a bit
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morning all
morning yoni
Hiiii LUuuuu :D
polom polom :)
ho is netineo going ?
how
hi gary and pascal :)
hi :-)
hi
sry lu i was on the phone... :) Netineo is going very well (under homelook) tks
homelook ?
polom
yo yoni! :D
boker tov :)
hi amette. I'm sure you heard this already, but too bad you couldn't be at tikifest. 
hi chiba, yeah, I feel the same - but still nice to hear, thanks :)
I hope we will have some other occasion to meet!
Definitely.
:)
hi bro :)
hey ho, bro :)
chibaguy: did u uploaded the flvs somewhere too in the end ?
luciash, no, not yet.
how to avoid translation changes to wrong language ?
someone keeps changing Download,cs which should be set to Czech to Russian etc.
amette: btw, when ohertel moved tw.o site some czech characters got broken too ;) → http://tikiwiki.org/Download%2Ccs
hmmm... does that make me feel better or worse now.. can't really decide.. ;)
*g*
hrm, "((ConnectingToIrc|tikiwiki (anglicky) nebo tikiwiki-cz na irc.freenode.net))" doesn't work :(
any workaround ideas ?
use square brackets?
also "((doc:Installation|instalačních pokynů))" this doesn't work properly... :-/ shows only "Installation" on the link
isn't that correct? or what should it show?
wow... import of devtwo MySQL fails because it hits the default max_allowed_packet size... wth is on dev.tw.o that is bigger than a Meg?
it should show "instalačních pokynů" on the link
ah, right, that you mean...
amette: surprisingly ~np~ ~/np~ around the description worked :-p
hmmm.... it's not character set for recognizing wiki-links, I suppose? That should be only for the pagename itself
LOL - ok :P
Boum... i went to eat
see http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=519&bl=n
yo Amette
wb yoni
yo yoni :)
i'm still here after 5secondes.. this is what i call a progres !
LOL :P
To answer you Lu http://www.homelook.net (project of personnal security webcam).
check out http://devtwo.amette.eu
to our style-guys: the logo up there is missing again...
... on doc.tw.o it was the same - it was in styles/mittwoch/img/ and mittwoch is not in SVN...
... so I manually created the directory and copied the image there..
.. you guys got any idea how to make that a bit more convenient (and safer for upgrades)?
smoke break here..
put it in db file gallery ?
yonixxx: ah, that homelook :)
amette: it's in wiki_up: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/devtwologo.png
ah, this time in wiki_up, ok :P
I'd like file gallery the most, yes... dump the DB and you got no problem whatsoever...
depends if the files/images are stored in db or not you should copy files/ too
I'm getting the complete public_html from dev.tw.o, but I copy over stuff selectively (did the same on doc.tw.o)...
:) there is another homelook ? :D
... the old install is a mess - I start from clean SVN-checkouts
amette: it would be great if it worked flawlessly to store in db... problem with storing large files/images in db is capacity/performance/corruption then :(
SVN:  Commit by chibaguy :: r 15730 /trunk/styles/transitions/1.9to2.2.css: [FIX] typo  
yonixxx: none i know of ;)
lol
so it is THE homelook, not that homelook. :D :D :D
luciash: hmmm... yeah, that sucks.. :(
yonixxx: it's *that* homelook i've heard about ;)
a ok :)
where 
yonixxx: on da TikiFest by nelson or pascal, i don't remember exactly
:)
logical then
nice page btw, is it tiki ?
yes
very kewl
"The MacArthur Foundation just released a study suggesting that, not surprisingly, given the integration of social media into business and modern culture, the time kids spend with so-called new media, is generally neither wasted nor particularly harmful."
