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   gferreira: hello world
   <br> i am having trouble with calendar permissions, maybe someone can help me out?
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   gferreira: i have all calendar permissions set for a certain group, but i am still getting a "Permission denied you can not view this page" error when i try to create an event
   <br> i can view the empty calendar, but can't create events
   <br> am i missing something? is this a bug? i'm using tw 2.2
   <br> thanks
   lphuberdeau: did you create a calendar?
   gferreira: not a new one, no
   <br> i'm viewing the calendar that appears in the application menu, right under 'home'
   <br> ok, i've created a calendar and now it works fine
   <br> thanks for the hint! :-)
   lphuberdeau: I remember asking myself why it didn't work before... not easy to understand there is no calendar when you see one ;)
   gferreira: yes, maybe there should be a note somewhere explaining this... :-)
   <br> thanks again, bye!
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   chibaguy: Are there any docs on the "Edit plugin" icons that are displayed in wiki pages, in trunk (when logged in as admin)?
   <br> These appear for all images, in Opera.
   <br> The popups don't have close icons, in IE7,
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   chibaguy: And appear down at the page bottom, in FF3.
   <br> In my local test, making changes in the fields and submitting has no effect.
   <br> I take it "Edit plugin" is for fast modifications of images, plugins, etc., without going to the wiki edit page?
   <br> I hope devs are able to check in browsers besides FF. Anything using popups, javascript, etc., seems fairly likely to not work as expected in all browsers.
   <br> (thinking of the new wiki edit help sidebar here)
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   marclaporte: <u>fyi</u>: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081203/ap_on_hi_te/tec_tech_bit_wikipedia_editing
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   marclaporte: <u>chibaguy</u>: : I see edit plugin as the start of a plugin builder/helper
   chibaguy: Probably so.
   marclaporte: would be nice to have some more like this for wiki syntax
   <br> to build urls for example
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   chibaguy: Hopefully it'll work ok in all browsers eventually. I submitted a few bug reports about problems in Opera and IE.
   marclaporte: ok
   <br> about ui.tikiwiki.org, do you forsee any problems/ missing stuff with patrick's designs?
   chibaguy: Right now I'm working on the main layout for the design he said was the actual one for COE.
   <br> And can pretty much use default templates so far.
   <br> I assume the wiki edit page will need significant template changes (which I guess Pascal is going to do?) for the tabs interface like we saw at TikiFest.
   <br> Actually some of the design details for COE may be specific to that theme, like the way the search and login are at the page top, and not necessarily the way to go for the default Tiki themes, but that's a minor issue.
   <br> I haven't looked at Patrick's designs for the forum and so on, so don't know what's needed there, yet.
   marclaporte: significant template changes could be done by lph as well. We'll see who has time
   <br> ok, bedtime for me (4am)
   chibaguy: Also the new design uses a very narrow icons-only left column, which probably wouldn't be recommended for Tiki sites in general.
   marclaporte: ok
   chibaguy: ok, good night. :-)
   marclaporte: you online tomorrow?
   chibaguy: Should be, yes.
   marclaporte: super
   <br> take care!
   chibaguy: ok, you too.
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   voraistos: do you know how i could get a top-bar menu (with phplayers and nice js drop down) but without having a menu module on the side ?
   chibaguy: voraistos, you can set the top-bar menu with the Look and Feel config page, and use the admin modules (tiki-admin_modules.php) to turn off the side-column menu.
   voraistos: it doesn't work chibaguy. I tried that earlier
   chibaguy: Which doesn't work? displaying the top menu, or turning off the side menu?
   voraistos: on another hand, my gf did screw her theme up quite a lot, so I'll try with a clean theme
   chibaguy: That's a good idea.
   voraistos: know what the default theme is ?
   chibaguy: If it's a recent Tiki version, I 'd say TheNews.
   <br> Technically, Tikineat is still the default theme, but uses old methods and will be replaced.
   voraistos: ok. got thenews
   <br> I think my gf should have based her theme on this one... hmpf
   <br> so you say I should remove the side column menu?
   <br> you mean press the red cross?
   <br> I already tried to forbid the display of the right column, and move the menu in there. It worked, and the menu-bar would still show, however it wouldn't drop down (display the menu items basically)
   luciash: polomorning
   chibaguy: Are you on admin_modules.php ? And the red cross is for the menu module?
   <br> polomiddleofafternoon, luciash
   <br> ^ tiki-admin_modules.php
   voraistos: yes
   <br> I tried deleting it and both menus disappear. If i move it to the right column, the drop down disappears, but the top-menu still shows. So its not a theme thing
   <br> I was thinking, there is this menuID thing. I don't really know what it does. maybe thats the problem
   chibaguy: Well, menus in modules (side columns) and the page-top menu are set independently of each other. Turning one kind on or off shouldn't affect the other.
   voraistos: but it does :D
   chibaguy: How?
   voraistos: well obviously
   luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: :)
   voraistos: If I delete one, both disappear
   chibaguy: (sorry if I seem slow on this.)
   voraistos: lol
   chibaguy: The second menu isn't in a side column, but is at the top of the page (spans all columns)?
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   luciash: <u>voraistos</u>: sure, if you delete the menu on Admin &gt; Menus and at both places you use the same menu of the same id ....
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   voraistos: uh..
   <br> Now I am the slow one :D
   <br> ok. So, right now I have no menu
   <br> to create a new menu, i clcik on the assign (+) button of the menu in user modules
   luciash: removing it at Admin &gt; Modules shouldn't affect the top menu... i guess obsolete tpl is there in between or you didn't cleared caches at Admin &gt; Tiki Cache properly after upgrade
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   voraistos: I upgraded from 2.1 to 2.2
   luciash: TheNews theme should display the menus fine
   <br> hmm
   voraistos: I'm on TheNews
   <br> anyway. when I add this module, it displays the top-bar menu thing and the side menu. If i move my (column)menu from the left to the invisible right, topbar menu is still visible, but I dont get a drop down on mouseover
   chibaguy: Did you set a topbar menu at tiki-admin.php?page=look?
   <br> ...under General layout options....
   luciash: sorry, household stuff here, dogwalk, etc. :-p
   <br> bbl
   chibaguy: Something like: [x] Top bar [x] Site menu bar    Menu ID [43] ?
   voraistos: Ok. I sorted it out
   <br> it was the menu Id thing that was all funky
   <br> btw, if you guys are hungry i think i have a bug for you
   <br> <u>So</u>: I had a menu (in admin&gt;menus) with ID 42
   <br> when i was adding this menu module, it was adding the menu with id 42
   <br> however
   <br> in my top bar config
   <br> i was using menu ID 43
   <br> but it was displaying menu 42
   <br> (I know that because I customized the default menu)
   <br> and of course there is no menu 43 on my install
   <br> this is the bug
   chibaguy: I haven't seen any other reports of this problem, and people regularly use more than one menu.
   voraistos: that caused this weird behavior i was describing
   chibaguy: Anyway, I'll see if I can reproduce the behavior.
   voraistos: kk
   chibaguy: It's possible that maybe a cache needed to be cleared at your server or browser, that caused the problem in your case.
   voraistos: I'll clear the cache and see if i can reproduce it
   <br> it's not the browser, I always purge
   chibaguy: At my zukakakina.com site (running Tiki 2.2), I have a menu 44 set in Look and Feel, for the top, and usually one or two more menus in the left column. There hasn't been a problem with the id's getting mixed or anything.
   voraistos: I reproduced it
   <br> you don't understand
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   chibaguy: (apparently ;-) )
   voraistos: My top-bar menu was displaying menu 42 instead of menu 43
   <br> probably because there is no menu 43 anywhere on the system
   chibaguy: ah
   voraistos: so for some reason, this bug caused all the weird stuff
   <br> i was describing earlier on :)
   <br> now that i have specified the right menu ID (in look and feel menu top bar thingy) which is 42, everything works fine.
   chibaguy: ok, I see. So the top-bar menu needs some error-checking to make sure the specified menu exists.
