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| ikeco | Evening all | [01:25] |
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| ikeco | still trying to work through the multi-lingual thing, and am having prooblems with translating articles
I keep getting a "page cannot be found" aerror, when assigning a language to an untranslated article any thoughts that I might try | [01:27] |
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| Kyuji_de-en2 | If I have ticked "Use login as email", the users name for sending them messages is of course the EMail. But: Is there a way to let the user select a username AND an email (like when the box "Use login as email" is not ticked) and use that email for Login and the rest of the time, i.e. for sending them messages use the username? | [02:43] |
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| Tiki_Pat | hello allo
is there anybody out there? :-D | [08:23] |
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| cnd | yes :-) | [08:46] |
| Tiki_Pat | oh, hi
cnd, are you a used user of tikiwiki? | [08:56] |
| how can i list the chanels? | [09:01] | |
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| cnd | Yes - and I think there's only 1 channel - and you're already on it. If you've got questions - just ask. Someone will answer you eventually - there's a *stack* of really smart folks who know everything on there. | [09:03] |
| Tiki_Pat | ok, so, what are the main reasons for updatin from 1.9.10.1 to 2.0 or 2.2? the document is no more online | [09:04] |
| luciash | hi
security and other goodies | [09:07] |
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| Tiki_Pat | and what are these goodies? | [09:24] |
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| Tiki_Pat | what are the main goodies in 2.2??? | [10:38] |
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| ikeco | I'm still slogging through the multi lingual thing---Does anyone know why I get errors while trying to translate an article I keep getting "Page cannot be found" while trying to set the language of an artivle prior to translation | [13:23] |
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| sylvieg | which version? | [13:30] |
| ikeco | 2.2
been really buggy--some of which is learning curve, I'm sure---butstill inconsistant the multi-language thing, I mean-- | [13:30] |
| ricks99 | hi all :) | [13:31] |
| ikeco | hiyas
think I actually figured it out---some articles predate the switch to multi language---they are the ones having trouble I think---will let you know | [13:31] |
| ricks99 | q: is there any way to have a watch automatically added to a new user, upon registration?
i want *all* users to monitor/watch a specific forum, and i want this to happen automatically, upon regirstaion? is this possible? | [13:35] |
| ikeco | argh---nope it didnt work---I think somehow tiki wants to make the article a wiki page--so either cam=nnot find the page, or fails in the edit | [13:37] |
| sylvieg | do you assign the translation in this apge tiki-edit_translation.php? | [13:41] |
| ricks99 | or a way to assign "watches" on a group-level? that is, have all members of GROUP A watch Forum X? | [13:44] |
| ikeco | Works fine with Wiki Page, but when editing an article, tiki-edit_translation.php returns "Page Cannot be found" if the article predated the swithch to multi language. It fails in a different way if the article posted after the switch to multi lkanguage.
Sorry about my spelling today geez | [13:44] |
| sylvieg | ikeco: I can not reproduce the problem
ricks99: I do not think we have watch at group level - meissing feature | [13:45] |
| ricks99 | any way to automagically assign a watch upon successful regisration? | [13:45] |
| sylvieg | wondering if the feature gillesm added group od alert is working for forum? | [13:46] |
| ricks99 | i can add the link in the welcome email letter, but would prefer an automagic solution | [13:46] |
| cnd | n00b question: is it conceptually possibly to block Anonymous access to *everything* in 2.2, *except* for a few tiki pages that are specifically assigned to a category/group ? | [13:46] |
| Jyhem | cnd: yes | [13:47] |
| sylvieg | cnd: yes | [13:47] |
| ricks99 | @cnd: y. | [13:47] |
| ikeco | sylvieg---let me try to switch themes---maybe some change I made somewhere in a template or something. | [13:47] |
| ricks99 | lol | [13:47] |
| cnd | eg: I clicked on the "forums" RSS feed after I thought I'd set this up, and was alarmed to see that Anonymous people could see a forum I'd restricted... so I'd imagine there's probably 100+ other features that I *don't* know about that might allow Anonymous users ways of getting into stuff I don't want. | [13:48] |
| sylvieg | ... groiup of alert is not working on forum - I told gilles the implementation was not well done - something to redesign...
