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[03:02] <mib_rpwyuk> kinkitiki
[03:03] <mib_rpwyuk> :/
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[05:54] <vector> I have another question about a feature.  Can you turn off article ratings?
[06:11] <luciash> vector: i think so... or it depends on article type
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[08:30] <vector> OK, how?  I have looked all over and turned anything that looked remotely like them including scoring, and several other options specifically rated to articles
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[08:49] <luciash> vector: under Articles you can admin types of articles
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[08:53] <luciash> vector: tiki-article_types.php, first column
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[09:51] <Kutti> Hi evereybody how may i check the which bug are fixed in this released and when can i expecte to fix? how may i get this kind of stuff?
[09:51] <Kutti> anybody knows abt this?
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[10:03] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16840 10/trunk/tiki-admin_include_gal.php: [FIX] XHTML code + better tra()
[10:13] <Kutti> Hi evereybody how may i check the which bug are fixed in this released and when can i expecte to fix? how may i get this kind of stuff?
[10:13] <Kutti> is there anybodys who can help me?
[10:15] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16841 10/trunk/testGD.php: [FIX] made it working + some adjustments
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[10:23] <luciash> Kutti: read changelog.txt
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[10:32] <Kutti> Thank you luciash 
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[12:58] <worfo> hi folks, I've got a problem installing tiki over ftp....
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[12:59] <worfo> when I head to installer/tiki-installer.php the browser js just downloading the page!?
[13:01] <worfo> what can I do?
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[13:06] <worfo> ok, no ones awake ;)
[13:07] <worfo> cu
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[13:16] <helpless_urls> I was here with trouble the other day and thought I'd found an answer in the following: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2224 . Here was the discussion...http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-02-12,Thu&sel=285#l281 . I am using WIKI on a WAMP server and the URLs are simply getting built incorrectly. There is something really really wrong with the tiki-filter-base.php . I am not sure why it is 
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[13:21] <helpless_urls> marc, rlynch with the URL issues...apparently unsolved.
[13:22] <marclaporte> oh
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[13:23] <marclaporte> brb
[13:24] <helpless_urls> something is still going wrong with URL building...I sent you an email.
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[13:35] <sylvieg> ricks99: what do you mean with admin: general revamp? 
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[13:38] <ricks99> hi sylvieg. 
[13:38] <sylvieg> hi
[13:38] <ricks99> eariler this week checked in a reworked ui for admin: generl page
[13:38] <sylvieg> do you mean installer?
[13:39] <ricks99> no. admin: generl page. details: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Regrouping+the+General+Admin+page
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[13:42] <sylvieg> sorry I missed this commit
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[13:42] <luciash> polom
[13:43] <ricks99> np. ur comments are greatly appreciated
[13:45] <sylvieg> seems good to me...
[13:45] <sylvieg> (I will just add my 'no tabs' button when I will have 5 mn)
[13:46] <ricks99> ty. i think we can go a long way in cleaning up the pages simply by hiding things that have dependencies
[13:46] <sylvieg> I will go for duplicating place where the same info can be changed - I do not see a side effect
[13:48] <sylvieg> I will go all the language stuff in i18n (can change - available language)
[13:49] <luciash> when we are done with the admin revamp we need to encourage translators to update the language files before 3.0 release
[13:50] <ricks99> y. I've been trying to reword/simplify some of the labels, too
[13:51] <ricks99> i guess that moving an option from to another also implies updating the asociated php, too?
[13:51] <sylvieg> thx ricks99 - good to have a native English speaker to do this work
[13:52] <ricks99> lol.... native *Southern* speaker, y'all :)
[13:52] <sylvieg> yeh but it is easy simple_set_value('sdfsdf') or simple_set_toggle('sdfsd');
[13:53] <sylvieg> it is why I will go when it is not easyto duplicate place we can change the same prefs
[13:53] <sylvieg> it is mainly only duplicating the tpl string
[13:53] <ricks99> k. i'll dig through... also, some admin pages have multiple "SAVE" buttons. appears that it uses different secions of the php. how hard/easy to change to a single SAVE button
[13:55] <sylvieg> ah ah... we come back to the definition of a tab? Is a tab different page with different saves or a tab has only one save....
[13:56] <sylvieg> (it is why I do not like tabs in admin page)
[13:56] <helpless_urls> I'm having quite a few issues with the URL builds...Looking for suggestions for a solution. URLs get built differently and incorrectly in various situations. threads: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=4&comments_parentId=31557 http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=4&comments_parentId=31259 http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?t
[13:56] <ricks99> no.t quite what i mean
[13:57] <ricks99> forexample, look at admin: wiki. there are multiple CHANGE PREFERENCES buttons. why?
[13:57] <ricks99> drives me crazy when i set a bunch of options. click CHANGE PREF and only half get set!
[14:08] <helpless_urls> also bug: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2310
[14:10] <ricks99> @helpless_urls. u need to redifinethe baseurl in your php.ini
[14:11] <sylvieg> ricks99: I agree with you
[14:11] <sylvieg> with the wiki page should have some tabs....
