not an (i still need to improve my english) | [18:08] |
mac|jaeger | keep your spirit, i'm sure you're doing great things over there in spain | [18:09] |
luisj | :) | [18:10] |
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SEWilco2 | Argh. I keep getting a blank favicon.ico displayed. Three versions failed so far... hmm, this one is 14x16 and it's supposed to be square. Have to find another converter. | [18:32] |
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luisj | Does the mime type match with the actual image format?
I think that the default format is png. However, I'm just a TikiWiki newbie. | [18:34] |
SEWilco2 | I think the x-icon which I selected is the .ico type.
For some reason my Linux "file" command thinks it's MPEG content. Probably there's no stable magic number. | [18:35] |
I'm trying ImageMagick's "convert" command now. | [18:41] | |
luisj | XXXXX/tiki/tiki-admin.php?page=look#other
Check the mime type there | [18:42] |
SEWilco2 | Yeah, that's the Look & Feel page where I specified x-icon.
Hmm. "convert" emitted a white square after converting from PNG. I'll try converting the JPEG version. | [18:45] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15162 /trunk/templates/tiki-edit_translation.tpl: [FIX]lang: fix assign language to articles | [18:57] |
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SEWilco2 | That's amusing. With Imagemagick I'm duplicating some of the same errors other .ico conversion tools were making. I suspected some of them were using IM. | [19:04] |
PS|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15163 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-i18n.tpl: oops | [19:09] |
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SEWilco2 | There, my favicon appeared after restarting FF. Clearing caches and reloading wasn't enough.
Hmm. Now I have to create some button icons. I can do it with one of my graphics tools, but I wonder if it would be useful to have a button image generator in TW. | [19:15] |
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SEWilco2 | Client's test site is using JS widget that cycles through RSS headlines. Do we have something similar? {RSS} plugin only displays specified number of headlines. | [20:35] |
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SEWilco2 | Help: A User menu shows OK when logged in as admin, but shows only title when Anonymous. The module and menu items all have Anonymous and Registered groups. | [22:01] |
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SEWilco2 | I made the menu only using "option" entries. Are higher level items mandatory in order for menu to be usable? | [22:07] |
Nope, I tried adding a level 0 item. Menu contents still vanish. | [22:14] | |
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SEWilco2 | I'm not the only one recently with anon menu problem: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2058 | [22:27] |
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SEWilco2 | I'm not finding any permissions or config which is stopping anon menu display. | [23:23] |
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SEWilco2 | OK, that's silly. A menu item assigned to the blank group is visible to Anonymous, but not a menu item with all groups selected (including Anonymous). | [23:50] |
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