for rss feed you must set no cache time | [13:48] |
| ricks99 | k.... another item to add to my adin dashboard wishlist | [13:49] |
| Jyhem | cnd: the way is, don't give any access to the forum feature to Anonymous. This works better than restricting access to each forum | [13:50] |
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| ricks99 | @sylvieg: is there a way to control which page a new user sees, upson validation? I could simply harcode the watch link there | [13:50] |
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| cnd | 10 Jyhem: 01I don't think you quite understand my reasoning here - I don't want to "not give access" to known features etc - because there's too many features I'd have to know about to get them all... I want to deny *everything*, except for things I specifically do know about to allow... | [13:51] |
| ricks99 | @cnd: use groupos | [13:52] |
| Jyhem | cnd: look at the permissions for group Anonymous and just remove everything. Then even the features you don't know about are denied :-) | [13:53] |
| Redhatter | cnd: Kindly refrain from gratuituous colour... black text on black background is completely unreadable. | [13:53] |
| cnd | (sorry, copy/pasted - dunno how/why it did that, I'll type it instead next time) | [13:54] |
| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16170 /trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_value.tpl: [FIX]tracker: do not export the flag of a country | [13:58] |
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| cnd | Would "categories" be the right place to investigate blocking Anonymous access to all tiki_p_view / tiki_p_download_files / tiki_p_view_html_pages items that have not been explicitly added to "the things that the public are allowed to see" ? | [14:02] |
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| ricks99 | @cnd: y, but u need to make it the other-way-around. by default, make everything public, then create a category for members-only | [14:03] |
| cnd | We're back at the problem of me having to know every single thing to add into the "members only" category.
(and the future problem of people creating new stuff and forgetting to do that) | [14:04] |
| ricks99 | u can use the "force categoriztion" option to require items be placed into categories | [14:06] |
| cnd | Sounds perfect! thanks!! | [14:08] |
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| cnd | Does anyone know how to find the tiki web page that corresponds to an option (in general)? For example - it's often faster to "grep -r" in the source to find stuff out - then, lets say I've found $prefs.feature_bot_bar_icons - how do I find the web page to toggle that preference ? | [14:14] |
| ricks99 | u can toggle most features from the admin: features page | [14:15] |
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| cnd | Well - in case anyone's reading the logs - looks like when you find a variable in a theme template, it's usually also present in an admin template (for my above example - it was templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl) - and it appears that the PHP code ./tiki-admin_include_look.php uses that template, and is in turn included into ./tiki-admin.php - so if you're lucky, you get an idea of which option in the page to load (eg: the "look and feel" one)
FWIW - turns out mine was already off - and it was a mistake in my own template... oops... sorry folks :-) | [14:21] |
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| cnd | Hmm - I'm stuck. I created a category "Public pages", gave the Anonymous group "tiki_p_view_categories" permission, and added HomePage into the "Public pages" category - but now anon users get "Permission denied you cannot view this page" on it... How do I let a group view only the pages in a specific category ? | [14:48] |
| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 16171 /trunk/lib/core/lib/DeclFilter.php: [FIX] Wrong include | [14:48] |
| ricks99 | @cnd: need to add tiki-p-view-categorized | [14:49] |
| cnd | Has it already.
Curious - adding "tiki_p_admin_categories" permission to group "Anonymous" seems to fix it ? | [14:50] |
| Caarrie | you should never add admin anything to anonymous | [14:51] |
| cnd | yes - I just did that out of frustration - still - makes me wonder why they can see it with "admin" but not with "view"...
I gave them:- tiki_p_download_files tiki_p_search tiki_p_view tiki_p_view_categories tiki_p_view_categorized tiki_p_view_file_gallery tiki_p_view_html_pages tiki_p_view_image_gallery tiki_p_view_sheet tiki_p_view_templates tiki_p_view_workspace tiki_p_wiki_view_attachments | [14:52] |
| ricks99 | @cnd: are u overrideing the group perms on that page? | [14:53] |
| cnd | tiki_p_wiki_view_source
I don't think so - if I remove the page from the "public pages" category- anon can see it again no probs - ergo - I don't think I'm overriding anything ? | [14:53] |
| ricks99 | what are ur perms for the Public Pages category? | [14:55] |
| cnd | Anonymous: tiki_p_view_categories
I did also notice a check box "Assign permissions automatically" - and this is checked - and it will not un-check at all (every time I "save" and return - it's re-checked again) | [14:56] |
| marclaporte | marclaporte is annoyed by that pre-checked box | [14:57] |
| ricks99 | @cnd: u need to add tiki-p-view-categorized | [14:57] |
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| cnd | to what? The Anonymous group? They already have it (see above) | [14:58] |
| ricks99 | to the group perms | [14:58] |
| cnd | Is there a way to add a group into a category ? | [14:59] |
| lphuberdeau | groups can include other groups
but categories are for data, not roles | [15:01] |
| cnd | doc says somplace that "everything is an object" and that "objects can be added to categories"... although I'm not arguing with you - if it's not in the admin screens, it probably isn't coded to make sense to do that. | [15:02] |
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| lphuberdeau | doc may not be accurate on that aspect
but groups are not objects ;) | [15:08] |
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| SEWilco2 | cnd: A group is not added to a category, but I think category permissions are defined by group.
