#tikiwiki 2009-02-28,Sat

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Who	What	When
luciash	amette: please svn up styles/thenews.css on dev.tw.o and doc.tw.o (or whoever else has a ssh access)	[00:03]
marclaporte	amette is at the pub	[00:07]
luciash	marclaporte: i know, but later he'll come back hopefully :) marclaporte: aren't you there too ?	[00:08]
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luciash	luciash going to bed, c u tomorrow	[00:21]
marclaporte	just closing up luciash: can you help with Site Identity issues? just sent mail on dev list I want to use Site Identity for WikiSym 2009 site as great dogfood	[00:26]
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sylvieg	siteIdentity from my experience is working for one site - never use it in a multisite contex	[01:07]
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SEWilco2	That's odd. My TW 3 test site has The News theme now, but I configured it for a different theme quite a while ago. Maybe the other admin changed the theme, but it's unlikely he chose to do that tonight. And I don't see any menus. How odd. Well, I'll look at it more tomorrow.	[06:09]
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luciash	polom polom	[10:38]
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amette	polom	[14:27]
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chibaguy	Good morning from TikiFest Montreal 2009.	[14:29]
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chibaguy	Video streaming has started. :-) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests	[14:29]
luciash	luciash poloms back :) no audio ? luciash waves at nelson, nyloth and amette :)	[14:30]
sylvieg	hello	[14:32]
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nyloth	hi all	[14:34]
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sylvieg	thx gary	[14:38]
chibaguy	still working on the microphone. Our fancy mic doesn't seem to work this morning. Are you getting sound?	[14:39]
sylvieg	just a little bit - sound is low can not understand marc	[14:40]
luciash	chibaguy: oh, what a pity	[14:40]
sylvieg	but 10mn ago was ok better	[14:40]
chibaguy	Any sound now?	[14:41]
sylvieg	out again	[14:41]
chibaguy	ok, I'm going to switch usb ports. one moment please...	[14:42]
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chibaguy1	Streaming on again. How's the sound? VU meter shows sound. Oh, wait, just now turned on streaming.	[14:46]
sylvieg	perfect	[14:47]
luciash	hm, no sound for me, must be my desktop, grr	[14:48]
chibaguy1	try again, luciash, it's been on and off here quite a bit	[14:48]
luciash	hmm, sound from my mic is ok	[14:50]
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sylvieg	oops	[14:51]
chibaguy1	heh. mic fell down.	[14:52]
luciash	oops ? ah :) damn, my FF hanged up again i'll try flock or something else g, does one say "hanged up" about a browser ?	[14:52]
amette	hang/hung/hung up - yes, it's just an irregular verb	[14:54]
luciash	does it hang up then as a hang-man ?	[14:55]
amette	yup	[14:55]
luciash	g, weird to imagine that ;)	[14:55]
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luciash	amette: is the logo good ?	[14:55]
sylvieg	:-)	[14:56]
amette	Yeah, looks good, didn't examine it too well yet - I'll soon build it in the site, then you can have a look	[14:57]
luciash	would be maybe better if the T contained some "$ _" or "# _" blended in it ;)	[14:58]
uSlacker	Hello to all TikiFest participants! Great to see you all	[15:01]
sylvieg	what time is the meeting with Jonny?	[15:02]
chibaguy1	11am	[15:03]
sylvieg	thx	[15:03]
uSlacker	suddenly there is a real bad echo	[15:05]
luciash	problem with audio playbeck, brb	[15:05]
chibaguy1	echo still a problem? I don't notice it here (monitoring).	[15:08]
uSlacker	figured it out. I loaded the ustream feed then went to the tikifest page. Interesting effect	[15:08]
chibaguy1	right. make sure only one window of stream at a time. I did that too, before.	[15:09]
uSlacker	The tikifest page doesn't get the bubble ads! So, who's speaking (lots of ignorance here). Is that Marc?	[15:10]
luciash	re	[15:13]
sylvieg	I have a list of commits in a - I stop to do it on sept - But i can continue it	[15:13]
chibaguy1	yes, that's Marc	[15:13]
sylvieg	in a 'good' English' so far I can do ti ;-) will update the list this week and publy it somewhere	[15:14]
luciash	uSlacker: what do you mean by bubble adverts ? woot, sound is back :)	[15:14]
uSlacker	on the ustream page, they pop up adverts over the stream every 30 seconds or so	[15:15]
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uSlacker	they cover the bottom 15% of the stream window	[15:15]
sylvieg	which page marc is on?	[15:15]
uSlacker	he was working from tikifestmontreal2009	[15:15]
luciash	who came in ? :)	[15:15]
uSlacker	nice mic! great - Intros! speak up!	[15:16]
luciash	luciash streams back	[15:18]
uSlacker	luciash: haven't had a problem here. Sound & stream have been fine	[15:19]
luciash	it's ok already	[15:19]
uSlacker	you look great now!	[15:19]
luciash	:)	[15:19]
uSlacker	who's the gentleman to Marc's left?	[15:20]
luciash	are you looking via ustream.tv site or http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009#Live ?	[15:21]
sylvieg	march is between Olaf-Michael Stefanov and Jean-Marc Libs marc sorry	[15:21]
uSlacker	I'm on the tikifest page thx	[15:21]
luciash	Jungle Tiki :) sound is lower suddenly	[15:22]
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luciash	ah, it's ok again	[15:23]
uSlacker	Well, daughter's 16th b'day today plus she has a hockey game. I'll have to jump out for while.	[15:24]
luciash	uSlacker: sure :)	[15:25]
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ricks99	hello tikifesters :)	[15:27]
sylvieg	hello ricks99	[15:27]
luciash	helloya what, another private conference is planned in the other room ?	[15:28]
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luciash	good :) it's working sound is ok here	[15:29]
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amette	luciash: check it out, logo is added	[15:30]
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luciash	amette: kewl !	[15:30]
amette	I wonder: shouldn't it have a genitiv apostrophe after the Sysadmins?	[15:31]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r16995 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [UI] Don't display "Go back" link when it does not make sense	[15:32]
luciash	oh, no idea, i'm no native speaker... i thought it's simmilar to "tikiwiki developers site" ask gary ;)	[15:32]
amette	which is imho wrong also :P chibaguy1: ping ;)	[15:33]
ricks99	should actually be developers' (plural possessive)	[15:33]
luciash	ok, let's fix it then	[15:33]
amette	great, that's what I meant - thanks, ricks99 :)	[15:33]
chibaguy1	yeah, that's most accurate.	[15:33]
amette	:)	[15:33]
luciash	amette: have you read the svn up request ?	[15:33]