[14:12] <ricks99> y. wiki is next (right after login)
[14:12] <ricks99> im putting tabs on login page -- each auth service on a separate tab. with a General tab for the global options
[14:13] <ricks99> no need for me to see 30 PEAR options if im not using PEAR::Auth
[14:13] <helpless_urls> Ricks99, there is no $base_url entry in the php.ini ... can I just add it anywhere?
[14:16] <ricks99> i think so.....
[14:17] <helpless_urls> as far as syntax, just; $base_url = http://mydomain.com  ?
[14:20] <ricks99> actually, i think its in httpd.conf -- not php.ini
[14:20] <ricks99> i think its called serverroot ?
[14:21] <helpless_urls> that is the location of the apache server on the drive...
[14:23] <ricks99> not sure then :(
[14:23] <helpless_urls> definitely did not work in the php.ini...I couldn't get services running at all.
[14:24] <helpless_urls> This is a HUGE usability problem if you can't correctly build a URL. Not to pooh-pooh other issues, but it renders the program unusable.
[14:28] <sylvieg> what is incorrect in this url http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2310 ?
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[14:29] <sylvieg> ah it is a windows problem...
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[14:30] <sylvieg> I saw some windows installation where the / was not a problem - but no idea how the setting is set..
[14:31] <helpless_urls> It would seem that since windows is a viable server that there needs to be a solution...
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[14:31] <helpless_urls> It has been around since: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=291
[14:32] <helpless_urls> That says resolved, but the same issues are appearing as noted by marclaporte ... the RSS feed issue is STILL around.
[14:33] <helpless_urls> Sylvieg, was that a forum, bug, IRC? Any idea where you may have tracked that?
[14:33] <sylvieg> I do not know if there are some devs with a IIS around???
[14:34] <helpless_urls> I'm not running IIS...Windows 2000, Apache, MySql, PHP
[14:34] <sylvieg> (in fact it was always windows with apache - and here thre is no problem - I never went on a windows IIS 
[14:36] <helpless_urls> sylvieg, I'm not clear... no problem? There are several open bugs and forum queries that suggest there is. That and I seem to have the issue -- out of the box.
[14:38] <sylvieg> sorry I do not know - I have no tw install on windows right now I can access
[14:45] <helpless_urls> I realize that this is open source and all but I need a solution that works. Should I realistically be looking into another product?
[14:48] <sylvieg> I saw tw out of the box working on windows+apache... so I suppose it is a setting somewhere..
[14:49] <ricks99> can always use htaccess to rewrite the url... ?
[14:51] <sylvieg> can be a good idea
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[14:56] <helpless_urls> I've tried that and likely have done it incorrectly as it doesn't work. and suggestions for syntax?
[14:57] <sylvieg> ... with apache you should not have problem http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/platform/windows.html - they say they use /
[14:58] <sylvieg> http://www.technotheologian.us/2008/10/rewriting-backlashes-on-apache.html
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[14:59] <helpless_urls> sylvieg, I'll give it another go...thanks! Let you know.
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[15:09] <helpless_urls> sylvieg, I added the following: RewriteRule ^(.*)\\(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L] RewriteRule ^(.*)/\/(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L] RewriteRule ^(.*)/%5C/(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L] and still getting the URL result: http://mydomain.com/%5C/tiki-editpage.php?page=Documentation&page_ref_id=1 
[15:10] <helpless_urls> should the .htaccess be somewhere other than the root?
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[15:12] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16842 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:12] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [ENH] Exposing remembermethod option (used to generate hash for rememberme cookie)
[15:12] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: New "Simple" method uses unique id instead of IP based value
[15:12] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Do any other rewrite rules work?  If you have a Wiki page "Test One" try http://example.com/Test+One
[15:14] <helpless_urls> the Edit button on my only page is being written in the page as a relative URL like so: \/tiki-editpage.php?page=Documentation&page_ref_id=1
[15:15] <helpless_urls> SWEilco2, I am not clear on what you are trying to get me to test... can you clarify? Sorry.
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[15:17] <helpless_urls> The page is being created with the backslash in firefow, and will not even navigate in Tiki 3.0 on IE6
[15:17] <helpless_urls> sorry, that is Firefox.
[15:18] <helpless_urls> relative links to an edit page are being built as: http://tiki-editpage.php/?page=Documentation&page_ref_id=1 and of course that will fail.
[15:25] <helpless_urls> So I guess these are open questions: if I edit .htaccess files, which do I need to edit (or all of them)? If I can define $base_url as a hard-coded URL where should I do that? I previously modified tiki-filter-base.php to add [code] if ( substr($tikiroot,-1,1) == '\\' ) $tikiroot .= '/'; [code] and that helped when there were double "\\" 
[15:28] <helpless_urls> in tiki 3.0 Edit, Source, Remove, Rename, Perms, History and Make Structure all come up with relative URLs, where Add Comment and Attach File do not (they are javascript references). The latter two work, the rest do not.
[15:29] <ricks99_> @helpless_urls: relative urls indicate that you are using SEFURL option? if so, u *must* enable the htaccess file
[15:30] <helpless_urls> Whatever I am using is out-of-the-box. If SEFURL is a setting, I'm not sure where it was set/changed. As far as enabling that file, where do I do it?
