.. | abnd just add it there...
what hour does the tikifest officialy start ? how was the flight ?
:)
sed done
flight was great - tikifest is up and running
just got WiFi and now starting to hack on the servers (though I didn't plan to start with irc.tw.o ;) )
w00t, i hear you !
where's the damn tab !
:D
hear me? I get paranoid... :P
I see you! ;)
i hear you guys on tikifest and now even see you :-p
(found the tab :D)
i'll join you, just a mom ;)
:)
i'm broadcasting now :)
do you have sound there ?
hello to tikifest at cgcom !
my bro is schizophrenic
nice logo :) who is the man behind camera ?
or woman :-p
heh, yup, i'm lazy... this chat embedded in wiki page is more close than my irssi console :-p
the sound is better than in madrid - +1 to whoever did it
yup, definitely, just someone is tapping on the mic ;)
amette: what do you think about the ctype functions not on gentoo php by default ?
nothing particular - it's optional and that's a good thing to be true to the gentoo philosophy - it's 6 ascii characters in a file - fair enough imho :)
yep, but when you upgrade to tiki 3 it will break your site until you recompile it with it
hi jyhem ! :)
oh, now we're off air
we see it here still...
ah, now it's back
cool, gary is da man behind the camera :)
yup, yup :)
please use irc to chat at tikifest so everyone sees the same
i'll disable the chat on ustream.tv, the tikiwiki channel is on the show page now
wow, that's colorful presentation :)
who is in view of the camera ?
gary is behind the camera
haha Tiki T-shirts :)
Hello everyone. Where can I find tiki-import_phpwiki.php ?
What's the URL for the camera?
heheh, someone loves testing at tikifest ;)
http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/523448
SEWilco2: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009#Live
mycomputer: I don't see tiki-import_phpwiki.php anywhere in my system. Maybe it's part of a mod which I don't have installed.
SEWilco1 : OK. I actived/install it in admin mods, but tikiwiki gives me the following message : The requested URL /tikiwiki/tiki-import_phpwiki.php was not found on this server
ah : I found this http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Mod%20import-phpwiki&structure=Documentation :)
"appropirate outputs" - Arrr.
Which TW slideshow theme is he using for his slides? I don't recognize which one has such a banner.
The last TW training session I did, I used TW slides, so I could add them to site documentation as a training tool.
is sound ok on ustream?
SEWilco2: it's probably openoffice presentation
marclaporte: yep, great !
ok, excellent
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16983 10/trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX]tracker: sorry rollback to 16957(test on item caetgory perm is not ready) + put the test null date
it's getting dark here and quality of my webcam is bad so i think i'll stop my broadcasting back now ;)
polom
hey xavi :)
hey, luci, distant participants! ;-)
luci-tikifest ... and nice, it seems alain showing phpunit in action....
well, it is alain (I could see him also )
xavi: will you join me with your quickcam ?
I'll do my best :-)
btw, congratulations for the person with the camera recording....
video and audio quality is very good!
s/is/are
it's gary
with a camcorder
a pity he's not in this channel
busy with shooting ;)
bbl
hey amette, what are you doing writing here... aren't you listening to Alain? ;-)
congrats to Gary, then :-)
hi xavi
I'm waiting for my svn checkout to finish that's why I'm typing...
:-)
... now it's again the other way around - svn finished, not listening to alain any more - working on my stuff.. ;)
when is your talk?
next week on friday...
Hi all :)
hi nyloth
are you in Montreal?
yes
are you watching us through ustream ?
oh well, there are many faces which I can't recognize, anyway....
:)
yes, I?m the other one shown in http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009#Live
as distant participantys
oups lang. changed to French for a while....
ok
may i suggest something ?
luciash: see the topic ;)
tikiwiki: 03rlopezs * r16984 10/mods/trunk/features/aulawiki/templates/ (3 files): [FIX] changed double div tag at the end of the templates tiki-workspaces_admin.tpl tiki-workspaces_roles.tpl and tiki-workspaces_types.tpl
if there are two projectors at the cgcom maybe one could be used to project in pararel the irc chat window from someone's laptop so people at the tikifest can read what distant participants chat about
nyloth: i asked ;)
luciash, that's a good idea (if not for this meeting, for next meetings)
hihi
luciash: this afternoon it will be possible
cool
nyloth: great to have you there :)
thx
luciash: it's jsut because my plane did'nt crash this time ;p
The audio is weak. Did someone's mic fall off?
rlopez_: welcome! :-)
hi
i just did a commit right now!
you've just fixed three files on aulawiki... :-)
yes, we saw it...