"...Their participation is giving them the technological skills and literacy they need to succeed in the contemporary world. They$B!G(Bre learning how to get along with others, how to manage a public identity, how to create a home page."
yonixxx: the code doesn't look like that though... drupal ?
http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1968
ha... shit orry this is drupal ! :D :D :D my.homelook.net is tiki
yonixxx: oh, ah, i was already wondering :-p
lot of customization i see :) you renamed tiki-*.php to main-*.php, right ? :)
yes
luciash: could you please test how "first load performance" is now on doctwo.amette.eu ?
amette: sure
cca 5 seconds
hmmm...
ok, it is a bit faster here and basically I think that it should be better than before... there is a xen-bug that I worked around now..
... well, ok, let's see - thanks!
it's definitely better than before !
ah, ok, great :)
wiki_up is there now on devtwo, too...
I should enable logins now, I think...
seems all pages now load/reload around 5 seconds now
huh, what?
fuck :P
yep :-p
but the first impression is better :D
it was something about 10 seconds or more before to load first
ok, that counts - you can never make a first impression again ;P
wow, that bad for you? :O
that sucks for sure
but hmm, for me all the pages afterwards are lightning fast again...
also devtwo.amette.eu trackers are damn fast...
I wonder how it can be so different for you... *scratchinghead*
e.g. this http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Installation loads... page appears after 3-4 seconds and finishes loading at 5-6 seconds
either reload or just clicking the Installation link from menu
hmmm, true... it keeps loading something after the page is there... lemme see...
but in FF it loads faaaast for me...
faaaaaast doesn't sound too fast ;)
it sounds more like slooooow :-p
... it fetches all the images from wiki_up, etc. when it keeps loading - but they are here in about a second or so.. I can't read the output of LiveHTTPHeaders running by..
ROFL - I mean fst ;)
:D
1,5 secs on reload - a little over 2 secs after emptying FF-cache
and FF never shows a blank page - like the HTML is already very quickly there and FF is only waiting for the images
2 secs in Konq - 2,5 secs after emptying cache
maybe you have it set only for you :-p
we could put img/wiki_up/ in a RAM-disk :)
hmmm, nope ;)
supacool :)
:)
hrm
can i easily move mysql db from classic to mysqli ?
I wonder, if it is your connection/route to the server...
i have on one server mysql classic and i want to move it to mysqli one
yeah, no problem - mysql/i is only the connector afaik..
actually I did just that with dev/doc ;)
ok, i believe you bro
might be my route, but then why before i had that feeling of eaccelerator then ?
amette: maybe it's because i'm listening to a last.fm stream now :-p
LOL
hehe ;)
eaccelerator shouldn't purge it's cache - that you mentioned it made me think of that xen-bug in the first place...
... network connections are difficult to establish because of TCP checksumming failing...
... once the connection is there, it works faster..
... then you wait a bit until your connection times out and you get the same effect again, when building up the connection.
didn't change much when i stopped my last.fm stream
maybe it's 4 seconds now
but - how are load times for tikiwiki.org for you?
it's in the same data-center - so we can get a good comparison there for narrowing the problem
doc.tw.o ?
community workspace
ok
http://tikiwiki.org/InstallTiki cca 10 secs
3 secs for me :P
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php 11 - 12 secs
also 3 secs for me
lucky guy
heh
what I don't get is, why you got sooooo muuuuch loooonger load-times on tw.o ...
... should be in the same relation as before...
... the server of tw.o can't be the bottleneck as it comes so fast to me.
but well - at least I would say now that it's more your connection than my server-setup that makes it slow for you
well, now i tried new instance of FF and it was about 6 seconds
aaaah :)
doctwo.amette.eu 3 secs
3-4
better :)
now I wonder, if it will go down to 6 secs as well, when the load starts to hit the server...
... but well, that has to be tuned afterwards when we see the effects.
hmmm, I can't add doctwo.amette.eu to the intertiki allowed hosts on tw.o - anyone got an idea?
ah, the Key needs to be unique...
doctwo.amette.eu -- about 3 secs for page to start loading, about 14 sec for complete home page, here.