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   chibaguy: something like that.
   voraistos: i think so
   chibaguy: I'll do some checking and submit a bug report.
   voraistos: btw, chibaguy, are you really making a hello kitty theme ?
   chibaguy: ah, you're lizi's bf?
   voraistos: yes :)
   chibaguy: Maybe so. Kinda busy right now, but it'd be fun, when I get to it.
   voraistos: has she been annoying ? :D
   chibaguy: Nah.
   voraistos: good :P
   chibaguy: For a few days a while back she was on here kinda steady, but I haven't seen her here for a while.
   voraistos: yeah, she can't really sit in front of the computer anymore
   <br> or use my laptop
   <br> she's pregnant
   chibaguy: hey, congratulations. I hope all goes well.
   voraistos: thanks :)
   <br> she used to put the laptop on her belly, then I told her how laptops kill babies and why geeks really don't understand girls and have difficulties to procreate.
   <br> she may not be a geek but she is a true FOSS convert
   <br> Also the really cool thing is that when i show her something she actually understands
   <br> she can be harsh though
   chibaguy: Heh, I believe it.
   voraistos: If she thinks it's crap, she'll tell you
   <br> like this guy who spent years devellopping sis drivers
   chibaguy: I picked that up from the chat here, but I enjoyed our conversations.
   voraistos: that's why I asked if she had been annoying :P
   chibaguy: nah, I don't mind people being direct or having strong opinions, if they're thinking people, logical, etc.
   <br> makes life interesting.
   voraistos: I like her criticism. I find it constructive. she's an end user that knows what she wants.
   <br> But also I kinda love her so she can't hurt me, not tru for random guys she meets on irc :P
   luciash: re, heheh
   -: luciash never heard laptops kill babies :-p
   voraistos: depends. If the alptop heats a lot then yes
   <br> that's why if you use your laptop as a laptop, it will cook your balls.
   <br> And I'm not making a sad dirty joke.
   chibaguy: I used to commute with my laptop on my lap maybe an hour and a half total each day. But I guess my laptop doesn't get that hot.
   luciash: LOL
   chibaguy: Also I already have two kids and don't need more, so maybe some heat is ok.
   voraistos: lol yes :D
   chibaguy: (not dependable enough to let us toss the other birth control methods, unfortunately)
   luciash: my laptop doesn't heat a lot too, but anyway i guess my balls are not on my lap but somewhere down under there :-p
   voraistos: you can always get an athlon thunderbird with some sort of big graphics card. that should do it. Or one of these batteries that explode :P
   luciash: well, exploding bateries can be dangerous, i agree :-p
   voraistos: mine almost exploded the other day :O
   <br> no idea why
   luciash: wow, scary
   voraistos: there was the battery light blinking weird (and laptop on AC )
   <br> I touch the battery and it was burning
   <br> smelling bad too
   <br> I removed it and put it back, no more blinking and no more heating
   <br> I have no clue what happened
   <br> I was almost crying cauz' the warranty had just expired and i took the biggest (and quite expensive) battery, and din't have the cash to replace it :P
   chibaguy: Maybe the circuitry to prevent over-charging stopped working.
   luciash: that sucks for sure
   voraistos: i suspect so chibaguy
   <br> So are there any serious plans to make nice themes?
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   voraistos: I mean on the how-to-implement side of things
   <br> I find the current methods to be messy
   <br> It's just too hard to make a theme
   luciash: sure, we're taking it seriously all the time ;)
   chibaguy: For one thing, there's work to simplify the templates, reduce or combine CSS selectors, etc.
   voraistos: good
   chibaguy: That'll show up in the next big release.
   voraistos: it wa supposed to show up in tiki 2
   chibaguy: (I hope)
   <br> that's FOSS for ya ;-)
   luciash: planning is good, we already agreed on lot of stuff we should go on... it's just time and prefernces to do that actually
   voraistos: well, actually chibaguy I find that FOSS tends to just drop support for things quite suddenly.
   chibaguy: luciash and I had it all worked out, but other opinions had to be heard. ;-)
   <br> (just kidding)
   luciash: :-p
   voraistos: someone comes up with some great idea, then everything is changed, or we get a fork. basically
   luciash: "we're workin' on it"
   chibaguy: TikiWiki is kind of unusual, I guess, in that way.
   <br> "preserve the environment"
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   voraistos: Also I think some more work needs to be done on the admin interface. It's better than it was, but I still manage to get lost in there.
   <br> actually all I've ever done in php is hacking, I might learn it for real and get some work done over here
   luciash: actually, lot of stuff is already much better than before and we get cleaner and cleaner tpl files thanks to never getting tired contributors like pkdille ;)
   voraistos: You seem to have a small dev team
   luciash: <u>voraistos</u>: LOL, you're welcome to join !
   <br> for real
   voraistos: hahahaha
   chibaguy: There's quite a few people who can contribute, but actual active contributors are not that many, day to day.
   voraistos: However just to be annoying I'll exclusively speak french
   luciash: <u>voraistos</u>: just let me know when you feel to commit a code i'll add you to the devs
   chibaguy: Most of the more active contributors will have no trouble with that, voraistos.
   voraistos: to be even more annoying I'll dump code on IRC muahahahaha
   luciash: <u>voraistos</u>: technically all you need is sf.net account and a svn client
   voraistos: yes i can do that :)
   -: chibaguy recalls the conversations in Montreal when luciash and me were the only non-french speakers....
   voraistos: marc laporte is from quebec is that right ?
   <br> I see
   <br> geej that was some lag :D
   chibaguy: Yes, he is.
   voraistos: I guess most contributors are, if you two were the only non-french speaking guys there :P
   chibaguy: Well, we weren't the only ones, but at some times that's how it was.
   <br> By virtue of meeting in Montreal, and also there happen to be quite a few devs in/from France.
   voraistos: I saw a few tiki-based french websites
   <br> there is hidden text on doc.tw.o
   <br> is this normal ? Or just a theme issue ?
   chibaguy: Maybe a server-change issue.
   <br> Where is it?
   luciash: don't tell me it's between &lt;u&gt; and &lt;/u&gt; :-p
   voraistos: in the header
   <br> "This documentation is a community effort. Join us!"
   luciash: ah, that was visible there before
   <br> before theme change
   voraistos: the "in" that goes after the search box is gone too.
   luciash: seems theme issue
   chibaguy: right
   <br> That'll get fixed, but there are more basic things to straighten out first, I think.
   luciash: gary, btw, i found an interesting blog post for you ;)
   <br> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/12/01/100-free-high-quality-xhtmlcss-templates/
   <br> work for you for the next year if you still enjoy porting themes to tiki ;)
   chibaguy: thanks. I already go to some of those sites for themes to convert, etc.
   luciash: i see :) oswd is pretty well known :)
   <br> (or opensourcetemplates)
   chibaguy: yeah, and no problem about license afaik.