:D
learning php, you know
:-)
SEWilco2: Gary is having a look at the sound ;)
you might be interested in hearing to ALain on his talk about phpunit
and maybe we point people to #tikifest to not confuse users coming for help here with messages from tikifest
at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009
(live right now)
it would be nice if someone could update the tar.gz file of mods.tikiwiki.org with all the new stuff
ok
yes, that meeting in Montreal could be a good place to update mods.tw.o
nyloth, do you know who is in charge of mods.tw.o?
nice
i see you xavi
:D
xavi: in therory... well... me ;p
marclaporte told me, but I don't remember
oh, yes... well, then I remembered well...
it was not a 100% innocent question, sorry :-)
hehe
i'm receiving the audio and video perfectly
nice t-shirts
cool, xavi distant participant :)
ouh, that was much louder mic
xavi, do you have audio off
no, it's far away from me, just in case....
better switch it off, it makes some weird noise
uff something wrong with the mic
ok
I think the mic is far from mouth. There's a lot of background noise.
nope but it doubles what xavi hears i think
ok, much better now...
or put on headphones
audio offf
*g*
it's pity i can't be there
i remember the last tikifest in madrid
shhh, seems xavi is in trouble :)
it was a lot of fun
be back on laterz
oups....luciash I'm glad you didn't hear me :-)
:-D
LOL
Applause is overly loud.
hi sylvieg!
thanks for xavi + gary - to have the vidddeo on
and I bet, luciash that you hardly see me... (it's getting dark here...)
It would help the sound if the audience left and all the computers were turned off. :-)
xavi: i'll switch my broadcast on just to be with you for a while ;)
:-)
(I have problem to understand the non native speakers ;-) speak slower guys....)
sylvieg, a pleasure, but the real work nowadays is being done by Gary
yes but without your job ion madrid - it will have never been done
s/wil/would
sylvieg, well, thanks...
xavi: broadcast started
I can't code php, so I do my best to help as (and when) I can
i see marc
:D
chicken for everyone :-p
marclaporte: chicken for me!
not for me ;)
@xavi
luci, you mihgt feel like a start in an scenario, with all that light on your face...
back in 10 min
*g*
The mic right by the bag. No wonder they're rustling.
nice super professional mic
guillotine t-shirts ;)
i'having some problems with the video
:(
sometimes the stream falls off
I had to restart it to get the new microphone recognized. Sound should be better now.
Also maybe there are random stops for outside reasons; don't know...
hi chibaguy
back
wb
great
yep, i think the sounds is better now
chibaguy: great work with the camera
chibaguy: you're recording the clips right ?
heh, thanks. it's fun,
Yeah, most is recorded.
xavi and others... what do you think, should we all (who is interested in tikifest) move to #tikifest and change the chat module so or stay here ?
there is no much activity in the tikiwiki channel right now... I would say to stay....
okay
amette: you look like real guerilla in da cap and red something on t-shirt ;)
Should this random conversation be recorded as a clip?
as a "random clip"?
heheh
for randomly interested readers???
ok, record started.
well, this looks like chatting for fun (social conversation)....
chibaguy: you can make some "people in action" clips and then you can put the best together in a video editor ;)
Mutter more loudly.
this looks like chat before lunch ;)
Is #tikifest a registered channel, or should it be ##tikifest?
you guessed it. ;-)
heh, I don't have much video editing skill
chibaguy: neither did I two weeks ago... :-)
it would be fun if more "distant participants" streamed on http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009#Live
oui-oui :)
and see all the crap I was able to produce... http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMadrid_videos
The recorded clips from here so far are at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests
luciash: *G* :D
but yeah, that's true - with the red stuff on the shirt ;)
I thought of somehow I look familiar on the stream - but then I decided that it's because it's me :P
but I think your theory makes more sense ;)
time for a cup of coffee ?
amette: *g*
luciash: no, not moving to #tikifest - this is for all the community, so we do it here ( I think #tikifest is a good idea for planning stuff beforehand that's not important for everyone, like accomodation and so on, but not for the fest itself )
now i see you closely, bro ;)
cup of coffe... yeah, still having a bit of coke here, but soon
uh, true
zoomed-out again ;)
phew ;)
luci, you changed.
luciash is twins.