14 secs?!? Eat my shorts!! :(
(opera, adsl line)
How does tw.o workspace compare to that?
tw.o workspace?
yup
what's the url?
ehm, like I mean: tw.o - Community Workspace
ah
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php I mean
yeah :)
about 16 secs total.
wow
Seems slower than usual. Maybe some local line conditions right now.
hmm, ok, those two seconds are what tw.o is slower than doctwo.amette.eu - the rest is latency from europe to japan...
sounds right.
... we need a load-balancer that forwards you to your local tw.o mirror and MySQL-replication over continents with dedicated network connections :P
:-)
I'd like to have a test from america now :)
lphuberdeau sylvieg : ping :)
and, hmm... I now updated the intertiki-key directly in the database as I don't have doc.tw.o admin login... still doesn't work "Invalid Server Key", when trying to log in
anyone here got admin-login for the doc.tw.o tiki?
only intertiki for me
amette: me, i'll quickly check
amette: what you need ?
amette: see jabber
ok, thanks
marclaporte: could you log in as "admin" on doctwo.amette.eu and change the intertiki-key?
for details see irc-logs
bye all
nice to see you :)
bye yoni :)
amette: : you have password, no?
ah, I have the admin login for dev.tw.o
marclaporte: only for accessing the SSH of doc.tw.o - not for the tiki itself
I tried setting the new value in the database directly, but that didn't help
http://devtwo.amette.eu is fixed now with InterTiki
all: please test
marclaporte: that charset-bug is ok for me... :-/
luciash: do you have a charset-bug on doctwo.am.eu in the upper right corner in "Search for..."
amette: yes
dang...
I don't have it here - either with Konq nor with FF... :-/
interestingly after reload it's gone
logins on doctwo.am.eu fixed
hmmm.... weird...
amette: the encoding problem is gone ! great :)
seems i have nomore application menu there though
maaagic hands ;)
seems i'm nomore in Admin group there
huh? didn't change anything there...
I just wonder why RewriteRules don't work on dev, but they do on doc..
devtwo.amette.eu login works for me, and admin status is ok. :-)
kewl :)
amette: i'm on the original doc.tw.o though still... there i see the "Developer Menu"
aaah, yes - I don't have to wonder that it won't work, when I'm activating .htaccess on doc, but am testing on dev :P
anyone knows a tracker item with an attachment? I wonder what everything I have to copy over from the old documentroot..
doctwo.amette.eu login works for me, but no admin status :|
chibaguy: same here
attachments on devtwo trackers work - seem to be in the DB
hmmm, ok... only thing I messed around with was the InterTiki-key-change directly in DB...
amette: : about rw rules on dev and doc, they were heavily changed in htaccess because doc.tw.o/webmail is wiki page not tiki-webmail.php
... I'll replay the database and change the intertiki-key in tiki directly.. stand by
amette: thanks for starting clean
marclaporte: ok, I noticed that too right now - gonna move them over, too
marclaporte: you're more than welcome for starting clean ;)
amette: : will send you DNS stuff
ok
ok, now amette changes db stuff :)
wow - how did you notice? :P
:-p
bbl
clean clean clean!
doc.tw.o still has some messy stuff in img/wiki_up 
fom when I took over the site way back when
oh, ok... what's in there? possible to clean through Wiki-Admin?
not really
here is what happened (AFAICT)
the site was using multiTiki
so some images were in img/wiki_up/doc.tikiwiki.org/
and some were in img/wiki_up/*
something got confused along the way
not sure when/why
hmmm, damn... :-/
but there were some links of both kinds in wiki pages
and no time to clean up
so images were duplicated
There was other mess but I think the rest was all cleanup up
sounds a lot like some manual cleaning... or writing a custom script to find out what is linked in the db...
yup 
but for now, if you take images in img/wiki_up and img/wiki_up/doc.tikiwiki.org/, there won't be broken URLs
which reminds me
we should have a link & image testing thingy
yup
I am leaving very soon
ok, I think I got everything...
to tikilunch in Washington and then off to Pais
Paris.