amette	nope ok, I'll quickly do it on doc for testing..	[15:33]
ricks99	or could simply be "developer site"	[15:34]
luciash	amette: thx bro	[15:35]
amette	ah, well, I can do it on dev too ok, done smoke break ;)	[15:35]
luciash	ricks99: "TikiWiki Developer Site" ? hahah :)	[15:35]
amette	for real! :)	[15:35]
ricks99	y. note that the site title currently reads "tikiwiki develoment site" should match (imho)	[15:35]
luciash	amette: i almost forgot your smoke breaks ;)	[15:36]
amette	just finished organizing our day here and now I will start working, but need to stop my hands from shaking, first ;)	[15:36]
ricks99	make all sites parallel structure: "developer site", "community site", "documentation site"	[15:36]
chibaguy1	It'd probably be better to not use possessive. (no apostrophe), right? that's a little conversational style, not so official seeming.	[15:36]
luciash	ricks99: ok, so "TikiWiki Sysadmin Area" would be corrct ? *correct ?	[15:37]
ricks99	y luciash	[15:38]
luciash	and if there's plural there must be the apostrophe after s ?	[15:38]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r16996 10/trunk/testGD.php: [FIX] Has been replaced by tiki-testGD.php	[15:38]
ricks99	i agree with gary -- drop the possessives completely	[15:38]
luciash	ok what's on schedule now ? waiting for ... ? for end of the amette's smokebreak ?	[15:39]
chibaguy1	I don't know. Everybody's busy at their keyboards....	[15:43]
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luciash	heheh	[15:43]
chibaguy1	Monkeys of the Tiki jungle....	[15:43]
luciash	what about if i omit the taglines completely and we put them there using custom code + CSS as regular text ? from the logos g ok, so we go finally to rename Tiki to Joongla ? ;)	[15:44]
chibaguy1	Yes, I think the tag lines are a little too cluttered-looking. sure, luciash, Joomla guys wouldn't mind, I'm sure... ;-)	[15:44]
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xavi	polom	[15:45]
luciash	i think so too (after some while looking at them back) and it would make more easy to adjust them or even make them translatable	[15:45]
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luciash	heya xavi ! my distant participant fellow ! :D g he just quitted so fast :D	[15:46]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r16997 10/trunk/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta1	[15:46]
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luciash	woot, bro is back wb xavi :-p	[15:47]
nkoth3	hi - anyone used the release.php now? I am trying to build a prerelease tarball :) looks like it created secdb automatically	[15:48]
xavi	hi luciash and all	[15:48]
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xavi	hi jonnyb !	[15:49]
jonnyb	hi xavi - hi all! :)	[15:49]
luciash	skype can record too, right ? heya jonny !	[15:49]
jonnyb	greetings	[15:49]
marclaporte	jonnyb: : soon ready?	[15:49]
jonnyb	i can record audio on skype, no sure about video	[15:49]
luciash	will it be audio conference call or video conference ?	[15:50]
ricks99	bbl	[15:51]
chibaguy1	audio	[15:51]
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jonnyb	audio i guess i have webcam too	[15:51]
chibaguy1	+ will be streamed via ustream.tv on our side. (ambience)	[15:51]
luciash	cool	[15:53]
chibaguy1	we're going to use a regular phone on this side, for the speaker....	[15:53]
jonnyb	coo - there's an email (on devel) from someone about a Northumbrian tiki (The Northumbrian Pipers' Society) - that's where i am at the moment!	[15:53]
luciash	thanks for svn up amette, dev trackers look much better now	[15:54]
jonnyb	need to disappear for 5 mins - back at 11:00(ish)	[15:55]
luciash	jonnyb: physically at their hq ?	[15:55]
jonnyb	no, just in the county or northumberland (i'm usually in London) brb	[15:56]
luciash	okay :) quotes look cool here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hello+World hey btw, guys and gals, we have great opportunity to have a Satellite TV report about this TikiFest ! if you can make some interview(s) over there that would be great to use it...	[15:56]
jonnyb	back - woo!	[16:00]
chibaguy1	Marc pointed out that the quote plugin wasn't very noticeable.	[16:00]
luciash	marclaporte: what do you think ?	[16:01]
chibaguy1	(only italics before)	[16:01]
luciash	chibaguy1: yep, thanks for enhancing the CSS	[16:01]
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chibaguy1	sure	[16:02]
marclaporte	yes, I like this now! clear looks like email client indentation	[16:03]
jonnyb	is the ustream thing working? i'm not getting video	[16:04]
luciash	what format do you store the footage ? what kind of video camera is that ? jonnyb: yep, it's working for me	[16:05]
chibaguy1	camera is a Sony HandyCam (small digital tape) has usb streaming function	[16:06]
marclaporte	friends: we are soon starting conference call	[16:06]
chibaguy1	I don't know what the format of saved shows is. (on ustream server)	[16:06]
marclaporte	about Quicktags/toolbar and jquery meeting is streamed (audio & video)	[16:06]
luciash	great	[16:06]
marclaporte	and you can respond via IRC we'll read you here on projector	[16:06]
luciash	chibaguy1: ah, thanks for info, i'm not sure it would be usable for TV (NTSC format size) but i'll try to find out	[16:08]
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luciash	marclaporte: great chibaguy1: but if you have a spare tape and can get it to computer then via dv cable a little interview and few shots would be great...	[16:08]
nkoth3	I think release.php is written in such a way that I have to create the new branch first. I think ther eis another script for that...	[16:10]
luciash	chibaguy1: it could be aired on english.ntdtv.com if we put it together here	[16:10]
jonnyb	hey, i can see this irc chat on ustream! :D	[16:10]
luciash	jonnyb: yes, i played with it a bit ;)	[16:10]
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luciash	chibaguy1: we can make few shots here then me sitting in front of my computer and participating directly ;)	[16:11]
sylvieg	+1	[16:11]
xavi	yes yes we can	[16:11]
sylvieg	yes	[16:12]
luciash	ok, conference starts, lets focus on it now :) g :) sound is perfect, jonnyb :)	[16:12]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r16998 10/branches/3.0/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 16997	[16:14]
sylvieg	sylvieg did not have time to commit her last new features.....	[16:15]
xavi	sounds good... :-) european tikifests...	[16:18]
luciash	yep	[16:18]
nkoth3	sylvieg: sorry abt that. when were you planning on committing those?	[16:18]
sylvieg	np nkoth3 I can commit in trunk - I will commit as soon there is no more bugs (and listening you guys and debugging is not efficcient)	[16:19]
nkoth3	thanks sylvieg	[16:20]
luciash	it's fine gary	[16:20]
nyloth	ok for quickbars ;)	[16:21]
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luciash	how do they call it in WikiMedia ? i know the have a Toolbox name for the module on the left...	[16:22]