[15:32] <ricks99_> admin: features page
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[15:42] <TomJarvis> Does anyone have the mouseover plugin working in 3.0?
[16:03] <helpless_urls> ricks99, you mean turn on the Search engine friendly url and/or the postfilter?
[16:04] <helpless_urls> neither are on right now.
[16:04] <luciash> ricks99_: still here ?
[16:07] * luciash gotta get a nap or i would fall asleep walking here :-p
[16:08] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r16843 10/trunk/ (lib/tiki-js.js templates/tiki-install.tpl): [ENH]new onchange event for droplists. can be used to hide suboptions for items with DISABLED + other options. added to installer (step 6) to hide all https options if DISABLED.
[16:14] <ricks99_> @helpless_url: if neither is on, then dont turn on. (i was just grasping at straws)
[16:16] <helpless_urls> Ricks99, oh, I thought *I* was ;-)
[16:16] <luciash> ricks99_: the problem with WYSIWYCC is that *when you enable* PEAR, *you can configure* it, so you suddenly have enabled PEAR with no chance to get it prepared...
[16:17] <helpless_urls> Ricks99, any idea what SEWilco wanted me to try? <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Do any other rewrite rules work?  If you have a Wiki page "Test One" try http://example.com/Test+One ?
[16:17] <luciash> ricks99_: we have to figure this out to be sure that important settings are configured *before* you enable the functionality/feature
[16:17] <ricks99_> @luciash. for the auth stuff. im going to put each method on a separate tab. the PEAR tab will tell u that you need to set the auth method
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[16:18] <luciash> ricks99_: this is what i was already been thinking about since introduction of Site Identity: admin needed a "preview" after activating the custom code before making it public
[16:19] <ricks99_> need a reat-time auto valiattor :)
[16:19] <luciash> ricks99_: so with some inputs you cannot do that you hide them when the parent is not enabled
[16:20] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: I was suggesting you test if any .htaccess rules work so you know if your web server is configured correctly.
[16:21] <helpless_urls> Any suggestion how to run a "hello world" type test?
[16:21] <luciash> ricks99_: btw, did you switched to unix line endings in your editor already or does marc always need to run dos2unix script after your commits ? ;)
[16:21] <ricks99_> eol? lof? wtf? :)
[16:21] <ricks99_> should be ok
[16:21] <luciash> :)
[16:21] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: A test on what?
[16:22] <ricks99_> for the hide partentstuff. im talking about a better xplaination of optionhierarchy. for example....
[16:22] <helpless_urls> SEWilco, you say 'be sure it is running' ... how do I test.
[16:22] <ricks99_> on admin: loging, don't bother showing all the REMEMBER ME options until/unless the user enables the parent
[16:23] <ricks99_> will save *a lot* of screen realestate and help combat the "overwhelming" number of options
[16:23] <luciash> ricks99_: i agree it's possible on some types of parent checkboxes
[16:25] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Do you have any wiki pages in your site?  Maybe HomePage?
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[16:27] <helpless_urls> SEWilco, Yes, I have a homepage.
[16:27] <ricks99_> * wow! rick just moved an option from one admin panel to another (tpl *and* php) and nothing blew up! woo - hoo
[16:27] <luciash> ricks99_: but talking about this remember me case specifically, imagine you can have a case, where you enable the feature and then you decide to give users one week of remembering them but there can be already one user logged in which will have only the default time and he will be logged out after two hours wondering what happened when you announced one week ? this is not that serious case but there can be other unwanted situations caused by this if you 
[16:27] <luciash> heh, congrats :-p
[16:28] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: What is the name of the home page?  It might be visible in your URL.
[16:29] <SEWilco2> ricks99_: So make the announcement of the change a week later?
[16:29] <helpless_urls> SEW, /tiki-index.php?page=Knowledgebase
[16:29] <luciash> ricks99_: (because he logged in in the time *after* you enabled the remember me feature and by unluck he was so quick he made it *before* you was able to set the one week suboption)
[16:29] <ricks99_> y, but that can be said of any global change 
[16:29] <SEWilco2> s/ricks99_/luciash/
[16:29] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Try http://example.com/Knowledgebase
[16:30] <ricks99_> i am only talking about the admin experience (especially for new tiki-ers) right now
[16:30] <luciash> SEWilco2: you know it was trivial example and i told it's not that serious case, but there can be others
[16:30] <ricks99_> after installing tiki and going to the admin: login page you have 50+ options
[16:30] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: If your .htaccess is working, "/Knowledgebase" will be mapped to the wiki page URL.
[16:31] <ricks99_> many (most?) are meaningless too a noob (wtf is ldap base dn)
[16:31] <helpless_urls> SEW, where am I trying the URL from? Adding the link to where?
[16:31] <SEWilco2> helplessurls: Type that URL in your browser, with whatever your domain is.
[16:31] <luciash> ricks99_: but if you have all the inputs accessible *before* enabling the remember me (for example) you can pre-configure them and *then* enable it so you can avoid any unwanted situations
[16:32] <SEWilco2> helplessurls: If Knowledgebase works in your URL, you know your web server is configured to use .htaccess and your .htaccess permissions are right.