cnd: You might make it appear as if a user group is in a category by creating Wiki pages with names such as "User group Anonymous". | [15:14] |
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| cnd | Ah Hah!! I notice on the demo ( http://demo.opensourcecms.com/tiki/tiki-categpermissions.php?categId=1 ) that there are FIVE categories that can be assigned - including "tiki_p_view_categorized"
My install (v 2.2) has only TWO categories - NOT including "tiki_p_view_categorized" Anyone know why I might not be seeing those extra 3 cats? | [15:31] |
| sylvieg | perms? clear the cache temp/cache | [15:32] |
| cnd | (I'm logged in as "admin") - how would I clear those caches ? | [15:33] |
| sylvieg | tiki-admin_system.php | [15:34] |
| cnd | YAY - you rock!!!! tiki_p_view_categorized magically appeared (along with only 1 other option - I got 4, not 5 like the demo - but hey...), and by removing tiki_p_view from Anonymous, I'm able to get them to see only the pages I explicitly allow !!!! | [15:40] |
| Grumble - still some curious misbehaviours though - like the "search" doesn't work (finds nothing) | [15:54] | |
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| herve_ | hi, did somebody had permission issues upgrading from 1.10 to 2.2 ? I can't access image galleries list (tiki_p_list_image_galleries) | [16:43] |
| lphuberdeau | 1.10 was never released, so there is no guarentee | [16:44] |
| sylvieg | clear the cache tiki_p_admin_system.php + do you have categ on the gallery? | [16:44] |
| herve_ | ok thx i forgot to clear cache. | [16:48] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16172 /trunk/styles/darkroom.css: [FIX]darkroom: some tuning with button in page-bar | [16:58] |
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| ikeco | still working on my article translation issues---If I am translating a wiki page, I would end up on tiki-editpage.php...If I am translating an article, which page should I land on? | [17:15] |
| lphuberdeau | not sure it's even supposed to work... | [17:20] |
| ikeco | that might explain why I'm having problems....Looking at the PHP code in tiki-edit_translation.php, I can't see how I would end up anywhere but tiki-editpage.php--which is for wiki pages
Am I understanding things right? | [17:21] |
| lphuberdeau | multilingual moved a lot on the wiki side, but articles were left behind a bit
I don't think you can do much more than attach existing articles | [17:28] |
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| ikeco | Well, at least I'm not going crazy then. Thanks--I'll try and make a work-around. Do you know if it's being addressed in 3.0? | [17:30] |
| lphuberdeau | can be if you address it
as far as I know, there is no specific effort targetted on articles | [17:30] |
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| ricks99 | @ikeco: theres a bug for article translations in 2.x... u need to create the article first, then associate the languages
u cannot create the aticle on-the-fly | [17:33] |
| ikeco | I would be glad to, but my code writing is more of the "Brute Force/Hit and Miss" school, and definately not up to the high standards of You, Sylvie, and Marc..I'll be glad to pass along my ugly hacks if your interested though
Actually my "Ugly Hacks are getting better, as I understand Tiki more and more... | [17:34] |
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| lphuberdeau | oh, I'm pretty sure you're at least as good as marc ;) | [17:36] |
| marclaporte | hehe
"Brute Force/Hit and Miss" -> I strive to get that good million monkeys :-) I am really good at finding bugs though :-) | [17:36] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 16174 /trunk/templates/styles/tikineat/ (header.tpl tiki.tpl): [FIX] Admin bar should not be part of header - appears in print
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16173 /trunk/templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerfilter.tpl: [FIX]TRACKERFILTER: button+javascript check | [18:48] |
| lphuberdeau | I think there were more commits today than in the past two weeks... holidays over | [18:53] |
| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 16175 /trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Allow printing of multiple objects with indexes above for large documents | [18:58] |
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| sylvieg | lphuberdeau: what is the difference between print_indexed and print_multi_pages? | [19:33] |
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| lphuberdeau | prints and index along with the pages
but basically, the structure is made to support any kind of objext and should be easier to template... and handles output buffer/memory in a better way kind of basically, it displays a number next to each object and the index refers to that number, so they are easier to search in adding support for trackers right now | [19:51] |
| sylvieg | I do not get why there is 2 features... should have been an improvment to multi_page_print? | [19:58] |
| lphuberdeau | too focused on structures and wiki pages | [19:58] |
| sylvieg | so print_indexed will never print structures?