sylvieg	quicktag / freetag are too close name with no connection	[16:22]
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nkoth3	its a toolbar in mediawiki	[16:23]
nyloth	toolbar is fine for me	[16:23]
sylvieg	but you drap and drop for Bold - what does it mean?	[16:23]
luciash	yep, toolbar sounds good, it's the same for FCKeditor right ?	[16:23]
sylvieg	ah admin panel	[16:23]
luciash	do you see our IRC messages at the tikifest ?	[16:24]
sylvieg	but toolbar is the place where are the icons	[16:24]
amette	nope, not right now... .... marc as his browser fullscreen and no other projector available	[16:24]
luciash	amette: ok	[16:25]
sylvieg	why not icon from a file gal?	[16:26]
luciash	sylvieg: ? icon for what ?	[16:26]
sylvieg	icon for menu	[16:26]
nyloth	sylvieg: could be an option	[16:27]
luciash	jonnyb: i've commited correctPNG for IE6 but it doesn't work with background images, so it would need redo the big Admin icons, because they're actually background images in the boxes	[16:28]
sylvieg	I do not believe that we will offer enough icons for all the need - and we will have license problem...	[16:28]
luciash	luciash has also some ideas for revamping the mnu_application_menu	[16:29]
jonnyb	luciash: we can use conditional css for ie6 to use 8bit bg images	[16:29]
nyloth	FI, for those who are interested in testing icons for menus, this part was commited in ui_revamp2 experimental branch	[16:30]
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sylvieg	nyloth: do you plan to merge into trunk (3?) because it is not risky at ell...	[16:31]
nyloth	sylvieg: it's not risky at all, but it depends on the others opinion	[16:31]
luciash	the Admin > Admin Home section should be renamed to Admin > Preferences (imho) (all what goes to preferences table)	[16:31]
nyloth	(I'd like to have chibaguy feedback too)	[16:32]
sylvieg	sylvieg doing a svn up ui-revamp2	[16:32]
luciash	the rest is admin-something what is actually administering the enabled features (not preferences) also would be nice if every section like Wiki, Galleries, Blogs, Trackers, etc. would have an Admin link and a Preferences link if logged as admin and it can be more than 1 level (the submenus)	[16:34]
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sylvieg	maintain antoher branch is a painful procees if we choose jquery - it is now my 2 cetns	[16:36]
jonnyb	+1	[16:38]
sylvieg	jonnyb: is it painful to merge or you work in very isolated places	[16:38]
luciash	the final goodie would be that admin could choose to display last created items or items selected "display them in menu) under the expandable menu (setting max items to display), like Trackers > My Test Tracker > Item 1, or Wiki > HomPage, Wiki > My Test Wiki Page, etc. some way they can be inserted to be displayed dynamically ;)	[16:38]
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xavi	good idea, luciash (I hope it's not difficult to implement...)	[16:39]
luciash	xavi: you got nice light there today evening ;) xavi: i hope too :-p	[16:39]
sylvieg	xavi did you put your tw teeshirst ;-) and luciash too (I have no tw teeshirt)	[16:40]
luciash	sylvieg: yup, got no one on last tikifest ? what a pity	[16:41]
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luciash	s/no one/none luciash goes svn up jquery branch	[16:42]
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xavi	luciash, I chaged the webcam... thats why :-) (light is the same, but I'm using a conceptronics webcam, because logitech's decided not to work today). And this other one has better luminosity ...	[16:44]
luciash	URL to see it in action on the original superfish site: http://users.tpg.com.au/j_birch/plugins/superfish/#examples xavi: wow	[16:44]
xavi	sylvieg: Yes, nowadays, I have two (!): one from TikiFestPorto and another from TikiFestMadrid...	[16:44]
SEWilco2	I had to refresh the tw.o page this morning to make the stream wake up.	[16:45]
xavi	sylvieg: which is your size (of T-Shirt, Imean :-) )... so that you can receive another type of present... ;-)	[16:45]
sylvieg	if the storm is not too strong tomoorow I will go to Montreal	[16:46]
nyloth	cool :)	[16:46]
xavi	great!	[16:46]
sylvieg	waiting for the broadcast	[16:46]
chibaguy1	yay sylvieg!	[16:46]
sylvieg	we will have 3 days of snow storm in Boston :-(	[16:47]
xavi	oups	[16:47]
nyloth	sylvieg: so you'll be better here I suppose ;)	[16:47]
sylvieg	yeh mintreal is fine - it is this kind of coast storm	[16:48]
luciash	i don't know why this z-index should be necessary, it works without in thenews.css iirc	[16:48]
	it doesn't show admin info onmouseover here even when enabled	[16:55]
jonnyb	:(	[16:55]
luciash	it's weird because it doesn't show even as a link, only plain text jonnyb: superfish menu works here though :)	[16:56]
sylvieg	nyloth: fresh install ui-revamp2 - I have sql error insert into `tiki_menus` (`name`,`description`,`type`,`icon`,`use_items_icons`) values('test','test','d','')	[16:57]
nyloth	sylvieg: thx, there's a missing value it seems	[16:58]
nkoth3	I just discovered that mb_string is not a default php extension	[16:59]
sylvieg	nyloth: fresh install I also have Unknown column 'use_items_icons' in 'field list'	[16:59]
nkoth3	we now need it for tiki I think	[16:59]
sylvieg	nkoth3: yes but we have a 'default function I think	[16:59]
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nkoth3	sylvieg: what do you mean "default" function?	[17:00]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16999 10/branches/experimental/ui-revamp2/lib/menubuilder/menulib.php: sql error	[17:00]
sylvieg	if (!function_exist('mb_string') ) function mb_string() {	[17:00]
luciash	marclaporte: i think we don't have lot of stuff depending on mootools and what there is it already works with jquery too if i am not mistaken	[17:01]
sylvieg	there was the mypage from niclone .... but it has been removed from trunk	[17:01]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes, field missing in tiki.sql. Are you on the fix ?	[17:02]
luciash	but as it will be optional to use mootools or jquery, it could be there anyway ?	[17:02]
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nyloth	sylvieg: (if not, i'll do right now)	[17:02]
luciash	if we put jquery there now, ppl will start using it and develop on it	[17:02]
sylvieg	ok ahead - thx nyloth	[17:02]
luciash	and be happy having it available	[17:02]
sylvieg	tom is using a lot of mootools - but he is not committing back .... I suppose we can ignore the problem	[17:03]
luciash	sylvieg: we can still keep mootools in (have it optional) and maybe remove mootools later to mods for 4.0 marclaporte: preferences for jquery is on Admin > Look & Feel then luciash votes for merging it to 3.0 asap beta +1 it's not candidate preview,alpha,beta but not RC yet	[17:03]
nyloth	no preference	[17:08]
sylvieg	do we have a page with blocking bugs?	[17:09]