[16:32] <helpless_urls> SEW, I get the page Knowledgebase
[16:32] <ricks99_> i think that situation (your rmemberme example) is very unlikely. 
[16:32] <ricks99_> i think we may be confused...
[16:33] <SEWilco2> ricks99_: Hey!  Being confused is my job!
[16:33] <ricks99_> i want to use js show/hide to show the children items using onclick event -- not waiting for the admin to click CHANGE PREF
[16:33] <luciash> ricks99_: so i suggest if we hide them, hide them only visually (collapsed) but make them still accessible to be able configure the suboptions before and "be prepared"
[16:34] <ricks99_> @luciash: i just checked in a new tiki-install.tpl. take a look at what i did to the General Settings for the https. this is xactly what im talking about
[16:34] <luciash> ricks99_: lol, you started with remember me example ;) i talked about PEAR first ;)
[16:34] <ricks99_> * rick needs a whiteboard
[16:34] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Now that you know your .htaccess is being obeyed, get that rule which is giving you trouble and make a copy of part of it.  Test the parts.
[16:34] <ricks99_> just call me ricks"confused"99
[16:35] <luciash> ricks99_: cool, just wanted to be sure we don't hide important stuff which is not enabled like on admin > general without possibility to pre-configure it first
[16:36] <ricks99_> take a look at tiki-install and let me know if we're on the same page
[16:36] <ricks99_> brb
[16:38] <helpless_urls> SEW, got an idea of a rule that works? I'm in here changing all sorts of crap and getting nada.
[16:38] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: You might also try on the right side of the rule try "/tiki-index.php?page=TEST$1/$2" because error should show what $1 and $2 are.
[16:39] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: When you try to access a nonexistent page name, I think the error message tells you the page name.
[16:40] <helpless_urls> SEW, 'cannot find TEST$1$2.
[16:41] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: If the left side of your rule had (.*) and nothing was in $1, then apparently (.*) matched nothing.  Check if that's the right phrasing.
[16:41] <helpless_urls> Please state the rule.
[16:41] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: I also don't remember the meanings of the options in parentheses at the end of the rule.  Check those.
[16:42] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: You're the one editing your test rules in your .htaccess, so I don't know what you are testing.
[16:42] <luciash> ricks99_: yup, it's nice how it is done but it's unaccessible for people where javascript is not allowed
[16:43] <helpless_urls> SEW RewriteRule ^(.*)/\/(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L]
[16:43] <luciash> ricks99_: it should be optional or done like the tabs feature e.g. (first the tab content is generated and js then hides the tabs, not the other way around)
[16:44] <helpless_urls> that was: RewriteRule ^(.*)/\\/(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L] the backslash escaped.
[16:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r16844 10/trunk/ (db/tiki.sql installer/schema/20090220_admin_section_tiki.sql): [FIX] Only show link to tiki-admin.php to tiki_p_admin
[16:45] <luciash> ricks99_: if you try login with JS off you can see the tabs are still accessible (because the fieldsets are displayed by default each under the other, only when you have JS on, they're arranged as they should)
[16:45] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Did you try giving your browser a URL with \\ in it, to see if the escaping isn't behaving as you expect?
[16:46] <luciash> ricks99_: but e.g. the checkbox oén Admin > General "
[16:46] <helpless_urls> SEW, http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com/%5C%5C/knowledge NOT FOUND
[16:46] <luciash> Log SQL" is possible to enable but user with no JS doesn't see there's something else hidden
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[16:47] <xavi> polom
[16:47] <luciash> so you cannot use e.g. your mobile device to admin your tiki fully or environments where JS is forbidden
[16:48] <luciash> polom xavi !
[16:48] <xavi> :-) Hi luciash
[16:49] <helpless_urls> SEW, using rule: RewriteRule ^(.*)\\(.*)$ $1/$2                  [QSA,L]  http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com\\knowledgebase returns ADDRESS NOT FOUND
[16:50] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: There is no data at /\\/knowledge, but there is a rule for http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com/knowledge
[16:51] <helpless_urls> RewriteRule ^(.*)\\\\(.*)$ $1/$2  also returns ADDRESS NOT FOUND with http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com\\knowledgebase 
[16:51] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: How are you trying to make your URLs behave?
[16:52] <helpless_urls> SEW, just trying to make them behave...OUT OF THE BOX many things fail. 
[16:52] <helpless_urls> Since you have the URL I mistakenly copied here, try it out.
[16:52] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: And does your web server rewrite the odd \ into the more common / ?
[16:53] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Trying to make what behave in what way?  The default behavior is to map http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com/Knowledgebase to the page of the same name.
[16:54] <helpless_urls> SEW, NO. I am not getting it to work.
[16:54] <helpless_urls> SEW, Backslashes are staying backslashes. htaccess rules seem not to be doing much rewriting.
[16:56] <SEWilco2> That's odd, I thought I saw this working a minute ago, but not now: http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com/knowledge
[16:57] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Some of the options at the end of the line can stop further processing, so $1/$2 would not get processed further.  I don't remember what [QSA,L] does.
