#tikiwiki 2008-12-11,Thu

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marclaporte	polom lphuberdeau: : I am getting ISE 500 on UI.tw.o maybe a setup.sh? I am running now	[00:35]
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chibaguy_	chibaguy_ wishes irc from this connection wasn't so flaky.	[01:01]
lphuberdeau	I made an update a few hours ago did not touch it since	[01:02]
chibaguy_	ui.tw.o is ok for me.	[01:05]
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marclaporte	works fine after setup.sh	[01:11]
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chibaguy	rrr....anything to do with categories on my experimental ui-revamp test site shows a white page. I guess it's a local quirk since categories at ui.tw.o are working ok	[02:41]
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uSlacker	yo, marc	[03:59]
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SEWilco	Having trouble with podcast configuration. Configure as /somepath/podcasts/ and I can upload, but can't download because /somepath is not a valid URL component. If I configure podcast directory as /podcasts/ then the web browser can see the files but I can't upload because /podcasts is not in the filesystem.	[06:15]
	Heh. And "../podcasts/" works.	[06:24]
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joomlagate	hi, I am a newbie of Tikiwiki, Need some help on Rewrite Rules, but the official page can't open My problem is: I installed Tikiwiki in a subdirectory /wiki Then I enabled SEF, but it can't work I searched the official Docs website on the Rewrite Rules page those code about how to config .htaccess for subdirectory was lost I can't got my answer from docs.tikiwiki.org Anyone here know the Rewrite rules for subdirectory? Could you please give me a copy of that rules ? Thanks in advance. hello, can anyone help me?	[08:39]
tomb	joomlagate, to activate rewrite rules you need to renamethe file _htaccess in .htaccess	[08:43]
joomlagate	I had did that thank you tomb my problem is, the tiki was installed in a subdirectory but the default .htaccess rules was for root directory installation I had read this page: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Rewrite+Rules but the part about subdirectory was lost There show me Not Found that is to say, the official website has met some problem and can't retrieve those code so I have to ask someone else who know the rules for subdirectory If someone come here later can help me, please send a copy of that .htaccess file to my email : joomlagate@gmail.com , thank you!	[08:44]
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hhh	hi there! i would like to know, where i can see the total number of wiki pages and total number of wiki pages in a certain category... it must be somewhere, but... it seems i am confused by the menu again. Tiki is 1.9.9 or 1.10. i think	[09:46]
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chibaguy	hhh, if you turn on Stats, you can see the total number of wiki pages. I don't know about per-category though.	[11:32]
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hhh	is that a tiki feature or a module? ahhh! there is a menu selection: statistics	[11:41]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by niclone :: r 15990 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] newsletters: added support for attached files.	[12:34]
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joomlagate	chibaguy ? are you Gary on Tikiwiki forum ?	[12:40]
chibaguy	Hi joomlagate, yes, that's me.	[12:41]
joomlagate	nice to meet you here this is my first time use IRC for Tikiwiki Can you see messages I had posted here 4 hours ago? I am looking for the .htaccess rules for a Tikiwiki installed in a subdirectory, I had read the official site page, but that page was damaged, show NO code	[12:42]
chibaguy	Yes, doc.tikiwiki.org was moved to a new server. Maybe some things didn't survive the move. (or paths broken) I saw your question. But don't exactly understand. I have Tikiwiki installations in subdirectories, and using .htaccess for simpler urls works fine.	[12:45]
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joomlagate	oh, very sad I enabled SEF at backend, the rename _htaesss to .htaccess but the URL still has index.php? in it don't know why	[12:47]
chibaguy	Yes, Tikiwiki will still use the long urls internally. The difference is that you or others can use the short form and these will be converted.	[12:48]
joomlagate	I want to see some URL like: http://localhost/wiki/mypage	[12:49]
chibaguy	The url in the address bar won't change to that automatically, but you can write such a url and it will work.	[12:49]
joomlagate	Yes !	[12:51]
chibaguy	In other words, I can tell you to go to http://zukakakina.com/Kubrick, and that url will work.	[12:51]