nyloth	I don't think so	[17:09]
jonnyb	yes, isn't that on roadmap? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process	[17:09]
luciash	no preference ?	[17:11]
xavi	after 5 min checking several jquery plugins for slideshows, from the end user point of view and what I read on their pages, why not starting with: "JQuery Cycle Plugin" ?: http://malsup.com/jquery/cycle/ my 2 cents lightweight, and versatile...	[17:13]
sylvieg	how do we do svn diff jquery with trunk?	[17:13]
jonnyb	that's what i'm wondering...	[17:14]
sylvieg	svn diff -r 16997 even if 16997 in trunk is not working	[17:14]
luciash	and documntation	[17:14]
jonnyb	hatnks xavi - nice cycle thingy also, thanks ;)	[17:16]
xavi	welcome, you know, jonnyb	[17:16]
luciash	heh, does it look like bicycle ? luciash goes to check .)	[17:16]
xavi	:-)	[17:17]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17000 10/branches/experimental/ui-revamp2/db/ (7 files): [FIX] fix missing sql definitions	[17:18]
luciash	ah, funny effects :)	[17:18]
sylvieg	:-) eperimental mootools - I like that - but it is true thx nyloth	[17:19]
luciash	installer profile would offer it +1 maybe with (Experimental) note	[17:20]
jonnyb	yy	[17:21]
nyloth	sylvieg: I agree with you, there is a lack of an easy way to obtain a diff between an experimental branch and trunk... this worry me	[17:22]
sylvieg	I can locally do a merge - at least this will work	[17:22]
nyloth	sylvieg: ok, if you do so, I'm interested in how many files are affected	[17:23]
nkoth3	jonnyb/others, have you tried the docs/devtools/svnbranchreview.php?	[17:24]
nyloth	nkoth3: no, I was not aware of this	[17:24]
luciash	it can definitely bring some new people users or devs	[17:24]
jonnyb	nkoth3: that's sounds like the one!	[17:25]
nkoth3	sylvieg: try svnbranchreview.php	[17:25]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17001 10/branches/experimental/ui-revamp2/lib/menubuilder/menulib.php: sql error	[17:26]
nyloth	I have no problem with jquery being merged into trunk right now, but I think we should have a more general discussion about when to merge experimental branches back into trunk. It should not be done just before a technical release, but just after a final release, IMO	[17:26]
sylvieg	nyloth where do I give the icon to an option?	[17:26]
nyloth	sylvieg: in lokk and feel s/lokk/look/ sylvieg: It's a feature to activate in admin look and feel + an option in each menu when activated, you can have a look at the menu 42 which has default icons	[17:27]
sylvieg	what do I give for icon? a path?	[17:29]
nyloth	sylvieg: right now, it's an id (since the underlaying stuff uses smarty icon) in pics/large folder (ie. the name of an image there, witthout the file extension)	[17:30]
sylvieg	ah...	[17:30]
nyloth	sylvieg: I agree we could allow to pick an image through the filegals or with a full path. No problem for me sylvieg: using id allows to have pics/large folders in each theme folder	[17:31]
sylvieg	yeh sure - perhaps it is possible to have a dropdow of all the possibilities	[17:32]
nyloth	yes why not	[17:32]
sylvieg	I do not see the icon in the preview when I edit an option with an icon - I lost the icon ...	[17:34]
nkoth3	sylvieg: sorry, just now you were saying what default?	[17:35]
nyloth	sylvieg: maybe a bug, didn't saw this problem before	[17:35]
sylvieg	nkoth3: ??	[17:36]
nkoth3	when I was asking about the mb_string	[17:36]
sylvieg	nyloth: I put eye - but I see nothing in a tiki menu -	[17:36]
xavi	thanks jonnyb	[17:37]
sylvieg	thx jonnyb	[17:37]
jonnyb	thanks all	[17:37]
sylvieg	nkoth3: loosig my brain.... where is it	[17:37]
xavi	jonnyb: they would drink all you beer, so take yours safely in UK ;-)	[17:37]
jonnyb	:D	[17:38]
luciash	heh	[17:38]
xavi	s/all you beer/all your beer	[17:38]
nkoth3	on one of my server, I get Call to undefined function mb_internal_encoding() in /var/www/html/3.0/tiki-setup_base.php on line 508	[17:38]
jonnyb	bibi - more later	[17:38]
luciash	bye jonny	[17:38]
sylvieg	loosing the sound...	[17:38]
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xavi	maybe the mic is using batteries, and they are loosing power?	[17:39]
chibaguy1	usb powered...	[17:39]
xavi	same happened here some minutes ago... I had to turn the speakers louder...	[17:39]
chibaguy1	I just turned up the audio control	[17:39]
sylvieg	better thx gary	[17:39]
luciash	xavi: now i get chocked too when i switched from flock to firefox with lot of opened tabs	[17:40]
xavi	ok, good enough anyway, for me. and better here also... thanks Gary for taking care of overseas attendants :-)	[17:40]
luciash	hrm, now it gets interupted here too	[17:43]
sylvieg	nkoth3: for mb_internal_encoding - ask tricia - she is sit close to you	[17:44]
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sylvieg	she added the line - I did not know why - but IO thought it was not too bad - but I did not think the mb is optional	[17:44]
chibaguy1	olaf's firefox shows no text on mouseovers on the admin icons, when there's only one word. Multiple words display ok. He says other users have reported the same thing.	[17:44]
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chibaguy1	Sound is great when people are huddled around the mic. ;-)	[17:47]
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sylvieg	oh soory tricia puts back the line she commented	[17:49]
luciash	sylvieg: i thought she rollbacked the accidental commit, nope ?	[17:50]
sylvieg	yes sorry nkoth3: the compat funstions are in lib/setup/compat.php	[17:50]
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xavi	hello	[17:52]
sylvieg	nyloth: tikiwiki/trunk/tiki-setup_base.php?r1=15125&r2=15132 you delete the check on the mb_ existence - and now nkoth3 is stucked	[17:53]
amette	luciash: sysadm.tw.o now accessible without /etc/hosts - it's moved back to it's old IP hi xavi :)	[17:53]
luciash	ok, that's why i couldn't connect to it recently	[17:54]
xavi	could you right here the url that this woman said?	[17:54]
nyloth	sylvieg: could you please reinstall a ui_revamp2 and have a look ?	[17:54]
xavi	s/right/write	[17:54]
nyloth	sylvieg: after an svn up	[17:54]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17002 10/branches/experimental/ui-revamp2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] enable the icons for menu 42 by default (the admin still need to enable the global feature) + fix default icons for menu 42 for new installs	[17:54]
xavi	chibaguy1: could you please write here the url of that place she's talking aobut? relted to biomed central?	[17:55]
amette	http://biomedcom.org/tikiwiki/	[17:56]
sylvieg	nkoth3: should be better	[17:56]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17003 10/trunk/tiki-setup_base.php: [FIX]mb: reintroduce the test to mb existence as th mb strings is not by default in php	[17:57]
xavi	thanks amette	[17:57]
chibaguy1	http://www.biomedcom.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php chibaguy1 too slow ;-)	[17:58]