Will be offline for 20 some hours
anything else you need?
the DNS is set to 6 hours expiry time... so, if everything looks good for people, then I'll do the DNS-entry soon... so I'll be awake still for about an hour or so when it is propagated around the world...
you locked edits on old sites?
Not yet
This was first testing round... I will have to migrate the .htaccess still...
... then locking edits, dumping DBs again and replaying them on the new host...
.. then DNS.
you da man
no, you da man
:-)
:)
new server feels fast
that's good to hear!
let'
s see how it will work under load
expect trouble in a few places with trackers
and highlighting
what's to expect there?
amette : : http://devtwo.amette.eu/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1190&highlight=test   on old server: I would get memory trouble, when logged in, with &highlight=
...
I just noticed other charset issue: (#396)Tag "Table New" doesn´t work since 1.9.1
MS word apostrophe, like ... character is causing weirdnedd
weirdness
hmm, ok, I see it, too
got to go
thanks!!
alright, have a pleasant trip
you're welcome!
Have a good trip, marclaporte. And everybody, g'night. :)
hmm, after thinking again... I'll disable logins on the live-sites... removing perms is error-prone and still people might want to change preferences or something...
... by disabling logins the only thing we loose is stats/action-log afaics.
luciash: doctwo.am.eu DB replayed and InterTiki-key changed through Tiki-admin-interface - please retest
brb
amette: If you're trying to provide a fast anon-only server, consider a different login-access server can point at the same database.
All: Discuss.
SEWilco: I'm working on moving the live-sites to a new server.
amette: I thought it was something like that.  I'm pointing out another configuration option, particularly if there's another server not suitable for high traffic but suitable for a relatively few editors to access for updating.
what do you mean with the "login-access server"?
amette: It sounded like you're trying to speed up the server by disabling logins.  (Why do I sound like "Clippy"?)
ah, nope, disabling logins is for the time it takes for the DNS-change to propagate
so that no one edits stuff on the old server that will get lost then
Ah.  I see.
I was working only in TW context, not server transition context.
:)
hmpf.... that dev.tw.o encoding bug was there before already...
... probably better not touch it.
well, data looks just as broken in both databases - e.g.: potom mrkněte na ((Documentation Templates|příklady))
ah, nope... that is just that my console is missing those characters... good :)
re
wb
but I'm rather confident now that anything that breaks now, wasn't broken by me :P
amette: weird → http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features
re-testing, logged in, still no admin status
do you have that on the live site actually? ;)
yep, sure i do
same for gary
you're sure you're sure? ;)
if it's saved in the database then I can't think of any reason, why it shouldn't work on doctwo.am.eu...
otherwise i couldn't tell you the Tiki Unique key from InterTiki Admin
... there's no way to give those rights through InterTiki afaik
ah, right - good point - you don't have to test again, I believe you ;)
lemme make a fresh dump from doc.tw.o
dump in progress
i'm in: Registered,   Admins,   Anonymous,   Developers,   DevTwoAdmins,   DocTwoAdmins,   InfoTwoAdmins,   Security,   ThemesTwoAdmins,   TwoEditors
on doc.tw.o
as i see it
"Warning: since this tiki site is in slave mode, all user information you enter manually will be automatically overriden by other site's data, including users permissions"
so it comes from tw.o via InterTiki obviously
hmm, groups too??
I got no idea...
yep, groups come from tw.o
... I only know that you can set one group in InterTiki which says which group gets used for intertiki
so then... why did it work for gary and you on devtwo.am.eu and not doctwo ???
maybe set up the InterTiki wrong at some point ?
I only changed the key, nothing else
hrm, no idea
but yeah, that's interesting...