I turned off the recording a while ago; enough randomness for now, I suppose.
chibaguy: yup, sounds reasonable ;)
chibaguy: Well, we don't know how many others are recording. Probably less than the 10 viewers.
I wouldn't think the current show needs to be preserved.
what was his name?
the guy talking at the tikifest, Imean
hey, lph is there also! :-)
Alain, about the testing?
amette: good idea with the cap ;)
chibaguy, no I mean that guy saying that he was interested in (or experienced with) social networking...
with short beard...
close to the door of the room
drinks
oh sorry, I'll check. time to eat now.
and codes
*g*
he's sebatian
sebastian
ah, thanks, chibaguy
don't you go to eat?
i really hope later on we can get some feedback via IRC to the tikifesters if it will become projected
now if a thief comes, we can see him collecting all of these laptops from the table ;)
hehe
luciash: : when Nelson gets here, please do remind us
do we have cssmenus on 2.2 ?
sylvieg woul.d know about cssmenus on 2.2
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16985 10/branches/experimental/jquery/lib/jquery/ (134 files in 11 dirs): [NEW] Additional plugins for JQuery - autocomplete, superfish (effects on suckerfish CSS menus) and reflection
LOL
xavi: surely a little broken if you do not work on the css
yes, we have
Someone needs to donate a web-controllable camera rotator.
sylvieg, it's not me but luciash asking
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16986 10/branches/experimental/jquery/lib/jquery/jquery-tiki-readme.txt: [DOC] Readme about JQuery in Tiki
We can hope some of the tangle of cables are security cables.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16987 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Prefs & admin toggles for JQ autocomplete etc
SEWilco2: heh
luci's and xavi's streams will be particularly puzzling for random ustream visitors. No audio, reactions not connected to anything.
viva jonny :)
SEWilco2: we're titled "Distant Participants", if anybody can read that... :-p
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16988 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Implement JQ autocomplete for QuickEdit module (so far)
go, jonny, go!
luci-tikifest: I was referring to people who find your streams on ustream's site.
SEWilco2: ah, what do you suggest ?
time to quit. See you
luci-tikifest: Just an observation. Don't know if a suggestion is needed.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16989 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js templates/header_jquery.tpl): [NEW] Superfish CSS menu effects (did more with less - that time! :)
Did I miss the Closing Ceremony?
Yup, they gave you a big award, but you were gone.
nope, imho it should continue soon
*g*
wikiman: I knew I should have been recording!
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16990 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (12 files in 6 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 16976 to 16983
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16991 10/branches/2.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] thenews.css: backport of fixes and enhancements from trunk
tikiwiki: 03sewilco * r16992 10/trunk/tiki-list_file_gallery.php: [BUG] fix reversed hit tally test on a gallery.
Streaming back up. Sorry for the downtime.
Nothing going on in this room anyway.
Next door there is a conference call regarding TikiWiki as a term database for natural languages.
A natural semantic web repository?
Something like that. I don't know any details.
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r16993 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php: [FIX] icons: since themes could have their own icons, empty the icon cache when the theme has changed (thx chibaguy)
luciash: can you create a header image for sysadm.tw.o please?
hummm... regression in Tiki3.0 - "WARNING: Plugin disabled toc!" - not so cool... :(
actually that's a _really_ bad one as toc isn't even a plugin afaik
re
amette: yup, i'll send it to you
thanks, bro :)
amette: plugins can have same syntax as {something} now and there's some admin page to enable them iirc
hmmm... ok... I only found Plugin Aliases - but that doesn't seem to be it...
chibaguy: conference call ?
amette: sysadm.tw.o is up already ?
btw, what colour and what should it be about ?
ok, it was broken because after the upgrade the Structures feature of the wiki was disabled - for what reason ever... :O
yep, that's tiki 3.0 since one hour
"TikiWiki SysAdmins' Workspace" as the HomePage says..