[16:58] <helpless_urls> SEW, I just tested this and believe it works: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://kb.clearviewdms.com/knowledgebase ...but I am not getting backslashes to turn to forward slashes.
[16:59] <helpless_urls> SEW, yes I know it is a loop...
[16:59] <SEWilco2> Comment out your rules and test that the default page rule still gives you access to knowledgebase.
[17:00] <helpless_urls> All rules, or just mine?
[17:03] <helpless_urls> The issue...I go here: http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com ... then login ... try and click an Edit button and get: http://knowledge.clearviewdms.com/\/tiki-editpage.php?page=Knowledgebase
[17:03] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Just your rules.  Get the basic remapping working again, then add one rule at a time.
[17:03] <helpless_urls> Note the /\/ after the .com
[17:04] <helpless_urls> I have the default htaccess file and it is still occurring.
[17:04] <SEWilco2> I haven't seen that \/ thing.  Looks like an error in a program or configuration.  What version of TW?
[17:05] <helpless_urls> 2.0 and 3.0
[17:05] <helpless_urls> you may not have seen it, but; Another thread: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=4&comments_parentId=31557 http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=4&comments_parentId=31259 http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=4&comments_parentId=31401  Bugs: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1964 h
[17:06] <SEWilco2> Check Admin>General and see if \/ is in one of the configuration fields.
[17:06] <helpless_urls> It is apparently some Windows server issue...but I cannot get it to go away.
[17:08] <SEWilco2> I don't use IIS.  You might check in IIS whether there is a \/ where one should not be.
[17:08] <helpless_urls> SEW, not sure where to check in gen prefs. I see them but there is nothing obvious with \ / ... 
[17:08] <helpless_urls> This is a WAMP, not IIS
[17:09] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Well, I also don't use W for servers.
[17:09] <helpless_urls> These are brand-new installations, no customizations but to try and FIX the issue.
[17:09] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Go to Admin>General and just do a browser page search Control-F for \
[17:10] <helpless_urls> "\" no results
[17:11] <helpless_urls> The relative URLs are not getting built properly...that is the issue. I am looking for a valid work-around.
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[17:15] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Because it happens in both 2.0 and 3.0, it's probably not a code problem.  Probably something in your server or PHP, as it doesn't seem to be in configuration.
[17:17] <xavi> luciash or others, anybody willing to test dimdim features for tikifests?
[17:17] <luciash> xavi: yep
[17:17] <xavi> I'm quite ready to start a test dimdim meeting .... :-)
[17:17] <luciash> :)
[17:18] <xavi> hold on, I?ll grab your email...
[17:18] <ricks99_> @helpless_url: pls confirm... ur using Win + WAMP, or Win + IIS?
[17:18] <ricks99_> I run Win + WAMP with no issues 
[17:18] <luciash> xavi: i'll try the URL you sent
[17:19] <xavi> oh well, not that one, I think. I closd that meeting this morning...
[17:20] <xavi> I think that they don't persist.... (still learning how dimdim works)
[17:20] <luciash> xavi: ah
[17:20] <xavi> ustream works with persistent urls, but not dimdim, afaik
[17:22] <xavi> mmm, I scheduled for 12:25 PM EST
[17:22] <xavi> I still wonder whether this is in 3 min or when...
[17:22] <helpless_urls> SEW  the bugs I posted show it has been going on since day 1, and continues...
[17:22] <Caarrie> xavi: it is
[17:22] <xavi> ah, ok
[17:22] <xavi> check your email, then
[17:22] <ricks99_> @helpless_urls: are u running IIs or WAMP (apache)? i run Win + WAMP  -- no issues
[17:23] <helpless_urls> Ricks99 WAMP = Windows 2000 Apache Mysql PHP.
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[17:25] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16845 10/trunk/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] css menu floated left to wrap nicely
[17:25] <helpless_urls> SEW, can't see how it is NOT a code issue...the URLs on the web pages say \/page ... The URLS are getting built that way.
[17:26] <ricks99_> @helpless_url: u are running this on a local win2K, pc, right? i run wmp + xp/vista no issues... 
[17:26] <helpless_urls> ricks99, WAMP on XP has no such issues.
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[17:26] <luciash> "There is no meeting room by this name. Please make sure the Meeting Room and the time is correct."
[17:27] <ricks99_> w2k issue then....
[17:27] <helpless_urls> nope...bugs say the same with wondows 2003 and 2008.
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[17:27] <helpless_urls> believe me I've read whatever i can find on the issue.
[17:28] <luciash> xavi ?
[17:29] <xavi> es, yes
[17:29] <xavi> yes
[17:29] <helpless_urls> I partially solved the issue by adding to the tiki-filter-base file, and that helped. The real issue is the URL generation.
[17:29] <xavi> I'll check...
[17:29] <xavi> (doing several things in parallel)
[17:29] <xavi> (too many)
[17:30] <ricks99_> @helpless: but if it islocalized only to win2000 and 2008. i dont think the issue is how the url is generated -- rather how those speicif versions of win are interpreting it
[17:30] <luciash> xavi: dimdim doesn't work it seems :-p
[17:31] <helpless_urls> If you have a filters file catching exceptions, then the exceptions should be caught.
