#tikiwiki 2008-12-01,Mon

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SEWilco2	Yup, a fresh install of trunk got rid of my DB error message.	[00:27]
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SEWilco2	In trunk the FLASH plugin is saying "Flash player not available". I have Flash 10 in my browser (tested on YouTube).	[02:49]
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SEWilco2	Odd. tikilib->plugin_exists calls plugin_info which calls plugin_exists Never mind. I misread plugin_enabled as plugin_exists.	[03:08]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sewilco :: r 15834 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Add SHARE plugin for flexible social networking control.	[03:17]
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leons007	Greetings everyone! Chibaguy, r u on line now - can I ask u a question (u've been very helpful before too)	[05:23]
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leons007	anyway... My question is about "banners" feature in tw. It seems that I can't get @$#% Javascript in there without tikiwiki trying to pull javascript out. The reason I want Javascript is of course for google ads. Yes, I know I can have Google's ads themselves and already have them, but I want to intermingle them in the same space with other ads any advice would be appreciated. thanls thanks that is	[05:27]
chibaguy	leons007, I'm not sure about this. I thought adsense ads had to be page-specific, according to the agreement with Google. About the javascript being stripped out, maybe a workaround is make a banner that creates an iframe and then put the banner content, including the javascript, in a plain html page that the iframe calls. (the page-specific thing meaning that the page is what gives the ad its context to show appropriate ad links)	[05:30]
leons007	thanks chibaguy. I was looking away from the page fro a few minutes. I have tried iframe as well, but unfortunately clever tikiwiki strips out ifrmae too :( btw, adsense seems to be clever enough - it does get page specific ads for each page ricks99 filed the following request - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=1848 and I saw a few other requests... I am wondering, as an alternative, how do I make tw NOT strip out javascript in certain instances?	[05:44]
chibaguy	What if the banner ad is just a link to an html page that has an iframe, and that iframe loads a second html page that has the adsense code, etc.? Still gets stripped? Gotta reboot here. Will be back shortly.	[05:49]
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leons007	hi chibaguy. A stupid question then - how do u put a "link to html" page? href is not going to work and the only other way of including that I know off is via a script or iframe and both get stripped off	[06:15]
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luciash	holala leons007: use [...] syntax	[09:08]
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shishir_gsoc	hello. I am working on development of ANNOTATION wikiplugin. The aim is to tag (create frames) around certain sections of an image upload. The problem is to match the colors used for frames with that of the tikiwiki theme. Is there a way to get color values for different themes and then use it for the plugin instead of mentioning the color values for each tikiwiki theme separately?	[09:52]
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relena	hello	[09:56]
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shishir_gsoc	by "get color values" I mean dynamically using some javascript. This would be possible if there are certain html pages present in all wikipages with color values corresponding to the tikiwiki theme	[09:56]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15836 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (4 files): Started working on classes for segmenting and aligning bilingual parallel texts.	[10:08]
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shishir_gsoc	I was logged out of the chat server. If any posted any reply to my query, please repost them	[10:37]
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Iramon	I have a question about Default Categories used in Groups: I have a user who is member of a group that has a default category. According to documentation, when this user creates or edits a site, it will be automaticly assigned this category unless the user specifies another category. Now I created a new site with that user, but the site didn't get any category. What did I do or understand wrong??	[12:08]
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relena	it is possible to create newsletters automated. When of new pages, FAQ are to create or to change it or pointed in newsletters which will be send 1 time a week ???	[12:25]
deepaks	no idea	[12:26]
relena	ok :s	[12:27]