   <br> A lot of new templates at the smashingmagazine link -- nice. :-)
   <br> as if I didn't already have enough of these already to last me until Tikiwiki 6.0.....
   luciash: :D
   chibaguy: I really like doing the first parts of a theme or adaptation. It's the little details and browser compatibility stuff that I don't like.
   <br> I'd like a team of house elves for those parts.
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   luciash: hahah, yeah, you're at the right place then ;)
   <br> btw, smashingmagazine is pretty cool resource for inspiration
   <br> <u>chibaguy</u>: i can exchange some links of my favorite resources (sites/rss feeds URLs) with you gary, if you like
   chibaguy: ok, that'd be good.
   luciash: i can send them to you by mail or via FB
   chibaguy: mail is ok. I'll send you some too (if I have any you don't have already), but it'll take me a little time to find them.
   <br> I've gotta go now, but will be back later.
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   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by Jyhem :: r 15891 /trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [MOD] Correct translation tense
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   shishir_gsoc: Hello I am trying to register as a new User at tikiwiki.org
   <br> but when I press on register after entering the details it says " You are not logged in. Go to Login Page"
   <br> When I use Forget password module it says "Error Invalid or unknown username."
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   lortega: hi
   <br> I need help please!
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   luciash: hi lortega
   lortega: hi lucia thanks
   <br> i epeak a litlle english
   <br> speak
   <br> I have a problem whit my tikiwiki: Is not possible save the changes ina wiki pages, or upload images ...
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   luciash: <u>lortega</u>: try memory_limit
   <br> <u>Sug4r</u>: whatis memory_limit
   Sug4r: 'memory_limit' could be the most frequently asked question about trouble getting blank pages. The PHP memory_limit should be &gt;= 16M (see your php.ini). You can check it with &lt;?php echo ini_get('memory_limit'); ?&gt; and read more at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&amp;bl#PHP
   lortega: 32M in php.ini
   luciash: describe more please what is the problem
   <br> version 2.2 ?
   lortega: I edit a wiki page and I save changes and exceed time connection
   <br> version 2.0
   luciash: i'd recommend gzip enabled and also try even more (64M in php.ini) and check your max time script is allowed to execute, maybe that's low value too
   <br> also upgrade to 2.2 for more security
   lortega: gzip enabled? where?
   luciash: Admin &gt; General
   <br> what's your max_execution_time and post_max_size ?
   lortega: max_exec_time=60
   <br> post max sixe=55M
   luciash: <u>amette</u>: ping, check your mail
   <br> <u>lortega</u>: hmm, that's more than enough
   lortega: ?
   luciash: it's ok i mean, we have 128M memory_limit though
   <br> on one server
   amette: <u>luciash</u>: pong, already answered
   luciash: <u>amette</u>: ping, great :)
   amette: and fixed ;)
   <br> <u>err</u>: pong and fixed
   <br> ;)
   luciash: :)
   <br> <u>lortega</u>: 64M doesn't help ?
   <br> <u>lortega</u>: also, does it on every page (no matter how long the page is) and on every image upload ?
   lortega: yes
   <br> do you like acces to my web site
   <br> whit user admin?
   luciash: <u>lortega</u>: thanks, but sorry, i think i will not realize more than you there... got some work here too
   lortega: Ok Thanks
   luciash: <u>amette</u>: much better now
   <br> <u>amette</u>: i get the error nomore
   <br> bbl
   lortega: Admin/general/ Use gzippet output     is not market. I market this?
   amette: <u>luciash</u>: you need to surf around the site for a couple of hours - the error only occurs after some time when a PHP-process has accumulated too much memory..
   <br> <u>luciash</u>: ... that it is gone now is just because of apache restart
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   sylvieg: amaette around?
   <br> sorry
   <br> amette:
   amette: <u>sylvieg</u>: yup
   sylvieg: in fact I was sudo on tw.org - so I was able to replace remote.php with the svn one - the groups Admins is sent back to doc.tw.. so seems a problem on doc.tw
   amette: hmm, ok...
   <br> ... any idea what it could be?
   <br> I could try updating users_users with the values it had before...
   sylvieg: you do have a group Admins?
   amette: ... or drop the contents of users_users completely? They should be retransmitted once people log in!?
   <br> on doc.tw.o? lemme see
   sylvieg: after a little trace in tiki-login.php can be helpful
   amette: yes, the groups are there
   sylvieg: line 151 print_r($groups); print_r($user_details['groups']);
   amette: ok, added
   sylvieg: dammit - I do not see the trace ... but perhaps it is because redirection...
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   amette: yeah, don't find it either... but somehow the left column moved a bit
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   sylvieg: if ($user == 'sylvie') { print_r($groups); print_r($user_details['groups']);die;}
   amette: :)
   <br> done
   sylvieg: if ($user == 'sylvie') { print_r($groups); echo '-';print_r($user_details['groups']);die;}
   amette: btw - you want it before the preg_split, right?
   <br> moved it there now, had it after it first
   sylvieg: ah no after
   amette: k, updated
   <br> oh, ok, wait...
   <br> ok, moved after it again
   sylvieg: so $user_details['groups'] is empty ...
   amette: like it would take it from the database instead of from intertiki...
   <br> ... should I delete your user from DB?
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   sylvieg: no it does not matter in intertiki
   amette: hmmm, ok... but intertiki does update the users_usergroups table?
   <br> otherwise I can't explain why it was there after the import and then gone later.
   sylvieg: in lin e 128 if ($user == 'sylvie') {print_r($user_details); die;}
   amette: done
   sylvieg: can you check in tiki logs if I login intertiki was successful?
   amette: yup, mom
   <br> 35077 login Do 04 Dec, 2008 14:47 CET sylvie983 Punkte  intertiki : sylvie@tw.o 71.184.193.40 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;...
   <br> seems so
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   marclaporte: polom lphuberdeau
   <br> I see you are on ui site :-)
   <br> main thing is I would like to use plugins annotation and thumb (not together but seperatly) so we can coordinate efforts on site
   lphuberdeau: I tried them... they work
   <br> as for thumb... what is that?
   marclaporte: thumbnail plus, you mouse-over a small picuture to see big one
   lphuberdeau: exists? what's wrong with it?
   <br> btw... I have today and tomorrow reserved for all this
   marclaporte: yay!
   <br> 1st thing: I tried to make annotation plugin using plugin helper. And then to add a comment. Here is what happened: http://coe.notrewiki.net/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=ForumsUI&amp;diff_style=sidediff&amp;compare=Compare&amp;newver=0&amp;oldver=4&amp;tra_lang=en
   lphuberdeau: was that a manual entry?
   marclaporte: no
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   lphuberdeau: ok, reproduced
   <br> now, explain the problem with thumbnails
   marclaporte: http://ui.tikiwiki.org/DogFood#Images_in_file_gallery_don_t_seem_to_work_with_thumbnail_plugin
   <br> I am also on this for next two days
   <br> Patrick &amp; Gary too I think
   <br> so we can get a lot done
   lphuberdeau: grr... rollback leads to a blank page...
   <br> is trunk that broken or only that branch?
   <br> I think it would be important to avoid breaking everything if we ever want to merge it back
   marclaporte: is trunk that broken or only that branch? -&gt; I don't know
   <br> maybe a sync trunk to branch first?