[17:31] <helpless_urls> You don't need people like me altering the code to get it to work ;-)
[17:31] <xavi> luciash: I confirm the same error message here, through another browser, as user invited
[17:34] <luciash> xavi: a pity. sorry, i have to leave for now, bbl at the evening :-/
[17:34] <xavi> it's working!
[17:34] <xavi> luciash
[17:34] <luciash> *g*
[17:34] <xavi> I just started manually as admin of the event
[17:34] <xavi> and then, the user could login as normal user (from the other browser)
[17:35] <xavi> ok, next time Luc
[17:35] <xavi> s/Luc/luciash
[17:35] <xavi> anybody else willing to test?
[17:35] <xavi> hey luci, you are in!
[17:36] <xavi> luci, I've granted you the mic. of the meeting
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[17:37] <xavi> luciash ?
[17:37] <xavi> ^open the chat window on the right at the dimdim meeting
[17:38] <luciash> *g*
[17:39] <xavi> g what?
[17:39] <xavi> I've disabled the audio for you
[17:39] <xavi> and I'll try to use it myself again
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[17:42] <amette> polom
[17:42] <amette> w00t - I just installed my first blank Tiki 3.0 - looks good :)
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[17:46] <amette> ah and btw - is there still this VMWare image of Tiki around?
[17:46] <amette> I would have never thought so, but I really was asked today with the words "Well, it's just 1.9 and not 2 or 2.2, but still it would be cool to test drive it."
[17:58] <xavi> hi amette, remember you can test the livecd with vmware or virtualbox
[17:59] <amette> thanks xavi - I'll check that out! Who made that one? Is there coming a current version of it, too?
[18:00] <amette> ( 3.0 really greets you with a nice and friendly face - I like that :) )
[18:00] <xavi> phone
[18:00] <amette> np
[18:00] <xavi> call finished.
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[18:01] <xavi> I made that one (liveCD)
[18:01] <amette> that was quick :)
[18:01] <amette> I remembered so - but wasn't sure! ( even used your name today because of that already ;) )
[18:01] <xavi> tried another one with 3.0 based on xubuntu, this time, but it uck has a bug on the mysql, so it doesn't work well
[18:02] <amette> oh, damn... what kind of bug?
[18:03] <xavi> mysql-server complains about dependency problems... :-7
[18:03] <xavi> :-/
[18:03] <xavi> weird bug, because mysql works, but no nice display.... (themes are not displyed properly).
[18:03] <xavi> I might create another (updated) version of the current LiveCD with 3.0, which is based on and old Slax GNU/Linux 5.x
[18:04] <xavi> or you can create it yourself, if you wish... :-) all needed tools to make an updated version are inside the current SlaxTiki LiveCD :-)
[18:04] <amette> oh, ok - that really is a weird bug then.. :-/
[18:05] <amette> hehe, thanks, but ok - I don't think I'll start playing with LiveCD-authoring too soon... ;)
[18:05] <amette> now phone here :P
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[18:59] <chibaguy> hi from the vancouver, canada airport :-)
[19:07] <xavi> ououhu!! hi chibaguy!
[19:08] * xavi wonders what's the biological time for chibaguy right now... :-)
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[19:08] <chibaguy> hi xavi. I will get a flight in a few hours to portland oregon, and meet marc and lph at the recent changes camp (wiki conference). 
[19:08] <chibaguy> I'm not sure about my biological time either. The clock hands are spinning, I think.
[19:09] <xavi> :-)
[19:09] <xavi> we tried some hours ago the dimdim software for webconferencing....
[19:10] <xavi> btw, chibaguy, every time I send an email to admin@tw.o, I get a message from your account as if ou didn't get it...
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[19:10] <xavi> did you get my message this morning, about usernames and passwords for ustream, sclipo and dimdim?
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[19:15] <chibaguy> I don't know what's going on with my email. I'm not able to send message now either.
[19:15] <xavi> :-(
[19:15] <chibaguy> I'll try to get it sorted out. Maybe due to this public connection.
[19:16] <xavi> who knows... webmail's are sometimes easier when in non common places
[19:16] <xavi> (or with rare firewalls, blocked ports, ...9
[19:17] <chibaguy> yep.
[19:17] <chibaguy> well, I've got to get going now. talk to you later.
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[19:18] <Custom1> i tried dimdim, too
[19:18] <Custom1> sorry to interrupt
[19:18] <Custom1> I just wanted to know, wheter there was such a huge delay with Audio/Video conferencing
[19:18] <Custom1> when you tried
[19:19] <Custom1> :)
[19:19] <xavi> yes, there was
[19:19] <Custom1> so it isn't of use
[19:19] <Custom1> Or did you come to a diffrent resut
[19:19] <xavi> and we couldn't get the mic easily transferred to another person
[19:20] <xavi> or we didn't know how to easily do it
[19:20] <Custom1> when I tried everyone got the right to speak
[19:20] <Custom1> ;)
[19:21] <xavi> oh, well, we are still trying different applications... 
[19:21] <Custom1> can you give me some other names please
[19:21] <xavi> ustream went quite fine, even if some delay also with the audio
[19:21] <xavi> Custom1, do we know each other, btw?