joomlagate	I just tested , the short URL can work ! oh, my God !	[12:51]
chibaguy	chibaguy applauds.	[12:51]
joomlagate	why the URL in the address bar can't changed automatically ?	[12:51]
chibaguy	Well, it just isn't designed to do that. I suppose that would be a much larger coding challenge. Maybe in Tikiwiki 4 or 5. ;-)	[12:52]
joomlagate	I had seen a post on Tikiwiki forum that , someone said, a CMS without SEF is NOT a CMS, low lol Since the short URL can work now, why not make it as the standard URL in the address bar ? I think the Tikiwiki core team should list this task as the top one	[12:52]
chibaguy	The .htaccess method doesn't actually change Tikiwiki's urls, it just rewrites them when the server receives a request. I don't know how high a priority SEF urls have been; they are more important to people who depend on search engines for site visibility, etc. For Tikiwiki users who serve an organization or something, where members know about the site already, it isn't so important.	[12:56]
lphuberdeau	it's a huge task and we don't have enough hands typing to do it, how about you join and help?	[12:58]
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liuhualh	hi	[13:00]
joomlagate	oh I can only help on Translation I know nothing about php and MySAL MySQL	[13:01]
lphuberdeau	not required for SEF thing, only template manipulation... loads of it	[13:02]
joomlagate	sometime later, I will submit my Chinese translation to Tikiwiki team	[13:02]
lphuberdeau	nice	[13:02]
joomlagate	You had developed a great software	[13:02]
lphuberdeau	just ask for commit access... we don't accept patches... you need to apply them ;)	[13:02]
liuhualh	does tiwiki has a website for chinese?	[13:03]
joomlagate	I noticed that the official site has a http://chinese.tikiwiki.org page but not been updated for a loooooooong time	[13:03]
lphuberdeau	may be very old	[13:03]
chibaguy	yes, a guy was very enthusiastic for a week or two.... :-)	[13:03]
joomlagate	hehe In fact I only use the WIKI feature of Tikiwiki	[13:04]
chibaguy	It would be great if a group of people could maintain a Chinese Tikiwiki site. And grow a community of users.	[13:04]
joomlagate	Can I say something not sounds good for Tiki fans?	[13:05]
lphuberdeau	btw gary, I updated http://ui.tikiwiki.org/Technical+Changes	[13:05]
joomlagate	When I post on the official Tiki forum, I even can't find the Quote button to quote part of post by others ! I think Tiki team should improve that forum more	[13:05]
lphuberdeau	we have a lot of things to improve ;)	[13:06]
joomlagate	As someone had mentioned, why not integrate phpBB forum inside Tikiwiki to save time, and offer a more powerful forum?	[13:06]
Caarrie	i hate phpbb	[13:06]
chibaguy	Yes, previously the replied-to post was quoted automatically, but that changed. I'm not sure why.	[13:06]
joomlagate	oh I personally love SMF forum program the most, but SMF is not GPL, phpBB is GPL haha	[13:06]
chibaguy	Heh. We prefer to use our own forum. Then syntax, plugins, searches, etc can be the same throughout tiki features. And it is gradually improving.	[13:07]
joomlagate	yes, I agree we must consider the syntax and plugins	[13:07]
lphuberdeau	we can't use GPL code anyway	[13:08]
joomlagate	Ok, I will still support Tikiwiki because I only need the Wiki feature, the forum feature can't affect me, lol	[13:08]
chibaguy	joomlagate, when you are ready to improve Tikiwiki's Chinese translation, I can help submit the file, etc.	[13:09]
joomlagate	no problem, when I find sometime to work on that, I will contact you In fact, I had translated a little Of course, based on the current translation in your download package you can see my translation working at: http://www.joomlagate.com/wiki/ It is not completed yet	[13:09]
ricks99	*rick still cannot perform a new/clean install from trunk svn checkout :(	[13:11]
joomlagate	about 30% was translated Some terms seems too hard to understand, so I need some more time to do this job If you accept my current non-complete translation, I can submit it now	[13:11]
chibaguy	Sure, it's more complete than before, right? ;-) You can email it to me (gary at tikiwiki.org). At any time that you want. It will be helpful to any other Chinese-language users.	[13:13]
joomlagate	OK I will repair some minor error and send it to you soon	[13:16]
chibaguy	Thanks. lphuberdeau, about the Technical+Changes page, that's good to see. I'm interested to see how the page controls can be done with other visual appearances, etc.	[13:17]
lphuberdeau	well, now you can do about anything by changing the template	[13:21]
chibaguy	Yep.	[13:21]
lphuberdeau	I don't know so much about how CSS can change things around	[13:21]
chibaguy	I hope to explore that. btw, with the comments tab at the top, will comments display at the page top, or at the bottom? May seem like a dumb question, but when I moved the page-bar to the top for the Tikipedia theme, the comments moved up too. Which was actually kind of neat.	[13:22]