... and color - well.. dunno.. take something that isn't taken yet..
... green perhaps? ;)
couldn't we shorten it to admin.tw.o ?
that is also a psychologically calming color - sysadmins need that :P
nope, not really - admin is something else than sysadmin in our community
Sysadmin is actually even shorter than developers ;)
i can't see the homepage probably because the dns change hasn't come to me yet ;)
aaah... yes, I didn't do the DNS-change yet... :P
78.46.199.148
^- for your /etc/hosts ;)
but sysadm looks weird and must be shifted up because of thy "y" :-p
thank you
what about sa.tw.o as a shortcut ?
or i will omit the reflection in this case
ah, THAT part you mean!!!
humm... well, the lower part of the y can be behind the long string, not?
info.tw.o is green, i'll make it black ;)
ah, damn... ;)
how about purple?
what about the broadcast ?
what is with it?
doesn't stream ?
works here - perhaps you need to restart it - sometimes it breaks
ah, it's back again
Sorry, my laptop got overwhelmed and choked, I think.
So I shut down some things and started the streaming again.
bbl
i'll send the logo then
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16994 10/trunk/tiki-admin_include_look.php: [FIX]theme: to have wysiwyg when changing theme
Heh, sorry again, stream back up.
thx chibaguy2
I keep forgetting the video stream depends on my web browser.
:-)
Can you get something interesting out of this small talk?
with dimdim did we have the opportunity for distant to speak...
this morning was perfect chibaguy2 - thx a lot
re again
amette: you can choose purple, dark red or dark grey
(this afternoon I did not have the sound because as usual skype stole my sound control - it it was my fault)
Oh good. Some parts are recorded and on our ustream page. I'll put the links on the tw.o page.
chibaguy2: I fixed the wyiwyg change theme
yes, nyloth told me. thanks.
eh, hi
I jsut got settled in - just arrived in Montreal
hey nelson
cool
hi nelson
nkoth3, review the video clips to see what you missed.;-)
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests
hi nkoth3 :)
hi
cool. i can see
luciash: hmmm, then I think either purple or dark red... though dark grey sounds pretty cool, too...
luciash: what do you think?
perhaps purple? as red is already on dev.tw.o !?
hi sylvieg, I hear your voice on ustream
it is not mine...
imust be lag
or maybe I am looking at archive - let me see
some other girl just appeared here - slyvie's sadly not here
Voice is Marta, I believe. Associate of Alain.
we can not speak....
i see
has somebody experience with dimdim - I am pretty sure that distant people will be able to speak
I don't know if dimdim allows multiple speakers. Probably, if it's just streaming all the Flash streams.
I just read that it allows conferences of up to 20 people...
my next computer is a mac - tired to look after driver for my fedora
{IFRAME(...)}tiki-slideshow_file_gallery.php?fileId="9+10"{IFRAME} is losing the stuff after "=" for some reason.
We were talking to a perl programmer in Oregon who really likes his mac.
All the tools he likes...
sylvieg: I have an HP Pavilion dv9000. All seems OK under Ubuntu Intrepid. Had to load something special for WiFi, but I see comments that it's supposedly fixed in recent Intrepid.
Well, yeah, macs are nice now that they're Unix.
what time will you guys stay at CGCOM till tonight?
and what time are you starting tomorrow?
nkoth3, we're waiting for you, I believe. :-)
Oh, TW 3 has an April release date?
Are you intending to come here?
(tonight?)
SEWilco2, yes.
sylvieg: nyloth and I just found out that user_has_perm_on_object doesn't check for structure permissions...
... and we really need you to find a decent solution.. :)
strucutre permission ? this kind od stuff exists?
nyloth just found a good workaround... one moment...
well, yes and no... ;)
lib/wiki/renderlib.php - line 149
to make it work we inserted: if ( in_array($navigation_info['home']['pageName'],$allowed_pages_from_structs) || $tikilib->user_has_perm_on_object($this->user,$navigation_info['home']['pageName'],'wiki page','tiki_p_edit','tiki_p_edit_categorized'))
ah and before $allowed_pages_from_structs[] = $t_structs['pageName'];
otherwise a user without tiki_p_admin is not allowed to insert a page into a structure - the input box for it just doesn't get shown
and what is it - if the strucure header has no perm, the other pages do not have?
strucure main page
yes, all the pages have the right perms
I have no idea what are structures perms - guys
there is no such thing as structure perms I think...