   <br> I hope we don't find more bugs ;-)
   <br> wiki plugin helper is VERY nice Louis-Philippe. You made an amazingly useful UI contribution
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15892 /branches/experimental/declfilter/ (214 files in 26 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 15786 to 15891
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   -: marclaporte senses large svn operations are happening in the background...
   lphuberdeau: only updated a branch from trunk for a hundred revision... ~1 week
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   -: marclaporte is testing semantic links
   lphuberdeau: sourceforge is slow..
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   lphuberdeau: so... annotations, thumbnail plugin... what else on my plate?
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   marclaporte: quicktags overhaul
   ricks99: hi all :)
   marclaporte: and help re-cut tiki to support new design, with tabs
   <br> hi ricks99!
   ricks99: <u>q</u>: with openid... how can i allow users to associate their openid with their tiki login *only after* registering?
   <br> that is...
   <br> i need to force users to register (and select a tiki username) first, and *then* go back and associate their openID with their tiki ID
   <br> is this possible?
   lphuberdeau: that breaks the whole point of openid
   <br> like, not to have a password at all
   ricks99: just for registration
   lphuberdeau: you need to select a username when you register using openid
   <br> well, more like confirm username
   <br> because it's provided by the openid provider
   ricks99: maybe need to ask a different way....
   <br> when a user attempts to register using openid, i want to force the selection of an existing tiki username -- i do not want to allow creation of a new tiki username
   lphuberdeau: I know what you want
   <br> I don't know why you would want that
   ricks99: because i need to authenticate users (using external sytem) before allowing them access
   <br> patching my authentication before tiki-register.php is easy... openID not so much
   lphuberdeau: it uses the normal tiki-register in the end
   ricks99: ah...ok then
   <br> maybe easier than i thought
   lphuberdeau: just receives less parameters
   <br> the return page allows to login or register for new openids
   <br> when you register, it's the normal register page called, just a different form to it
   ricks99: k. i'll play some. tx lphuberdeau
   <br> no simple switch to simply allow openid for login, but not for registration?
   lphuberdeau: wouldn't be hard to add, but there are none
   <br> and because it's really anti-openid, I wouldn't want that option in trunk
   ricks99: understood
   <br> 2nd question... how do i "unassociate" an openid with a tiki username?
   lphuberdeau: I don't think there is an option for that
   ricks99: i see nothing in user admin that shows openid = username
   <br> k
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15893 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/ (225 files in 27 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 15779 to 15891
   lphuberdeau: ui.tw.o is up to date
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   ricks99: ui.tw.o -- nice theme... but horrible in IE
   lphuberdeau: that's not my fault ;)
   ricks99: just saying...
   lphuberdeau: if you want to help out however, the branch is open
   -: SEWilco2 thinks it's appropriate for IE to be named as a choked-off scream.
   ricks99: i'll leave theme work to the xperts. just providing feedback
   <br> ie 6 ~ 25% market share, fairly significant
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   lphuberdeau: that's quite sad I would say
   MatWho: who is doing what on ui.tw.org - I could fix some of the IE problems just need to know if I am stepping on toes
   SEWilco2: doc.tw.o: "New in Tikiwiki 2.0" in DOCUMENTATION MENU needs to have an absolute URL like its neighbor, because .htaccess does not like the dot in "2.0" (or else someone needs to fix .htaccess).
   <br> Oooh.  Text search is nicely fast on the new doc.tw.o server.
   lphuberdeau: mat, generally, patrick does the design and gary does the integration, I do random stuff
   <br> I guess for the IE problems, you could coordinate with gary
   ricks99: is ui.tw.o not intertiki? I was going to login and add a screenshot, showing IE issues
   lphuberdeau: I don't think it is
   ricks99: k
   MatWho: <u>ricks99</u>: It would be better to just let me fix the problems, I have both IE6 and 7 on my mac so will sort it out with Gary
   ricks99: k. sounds good
   SEWilco2: doc.tw.o: Is "This documentation is a community effort.Join us!" in the banner supposed to be invisible?  I happened to notice a text cursor appearing in an empty space.  Also "in:" by Search.
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php  Internal Server Error
   <br> and http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-assignuser.php?assign_user=ricks99  aswell
   ricks99: hidden text on doc.tw.o now unhidden
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15894 /trunk/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php: [FIX] Edge case where no parameters are defined and short syntax was used for plugins in annotation plugin
   MatWho: dooom and gloom - no don't let it get to you - lp is doing random things - all will be well :)
   <br> hey ui.tw.o is looking good
   marclaporte: we love lphuberdeau
   lphuberdeau: marc, where can I get the apache error log?
   MatWho: this project has no errors - so we don't have a log
   lphuberdeau: hmmm.. thumb is not even supposed to worth with file galleries... not a bug, missing feature
   <br> sadly, I don't guess apache's errors from a generic 500 screen
   SEWilco2: No thumbs on file galleries, but a slide show?  And thumbs on image gal without slide shows.
   <br> This page is not fully loading.  Maybe the new server has a problem with the video?  http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWiki+2.0&amp;highlight=categorized
   -: marclaporte hunts for error log
   SEWilco2: Of course, right after I sent the comment the page completed loading...but there's an empty space where video should be.
   lphuberdeau: marc, want me to add file gallery support in the thumb plugin?
   marclaporte: yes, please
   <br> otherwise, we have to change back to image gallery and it's a pain to coordinate
   <br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : sent in PM and Skype
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   marclaporte: polom tomb!
   <br> <u>tomb</u>: I am in Paris!
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   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: are you staying there? or planning a move?
   marclaporte: <u>MatWho</u>: Thanks for your help on IE6 stuff :-)
   MatWho: no prob
   marclaporte: here for a few days more
   <br> then, London, probably
   <br> also possibilities for Rome, Portugal
   MatWho: :)
   marclaporte: and for sure Strasbourg to see Regis
   <br> For now, I need to treat a huge backlog of work
   <br> many things need to be done for the end of December
   rpg: I was wondering --- does tw have an equivalent of soft links so that we could always have a wiki link to "NextMeetingMinutes" that would point to different wiki pages as time goes by?
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : I found it
   <br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: it's a perm problem
   <br> my server doesn't like [2008-12-04 08:12:51]: error: file is writable by others: (tiki-list_file_gallery.php)
   <br> fixperms should fix
   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: Paris to Lisbon 175 EUR return
   marclaporte: not bad!
   <br> Are there any dates that are better than others?
   MatWho: look at eayjet.com tell me if you want a lift from the airport!
   marclaporte: 10-4
   MatWho: easyjet.com
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : I am running setup.sh
   <br> fixed
   <br> <u>ricks99</u>: : you are now admin on ui
   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: any dates are fine
   ricks99: me as admin? asking for trouble....
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   SEWilco2: In 2.2 I created Group "Approver" which includes Editor permissions.  It shows it has "tiki_p_rename" (labeled "Inherited") but Editors doesn't have that permission.
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   SEWilco2: What does the "Inherited" label mean when it is in a tan box and doesn't say where permission is inherited from?
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   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15895 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_thumb.php: [MOD] Adding support for file galleries in the thumbnail plugin
   marclaporte: <u>SEWilco2</u>: check group inclusions
   SEWilco2: <u>marclaporte</u>: I only defined "Editors" to be included in "Approvers".  Oddly, in the list of groups it lists that relationship but not the inheritance of the other groups.