lphuberdeau	they used to be called from page_bar I'm kind of hoping on some input from the designer on that side if they are tabs, I would expect them to replace the content	[13:24]
chibaguy	right	[13:25]
lphuberdeau	one of the next steps may be to bundle multiple control styles and make it an option in admin	[13:25]
ricks99	q: in the new ui page layout, where will my folksonomy tags appear?	[13:25]
lphuberdeau	like tabs, classic bottom, classic top ask the designer ;)	[13:26]
ricks99	so they will be in a tab? not always visible?	[13:26]
lphuberdeau	I want to remove as many conditionals from those templates as I can... of course, my real objective is to be able to understand them ricks99, I have no idea, they were not part of the mock-up	[13:26]
ricks99	o... the reason i asked, the "most popular tags" module looks like it was enabled.	[13:27]
chibaguy	I don't see tabs displayed anywhere on wiki pages at ui.tw.o...	[13:28]
lphuberdeau	but the point of those changes is to reorganize the code and add consistency how we decide to display each item can still be decided on this, I need to run	[13:28]
chibaguy	ok, see you later. Personally, I think Tiki's wiki pages have been way too cluttered with things, especially at the page top. So I'm happy to see this more systematic approach. I expect there will be enough flexibility for layouts and styles.	[13:30]
	ricks99, I think tabs are working at ui.tw.o but the wiki templates in their current form aren't displaying them. They'd show up if the "tags this page has" module was activiated, I believe. activiated -> activated	[13:38]
ricks99	http://ui.tikiwiki.org/Wiki is tagged with "wiki". where would/should the page's tags appear? in the "tags this page has" module -- not on the actual page? *rick loves tags :)	[13:39]
chibaguy	Could be on the page. Where would you suggest? Between the tabs and the page content?	[13:41]
ricks99	if tags are used to describe the page content (as opposed to the page's type of content) then imho they should be as high on the page as possible, as the tags give users an overview of the page's content...	[13:43]
joomlagate	!help	[13:43]
Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[13:43]
ricks99	but i could also make a case that they should appear in the Actions > Similar > Tags tab theres too much crap at the top of the page already (page id, decription, show/hide meus, etc)	[13:43]
chibaguy	Right, I think a lot was turned on to find places for it, not to be a model of good configuration. :-) The design pretty much has to account for every config option. Even all at once.	[13:45]
ricks99	maybe its time to 'fix' some config options -- maybe there should b more dependencies -- maybe its not necessary to support page ID + description for example:	[13:46]
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ricks99	if using structure, maybe the page ID could b placed within the structure path where we already show the page name this could possible clean up some things	[13:47]
chibaguy	Is there a purpose to display page ID other than for testing or something?	[13:48]
ricks99	i assume there is, otherwise why have the option? (not that i ever use it)	[13:48]
chibaguy	I've used it in urls, to avoid strange strings when the page name is encoded (Japanese), but never actually wanted to display it on the page. I assume it's not actually going to be shown.	[13:49]
ricks99	maybe time to prune out some features...	[13:51]
chibaguy	If you want to use page Id in a url, you need a way to find what a page's ID is, but this could be in the list-pages table. yep, it could be pruned from wiki page display afaik.	[13:54]
ricks99	or a site-wide option: use wiki pagename or pageid.... just saying.... i love tiki's huge number of options, but i also hate tiki's huge number of options	[13:55]
joomlagate	You can enable Show page ID in config then the ID will be shown just on the top of the page	[13:55]
chibaguy	Right, but the question is: is it necessary to show the page ID on a page? What good is that information, actually, to someone reading the page?	[13:56]
ricks99	y, that is my exact point	[13:57]
joomlagate	en, that is right, I disabled too	[13:57]
ricks99	so if 99.99% of users disable the it, is it time to rethink why tiki still supports it? would be gr8 if there was a way to pull stat data from each tiki install... which options were enabled, etc.	[13:58]
chibaguy	But joomlagate, you may use page id in a url, if you want to have a simpler url (when page names are in Chinese, for example).	[13:58]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15991 /trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] calendar : fix display of short events, of events starting before the calendar hour, of all-day events.	[14:04]