xavi	thanks anyway chibaguy1 :-)	[17:59]
amette	;)	[17:59]
nyloth	chibaguy1: sure, you don't stop playing with the cam ;p	[17:59]
sylvieg	tricia: you can split the 300 different fields in different apges - ask sebastian at cgcom nyloth: did you do the icon menu in each menu layout (phplayer, tiki, css)?	[18:00]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes	[18:03]
sylvieg	hie	[18:03]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17004 10/branches/3.0/tiki-setup_base.php: [FIX]mb: reintroduce the test to mb existence as th mb strings is not by default in php	[18:03]
nyloth	sylvieg: hie ?	[18:03]
sylvieg	hello :-)	[18:03]
nyloth	:)	[18:03]
sylvieg	tricia louder - I can not hear thx sound better	[18:03]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17005 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta1	[18:14]
sylvieg	using what? vista?	[18:14]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes sylvieg: ff on vista	[18:15]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17006 10/trunk/ (lang/fr/language.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): [ENH] Translations in installer	[18:16]
nkoth3	single word img title tags not appearing on firefox on vista	[18:17]
nyloth	sylvieg: did you have a look at icons in menus ? (should work better in tikinews theme I think)	[18:17]
sylvieg	still not working	[18:18]
nyloth	sylvieg: what's not working ? preview is not done yet	[18:19]
sylvieg	no the modules	[18:19]
nyloth	you don't see any icons ?	[18:20]
sylvieg	no I put eye as icon name for isnatnce	[18:20]
luciash	sylvieg: cache cleared ?	[18:21]
nyloth	sylvieg: 'eye.png' does not exist in pics/large	[18:21]
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nyloth	(the background noise is mainly amette typing on his laptop with a lot of energy ;) )	[18:22]
amette	oops, sorry :P	[18:22]
sylvieg	nyloth: I acn not have it working...	[18:22]
nyloth	sylvieg: at least, after enabling the feature, you should see icons in the menu 42 without doing anything else	[18:23]
sylvieg	ok on aplic menu I haev big ?	[18:24]
luciash	nyloth: ROFL	[18:24]
sylvieg	what do you put in the Icon field ? help for instance?	[18:25]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[18:25]
nyloth	sylvieg: you should have more than '?' icons. Have you svn up ? sylvieg: svn up + reinstall database in the field, if you want, for example, pics/large/intertiki48x48.png , then you have to put 'intertiki48x48' luciash: :)	[18:25]
luciash	amette is lucky he got hard-typing proof ThinkPad so he had not to go to warranty service every month ;)	[18:27]
amette	yup, yup - best laptop keyboards _ever_ :)	[18:27]
sylvieg	snif ,,.. I redid the dddb - but I lost my menus ... ok I have icon in the main menu :-)	[18:29]
nyloth	:) sylvieg: so, probably improvments needed, but it's a start to have a default application menu with big icons sylvieg: I kept the same icons as in admin panel	[18:29]
luciash	luciash wonders how those big icons look in the menu	[18:31]
nyloth	luciash: just checkout ui_revamp2, make a default install, and enable the first checkbox in admin - look and feel - other	[18:32]
sylvieg	ah icon are only for section? not option? I have a toggle on my local menu but the 'eye' icon is still nto showing	[18:33]
luciash	chibaguy1: the camera mode does some fancy RGB color effects on LCD and projected screens, can you have a look later if it can be setup in the camera menu to some TV or Screen shooting mode ? (It's usually caused by the low screen vertical and horizontal refresh that they appear so) chibaguy1: but if it's not easily fixable don't worry about it, it's not that bad, just noticeable	[18:35]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes, just sections. The initial goal was to be able to fold the menu and keep only icons (so, just icons for sections) sylvieg: 'eye.png' does not exist in pics/large	[18:36]
luciash	tikifesters: aren't you hungry people ? no lunch time today ? ;)	[18:37]
nyloth	no lunch before the last day of the tikifest	[18:38]
luciash	g	[18:39]
nyloth	:)	[18:40]
luciash	aah, amette is already eating ! :D	[18:40]
sylvieg	ah	[18:41]
xavi	and I bet that the others are wondering "when are we going to stop for food?", but don't dare to ask... bring some pizzas to the room, and you'll see who is hungry... :-)	[18:41]
sylvieg	ok pics/icons/eye.png is working ... it is magnified but working	[18:41]
xavi	at least, that's kind of what we did in Madrid (kind-of, just kidding, but the pizzas were delicious)	[18:42]
nyloth	hehe... he should not... Marc is supposed to get some pizzas soon :) how many pizzas here ? sylvieg: ok :) it's due to how icon plugin works	[18:42]
xavi	sylvieg, add the icon of a big pizza, to see if they react!	[18:43]
chibaguy1	there is a little to eat in the reception area (left over from yesterday). lunch should be soon (I hope).	[18:43]
nyloth	chibaguy1: we have to make some pressure on marc for this ;)	[18:43]
xavi	yes, I knew it, Gary confessed it ! :-)	[18:43]
sylvieg	nyloth: also I loose the fact a tiki menu section is open - perhaps it is not a bug?	[18:45]
Jyhem	Ah, Marc is ordering pizza :-)	[18:46]
luciash	bbl, dog walk	[18:46]
sylvieg	nyloth: it works fine with phplayers (my small icons are small) +1 for the menus icons	[18:46]
nyloth	sylvieg: what do you mean by "loosing the fact a tiki menu section is open" ? Is should work nice	[18:47]
sylvieg	thx nyloth	[18:47]
nyloth	sylvieg: thx	[18:47]
sylvieg	in the application menu if I open the admin section - next page it is closed	[18:47]
nyloth	sylvieg: there is probably some more tuning to do, but it should not hurt to merge since it's optional too	[18:47]
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sylvieg	yes I think so - and it is a long time whish	[18:48]
nyloth	sylvieg: this behavior should not be related to icons. strange	[18:48]
sylvieg	nyloth: I switched back to application menu without icon - the section stays open	[18:49]
nyloth	sylvieg: ok, no idea yet	[18:50]
sylvieg	good point nyloth - we should change the message? are you really sure??? because if you put the file on disk it is read by chunck.. it is only if you work on memory	[18:51]
nkoth3	just purely to test the release package script: I have created some preview packages.... can help test/check if it's ok? http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip	[18:54]
sylvieg	ok I test	[18:54]
nkoth3	http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz	[18:54]
xavi	ok I test also	[18:55]
nkoth3	http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2	[18:55]
nyloth	sylvieg: for file uploads, you tiki will always use a certain amount of memory sylvieg: but it uses more memory when storing in database (twice the size of the file + tiki size, instead of file + tiki size)	[18:55]