.. just trying not to have code duplication | [19:59] |
| lphuberdeau | well, it's built with a different architecture
it could support structures, but then it would remove the need for print_multi | [20:00] |
| SEWilco2 | Agh. I improve my code and again have to debug a blank screen. I wish error messages would show up. | [20:01] |
| lphuberdeau | they show up for me... | [20:01] |
| SEWilco2 | Syntax errors in a plugin seem to produce no output. | [20:03] |
| sylvieg | lphuberdeau: I bet it will be done one day because the structure cleaner (set the correct hi...) will be needed one day in the indexed print | [20:06] |
| lphuberdeau | well, I didn't really touch that part... that really requires modifications to the parser | [20:07] |
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| sylvieg | a lot of these modifications are already in | [20:18] |
| SEWilco2 | Sigh. Four statements are failing in my plugin, and I don't see what is wrong with such as: $repl . = $imgdata_dim; | [20:20] |
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| SEWilco2 | Even worse is this one failing, as there is no variable on the right side: $repl . = '" border="0" '; | [20:22] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 16177 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Allow to add users to group from group members page | [20:58] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 16179 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/ (43 files in 12 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 16149 to 16177
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| SEWilco2 | Tsk. I was getting a blank screen because ". =" is not the same as ".=". One space in the wrong place. | [21:43] |
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| mib_l30zb5 | Using 2.2, I am unable to send email via mail notification; yet, I am able to send email from a simple php mail script. This tells me my php.ini is setup correctly.
I do not see anything mentioned in /var/log/exim4/mainlog except for the email I sent via my simple php mail script. I do not see anything in the TW Syslog regarding email. I have set up a from email address in Admin Home > General. Any ideas on what I am missing? | [21:58] |
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| SEWilco2 | mib_l30zb5: Maybe the user group does not have a permission for email notification of the feature which you're testing? | [22:25] |
| mib_l30zb5 | I am not seeing that option in the group permissions. I see tiki_p_use_webmail, webmail, tiki_p_batch_subscribe_email, tiki_p_subscribe_email, tiki_p_admin_mailin
My email notification event is "wiki_page_changes", the object is "*", my email address and user are correctly populated. | [22:29] |
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| sylvieg | mib_l30zb5: do you have mail log in tiki log? | [22:49] |
| fantoms | I would like to have a "copy" of my TW site (ex www.mytikisite.com) for mobile browsers. Can I force the use of the mobile/hawhaw tool on another domain (ex mobile.mytikisite.com)?
Or is there a homepage control for different domains? | [22:52] |
| mib_l30zb5 | I do have a check in the box: "Admin Home" > General > "Log mail in Tiki Logs" | [22:53] |
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| sylvieg | and do you see some line about mail in tiki-syslog.php | [22:54] |
| mib_l30zb5 | None. | [22:55] |
| sylvieg | and do you have stuff in tiki-admin_notifications.php? | [22:57] |
| mib_l30zb5 | Yes.
Event: wiki_page_changes; Object: *; email: name@example.com; user: name | [22:58] |
| sylvieg | abd tghe feature_user_watches is on?
sorry and the.. | [23:01] |
| mib_l30zb5 | Where is that found? | [23:02] |
| fantoms | Admin > Features | [23:02] |
| mib_l30zb5 | Found it, and no.
Enabled. I'll get back to you. :) | [23:02] |
| That worked! Thank you sylvieg and fantoms!
So, for my understanding: in order for categories (Wiki Page Staging and Approval) and mail notification to work, watch pages needs to be enabled? | [23:10] | |
| sylvieg | I am just checking - seems it isa bug... | [23:14] |
| mib_l30zb5 | I based my set up on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki+Page+Staging+and+Approval | [23:17] |
| Thanks for your help. I have registered on tikiwiki.org so that I may help the cause! | [23:23] | |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16181 /trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX]tracker: query syntax error | [23:38] |
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| jwbguitar | hello everyone. I need some help with configuring.
I need people to be able to upload a file bigger than 2 mb | [23:55] |
| cnd | look at your /etc/php.ini file | [23:59] |
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