joomlagate	oh, yes, I noticed that if I use Chinese pagename, the URL show some unreadable code I think that was utf-8 encoded Chinese characters	[14:11]
chibaguy	Yes, that's right.	[14:12]
joomlagate	how to use ID instead? Do you have a link to related docs?	[14:12]
chibaguy	I was trying to remember the syntax....	[14:13]
joomlagate	hehe	[14:13]
chibaguy	Well, I'll tell you later when I find it or remember it.	[14:14]
joomlagate	OK don't worry it is not so important to me , if compared to SEF URLs, hehe	[14:17]
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joomlagate	I just read this page: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=BatchUserImportAdmin I think that may help me to add batch users by CSV file but, I have a question: if my website continously have new users registered , how can I update the users in Tiki by CSV ?	[14:18]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[14:19]
Caarrie	Caarrie kicks Tikiwiki\|bot	[14:20]
joomlagate	I hope someone can develop an authenticaiton plugin to do this job automatically	[14:20]
chibaguy	If new users are registering, they don't need to be added by CSV file; they already added themselves.	[14:22]
joomlagate	no, I mean, my website don't use Tiki for user management, they register with Joomla instead	[14:23]
Neil_A	Hello all, I can't seem to get the "files" wiki-plugin to work with either 2.0 or 2.2 can anyone else get it to work in 2.x?	[14:23]
joomlagate	So at present, I have to add users manually to Tikiwiki	[14:23]
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chibaguy	I suggest replacing Joomla with Tikiwiki. ;-)	[14:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15993 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Theme-specific template versions for site header. Also CSS file update and search form background image. SVN: Commit by niclone :: r 15992 /trunk/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [MOD] newsletters: check that email seem to be valid before sending it.	[14:25]
ricks99	@joomlagate, need to use some sort of cas system then. there's no (afaik) joomla+tikiwiki users link	[14:25]
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chibaguy	Neil_A, sorry, no definite answer on that. I think maybe there's a problem with that plugin in the recent Tiki versions. oops	[14:29]
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chibaguy	Neil_A, sorry, no definite answer on that. I think maybe there's a problem with that plugin in the recent Tiki versions.	[14:29]
joomlagate	sorry for my delay Maybe you don't know too much about Joomla Joomla 1.5 version has powerful and flexible API	[14:29]
chibaguy	I'm sure there's a lot I don't know about Joomla.	[14:31]
joomlagate	one can develop Authentication plugin for Joomla to synchronize users between Joomla and other php program For example someone had already programmed a plugin for vTigerCRM no, plugin is for Joomla but can login vTigerCRM users to Joomla sorry for my poor English Another example is for DocuWiki	[14:31]
ricks99	blog trackback pings not working in 2.2? I enabled the option on blog: admin, but when creating a new post, there's no place to add trackback url?	[14:32]
Neil_A	Oh dear my site is pretty muched based around that plugin ...looks like I'm staying with 1.9 till I or (someone else) can sort it out. Thanks chibaguy	[14:33]
chibaguy	Tikiwiki's focus has been to provide features, not enable plugging into other software. (an approach that has strengths and weaknesses, of course.)	[14:33]
joomlagate	People just install that plugin to Joomla Then the users registered in Joomla can also login in DocuWiki installed on the same website without need to register again in DocuWiki	[14:33]
chibaguy	Yeah, that's neat. But Tikiwiki has a wiki. So no need for docuwiki.	[14:34]
joomlagate	Don't you think that is very cool ? So I hope someone also develop an Authentication plugin for Joomla to do same job on Tikiwiki	[14:34]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by niclone :: r 15994 /trunk/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [MOD] newsletters: don't send newsletter more than one time to same email address.	[14:35]
chibaguy	That'd be good for Joomla users.	[14:35]
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chibaguy	I think that plugin idea is cool, for sure, but the downside is you get two quite different softwares on the site. The one-time authentication for both is good, but there is the weakness that each, like Joomla and DocuWiki are otherwise dissimilar. TikiWiki's strength is the same gui and useability across all features.	[14:37]
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chibaguy	So each approach has plusses and minuses.	[14:37]