[19:21] <Custom1> not that I knew
[19:22] * xavi wonders who is dehinid such anonymous name
[19:22] <xavi> s/dehind/behind
[19:22] <Custom1> just me
[19:22] <Custom1> Custom
[19:22] <xavi> :-)
[19:22] <xavi> ok, just other places, then :-P
[19:23] <xavi> custom_other_site1, custom_other_site2, ...
[19:23] <Custom1> excuse me?
[19:23] <Custom1> dont get the point
[19:23] <Custom1> so maybe I'll try this ustream later
[19:23] <xavi> "can you give me some other names please?"
[19:23] <Custom1> ;)
[19:23] <xavi> :-)
[19:24] <Custom1> yes other places :)
[19:24] <Custom1> see you guys
[19:24] <xavi> see you
[19:27] <helpless_urls> Looking for help...I'm Running a WAMP server Win 2000. looking for a work-around where URLs are created with irregular slashes "/\/" and "\/" by Tiki in RELATIVE URLs. This appears to happen only on Tiki running on Windows2000 - 2008, and for Firefox browsers. It seems in some cases $base_url is not set correctly. Others have this issue and as yet is not resolved in Tiki 3.0. Please see: thread: http://tik
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[19:31] <xavi> no idea helpless_urls, sorry
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[20:02] <helpless_urls> OK, can someone tell me where to find the code for the Wiki Edit button on the button bar?
[20:03] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16846 10/trunk/lib/setup/language.php: [MOD]language: when switching language, if best_language is on, activate automatically best_language + not necessary to get the browser language if the user has already selected a language or if switchLang is on
[20:07] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r16847 10/trunk/templates/ (4 files): [MOD] move description in title column in order to homogenize the look with other features
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[20:19] <sylvieg> After marc's message about profiles I did another fresh install and the refresh to get the profiles is again broken... Has somebody else the same problem?
[20:28] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: Edit button is probably emitted by a .tpl file in the templates directory.  Many tpl files are associated with php files.
[20:28] <sylvieg> tiki-page_bar.tpl perhaps
[20:29] <xavi> sylvieg, I'll try myself
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[20:32] <helpless_urls> SEW,  thanks...I'll see if I can make my modifcation there to fix the URLs.... 
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[20:42] <SEWilco2> helpless_urls: The edit tpl code seems to not be causing problems for others, so we'll be interested if there is something to fix.
[20:43] * SEWilco2 looks at brick wall on dev.tw.o and thoughtfully hefts his sledgehammer.
[20:44] <xavi> sylvieg, what was your problem with profiles?
[20:45] <xavi> I've just upgraded a previous trunk to latest, went to profiles, and I see the latest date and time updated (from a minute ago)...
[20:45] <xavi> What should I test?
[20:45] <sylvieg> I can not have the list of profiles - when I refresh I see the status becoming yellow - then grey and nothing is loaded
[20:45] <sylvieg> Can you get the list of profiles?
[20:46] <xavi> mmm, I clicked on the refreshcache icon, and it refreshed the date and time
[20:46] <xavi> green light here
[20:46] <SEWilco2> Maybe someone should mention a URL segment in case two people are calling different things a "list of profiles"
[20:46] <xavi> after 5-10 seconds
[20:46] <sylvieg> xavi you are a lucky one
[20:47] <xavi> I searched for "Exchange", and I got the profile Exchange_market in 2 sconds this time!
[20:47] <xavi> "luck"????
[20:47] <xavi> I wish I was...
[20:47] <sylvieg> I suppose I have a timeout...
[20:47] <SEWilco2> xavi: Sometimes skill is better than luck.
[20:47] <xavi> sylvieg, maybe something related to firewall, or similar?
[20:47] <xavi> SEWilco2: I fully agree...
[20:48] <xavi> ... even if I know feeling unlucky even when you are skilled on something! 
[20:48] <sylvieg> I got the profile working one time .... only one little time
[20:48] <xavi> (not my case with hphp & mysql coding...)
[20:48] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Are you and xavi looking at same page?
[20:48] <xavi> mmmm, hold on, I'll try again with a blank new site (files and database), just in case
[20:49] <sylvieg> tiki-admin.php?page=profiles
[20:49] <xavi> yes, same here. SEWilco2 have you tried profiles on trunk?
[20:49] <sylvieg> when I refresh http://profiles.tikiwiki.org
[20:49] * xavi is deleting the whole local trunk and copying it again from a updated svn backup
[20:49] <sylvieg> snif... and this code is a pain... to debug - full of ajax...
[20:52] <sylvieg> xavi: thx for testing
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[20:54] <SEWilco2> xavi: No, have not tried profiles.  I'm elbow deep in other code.
[20:54] <helpless_urls> SEW, there is an issue that needs to be resolved. I doubt it is that I need a new server license.
[20:55] <helpless_urls> my base URL is getting generated at the server as http://mydomain.com\/
[20:55] <xavi> np, sylvieg. 
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[20:56] <helpless_urls> That is being generated by code, I assume. 