... you are not assigned to those groups on doctwo.amette.eu
i just know on doctwo.am.eu i'm not admin anymore ;)
well, then we know just as much ;)
the dump on which doctwo.amette.eu is running right now is from 2008-11-16 - should be new enough... weird
ok, replaying two minute old dump
done
now those groups are there for you
*scratchinghead*
uh oh *g*
my head will be bleeding soon, if this goes on like that :P
it's a living creature it seems... doing stuff depending on its mood :-p
hehe, yeah ;)
ok, but character encodings seem to be right
( my biggest fear in this whole move, believe me )
looks much better now (including the char encoding)...
great
just two things... this is broken still: http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features
and this is why ? → What\'s New
what are the commands you use to dump and import the db dump ?
mysqldump without any special magic
and what's so special about that features-page?
it's very broken - no stylesheet, ends loading in half
yes, I know :)
I mean, what's so special about it, that it does that! ;)
ask me :-p
luciash: what's so special about that feature page that it breaks? :P
i think it uses trackerlist
trackerlist is enabled in lib/wiki-plugins
it's very special because it's huge too ;)
aaah :)
i think you're missing something in the db export/import
I fear so, too...
I'm just looking in the database
the page is completely in the db...
i use this: mysqldump --opt ... > *.sql
mysql --default-character-set=utf8 ... < *.sql
ho, ho, ho - see the show : http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features
and this command i had to use once to have correct encoding when switching from latin1 to utf8 mysql: iconv -t UTF-8 -f ISO-8859-1 20070831-backup.sql -o 20070831-backup-utf8.sql
character encoding is fixed already
w00t, what was it ?
or not fixed, but migrated "just as legacy as it was before"
you said it: "it's a huge page with trackerlist plugin" ;)
PHP's memory_limit of 32M wasn't enough ;)
aye, that's definitely not enough
i'd set 64 or even 128 for *.tw.o sites ;)
I'd like to keep it as small as possible - 64M for now
dev.tw.o has 128M (Gentoo default)...
... do we dare to lower it? ;)
i had to use this for dump once too: mysqldump --opt --compatible=mysql40 ... > *.sql
lowered it - let's go clicking ;)
but you use mysql 5, right ?
yup
still enough here: http://devtwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=All+Consistency+bugs
three times trackerlist-plugin
now i only wonder why the "What's new" module title gets escaped to "What\'s new"... (dunno if --complete-insert at mysqldump would help anything)
... but does not in wiki pages content
another weirdness
it's not that bad though ;)
hmm, bad enough - might be an indicator for other stuff breaking...
... lemme see...
it's correct in the database...
... must be breaking somewhere on the way through apache/browser...
ok, changing the title back and forth also doesn't change anything...
fixed
ok, and everyting still works
that was a n00b's mistake... ;)
magic_quotes_gpc was still "On"
now I wonder what was "upload_max_filesize" on the old host...
ok, 10M on doc.tw.o and no idea on dev.tw.o - will set to 5M
I'd like to have an example of a working umlaut on dev.tw.o - apart from that we seem to be set...
FUCK
The dev.tw.o DB is borked already! :(
compare http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=509&trackerId=5 to http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2169&trackerId=5
Hmm, basically that doesn't change much - stuff is now just as broken as before - there are good and bad umlauts in the DB... so no reason to stop the migration... but I will think about this more while getting beer and having a shower... bbl
amette: cool, that you found out more :)
(not cool about the bugs)
mmh, I'm having some trouble installing on someone else's hosting, but works fine on my server. can't figure it out. fresh install and new db, it just redirects to error_simple with a login form. if I put in user/pass correctly, it just reloads the login form, if I get it wrong tiki loads but says wrong username/pass, and any further action redirects back the form :/
and I've grepped through the entire dir structure for the message it's passing into error_simple with no luck
SVN:  Commit by chibaguy :: r 15731 /mods/trunk/themes/planetfall/templates/styles/planetfall/tiki.tpl: [ENH] Tiki Tests include added.  
SVN:  Commit by pkdille :: r 15732 /trunk/templates/tiki-contacts.tpl: [MOD] indenting code - no changes  
re
and got a plan ;)
wb gary :)
thanks. luciash
Couldn't sleep so got up early. . . working on updating themes for Tiki3.
great :)
cool
(about the theme, and about the band :-) )
got stuck on always full-height + background image in the meanwhile :-p
seems this can help: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/csslayout1.html