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chibaguy	joomlagate, by the way, I remembered that forum posts can have the replied-to message quoted by default. That's a forum configuration option. But isn't turned on at tikiwiki.org	[14:42]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by niclone :: r 15995 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] newsletters: show errors messages on sent report.	[14:45]
joomlagate	oh IMHO, I think the forum inside Tikiwiki is the worst forum program I had met I have to learn some Wiki syntax to use the forum this is very bad because I don't like wiki syntax I use ONLY WYSIWYG when I use Tikiwiki I hate to learn wiki syntax I think, a WYSIWYG editor can do most job when editing a page in wiki so, why should we spend so much time to learn some NEW rules ? I don't know who created those special syntax for wiki but I think he had did something very bad If he think HTML tags is not safe why not use BBcode ?	[14:45]
chibaguy	Wikis have always had special syntax.	[14:49]
joomlagate	ASAIK, almost all forum programs support BBcode	[14:49]
chibaguy	Does everyone who has wanted to use a wiki already know BBcode?	[14:49]
joomlagate	some guestbook programs also support BBcode	[14:49]
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joomlagate	that means, BBcode has more users thann wiki syntax We can learn and understand BBcode easily I am sure that, many users know how to use BBcod before they become a user of wiki	[14:49]
chibaguy	Well, the people who created wikis haven't been stupid. If they didn't say "Let's just use BBcode", there must have been a reason.	[14:50]
joomlagate	haha	[14:50]
chibaguy	I haven't studied and compared, so will leave it at that.	[14:50]
pkdille	hello	[14:50]
chibaguy	Hi pkdille.	[14:51]
joomlagate	yes I also did not study that so much but to myself	[14:51]
pkdille	joomlagate: so, it seems you have a lot of strong ideas about how the world should turn....	[14:51]
joomlagate	I will still use WYSIWYG	[14:51]
pkdille	that's fine !	[14:51]
joomlagate	haha	[14:51]
Caarrie	chibaguy: how about an option that cant be changed back between tikiwiki or bbcode ;)	[14:51]
joomlagate	I think many users will love WYSIWYG editor	[14:52]
pkdille	hello chibaguy	[14:52]
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pkdille	hello Marc	[14:52]
ricks99	Or a "Use Joomla instead" admin option lol	[14:52]
joomlagate	the wiki creator maybe not stupid, but he also is very great when consider the editor	[14:52]
ricks99	anyone able to use trackback pings on 2.2? I enabled the option, but see no place to enter a url when creating a blog post?	[14:53]
chibaguy	Personally, I really don't like the indirectness when using WYSIWYG. I much prefer to input the exact code I want to use. To me, wiki syntax is not difficult, except in very complex pages such as with large tables.	[14:53]
pkdille	I was really happy to have wysiwyg in tw... but now, after more than 2 years, I'm not so sure it's the right way	[14:55]
chibaguy	joomlagate, that is your opinion, and you have the right to have it. But many, many people happily use wiki syntax also.	[14:55]
Caarrie	i know of another cms that uses the same wysigwg editor and i disabled it ;)	[14:55]
pkdille	IMHO fckeditor is not the problem...others, IMHO, are not much much better	[14:57]
chibaguy	I accept that some users, who are comfortable with WYSIWYG word processes, think wiki syntax is a step backward. So for them, I'm happy TikiWiki has that kind of editor. processes -> processors But in my wikis, I never turn it on and don't miss it.	[14:57]
joomlagate	yes, I also welcome the new feature of WYSIWYG editor I noticed that this feature is a newly added feature in Tikiwiki for me, it is a good news	[14:59]
pkdille	...we did it for you ! ;-)	[14:59]
joomlagate	thanks! what is the version of FCKeditor now integrated inside Tikiwiki ? It seems that it is not the latest version of FCKeditor	[14:59]
pkdille	If you're on 3.0, it is the latest stable version of fck ! Don't remember which version we have in 2.0	[15:01]
joomlagate	3.0 of Tikiwiki ? OK, I will wait	[15:02]
chibaguy	(In the few cases when I had to do a page that was too much labor to do with wiki syntax, I did it first in Dreamweaver and then replaced en masse the html tags with wiki syntax. ;-) )	[15:03]
joomlagate	I tried to see the version, but it seems that you had removed the About button	[15:03]
chibaguy	It's on the Admin General page.	[15:04]
joomlagate	Oh, why not just import HTML page ?	[15:04]
chibaguy	I don't want to maintain an HTML page.	[15:05]
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joomlagate	oh	[15:06]
chibaguy	Creating a large data table with wiki syntax is not so fun, but it's not much trouble making small additions/edits once it's made.	[15:06]