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   lq_836: hi
   <br> any body help me to inSTALL TikiWiki on Windows 2003 server with IIS
   lphuberdeau: <u>marclaporte</u>: annotation and thumbnail fixes were pushed to ui.tw.o
   SEWilco2: I'm not seeing "inheritance" options in 2.2 Group creation, only an "include" option.
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : tks
   <br> <u>SEWilco</u>: 2: that would be it
   <br> <u>lq_836</u>: : sorry, I don't know about that
   <br> <u>lq_836</u>: : do you get any error messages?
   <br> <u>lq_836</u>: : is php &amp; mySQL installed already?
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15896 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 15891 to 15895
   lphuberdeau: marc, did you make tests on the forumui page?
   lq_836: I tried to follow the steps mentioned in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Windows+IIS+Install&amp;bl=y but I could not found any mentioned lines in new version TikiWiki 2.2
   lphuberdeau: instructions are the same as 2.0
   <br> which was very similar to 1.9 anyway
   lq_836: when I browse the URL it displays main page
   <br> Yes PHP and mySQL is installed and working, I also created a database in mysql
   <br> when I browse the TikiWiki URL (hosted on IIS, PHP ISAPI is already configured)
   <br> when I hit the page it displays the main page with "TikiWiki could not find your local.php file.  This is normal for a brand new TikiWiki installation.  Run the TikiWiki installer (tiki-install.php) to create and add information to your db/local.php file. This file contains the information (username/password/database name/etc) to connect to a database.  Please see the documentation for more information.  " messag
   <br> but when I click on "tiki-install.php" it displays blank PHP page
   lphuberdeau: I get 500 again
   lq_836: can you please help me to sort out the issue, or to check the error log?
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: maybe when TRIM updates, perms are changed
   <br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : run setup.sh
   lphuberdeau: lq_836, can't help on IIS
   SEWilco2: My group "Editors" has permission tiki_p_rename greyed out with a blue "Admin" box on the far right.  Why? Editors does not inherit from Admin and does not say "inherited from Admin".
   marclaporte: <u>lq_836</u>: : blank page hint could be in error log
   lq_836: hmm, what is alternative? is Apache?
   marclaporte: <u>lq_836</u>: : yes, Apache
   <br> You can also try manual install
   SEWilco2: Editors does have tiki_p_minor labeled as "inherited from Registered" followed by an "Admin" box.  I don't understand the permission relationships.
   marclaporte: 1- make db/local.php manually and 2: populate mysql with phpmyadmin or something
   lq_836: actually I have multiple applications installed on my web server and I was willing to stick with existing infrastructure instead of increasing administrative efforts for multiple servers etc...
   <br> how can I enable error log to resolve the issues, can you please help me?
   SEWilco2: The admin list of all groups does not mention that any groups include other groups, other than my newly created "Approvers" including "Editors".
   lq_836: If someone of you guys help me to fix the issue, then I can promise to contribute to release TikiWiki installation document for Windows with IIS.
   <br> I am sure it is not too much hard to deploy on IIS
   marclaporte: <u>lq_836</u>:  I can try to help you with the Tiki aspect but I have no idea on how activate things such as error logs, on IIS.
   <br> <u>lq_836</u>: : maye you should try installing something like http://www.wampserver.com/ first and isolate the problem
   <br> installing Tiki on WAMP should be trivial and you can try with IIS after
   <br> lphuberdeau : [2008-12-04 09:11:11]: error: file is writable by others: (/home/coe/public_html/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php
   <br> so TRIM changes the perms and causes this issue
   <br> strange because SVN up doesn't change perms I think
   lq_836: actually it is required to enable error logging in PHP, let me google to enable PHP error log
   marclaporte: <u>MatWho</u>:  I am planning multi-destination trip. Do you recommend another site?  Or I just buy many tickets from here?  I don't see multi-city option on Easyjet.com
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   marclaporte: <u>lq_836</u>: I will hold you up to your promise :-)
   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: hold on checking ..
   marclaporte: Paris-&gt;London 35 Euros!!!
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   MatWho: :)
   lq_836: I will, however it's deffinetly conditional to my success with IIS :)
   lphuberdeau: <u>marclaporte</u>: can't find information about tags and the rest of the stuff on my plate
   marclaporte: <u>lph</u>: can I call you?
   <br> tags?
   lphuberdeau: don,t know, you mentionned that before
   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: with easyjet their price is the same for a return or one-way so just book the legs you need on the easyjet web site
   lphuberdeau: but yes, you can call
   porsh_aka_shishi: Hello I wish to commit the code of a wikiplugin ANNOTATION to dev......I want your help
   <br> ppresently I have an account at tikiwik.org, sourceforge.net
   lphuberdeau: got commit access yet?
   <br> how many code changes were made?
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   porsh_aka_shishi: how to get it........I went through http://dev.tikiwiki.org/commit .........bu couldn't get much help
   -: marclaporte looks forward to dogfooding porsh_aka_shishi's creation
   porsh_aka_shishi: the whole code for wikplugin ANNOTATION is almost written
   <br> how to get commit access
   <br> I have also registered for svn commit mailing list
   marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access
   <br> what is your SourceForge login?
   <br> <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: : what do you think of the 3 rules?
   lphuberdeau: is it backwards compatible?
   MatWho: It looks like we need to welcome a new committer to Tiki - Hooray :) Hi there porsh_aka_shishi
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>marclaporte</u>: sourceforge login name: porsh
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   porsh_aka_shishi: marclaporte:the 3 rules are simply awesome. I respect them and would follow them :)
   marclaporte: :-)
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: what do you mean by backwards comptible.....please explain in a bit detail
   <br> <u>MatWho</u>: thnq :)
   SEWilco2: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: Are you aware there is already a plugin called ANNOTATION?
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   marclaporte: https://sourceforge.net/users/porsh/
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   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>SEWilco2</u>: lphuberdeau  wrote the initial ANNOTATION plugin. Am not sure whether it is being used or not
   mib_32wx6s: hello
   <br> hi i need help with tikiwiki 2.2
   SEWilco2: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: I think ANNOTATION is used on some *.tikiwiki.org sites.  That's what is meant where it refers to "this site".
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>SEWilco2</u>: Can you provide me with a link to a page where its being presently used
   SEWilco2: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: Does your ANNOTATION behave the same as the existing one when given the old parameters?  That's what lphuberdeau meant by "backwards compatible".
   mib_32wx6s: does anyone know how to fix page can not be displayed after creating a new page in wiki?
   ricks99: @mib_32wx6s: r u getting an error? do u have permission to create/view the page?
   lphuberdeau: old version of annotation was released, thus is used
   mib_32wx6s: yes I am the admin
   <br> when I hit the back button the page was created
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   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>marclaporte</u>: So now I am part of  TikiWiki CMS/Groupware Community at Sourceforge. thnq :)
   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=29&amp;display
   ricks99: r u using the "search engine friendly url" option?
   mib_32wx6s: but everytime you create or update the wiki it goes to page can not be displayed and I have to hit the back button
   porsh_aka_shishi: What should I do now to upload the code to the trunk?
   mib_32wx6s: "search engine friendly" was that for me if it was then yes
   ricks99: @mib_32wx6s: did u remember to enable the .htaccess file (requried for sefurl), too?
   mib_32wx6s: enable it under where
   ricks99: in ur file directory. pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/rewrite+rules
   MatWho: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: do you want some help with svn?
   porsh_aka_shishi: marclaporte, lphuberdeau : the new user interface is simply rocking
   SEWilco2: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: See http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginAnnotation
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>MatWho</u>: I just want to upload my code for wikiplugin annotation...... i have accounts at tikiwiki.org,sourceforge.net, joined the svn commit mailing list, downloaded subversion......what should I do next?