sylvieg	You can use modules like last pages... in a newsletter body	[12:34]
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relena	thx silvieg	[12:54]
	newsletter can be to send automatically in certain date?	[13:04]
sylvieg	no not yet	[13:06]
relena	ok	[13:07]
ricks99	brand new trunk install (from svn). get db error when i try to create a new tracker? "trunk.tiki_tracker_fields' deoesn't exist this is on a new (fresh/clean) install	[13:10]
sylvieg	... I can run the converscript anymore ... and I think there is a long time somebody did it - fresh install can be broken	[13:13]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15838 /trunk/templates/wiki_edit.tpl: syntax	[13:13]
ricks99	so, after a fresh intall, i need to run the upgrade script?	[13:13]
sylvieg	no the convertscript must be run in svn now'	[13:14]
ricks99	<confused> how can i grab a new/fresh 3.0 copy?	[13:14]
sylvieg	I do not know - it is broken for me...	[13:15]
ricks99	so it is currently impossible to grab a fesh install of trunk?	[13:16]
sylvieg	can somebody run the database convertscript?	[13:17]
ricks99	anyway to make this process automaitic?	[13:21]
sylvieg	ricks99: can you svn up and retry a fresh install (a new bd)	[13:33]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15839 /trunk/db/ (6 files): db sync	[13:33]
ricks99	updating from svn.... running new install.... get 1 failed sql on a new install CREATE TABLE tiki_tracker_fields... "ENGINE=MyISAM AUTO_INCREMENT=1" and still cannot create trackers :(	[13:33]
sylvieg	try another svn up	[13:39]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15840 /trunk/db/ (4 files): typo	[13:39]
ricks99	upping.... re-installing... sql error gone :) testing trackers... success! tx sylvieg :)	[13:40]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15841 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [NEW]add new colwidth parameter to specify the width of the the first (label) column when creating tracker forms. Also fixed the formatting for type 'h' (header) fields.	[14:13]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15843 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (4 files): Started working on classes for segmenting and aligning bilingual parallel texts.	[14:51]
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amette	sylvieg: Are these two backports are not in 2.2, right? But also I don't think that they are responsible for the problems.... ... last night dev.tw.o wasn't reachable in between because "Couldn't connect to the database", this recovered by itself... ... I will tune the DB-parameters a bit more and then let's see. btw - I read what you and lphuberdeau were talking here - you're both right - it's a lot because of using eAccelerator and it's also because of the right params for apache/mysql	[15:17]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15845 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [FIX]menu: site menu can also be done with CSS menus: If the feature phplayers is not activated	[15:23]
sylvieg	amette: modif in rsslib.php 15486 and 15488 - and modules 15487 can help to spped up dev (I did them in old dev)	[15:27]
amette	sylvieg: ok, I'll have a look - thanks! :)	[15:28]
Iramon	<Iramon> I have a question about Default Categories used in Groups: I have a user who is member of a group that has a default category. According to documentation, when this user creates or edits a site, it will be automaticly assigned this category unless the user specifies another category. Now I created a new site with that user, but the site didn't get any category. What did I do or understand wrong??	[15:34]
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Iramon\|away	if you have any idea, what I did wrong, just answer, I'll read up, when I am back, cu @ll	[15:38]
SEWilco2	All I know is you use too many commas.	[15:39]
sylvieg	can be alot of things - you have categories? your user is only in one group - or the group is the default?	[15:40]
Iramon\|away	I have categories the user is in a group W2 (maybe you remember from last time) the group has a default category	[15:43]
sylvieg	and W2 is the default group for this user ?	[15:44]
Iramon\|away	The user can access the category... we fixed that problem last time (the caching, if you remember) what is a default group? or where do I set that? the user is member of this group... its the first time I hear of Default Groups he is in this three groups:	[15:44]
sylvieg	it is just an idea - because if a user belongs to n groups and none have been selected as default - no idea what tw will do	[15:46]
Iramon\|away	Assign Group GroupUsers Registered Web2(x)	[15:46]
sylvieg	in admin->users->user->assign group ... so it should work .... so ... no idea...	[15:46]