[20:56] <xavi> SEWilco2: well, better then not to distract you too much from the deep ranges of the TikiOcean ;-)
[20:56] <helpless_urls> I should IF NOTHING ELSE be able to force a $base_url that is accurate.
[20:57] <helpless_urls> Why can we just name our base URL sopmewhere as a preference? It would save a ton of coding.
[20:59] <helpless_urls> I don't see why it is so hard to believe the code has an error that works unpredictably in a specific situation...
[21:00] <helpless_urls> It isn't like this is being rigorously tested.
[21:00] <sylvieg> and now I remember - I have a problem with my php config and with allow_url_fopen - an I rebooted my comuter 2 days ago...
[21:01] <xavi> sylvieg: just installted a blank new svn file set + blank new database, and the profile list is shown with no problems (and took only 3 seconds!)
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[21:03] <xavi> sylvieg, and I had the light yellow, but I clicked on refresh, and becase green in 2 seconds again, with updated time
[21:03] <xavi> so profiles seem to be working fine on trunk (at least right now)
[21:04] <sylvieg> not for me ... (I think you need javascript on too)
[21:04] <xavi> ah, possible.... I?m just using default installs of firefox 3.x and epiphany ....
[21:04] <xavi> on GNU/Linux...
[21:05] <xavi> however, I clicked on one profile of the list, and it's taking more than 30 seconds already, and not loaded yet...
[21:05] <xavi> ah, loaded already
[21:06] <xavi> hey! this is brilliant, there is a way to ask the user to fill in some custom fields just before install time!
[21:07] <sylvieg> rick did a very good job
[21:07] <xavi> rick? oh, yes, tiki install, I agree. But now I was talking about "before [profile] install time"!
[21:08] <xavi> so lph is the one for this, afaik
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[21:32] <sylvieg> I give up - no profiles for me...
[21:32] <xavi> :-/
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[21:41] <luciash> re
[21:42] <xavi> luciash, I'm getting trouble to see those images on tikfiestmadrid
[21:42] <xavi> many people don't know that they exist, because they are hidden inside shadowbox
[21:43] <luciash> xavi: huh ?
[21:43] <luciash> but they're there working right, ok ?
[21:43] <xavi> I'm attempting to make them show as usual (out of shadowbox), but they don't show up... ¿?
[21:43] <xavi> for example, this image exists: http://tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/090216_TikiFestMadrid_img_6523.jpg
[21:44] <xavi> but it's not shown for me at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMadrid , even if I?ve just added it again as normal img src tags, without using shadowbox
[21:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r16848 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [ENH]multiple ui changes to better organize. on login tab: moved non-login prefs
[21:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: to general, separated different auth methods into separate tabs, removed user
[21:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: defaults (they are already on user prefs page). visually clarified dependent
[21:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: (parent/child) items. all options now include <LABEL> tags
[21:44] <luciash> xavi: just write it up there: "Click the image to browse more images using your keyboard arrow keys" or something like that ?
[21:45] <luciash> i made them hidden because they were too huge
[21:45] <luciash> would be better if you had thumbnails, then i wouldn't hesitate to make them unhidden there
[21:45] <xavi> not for me. I've seen still many people wondering whether there is somewhere a picture in higher resolution from the whiteborad
[21:46] <xavi> and nowadays I can't get that image to show properly
[21:46] <xavi> nor even with width="200" or so
[21:46] <luciash> just remove the class="tiki-help"
[21:46] <luciash> from the box
[21:46] <xavi> I removed the whole box, and no change... :-/
[21:46] <xavi> see nowadays
[21:48] <luciash> i'll check it out
[21:55] <luciash> xavi: your problem were typos ;)
[21:56] <luciash> xavi: scr instead of src and with instead of width ;)
[21:56] <xavi> typos???? My Godness!
[21:56] <xavi> :-)
[21:56] <xavi> oh well, thanks. It's time, then, to slow down and switch off (my eyes seem unable to recognize those huge typos! :-)
[21:57] <xavi> so far, walk the dog time :-) cheers
[21:58] <SEWilco2> YES, GO REST YOUR EYES.  THANKS FOR THE PICTURES.
[21:59] * SEWilco2 offers to translate to Braille.
[22:01] <SEWilco2> Morse, so he can listen instead of read.  :-)  -.-- . ... | --..-- | | --. --- | .-. . ... - | -.-- --- ..- .-. | . -.-- . ... | ..--.. | | | - .... .- -. -.- ... | ..-. --- .-. | - .... . | .--. .. -.-. - ..- .-. . ... | ..--.. | 
[22:03] <SEWilco2> Hmm.  Flash morse code translator.  We don't have a Morse mode yet.  http://www.glassgiant.com/geek/morse/
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[23:27] <sylvieg> snif the css menus are broken now with darkroom
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[23:44] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: They are?  Check if you enabled the CSS feature in Admin>Features.  I haven't tried CSS menus in the last week on trunk.
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[23:52] <franck> amette:  on tw.o there is no mention of the translation feature of the wiki
[23:53] <franck> tiki is unique for that
[23:53] <franck> better market it
[23:57] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16849 10/trunk/styles/darkroom.css: [FIX]darkroom: icons in css menu are defined in default css configuration + some height for vertical css menu