sylvieg	the twice the size can be fixed - I think... i do not know to much - my test was not showing that - but it is a long time ago...	[18:56]
nyloth	sylvieg: I didn't found a way to fix it. It uses twice the size due to the php function that make sure the data is correctly escaped when generating the sql query	[18:57]
sylvieg	ah ah...	[18:57]
xavi	kind of off-topic, sorry, but I recently had to work with dokuwiki at work, and I liked a lot that there was a central place to keep files... (no attachments stored in a different place than file gals...). xavi dreams of a file gallery called "attachments to wiki pages", for instance..., so that attached files can be renamed, edited, etc. (all the same features as files in file galleries) </end of off-topic>	[18:57]
sylvieg	we need translators for the instal screens	[19:00]
nyloth	xavi: attachments to wiki pages through filegals is planned :)	[19:01]
nkoth3	nyloth - cool	[19:01]
xavi	brilliant, nyloth :-)	[19:01]
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nkoth3	because it really is not "consistent" otherwise ("duplication" of code)	[19:02]
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sylvieg	I haev a problem in the tiki3 fresh install - I do not go the change password enforced after install I already told that to rick	[19:04]
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sylvieg	it is a blocking error for me	[19:04]
nyloth	sylvieg: I saw this pb too	[19:05]
sylvieg	rick told me he was not able to reproduce :-( so 3 times - it is a bug	[19:05]
nyloth	nkoth3: you're on the air	[19:06]
nkoth3	yo mean when you first logged in as admin?	[19:06]
sylvieg	when I quiet install and go in tiki without desinstalling the tiki-install, it does not ask me for admin password changes	[19:07]
nkoth3	i see i did it with the deinstalling the tiki-install, it asks me for pw change	[19:07]
sylvieg	so the bug is probably there	[19:08]
nkoth3	gree *agree	[19:10]
luciash	luciash is back	[19:11]
sylvieg	definitevly change admin password after fresh install do not work for me	[19:13]
luciash	it used to be before as sylvie said, now it is so only after you "manually" login as admin/admin but then the text on HomePage didn't make sense on the other hand before, because it says "login as admin with password admin" away with the camera ! there's password to our tw.o site ;) g are you recording that gary ? ;)	[19:16]
xavi	sylvieg, are the first screens of installation expected to be internationalized?	[19:23]
luciash	xavi: yes	[19:23]
xavi	I mean, I didn't see any siwtch lang dropdown....	[19:23]
luciash	it is translantable	[19:23]
chibaguy1	Recordeding was in progress but I think I panned away in time. Will check.	[19:23]
luciash	xavi: on the first screen you can choose language	[19:24]
xavi	And before I changed permissions (before executed ./setup.sh), all info I see is in English only luciash: do you mean, even if you didn't run ./setup.sh yet?	[19:24]
luciash	chibaguy1: sorry, i've seen it, you have to cut it out ;)	[19:24]
xavi	I didn't see how to change lang	[19:25]
luciash	xavi: nope, these are not translantable yet	[19:25]
sylvieg	have to do some food shopping - bbl	[19:25]
chibaguy1	Hmm, ok. Not sure how to edit these. I'll stop recording and not save.	[19:25]
luciash	you can save and see but i think they're really there	[19:26]
xavi	chibaguy, kdenlive has a nice "automask" video effect, to pixelize screen zones...	[19:26]
luciash	you can save as private and i can look at it	[19:26]
chibaguy1	oops. too late. sorry.	[19:26]
luciash	heheh, ok, nevermind	[19:26]
chibaguy1	chibaguy1 ustream noob at work ;-)	[19:27]
xavi	:-) you are doing pretty well, Gary! (much better than I did as amateur recording/streaming at the last tikifest)	[19:27]
chibaguy1	thanks, it's fun and I hope is useful.	[19:28]
xavi	luciash, do you know if those first messages can be also internationalized?	[19:28]
luciash	chibaguy1: you got a tripod there ?	[19:28]
chibaguy1	yes, cgcom has one i'm using.	[19:28]
xavi	chibaguy1: it's very useful indeeed!	[19:29]
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luciash	xavi: i don't know, maybe yes, but you have to workaround smarty saving of templates_c becasue at that time it's not writable yet	[19:29]
xavi	ok	[19:29]
chibaguy1	the main problem is my laptop and the camera have to be plugged into the wall (for power and because the wireless lan isn't working for this pc), so mobility is limited.	[19:29]
luciash	tripod is very handy, makes the videos much more professional	[19:30]
Regis	Ola Xavi, nice T-shirt ;)	[19:30]
xavi	:-) hi Regis...	[19:30]
luciash	hi Regis :)	[19:30]
xavi	bring your camera on at that page... so that we can see you too!	[19:30]
Regis	Hi Luci!	[19:31]
xavi	regis, can your iphone do streaming also?	[19:31]
Regis	I'm behind the camera with Gary :)	[19:31]
xavi	ah... :-)	[19:31]
Regis	Luci is this a Tiki T-shirt too?	[19:31]
luciash	Regis: yep :)	[19:32]
Regis	Great!	[19:32]
nyloth	lol	[19:32]
luciash	my webcam image gets crappy with low light conditions though hmm, the image stream is not moving anymore, just the audio is ok	[19:35]
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xavi	oups, lost both audio and video ok, back	[19:36]
chibaguy1	Not sure why the stream isn't streaming... looks ok in the local monitor here.	[19:37]
luciash	it's ok again	[19:38]
chibaguy1	I'm going to restart my browser. Just a minute, please.	[19:38]
xavi	it's off again ok	[19:38]
luciash	luciash is stopping the today's broadcast though	[19:38]
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chibaguy	ok, stream should be back. ok now?	[19:42]
luciash	ok ! ou-key, da real chibaguy :)	[19:43]
xavi	ok	[19:43]
luciash	lunch time ! :D	[19:44]
xavi	yey, vegi pizza for luciash, please! :-)	[19:44]
luciash	yes yes, please :) send it by fedex ;)	[19:44]
chibaguy	Sorry, everyone is going to the next room to eat. I'll show the hallway, etc.	[19:45]
xavi	chibaguy: hurry up to get yours... !	[19:45]
luciash	nice bricks gary :)	[19:46]
xavi	:-D	[19:46]
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luciash	luciash does svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/3.0	[20:01]
xavi	nkoth3: installer went fine for me, and also installed a profile, for instance, without any problem, using the prebeta1 (tar.bz2)	[20:05]
	oh well, profiles worked different for me as they did a week ago, using the same profile, which hasn't changed but I guess this is an issue with profiles, not with the whole tiki3 packaging	[20:11]
nyloth	small stomacs are back	[20:18]
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luciash	g	[20:20]
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luciash	3 small stomaches already :)	[20:24]
nyloth	4 (including chibaguy)	[20:25]
luciash	ah, four and one behind the camera :-p	[20:25]
nyloth	yep	[20:25]
chibaguy	:-)	[20:25]