Iramon\|away	its the only group he is in... ah ok, saw the default group :) I'll have a look, mom it works :) but how can a user of this group now edit a site without changing its category? because when I change the category manualy when editing (to no category) the program doesn't mind...	[15:46]
leons007	hi	[15:50]
Iramon\|away	hello leons	[15:50]
leons007	ricks99, r u there? I have a question about your request "Need a way to insert SCRIPTS into banner code " (request 1848). Is this done by any chance or any workaround that u know of? Or that anyone knows off?	[15:51]
ricks99	hi leons007 my only workaround was to hardcode into the tpl afaik,there is no way to get jscript into the banner.	[15:54]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15846 /trunk/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX]fgal: sync add comment button with box	[15:58]
leons007	thanks ricks99, when u hardcoded it into tpl, did u just include that tpl into a module? I would like to have ability to either have my own banners OR Google adsense banner showing up in the same module on the screen. Is there no way to tell tiki NOT to strip away SCRIPT in certain pages?	[16:00]
SEWilco2	Hmm. I have a site in maintenance mode while I create it. One of my browser tabs refuses to show the banner image (stored in an image gallery). "View Image" asks me to log in.	[16:02]
ricks99	u could include the js in a custom module. for my usecase, i had to edit the tpl directly (had some customization)	[16:03]
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ricks99	how do u determine if to show google adsense or ur banner?	[16:03]
SEWilco2	Related to the leons007 script problem: Can an admin put Javascript in a "Dynamic content" HTML object? Then it could be included where appropriate.	[16:03]
ricks99	@SEWilco2: issue is that banners do not accept wiki syntax no way to include the dynamic content block in a banner if the banners could accept wiki sytnax, could simply use the JS plugin	[16:07]
SEWilco2	Oh, yeah. And I don't know of a URL to retrieve a dynamic content block.	[16:09]
	ricks99: I added plugin SHARE to trunk several hours ago. Can alter its social network appearance by changing one line to invoke ADDTHIS, SHARETHIS, or SUBMIT plugins. ricks99: I'll start a discussion in dev list later today about task-oriented interfaces as opposed to single tool interfaces ("show image" plugin vs "show framed image" plugin).	[16:15]
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leons007	ricks99, sorry, went to have breakfast... That's the whole thing why I wanted to use built in banners - they do "time slicing", that is, on page 1 it will show banner X (random) while on page 2 - banner Y. Basically I want to use Google, until I have my own advertisers... thanks SEWilco2, for trying to help too :)	[16:19]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: Soon I'll alter SHARE to allow multiple simultaneous tools, in case someone wants several social tools; particularly if someone adds things like Google Friend Connect widgets. SEWilco2 first typed Fiend Connect, but Google isn't evil	[16:20]
ricks99_	a single plugin to allow any widget? basically just a "pass through"?	[16:21]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: Any social networking widget. ricks99_: The purpose is so you can change the behavior without having to edit every plugin invocation in the database.	[16:21]
ricks99_	so i'll be able to add any of these (http://www.widgetbox.com/search?q=social+networking) with a single tw plugin? very cool :)	[16:22]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: So if you decide that ADDTHIS isn't what you want you can change to a different plugin. Someone has to have written a TW plugin.	[16:23]
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SEWilco2	SHARE only looks at its option to see what TW plugin to invoke. I'll change it to a list of options soon, so more than one can be specified.	[16:25]
ricks99_	so ur SHARE plugin is an sort of a meta-plugin? there still needs to b a plugin for each widget?	[16:25]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: Yes, it simply invoked other TW plugins. And it's only for trunk due to using some trunk tikilib plugin functions. Had to hack it to make it work in 2.2.	[16:26]
ricks99_	ah.. got it	[16:27]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: The purpose of SHARE is to be invoked without options, so its appearance can be altered by changing its configuration. I already have a wish list item for default plugin option configuration, so one can specify a default string to be passed as initial options to a plugin.	[16:27]
ricks99_	*rick still wishes it was simplier to add 3rd party widgets to tiki	[16:28]
SEWilco2	Until there is an admin-level plugin configuration tool, the code for SHARE has to be altered to specify the default option.	[16:29]