joomlagate	I noticed that below the editor area when editing a wikipage there is an option to Import from HTML page I think you can save your dreamweaver page to HTML, then import	[15:08]
chibaguy	Sure, but I don't want to do it that way.	[15:08]
joomlagate	that is very fast I think so, but never tried that feature	[15:08]
chibaguy	I don't trust Dreamweaver's HTML, for one thing. I just use the basic table creating, etc. And the editor itself is pretty good.	[15:09]
Caarrie	http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_BBCodeParser	[15:09]
joomlagate	oh, understand	[15:09]
chibaguy	Using Dreamweaver as a wysiwyg tool results in html tags being strangely placed, etc. Maybe the finished page looks ok, but underneath it can be ugly.	[15:09]
joomlagate	oh	[15:11]
chibaguy	But it's a good prototyping tool, IMO, if you need to make a complicated table, etc. Smarter people can remember how to put the colspans and so on, but I rely on references and tools. ;-)	[15:11]
joomlagate	hehe, I also use dreamweaver to make Table even the FCKeditor can't do it better	[15:14]
Caarrie	http://www.christian-seiler.de/projekte/php/bbcode/index_en.html	[15:15]
joomlagate	an question about translation: I see an option on i18n : Quantify change size What does this mean?	[15:16]
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chibaguy	Hmm, I don't know.	[15:17]
joomlagate	oh it is located on the Admin -> i18n page	[15:18]
ricks99	@joomlagate: if enabled, it will show the aprox % of translation	[15:18]
joomlagate	tiki-admin.php?page=i18n	[15:18]
ricks99	the "up-to-dateness" of the translation	[15:18]
chibaguy	Ah, so if a page is 30% translated, for example, this is reported...	[15:19]
joomlagate	cool ! understand now ! thank you ricks99	[15:19]
ricks99	note that it works off of byte size, so (imho) not very accruate	[15:20]
joomlagate	I translated as: show the translation progress	[15:20]
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ricks99	no chinese translation for "up-to-dateness" :)	[15:20]
chibaguy	I think we need an English translation for "Quantify change size" ;-)	[15:21]
ricks99	see http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-index.php?page=Benvinguts%20a%20Wiki-Translation as example. note that this calan page is "73%" up to date the problem is, unless the user knows which is the "master" language, the % is usless. is that 73% of the english? of the french? etc both EN and FR are shown as "better"	[15:21]
chibaguy	50% would be a convenient level to pause at.. ...for accurate change size quantities. ;-)	[15:22]
joomlagate	another sentence to be translated : Use login as email I think this should mean: User email as login ? use email as login ? does this mean: users can use email address as their login name ?	[15:23]
ricks99	y. see docs: http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-index.php?page=Benvinguts%20a%20Wiki-Translation oops: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/login+config#Login_Settings	[15:24]
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chibaguy	"Use login as email" LOL. That is strange. Much of the English in TikiWiki's interface needs to be improved, actually.	[15:25]
ricks99	agree 100%	[15:26]
chibaguy	I brought this up several months ago (or more?) but was told about the size of the job. No way before Tiki 3, but let's shoot for Tiki 4.	[15:27]
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chibaguy	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=EnglishLangProposedChanges	[15:31]
joomlagate	my GPRS connection is very slow, so I just got your messages sorry for my delay It is late night in my place, I should go sleep now. See you later ! Thanks you all for your help !	[15:32]
chibaguy	You're welcome, joomlagate. See you later.	[15:33]
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marclaporte	polom	[15:46]
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btiffin	Hi, I'm creating a Guide to OpenCOBOL set of wiki pages. I created a Structure, but as I'm new and this will evolve as I go, I didn't enter the Tree ... now when I Edit the Structure I don't see a way of updating the Tree. Do I start from scratch? Or if I Add pages to current node will this start building up the Structure Tree?	[16:03]
ricks99	if the pages already exist, u can add them to ur structure or u can create new pages, from within the structure	[16:05]
btiffin	And this all gets built into the Navigation? I won't have to manually link?	[16:06]
ricks99	y, u can also move pages around, within the structure (re-order), as needed try this: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Using+Structures	[16:07]
btiffin	Nice! Thanks ricks99. (Off topic - TikiWiki is pretty cool) ;) I'm going to try and make it to TikiFest Montreal Feb 28-Mar 3. Here's hopin.	[16:10]
ricks99	:)	[16:11]