   <br> I went through http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit , so I know it has to committed to dev trunck branch
   mib_32wx6s: do i remane _htaccess in apache or the wiki file
   lphuberdeau: porsh, I would commit it to an experimental branch first
   <br> you forked the code a long time ago and getting it to work might not be about copying files
   ricks99: @mib_32wx6x: it is a file on your apache server. pls see this known issue: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1963&amp;trackerId=5&amp;show=view
   lphuberdeau: I can create the branch for you if you're on windows
   porsh_aka_shishi: I am on linux
   <br> ubuntu 8.04
   lphuberdeau: ok, see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SvnTips
   <br> there is a section on experimental branches
   porsh_aka_shishi: ok
   lphuberdeau: I need to go offline for around 15 minutes
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   lq_836: hi marclaporte
   <br> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11)
   <br> do you have any idea about?
   <br> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11) in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php on line 15
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   lq_836: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11) in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php on line 15
   <br> any idea about this error, trying from IIS, PHP and mysql
   marclaporte: porsh_aka_shishi : &amp; all  : annotations plugin used in production : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/Forums
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   marclaporte: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: : did you sort out the licenses?
   MatWho: <u>marclaporte</u>: I am helping him get the branch set up
   marclaporte: thanks!
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>marclaporte</u>: I don't there should be any problem with me using the the two code snippets....as the author has clearly permitted to use them anywhere
   <br> one of the code has also LGPL licence
   <br> the other has no associated license...and can be used till I mention the credit notice he told
   marclaporte: yes, I understand
   <br> but we need something more clear
   porsh_aka_shishi: So what should I do?
   marclaporte: He should pick among a major license the one which corresponds to his wishes
   <br> Are you in email contact with author?
   porsh_aka_shishi: no
   <br> So you believe he should take a license for his other code?......One already has LGPL license which as you said is perfect
   marclaporte: yes, it would make things better/clearer
   <br> imagine if a company asks me what the license of TikiWiki is
   <br> and I say, well, it's mostly LGPL, but there is a part which ...
   porsh_aka_shishi: but the thing is the other code has no license..its just for free use by anyone
   <br> Still I will email him asking him to get a license preferably LGPL for the other code
   <br> but what if he doesn't get it?
   marclaporte: I will send you email template
   porsh_aka_shishi: thanks :)
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 15897 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]gal: good pagination if find not empty + clear find needs to keep param as galleryId+ use find.tpl
   Caarrie: any comments or requests as to what else Tikiwiki|bot can do?
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   SEWilco2: How do I clear text wrapping around an image?  My tall image is stabbing the following section and I want to make next section appear after end of image.
   Caarrie: <u>luciash</u>: you around?
   marclaporte: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: : you have mail
   porsh_aka_shishi: yeah I got it
   marclaporte: most of the time, people say yes to dual license
   <br> or they don't answer
   <br> if email doesn't work, hunting them on IRC can :-)
   lphuberdeau: what's the other licence?
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   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>marclaporte</u>: So should I wait for him to response before committing the code?
   <br> *respond
   marclaporte: no, commit early
   luciash: re
   <br> <u>Caarrie</u>: yup ?
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   Caarrie: you have any suggestions for more features for Tikiwiki|bot ;)
   luciash: <u>SEWilco2</u>: put it in class="clearfix"
   <br> <u>Caarrie</u>: no idea, you can learn from what former tikibot did at tw.o
   Caarrie: maybe
   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: OK, I think there's a DIV plugin for that.
   Caarrie: link?
   luciash: http://tikiwiki.org/tikibot
   -: Caarrie looks
   luciash: &gt;two tikibot
   Sug4r: http://tikiwiki.org/tikibot
   luciash: :)
   <br> but then what will Sug4r do ? :-p
   Caarrie: hehe no idea ;)
   luciash: it can do different tricks ;)
   amette: &gt;roulette
   Sug4r: *click*
   amette: puh
   <br> that's Sug4r's killer-feature ;)
   SEWilco2: Well, just don't load any ammo before it pulls that trigger.
   Caarrie: well off hand i know i can add a google search no problem ;)
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   Caarrie: also a !learn script i can do [as i have one already] if you want one ;)
   <br> the talk on channel i can do too :P
   -: Caarrie goes about adding scripts to do the above if no one complains
   luciash: <u>amette</u>: *g*, your favorite one :)
   Caarrie: which?
   luciash: &gt;g tikiwiki
   Sug4r: Search took 0.229324 seconds: info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : HomePage: &lt;http://tikiwiki.org/&gt;; tw.o : TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : Home: &lt;http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php&gt;; TikiWiki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikiWiki&gt;; SourceForge.net: TikiWiki CMS/Groupware: &lt;http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki&gt;; TikiWiki for Education : HomePage: (2 more messages)
   luciash: i mean the roulette though
   <br> this was google search
   <br> <u>Caarrie</u>: look for what Sug4r cannot do ;)
   <br> &gt;list
   Sug4r: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, Config, Factoids, Filter, Fun, Google, Lookup, Misc, Owner, Seen, Services, and User
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   Caarrie: i am first looking for scripts i have already ;)
   luciash: &gt;list Misc
   Sug4r: action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version
   amette: <u>luciash</u>: yup :)
   luciash: etc. ;)
   <br> <u>Caarrie</u>: you can query Sug4r in private msg
   Caarrie: ok
   SEWilco2: &gt;g g
   Sug4r: Search took 0.175964 seconds: Gmail: Email from Google: &lt;http://mail.google.com/&gt;; G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G&gt;; g -force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force&gt;; MTA NYC Transit Subway Line Information: &lt;http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/gline.htm&gt;; G .Loomis Home Page: &lt;http://www.gloomis.com/&gt;; Type G Electric (2 more messages)
   luciash: &gt;list alias
   Sug4r: about, add, am, any, are, bug, can, devtwo, doctwo, enlight, g, googldev, googldoc, googltwo, googlwiki, greet, h3110, have, helloya, help?, hey, hey,, how, hug, ideas?, infotwo, is, item, lock, luckydev, luckydoc, luckytwo, luckywiki, pingy, polom, pong, remove, s4y, sug4r, talk, teach, ti, two, unlock, wassup, what, when, which, whisper, who, whois, why, wish, and you
   SEWilco2: &gt;g what Sug4r cannot do ;)
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   Sug4r: Search took 0.236539 seconds: MySpace.com - Br0wn Sug4r - 16 - Female - Constanta - www.myspace ...: &lt;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendid=102730376&gt;; MySpaceTV Videos: -[] + SUG4R -G00N+ []- Video Channel: &lt;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&amp;ChannelID=205116860&gt;; Application: Sug4r - DENIED: (3 more messages)
   Caarrie: opps
   SEWilco2: There, as requested I searched for what Sug4r cannot do.
   luciash: LOL
   <br> <u>Sug4r</u>: is another bot needed in this channel ? what do you think ?