nyloth	ui_revamp2 branch updated	[20:25]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17007 10/branches/experimental/ui-revamp2/ (263 files in 37 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 16743 to 17006	[20:25]
luciash	ok, branch 3.0 has landed, let's install amette: sent you updated logo without the tagline	[20:26]
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amette	thanks bro	[20:29]
luciash	amette: you can put this in the custom code textarea: <div style="position: absolute; top: 80px; left: 40px"><strong>TikiWiki Sysadmin Workspace</strong></div> or something like that what fits	[20:30]
amette	ok	[20:31]
luciash	amette: later, when there will be reflection.js in 3.0 you will get the reflection on the png too ;)	[20:32]
amette	hehe, ok ;) luciash: actually... why not include it with the site image feature or whatever... I'm just doing it like that..	[20:32]
luciash	amette: uhm, how ? i don't remember there was possibility to put specific code for that ? but you can use the site title/subtitle but then you have to edit CSS to position it absolutely if you want it over the logo (not under)	[20:37]
amette	ah, ok, because of that.. ok, I'll try..	[20:38]
luciash	ehm, how do i enable the syntax highlighting in vim again please ? (when i have you "on the line"... :-p)	[20:39]
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luciash	ouch what was it ?	[21:06]
Jyhem	microphone fell down	[21:08]
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sylvieg	back	[21:10]
Jyhem	hmmmmm... installer has tests about $prefs, but $prefs is empty because tiki-setup is not included :-(rnI wonder if it makes sense to include it.	[21:11]
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chibaguy	ok, sorry about the break. cable was tripped over. :-) oops, one moment please.	[21:12]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17008 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] If installation happens in https, the default suggestion for https config needs to be https compatible tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17009 10/trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Oops	[21:14]
nkoth3	should we not be committing stuff in 3.0 and then merge to trunk?	[21:18]
luciash	nkoth3: yes	[21:18]
Jyhem	yes (updating 3.0 before committing again)	[21:20]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17010 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-db.php: [ENH] make the messages translantable when local.php not found	[21:20]
luciash	hm, how do i get site_title from lib/setup/prefs.php ? luciash just noticed prefs['site_title'] doesn't do the trick in tiki-db.php	[21:21]
chibaguy	We have sitetitle tiki-admin_include_look.tpl and siteTitle in header.tpl, IIRC. 'sitetitle' in tiki-admin_include_look.tpl	[21:28]
luciash	this file has no template, it is php only ah, i'll try sitetitle thank you gary	[21:29]
chibaguy	siteTitle is used in browser title bar and sitetitle in look and feel.	[21:30]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17011 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] If installation happens in https, the default suggestion for https config needs to be https compatible	[21:31]
luciash	hrm, none of them works	[21:31]
chibaguy	the two got mixed together and I reinstated how it was before, so I'm surprised to see a problem with the WikiSym site. I thought that was fixed a week or two ago.	[21:32]
luciash	chibaguy: i'm tolking about my last commit *talking	[21:32]
chibaguy	It's just a coincidense then that similar terms are causing a problem for wikisym site, I guess.	[21:34]
sylvieg	bbl my kid needs a drive	[21:34]
chibaguy	Revision 16707 - I thought that fixed it.	[21:34]
luciash	the siteTitle is correctly set on line 949 of lib/setup/prefs.php but it doesn't display via db/tiki-db.php using prefs['siteTitle'] *$prefs['siteTitle'] btw, i think this siteTitle preference should go somewhere else than look and feel ?	[21:36]
chibaguy	luciash, what does that siteTitle refer to? That's what appears in the browser title bar.	[21:39]
luciash	yes	[21:39]
chibaguy	OK, and 'sitetitle' is the variable for what is set in Look and Feel (big text at page top), right?	[21:39]
luciash	i guess so there's some subtitle too	[21:39]
chibaguy	right. So to put up a site quickly, just text can be used instead of logo.	[21:40]
luciash	yup	[21:42]
amette	luciash: syn on sorry - I was immediately gone.. ;)	[21:46]
luciash	amette: ah :) danke/kiitos :)	[21:46]
amette	ole hyvä/prosim :)	[21:47]
luciash	chibaguy: what about the interview idea for tomorrow ? do you have some dv cassette available with the camera so higher quality video can be stored on it ? i think these streamed and recorded on ustream.tv are pretty low resolution	[21:48]
chibaguy	I think I have 1 tape, yes.	[21:50]
luciash	luciash noticed tiki installer has no browser title set too	[21:50]
chibaguy	who will be interviewed?	[21:50]
luciash	decide yourself ;)	[21:50]
chibaguy	But I can't stream and tape at the same time.	[21:50]
luciash	marc is a hot candidate ;)	[21:50]
chibaguy	Camera won't do it.	[21:50]
luciash	yup, i know, it has to be done before/after the streaming	[21:51]
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luciash	but if you would do it we can edit the footage then and produce some report about the tikifest event happening in montreal and promote tiki this way via the TV news ;) but the report must be aired while the fest is still happening or it wouldn't be accepted after then most probably so please decide until tomorrow if you'd like to try it to spread the word this way	[21:53]
chibaguy	Hmm, so we need to tape and then how do we send the tape, I wonder...	[21:56]
luciash	you can get it to pc via the dv cable (firewire) usually if you have it... it stores as AVI format (AVI DV) we could then download it from somewhere where you put it	[21:57]
chibaguy	no firewire on this laptop maybe someone else has	[21:59]
luciash	ah, that's required, yes... and the cable is attached with the camera equipment ? there's couple of software to capture it from the camcorder (dvgrab on linux (Kino has nice GUI to it) or there's for sure some free app for Win platform too)	[22:00]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17012 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-db.php: [ENH] add the logo	[22:21]
chibaguy	I think feature_sitetitle in lib/setup/prefs.php is the big-text title that's set in Look and Feel.	[22:26]
luciash	hmm, btw, why we don't automatically redirect to tiki-install.php when local.php not found ? why the extra step "Tiki cannot find your db/local.php file." ? chibaguy: that's correct chibaguy: line 949 is siteTitle	[22:26]
chibaguy	ok. What do y and n mean in this prefs file? Do they mean default settings?	[22:31]
luciash	yes, y = enabled, n = disabled	[22:34]
chibaguy	If so, I don't know why 'feature_sitetitle' => 'y' , because this probably shouldn't be on by default, since it depends on admin adding the text, right?	[22:35]