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rpg	Probably a dumb question: how do I respond to a comment attached to a page on doc.tw.o?	[17:15]
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rpg	I'm looking at the comments, and am logged in, but there's no obvious "reply" button.	[17:18]
ricks99	do u have permission to reply to comments?	[17:23]
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rpg	ricks99: Why wouldn't I have permission?	[17:40]
ricks99	if you don't see the REPLY button, then you don't have permission	[17:40]
rpg	ricks99: What I really mean is "why would doc.tw.o be configured to prevent registered users from replying to comments?" seems like it is a bad idea to have people unable to freely discuss improvements to the documentation. oh, well. Thanks. ttfn. Must meet someone for lunch.	[17:41]
ricks99	because, 99.999% of the comments aren't about how to improve the docs. rather folks have been using it for support questions	[17:42]
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lphuberdeau	rick99, about up-to-date-ness, it's really a percentage of everything ;) it includes all changes from other languages that are yet to be incorporated	[18:27]
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ricks99	@lphuberdeau: if i have a 'master' language for a page (that is, all other languages are translations only -- no new content), does tiki know that the master language is always 100%?	[18:56]
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ricks99	q: when tiki shows search results, there's a filter to show only results from wiki pages, galleries, trackers, etc. however, it appears that tiki shows all enabled features, regardless if there are actually any search results from that feature i want tiki to show only features that actually have search results. possible?	[19:07]
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franck	marclaporte: dimdim: Powerful Integrations: Dimdim is now integrated with Zimbra open source email as a free zimlet, with Moodle LMS, with SugarCRM, and with Claroline. An open API and open source version is also available.	[19:20]
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melissaumd	hello, I'd like some help about tikiwiki, I am in the right place ??	[20:31]
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melissaumd	Hello, I'm working on the spreadsheet feature, and I get a php error, I would need some help ??	[20:38]
marclaporte	polom melissaumd: : what is your error?	[20:47]
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melissaumd	marc laporte? C'est à toi que j'ai envoyé un mail hier pour demander de l'aide. Ca te dérange si on parle en français, ce sera plus facile pour moi	[20:56]
marclaporte	mieux en anglais pour les autres #tikiwiki-fr sinon	[20:59]
melissaumd	ok	[21:00]
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melissaumd	with tikisheet, when I click on the graph icon, I get this error sentence: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in /usr/local/4admin/apache/vhosts/bmaengineering.com/httpdocs/tikiwiki/lib/graph-engine/core.php on line 262. You told me you were not good at that field. I tried to change the php version, 5 instead of 4, which didn't change anything. So I don't know what to do now. Do you know somebody who can h	[21:09]
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melissaumd	excuse me ! is it for me ? :s	[21:28]
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liquidape	Hi guys has anybody ever noticed that you can not edit pages from the Chrome browser?	[21:33]
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marclaporte	liquidape: : wow that's a big bug for Chrome, no?	[21:40]
liquidape	yeah, pretty big bug I've had to tell a number of users not to use chrome because of it it basically updates the version of the page. But no actual changes are saved might be a problem with safari too since I believe they are built on the same engine	[21:49]
lphuberdeau	I guess we can't be blamed for having a bug with a beta browser that was unreleased at the time of our last major release	[22:01]
SEWilco2	I've seen mention that some TW <markup> are Smarty incantations, but I'm having trouble finding any such things.	[22:11]
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liquidape	the browser is no longer beta as of today	[22:41]
Caarrie	"Google News: Google Tears Beta Label Off Chrome, Releases 1.0 - http://www.osnews.com/story/20641/Google_Tears_Beta_Label_Off_Chrome_Releases_1_0/"	[22:41]
liquidape	ding ;-)	[22:41]
Caarrie	hehe	[22:42]
liquidape	that was amazingly fast...you must have been reading the article as I wrote that	[22:42]
Caarrie	no i got the rss feed of it about 20 minutes ago now it would be nice to release a mac or linux version of chrome :(	[22:42]
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