   Sug4r: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
   luciash: yea, another shiny ass :D
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   luciash: metal ass :-p
   SEWilco2: &gt;enlight Tikibot
   Sug4r: (enlight &lt;an alias, 2 arguments&gt;) -- Alias for &lt;&lt;say $1: [whatis $2]&gt;&gt;
   Caarrie: !google tikiwiki
   Tikiwiki|bot: Sorry, no search results were found.
   Caarrie: :(
   luciash: &gt;enlight SEWilco2 tikibot
   Sug4r: <u>Error</u>: No factoid matches that key.
   SEWilco2: Aww, Sug4r can't teach Tikibot.
   -: Caarrie does not know what is up with that script
   luciash: &gt;enlight SEWilco2 Sug4r
   Sug4r: <u>SEWilco2</u>: 'Sug4r' could be a male reincarnation of H0ney
   SEWilco2: &gt;polom
   Sug4r: polom :)
   Caarrie: *spin the bottle*
   Tikiwiki|bot: Caarrie spins the bottle .....
   <br> Where it will point nobody knows ....
   <br> Round and round it goes .....
   <br> Round and round it goes .....
   <br> and it slows and comes to a stop ...
   <br> pointing at ..... grobda24!!!!
   <br> Now Caarrie you must hugs grobda24!!!
   Caarrie: O
   <br> :O
   <br> :P
   luciash: ugh :-p
   -: Caarrie pokes amette
   amette: ouch
   SEWilco2: &gt;*spin the bottle*
   Tikiwiki|bot: SEWilco2 spins the bottle .....
   Caarrie: like that script? ;)
   Tikiwiki|bot: Where it will point nobody knows ....
   <br> Round and round it goes .....
   <br> Round and round it goes .....
   <br> and it slows and comes to a stop ...
   <br> pointing at ..... porsh_aka_shishi!!!!
   <br> Now SEWilco2 you must kiss porsh_aka_shishi!!!
   amette: a bit noisy, but nice
   Caarrie: i can take a few lines out
   amette: &gt;roulette
   Sug4r: *click*
   amette: is so straight-forward :)
   SEWilco2: &gt;g *spin the bottle*
   Tikiwiki|bot: SEWilco2 spins the bottle .....
   <br> Where it will point nobody knows ....
   Sug4r: Search took 0.374007 seconds: eSPIN-the- Bottle — teen chat, fun quizzes, good times!: &lt;http://www.espin.com/&gt;; Spin the bottle - Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia: &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_the_bottle&gt;; Spin the Bottle (Angel ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_the_Bottle_(Angel_episode)&gt;; Spin the Bottle | Media Education Foundation: (2 more messages)
   Tikiwiki|bot: Round and round it goes .....
   <br> Round and round it goes .....
   <br> and it slows and comes to a stop ...
   <br> pointing at ..... CIA-55!!!!
   amette: yeh, probably taking a couple of lines out makes sense
   Tikiwiki|bot: Now SEWilco2 you must hugs CIA-55!!!
   <br> Sug4r spins the bottle .....
   <br> Where it will point nobody knows ....
   Caarrie: *spin the bottle*
   Tikiwiki|bot: Round and round it goes ..and it slows and comes to a stop ...
   <br> pointing at ..... amette!!!!
   <br> Now Sug4r you must kiss the mouth of amette!!!
   <br> Caarrie spins the bottle .....
   <br> Where it will point nobody knows ....
   <br> Round and round it goes ..and it slows and comes to a stop ...
   <br> pointing at ..... marclaporte!!!!
   <br> Now Caarrie you must explain what you feel for marclaporte!!!
   Caarrie: i took 2 out :P
   <br> !say help me i am trapped in a bot's body
   <br> :(
   <br> !say #tikiwiki help me i am trapped in a bot's body
   -: Caarrie pokes Tikiwiki|bot
   Tikiwiki|bot: help me i am trapped in a bot's body
   Caarrie: ./msg Tikiwiki|bot !say #tikiwiki help me i am trapped in a bot's body
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   Caarrie: !quote
   Tikiwiki|bot: ./quoteittw.data does not exist. You'll need to add quotes to the database first by typing !addquote &lt;a quote&gt;
   Caarrie: !addquote &lt;Tikiwiki|bot&gt; help me i am trapped in a bot's body
   <br> !quote
   Tikiwiki|bot: Random quote on the way
   <br> &lt;Tikiwiki|bot&gt; help me i am trapped in a bot's body
   SEWilco2: Having trouble finding a clear incantation.  This doesn't wait until image ends: {TAG(tag=BR, class="clearfix")}{TAG}
   <br> I do see .clearfix in CSS.
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   luciash: <u>SEWilco2</u>: wrap a div around the image
   <br> <u>SEWilco2</u>: or does the img syntax allow class ?
   <br> or just put {TAG(tag=div, style="clear: both")}{TAG} after the image
   <br> or put %clear% there and set the dynamic variable to &lt;br style="clear: both" /&gt;
   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: I'll try that
   luciash: next time you only use %clear% again
   SEWilco2: The clear:both did the trick.  My .clearfix does have that defined, but didn't seem to be working.
   luciash: the most clear way would be class="clearfix" directly on the image though
   Caarrie: !google tikiwiki
   Tikiwiki|bot: info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Grou @ http://tikiwiki.org/ | tw.o : TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : Home @ http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php | TikiWiki - Wikipedia, the free encyclope @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikiWiki | info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Grou @ http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=homepage
   SEWilco2: Yea, this is great Grou ware.
   Caarrie: !learn Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution
   luciash: &gt;googldoc clearfix
   Sug4r: No matches found (Search took 0.613648 seconds)
   luciash: &gt;googldoc syntax
   Sug4r: Search took 0.203552 seconds: doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Text: &lt;http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=wiki-syntax+text&gt;; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Tables: &lt;http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Tables&amp;bl=y&gt;; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Images: &lt;http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki- (3 more messages)
   luciash: &gt;more
   Sug4r: Syntax+Images&amp;bl=y&gt;; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Lists: &lt;http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Lists&gt;; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Advanced Wiki Syntax usage ...: &lt;http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Advanced%20Wiki%20Syntax%20usage%20examples&amp;structure=Documentation&gt;; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Lists: (2 more messages)
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   luciash: <u>SEWilco2</u>: according to wiki help you can use class on img syntax
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   luciash: <u>SEWilco2</u>: {img src=http://example.com/foo.jpg width=200 height=100 align=center imalign=right link=http://www.yahoo.com title='Yahoo Website' rel='shadowbox[gallery];type=img' desc=foo alt=txt usemap=name class=xyz}
   Caarrie: !learn Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution
   <br> !learn add Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution
   Tikiwiki|bot: Difinition added
   Caarrie: ?? tikiwiki
   Tikiwiki|bot: tikiwiki: is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution
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   marclaporte: luci now admin on ui.tw.o
   luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: tks
   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind.  Actually, I'll update the WikiSyntax for Images page.
   luciash: but i'd prefer admin on doc.tw.o more ;) hint hint, amette :-p
   <br> <u>SEWilco2</u>: great, thanks
   Caarrie: anyone can now teach Tikiwiki|bot ;) via !learn add and recall the entry via ?? &lt;keyword&gt;
   marclaporte: hahahah
   luciash: <u>Sug4r</u>: learn Tikiwiki|bot as a bot trying to be more clever than Sug4r
   Sug4r: OK, here we go!