SEWilco2	I've been using Avidemux to convert video formats. It has editing abilities also. If you start with high res video you can produce clips in various formats.	[22:36]
luciash	chibaguy: sounds right	[22:37]
chibaguy	What prefs should be listed in this file? feature_sitesubtitle isn't mentioned at all...	[22:37]
luciash	SEWilco2: yup, but first we need to get the video down off the camcorder ;) chibaguy: no idea, i think all defaults should be there but i have no idea how it works when populating db for the first time	[22:38]
chibaguy	I would think only necessary ones would have to be listed there (minimal set). Others can be added to the db as needed, seems like. Or whatever should be default values.	[22:40]
luciash	ask the experts around you ;)	[22:41]
chibaguy	hey, good idea :-)	[22:41]
luciash	:D :D :D	[22:41]
chibaguy	Does lib/setup/prefs.php only get called at installation, and then has no influence?	[22:47]
luciash	i suggest to rename it to prevent confusion to browser_sitetitle	[22:52]
chibaguy	yeah, marc had similar idea :-) I'll try that and see	[22:53]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17013 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [ENH] release script: add a syntax check of PHP files and stop the release process if a parsing error has been found. tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17014 10/branches/3.0/ (tiki-install.php tiki-setup.php): [Fix] check for php vers in setup	[22:55]
luciash	so, what is preferred ? having change password enforced for admin after last step of install or like it is now... showing the homepage logged off and suggesting to login as admin with password admin ? how is it with the lib/setup/prefs.php then ? is it used only by installer or not ? chibaguy: r u fixing the sitetitle ? where's 'Users can change language' now ?	[22:59]
chibaguy	yes, luciash, or so I intend.	[23:08]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17015 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_include_login.php: [FIX] login prefs: change_theme is done on look and feel now - remove from here to prevent unwanted toggling off after applying login changes	[23:21]
sylvieg	back	[23:23]
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luciash	wb sylvieg i think rick forgot to put the users can change language somewhere while removing it from login prefs tpl	[23:25]
sylvieg	for the problem of password not demanded in case 'Do nothing and enter Tiki' I do not understand why it is going to tiki-index.php and tiki-change_password	[23:26]
luciash	sylvieg: and i don't understand why on the default hompeage it is written then 1. login as admin with password admin when it was change enforced before ;)	[23:27]
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luciash	chibaguy: workin on 3:0 branch ?	[23:28]
chibaguy	yes	[23:29]
luciash	if you're in look and feel, can you look at restrict themes available ? seems to not be set after applying	[23:29]
amette	dev is on trunk now - as one can see, when looking at the site :P ah, ok, should go to 3.0 - ok, once again... ;)	[23:29]
luciash	amette: kewl, dogfooding' rocks ! ROFL	[23:32]
amette	;)	[23:32]
luciash	damn, i have set "Site title" and "Site subtitle" and now i have not-so-nice "Jump to content" bock floating over the logo :-p or wth, is it a feature ? g	[23:33]
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sylvieg	away again - need to do some polynomial tutoring	[23:34]
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luciash	heh sounds weird sylvieg	[23:35]
chibaguy	jump to content is normally offscreen due to negative left margin (inline css)	[23:35]
luciash	now gary wanna break his keyboard ;)	[23:35]
MartinComeau	I if can make a suggestion, can we put the mike on the dev table, the keyboard sound is loud! ;-)	[23:35]
chibaguy	no, just walk away from it. ;-)	[23:35]
luciash	yep, dunno why it appeared here for a little while	[23:36]
chibaguy	MartinComeau, the keyboard sound is too loud?	[23:37]
luciash	mic is on the dev table, just gary is too close or he has some other mic on his laptop which records the tapping on his keyboard :-)	[23:37]
MartinComeau	Is the sounds capture coming from the usb mic or from the camcorder mic?	[23:37]
chibaguy	from the mic now in closeup (connected with usb)	[23:38]
MartinComeau	this macbookpro have a keyboard hard time ;-)	[23:38]
chibaguy	ah	[23:38]
amette	ok, now dev is on 3.0	[23:40]
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luciash	amette: yay	[23:41]
amette	luciash: you had a look at the site? ;)	[23:41]
luciash	nope, because not found :-p http://dev.tikiwiki.org/FilteringBestPractices ok, index works but wth ? ;) amette: ah, you have to recompile php on your gentoo again it seems :-p	[23:42]
amette	nope, that is done already luciash: what do you see?	[23:44]
luciash	An error occured in a database query!	[23:44]
amette	I get a white page with an error message in konq - in FF it works... :O ok, that other people get here, too... so that's not too bad	[23:44]
luciash	LOL	[23:45]
amette	yeah ;)	[23:45]
luciash	i'm logged in, that's maybe why you see something different but it looks working fine on my localhost, bueheh :)	[23:45]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17016 10/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): {MRG] from 3.0 r17009:17015	[23:47]
luciash	amette: cache cleared ? woot, so what was it ? i didn't hear what nyloth suggested to fix it...	[23:48]
nkoth3	it is not possible to just manually run the tiki2.0to3.0.sql script you should run doc/devtools/sqlupgrade.sh which runs a php script	[23:52]
luciash	i do it via installer always	[23:52]
nkoth3	installer is fine	[23:53]
luciash	which seemed to work but i didn't do it on big site like dev... thanks for the hint	[23:53]
nkoth3	but people who are scripting their own process will need the shell approach	[23:53]
luciash	ah, if installer upgrade is fine then i'll stick with it :) but i think some changes didn't go through e.g. wasn't the KEYWORDS module titled KEYWORDS before ? (now is MENU) left menu has *3rules instead of first list item "Categorize HomePage in" module drop-down overflows	[23:53]
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sylvieg	thinking about doing another ustream with me - to participate - not sure I will be able to do it tomorrow - weather will be nasty	[23:57]
luciash	amette: please enable the SEFURLs (apache rewrite rules), otherwise it looks nice	[23:58]
sylvieg	this feature with plugin is great	[23:58]
amette	luciash: thanks - just ran the script	[23:58]
sylvieg	what is a mess is to have to have the edit plugin in aview page edit button	[23:58]
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sylvieg	- and the plugin 'protection' need an email stuff - nobody knows it is blocked	[23:59]

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