... but there is this thing struct_editable which doesn't get set to 'y' although users have the right permissions on the object
http://pastebin.com/m6f5075c6
we added line 19 and added the first part of the check on line 22
I think you understand better when reading code instead of what I'm talking ;)
sylvieg: we tried dimdim with xavi but it was extremely unusable
and just found out that our hack really isn't enough... cause it breaks as soon as you try to "Add page"...
File gallery slideshow updates every 2 seconds. Seems like a vision test, not a relaxing display.
... so maybe there is later another check like this, which breaks because of the same reason - we think it should go into the check_object_perms...
sylvieg: try ubuntu instead of fedora (drivers are usually well supported)
:-)
luciash: when you were looking for the ID in svn - did you find something about the year ? (it will solve or copyright dilemma)
sylvieg: unfortunatelly not
amette: what tagline you want there ?
or no tagline ?
(c)2002-2009 by ... with 2009 the year of the last commit
sylvieg: i understand you but i don't think it's possible
ah, "TikiWiki SysAdmins' Workspace", ok
luciash: yeah, but could there be something cooler? If it is going to be a "Tagline"... :)
sylvieg: Update the instructions for the copyright notice to state that the year should be updated when the file is edited.
SEWilco2: nobody will follow it ;)
it would be best if we could avoid the year as sylvie suggested
luciash: Well, it might help if that obscure page was copied/linked in a couple more places on dev. It's hard to find.
luciash: Copyright law requires the date in a copyright notice.
$LastChangedDate$ will gives the date
sylvieg: but it will be there then all
you want there something like "(c) 2002 - $LastChangedDate: 2009 $" ?
The format should be "Copyright 2007 Jane Doe" http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.html
perhaps we can play with svn propset and then I suppose we can disply the property in the file...
bye all
bye nyloth ;)
I asked a lawyer once. "(c)" is not the same as © unless you can persuade a jury. The word "Copyright" is acceptable.
yup, (c) doesn't have any legal consequences - but htat way it also doesn't hurt ;)
SEWilco2: did you check the devel list - Michael Rish is a long time tiki user - and a laywer (I help him often - so we can ask him)
Having "Copyright (c) 2007 Jane Doe" is not quite the recommended "Copyright 2007 Jane Doe", so (c) might hurt. If (c) were a date then it wouldn't hurt.
there's some echo now
Someone's laptop is too close.
of the mic and some speakers
yup
:)
but the sound was very good today....
Sounded like 2000 Hz, if someone wants to calculate the likely distance to the speaker.
:-)
yeah, chibaguy2 has good equipment :)
now we need a way to communicate back
yep, chibaguy1 has much worse one ;)
LOL :P
*g*
what about the idea of projecting the IRC channel on the wall for the participants ?
I think we don't have a second projector
Someone in the room could run IRC under Orca, so the IRC channel is read aloud.
I don't know if I installed Orca on Ubuntu or if it came installed. Applications > Universal Access > Orca
Sorry about the feedback. You're right, luciash, laptop speaker too close to mic.
SEWilco2, low number of people in the room probably precludes need for calculations. ;-)
amette: sending you the logo, but i hear you go to have some beer, so, have fun !
thanks :)
looks like we're leaving here in about 15 minutes.
So the feed will soon die..
I mean stream
thx so much gary
Oh, dear. The copyright symbol is required for international protection. The word "Copyright" is not enough. Required format is © 2007 John Doe
According to the blue text in http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.html#form
wow, some germans there :-)
Sure sylvieg, my pleasure.
Will be back tomorrow 9am Montreal time.
ok, bye for now guys
bye bye
c u tomorrow bro
cu :)
bye
well, the question is, does the copyright notice has to be in every file ? isn't referring to one copyright.txt enough ?
can one file of a particular Tiki release be expired from LGPL to public domain after some years earlier than the others ?
agree with you luciash - it is why I was suprised about the answer - last modif date for each file
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