ricks99_	creating a plugin for every widget is a pita	[16:29]
SEWilco2	ricks99_: Your ricks99 name timed out. At least for javascript widgets, it would be nice if something like "dynamic content" objects could be created by an admin with javascript. Being trusted, those could then be invoked.	[16:29]
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ricks99	would like to see a security perm to allow 'trusted' users to add scripts through simple copy/paste need to balance security risk vs. ease of use	[16:33]
SEWilco2	Yup. But having a user whose JS edit filter was disabled would increase the chance for accidents. Either require they check an "Allow scripts" checkbox at edit time, or have special objects for script code.	[16:36]
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ricks99	y. but my user who wants to add a video to a wiki page.. on youtube they see "copy this to any web page" -- they don't want to have to find/learn/use the youtube tw plugin. i don't have the solution.. just feedback :(	[16:38]
relena	bye	[16:39]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15847 /trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php: [FIX] block textarea: add quicktagslib global var	[16:42]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 15848 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (6 files): [FIX] dos2unix SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 15849 /trunk/lib/multilingual/SentenceSegmentorTest.php: [FIX] fix test failed message	[16:58]
SEWilco2	ricks99: Maybe we need a tool which recognizes a JS widget pattern and accepts those which match the pattern. ricks99: So an admin could add a "script acceptance pattern" by pasting a YouTube script and replacing the video name with ".*" or some magic word. ricks99: Then anyone (or anyone with "script permission") could paste such a YouTube widget and it would be accepted. ricks99: Although from a content management point of view, it would be better to extract the script name and feed it to a "VIDEO" plugin with option "site=youtube,video=xxxx" options. In case the YouTube incantation changes in 20 years.	[17:04]
ricks99	would b nice. just saying that from an end-user point of view, it is very hard to add content from 3rd party	[17:14]
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marclaporte	ricks99 : +1	[17:26]
	ricks99: : any chance to look at ui.tikiwiki.org? we must move quickly	[17:34]
ricks99	y. i saw.. but my comments/insight (such as it is) in on dev.tw.o (as per the dev mailing list) implementing the existing items/requests would be a good start	[17:37]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15850 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (2 files): Started working on classes for segmenting and aligning bilingual parallel texts.	[18:09]
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ohertel	Hello! :)	[18:12]
Caarrie	wow a stranger appears	[18:13]
ohertel	Hey!	[18:13]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15851 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (2 files): Implemented a shortest path algorithm.	[18:13]
ohertel	:p ohertel just updated tw.o	[18:13]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15852 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ShortestPathFinder.php: No log message	[18:17]
SEWilco2	I wonder whether alain did not give a commit message, remove log messages, or add a log message?	[18:19]
sylvieg	hello ohertel	[18:21]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15853 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]menu: fix type perm+ key yellow or green if perms+ pagination + button	[18:21]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15854 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [FIX]trackerlist: view=page must also select the item associated to a page even if the item was not created from the page	[18:54]
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nyloth	Hi all	[18:59]
sylvieg	hello	[19:00]
Caarrie	amette: you around?	[19:02]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15855 /trunk/db/features.csv: updated dependencies, show time/date examples	[19:07]
	SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15856 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-browse_categories.tpl: [FIX]Use the site_crumb_seper from the preferences instead of hardcoding "::" SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15857 /trunk/templates/tiki-browse_categories.tpl: [FIX]Use the site_crumb_seper from the preferences instead of hardcoding "::"	[19:12]
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amette	Caarrie: here	[19:56]
Caarrie	you still have the ability to run an eggdrop?	[19:56]
amette	basically yes, actually the possibilities theoretically got better ;)	[19:57]