   -: Caarrie laughs
   luciash: <u>Sug4r</u>: whatis Tikiwiki|bot
   Sug4r: 'Tikiwiki|bot' could be a bot trying to be more clever than Sug4r
   luciash: :D
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   Tikiwiki|bot: hey i can be clever, i can even be smart if i take time
   Caarrie: do we have a seen &lt;who&gt; script in this channel?
   luciash: &gt;when amette
   Sug4r: Sure
   luciash: *g*
   Caarrie: sure ?? what type of reply is that???
   luciash: &gt;last --from amette
   Sug4r: [20:24:11] &lt;amette&gt; yeh, probably taking a couple of lines out makes sense
   luciash: Sug4r has his own brain problems sometimes ;)
   <br> &gt;last --from Caarrie
   Sug4r: [20:51:18] &lt;Caarrie&gt; sure ?? what type of reply is that???
   luciash: is that enough for seen ?
   -: Caarrie does not think so
   luciash: i can make an alias for it even ;)
   <br> &gt;seen
   Sug4r: (seen [&lt;channel&gt;] &lt;nick&gt;) -- Returns the last time &lt;nick&gt; was seen and what &lt;nick&gt; was last seen saying. &lt;channel&gt; is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
   luciash: &gt;seen Caarrie
   Sug4r: Caarrie was last seen in #tikiwiki 20 seconds ago saying: * Caarrie does not think so
   luciash: *g*
   Caarrie: !seen luciash
   luciash: <u>Sug4r</u>: hey, nobody beats you up ;)
   Sug4r: You're kidding, right?
   Caarrie: !seen Caarrie
   -: luciash loves bots which try to make you feel stupid
   Caarrie: hehe
   SEWilco2: Does one of the bots respond to: Is anyone here? Is anyone on?
   Caarrie: !seen luciash
   <br> i could make a reply to that
   <br> !seen dogs
   SEWilco2: What is a good reply to "Can I ask a question?" and "I have a question" and "I have a problem"
   Caarrie: just ask and wait for a reply?
   SEWilco2: Maybe a good reply is "Just ask, don't ask to ask"
   Caarrie: ok lets see if i can make the script work ;)
   -: SEWilco2 waits for luci to finish editing a page.  Ping luciash
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: In which experimental branch directory at https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/experimental/ should I commit?
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   -: Caarrie is not the best script writer :P
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   Caarrie: can i ask a question?
   <br> "can i ask a question?"
   <br> "can i ask a question?"
   <br> :(
   porsh_aka_shishi: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: do I need to to create a separate experimental branch directory at https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/experimental/ ?
   -: Caarrie looks at her script again
   Caarrie: question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc
   Caarrie: that is not right :P
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   Caarrie: question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   SEWilco2: Yeah, it's not specifying if it's English Empire or British Empire.
   luciash: <u>SEWilco2</u>: only if you ask Sug4r directly
   Caarrie: <u>SEWilco2</u>: that good?
   SEWilco2: Can I ask a question?
   luciash: <u>Sug4r</u>: Is anyone here? Is anyone on?
   Sug4r: No idea.
   Caarrie: i dont have it fully working so far ;)
   <br> just the text so far
   SEWilco2: question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   Caarrie: i have a question
   <br> "i have a question"
   -: Caarrie looks at it again
   luciash: <u>Caarrie</u>: most common is "may i ask a question?"
   <br> imho
   Caarrie: i am working on it luciash ;)
   luciash: so "question" or "ask"
   Caarrie: i have a question
   <br> "may i ask a question?"
   -: Caarrie kicks Tikiwiki|bot
   Caarrie: question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
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   Caarrie: *i have a question*
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   -: Caarrie is confused
   Caarrie: i have a question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   Caarrie: :D
   <br> may i ask a question
   <br> may i ask a question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   Caarrie: may i ask a question?
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   Caarrie: question
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
   Caarrie: that good for now?
   <br> any more to add?
   <br> change?
   <br> tw
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
   Caarrie: what is tw
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
   Caarrie: what is tw.o
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.
   <br> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
   Caarrie: hehe
   <br> what is tw.o
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.
   <br> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
   Caarrie: tw.o
   Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.
   -: Caarrie pokes luciash
   SEWilco2: testing mention of doc.tw.o within a sentence
   <br> Good, no response.
   Caarrie: doc.tw.o is not in the script ;)
   <br> should i add it?
   SEWilco2: <u>Caarrie</u>: Not unless there's something worth saying.
   Caarrie: ok ;)
   <br> does the "3 rules" have a bot that replys?
   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: In case you're interested I created a new section: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Images&amp;bl=n&amp;saved_msg=y#Clearing_text_wrapping
   <br> Ick, that's an ugly URL.
   <br> Hmm, I didn't find the right incantation for hiding HTML within a code block.
   luciash: &gt;whatis 3rules
   Sug4r: '3rules' could be 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules )
   Caarrie: ok ;)
   SEWilco2: What's WikiSyntax which displays &lt;BR&gt; so it shows as text instead of browser swallowing it?
   luciash: ~np~&lt;br /&gt;~/np~
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   marclaporte: <u>porsh_aka_shishi</u>: : yes, you need to create a new experimental branch but lphuberdeau would know the details
   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: The browser sees &lt;BR&gt; and gobbles that up.
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   SEWilco2: <u>porsch_aka_shishi</u>: Maybe you should rename ANNOTATE if it does something different from the existing plugin
   luciash: also if you want to clear after some longer text flowing around an image you can wrap the image an the text in a {DIV(class="clearfix")}...{DIV} and it will clear after
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   SEWilco2: <u>luciash</u>: In Preview &lt;br&gt; was invisible but it is visible if the page is saved.  Hmm.
   luciash: there are some inconsistency bugs in preview &lt;&gt; after save
   <br> :(
   <br> they're minor but can be annoying
   SEWilco2: They're not minor when you're trying to edit with/of/against them.
   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15898 /branches/experimental/annotation/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 15897
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   Caarrie: !seen Caarrie
   <br> !seen luciash
   <br> !lastspoke Caarrie
   <br> !lastspoke Caarrie
   <br> .lastspoke Caarrie
   Tikiwiki|bot: Caarrie last uttered a word on #tikiwiki less than a minute ago.
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   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by pkdille :: r 15899 /trunk/templates/ (2 files): [MOD] indenting code - no changes
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   Tikiwiki|bot: SVN:  Commit by pkdille :: r 15900 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] &amp; [KIL] replace pagination.php/tpl with pagination_links in 2 grids. Remove pagination.php/tpl which is no more used
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   Caarrie: signing in at info.tw.org and i get
   <br> Error
   <br> XMLRPC Error: 5 - Didn't receive 200 OK from remote server. (HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error)
   <br> ?
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   Caarrie: .seen frankP*
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   Caarrie: !lastspoke marclaporte
   <br> .lastspoke marclaporte
   Tikiwiki|bot: marclaporte last uttered a word on #tikiwiki 35 minutes ago.
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   Caarrie: !tikiwikibugs
   Tikiwiki|bot: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2193 - Newsletter plain text is lost - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&amp;itemId=2193
   <br> Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2194 - catorphan plugin only seems to work with wiki pages?? - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&amp;itemId=2194
   <br> Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2195 - Character substitutions in page names, search engine, usernames, etc. - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&amp;itemId=2195
   Caarrie: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot has been updated ;) to include some of the "major" commands for the bot
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