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Caarrie	well next weekend i head home for break till january [the 13th of dec] would be nice if i could host the bot or put up a tikibot	[19:58]
amette	ah, you're running it from your home machine?	[19:59]
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Caarrie	i am running it from my laptop here, i have no shells to run either of my bots so i leave they leave ;)	[19:59]
amette	ah, ok I'll put it on my list	[19:59]
Caarrie	so the few hours it takes me to get home there will be no bot here till i get set back up i could set it up if i had access to your machine with ssh ;)	[19:59]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15858 /trunk/ (18 files): [MOD] remove useless (some are very old) comments in files	[20:00]
amette	ah, ok, so if it doesn't work out, it's just a couple of hours, ok..	[20:00]
Caarrie	right but would be nice to have a tiki person host it just incase they want to modify it in anyway ;)	[20:00]
amette	yeah, should be on irc.tw.o imho - but that hasn't moved yet	[20:01]
Caarrie	as long as i can get ssh access in a matter of minutes i can setup the bot with a new nick to run ;)	[20:02]
amette	why is everyone so eager to get ssh access? I shouldn't have mentioned that..	[20:02]
Caarrie	:P i did ;) not you	[20:02]
amette	I did on mailing list - as soon as I clicked "Send", I knew it was a mistake ;) the problem is not the access, the problem is that irc.tw.o hasn't moved yet	[20:02]
Caarrie	moved to where?	[20:03]
amette	new server	[20:03]
Caarrie	ah and when might that happen?	[20:03]
amette	now that it's on my list - hopefully before 13th	[20:03]
Caarrie	ok just let me know the status ;)	[20:04]
amette	yup	[20:04]
Caarrie	i dont have a problem hosting it, just that when i go back home and reconnect he will spam the channel :P for all the commits in the last few hours :P	[20:04]
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sylvieg	ricks99: FEATURES.CSV IS EMPTY NOW... i THINK sorry for caps	[20:09]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 comes out of cover now that firing caps has ended	[20:11]
btiffin	Tiki Calendar problems. Clean browser, http://add1tocobol.com Calendar shows Dec 1 as a Monday. Login; display goes wrong with the first shown as Tuesday. It seems to shuffle one day for each valid logged in user. So two people log in, it'll show as Wednesday. Hover over Tooltips always correct. Once logged out, the display stay wrong even for Anonymous until a cycle of the browser. 2.2 arcturus. Fire fox and Konqueror both "break" on the calendar once a login has occurred.	[20:16]
SEWilco2	I just did an svn update and features.csv vanished. I have a copy of it from last night, but hesitate to update from it without knowing why it vanished.	[20:17]
sylvieg	ping ricks99	[20:17]
SEWilco2	ping ricks99	[20:23]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sewilco :: r 15859 /trunk/db/features.csv: [FIX] restore db/features.csv apparently deleted in error in 15855.	[20:29]
SEWilco2	Comment involving date examples indicates no intent to delete features.	[20:29]
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ricks99	pong y sylvieg & SEWilco2 not sure what happened. was fine on mylocal going to try again...	[20:37]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15860 /trunk/db/features.csv: updated dependencies, show time/date examples	[20:42]
ricks99	seems ok now. i see full 78k when i browse svn appologies, all	[20:43]
SEWilco2	I see the modified features.csv on SF now. Looks OK.	[20:44]
ricks99	Windoze is so smart, change the format of the fiile, from text, due to its csv extension	[20:45]
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sylvieg	thx ricks99	[21:20]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15861 /trunk/ (9 files): [MOD] remove useless commented code SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15862 /branches/2.0/db/ (8 files): [MOD] add the indexes in 2.x - I bet a lot of people will forget in the upgrade process	[21:36]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15863 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): notice	[21:50]
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sylvieg	do we have a duplicate page somewhere? found it	[22:08]
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SEWilco2	Sky Show Tonight: Jupiter, Venus, Moon to Make "Frown" http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081201-jupiter-venus.html	[22:30]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15864 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD]tracker: new param to page selector to create the page if does not exit copy of another page	[22:41]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15865 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): pagination	[23:51]
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