CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17103 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH] Install steps terms improved, etc.
nkoth3: tarballs for testing, before we tag the real beta1: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2
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sylvieg1: the release is planned in April.... need to plan doc/ translation / debug
?
one month...
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SEWilco2: sylvieg1: How to score a non-forum Article post? I think that wasn't working in 2.2; we fixed it locally but haven't had time to port to trunk.
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17104 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer buttons
sylvieg1: my husband gets a job - begining next Monday - :-)]
chibaguy: great!
sylvieg1: yeh -- with the economy it was scaring
chibaguy: that's for sure.
sylvieg1: chibaguy: do you have a full time job now?
'full'?
chibaguy: No
sylvieg1: ok - so any theme job we can find must go to you
chibaguy: Have some possibilities, but nothing for certain.
Heh, that would be nice, thanks. :-)
sylvieg1: tricia is going into the tw business - I will not be the only girl - good
me too
and if you check both it is not working
+1 for marc
we need only one and not an option but ...
the ticket thing must not be optional
mose's dead feature
not really
you find a 'bad' feature
yeh
+1 for tricia
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sylvieg1: if you activate the both csrf on a site - is it working
slordjette: Patricia, are you there ?
sylvieg1: was not working for me
sebastian is a great tw user
never afraid - always trying idea
slordjette: What's the topic ?
sylvieg1: and he did a lot of nice sites
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tricia: seb: yes crashed browser 'm back
sylvieg1: csrf security .. why it is optional - and why we have choice?
slordjette: Did you succeed with the menu ?
I saw you made a few attempts...
Back to square 1, I guess...
tricia: not yet, i get it to show up but still drop down
we had 3 preferences sections now back into 1
but menu .......
slordjette: Any YAML specialist in tha house?
sylvieg1: do not give choice to an admin
tricia: no yaml-ers showed up
slordjette: Grrr
sylvieg1: security tw must take care of it
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17105 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off some features on a new install of the bare bones install. Relevant features will appear in appropriate profiles.
sylvieg1: BUT - personally I never understood the 2 choices
perhaps I know btter now
but the bos 'CSRF security' must dissapear
box
I am not a security person - I trust everyone
you need to have an evil spirit to understand
it is .. like you know where you come from - it is not fake
so you can not genreate fake url
i will go for Protect against CSRF with a ticket. in a core feature
slordjette: Tricia : you keep on trying or do you abandon?
sylvieg1: and delete the choice 'csrf security
tricia: one last try then it's yours
sylvieg1: but i am not an expert on security - i never find a security hole
yeh
tricia: slordjette: it's all yours I want to throw it
through a window
slordjette: Well, you are in the right room for that !
tricia: true but not a good idea, are you going to try ???
chibaguy: A few jquery quirks in branch 3 -- hide/show columns only changes side column display but not center column width; changing a jquery effect preferences also changes the theme to default.
slordjette: I'll continue tomorrow... I'll ask Louis-Philippe.
tricia: ok bonne idee
chibaguy: Tool tips over user names have no content.
sylvieg1: if slordjette can have lph back +1
-: sylvieg1 will work on parsing plugin tomorrow so wish lph help
marclaporte wonders where to play with feature_userlevels
sylvieg1: .. is it the menu option?
look at the cnrs sites
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17106 10/branches/3.0/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] Get rid of double call of Smarty_Tikiwiki in some circumstances, and overall simplification
sylvieg1: the idea with user-level was to show to user - only menu options they can understans
marclaporte: great idea
sylvieg1: have a good dinne
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sylvieg1: do we have apge with all the top rated bu
on tw?
..
bad finger
do we have a page with top bugs whatever the feature is?
marclaporte: yes, on right hand side of dev.tw.o
You can sort bugs
and people can vote with ratings
many people put priority 9 however
sylvieg1: yes I know - I use it on feature basis - but I did not find something across feature
- in fact I think I can have the info by myself
marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+Bugs
sylvieg1: thx
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sylvieg1: ..
nice
there is a glitch between persomal calendar and the perm - i ma onit
nyloth: i ma onit <= indian expression ?
;)
sylvieg1: i know I need to focus on typing - soory
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sylvieg1: dammit
sorry
nyloth: no problem ;p
cratel: how do I enable the wysiwyg editor (v 2.2)
Caarrie: we just need a sylvieg1 spell checker ;)
sylvieg1: +1 for Caarrie
nyloth: :)
sylvieg1: cratel: admin->feature: experimental
cratel: why's feature? I'm new to tikiwiki.
sorry, why=where. Where is feature?
sorry. got it.
doesn't look like wysiwyg to me at all. The text still has all the formatting codes rather than looking like the layout.
sylvieg1: goto to admin home --- then click on feature
Jyhem: once the feature is activated, I seem to remember that you need to choose wysiwyg in wiki config (not sure)
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17107 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] typo in french translation
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sylvieg1: jylem there is alot of options - tune your options
nyloth needs to put volume on the micor must be closer
s/on/on or
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sylvieg1: something is definitely broken with calendar ... selecting a calendar must not give the select calendar box..
Jyhem: I was answering cratel
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17108 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php:
tikiwiki: [MOD] Change __Allow same file to be uploaded more than once__ default behavior
tikiwiki: in file galleries from __Never__ to __Only in different galleries__ because it
tikiwiki: can cause user support issues and most people won't need this.
sylvieg1: sorry Jyhem
nyloth: sylvieg1: I agree. I would prefer to have one button per calendar, which includes a checkbox inside it (before the calendar name) that allows you to hide/show the calendar in the current view
well, I said button, but not necessarily a "button"
sylvieg1: i think the behavior was like that before
cratel: thanks everybody. I seem to have it working more or less.
nyloth: I don't remember, but it's my preference. I don't like to have a select box, and it's quite limited to just have buttons that only shows the calendar you clicked on
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17109 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Wiki page printing is not an essential feature for the bare-bones install
sylvieg1: visible calendar must be the list of calendar place - clicking on a calendar must be I select it
who has some cold>
?
-: Caarrie sends sylvieg1 some snow
sylvieg1: we had one feet last day
Caarrie: we got about 3 inches and schools closed :P
nyloth: sylvieg1: yep
sylvieg1: not too much but enough to freeze maschussetts infrastructure
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17110 10/branches/3.0/templates/module.tpl: [FIX] div.box overflow=y was always on instead of being set by module argument.
sylvieg1: Caarrie: where do you live Carolina?
Caarrie: North yep
sylvieg1: it is a lot of snow for north carolina
we need one feet at least to close school
Caarrie: well we have had even more then that at one time this year
sylvieg1: marc ned s to document a lot all the profiles because it is so... case specific
Caarrie: did you finish your school and are workin? or still learning?
Caarrie: still in school
amette: chibaguy: now comes the scary part.... ;)
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amette: got a line for your hosts file: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org
sylvieg1: Caarrie: you are learning a lot .. I think
Caarrie: just taking my time ;)
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amette: whew... that was only Caarrie ... ;)
Caarrie: ;)
sylvieg1: Caarrie: when is your graduation?
Caarrie: i hope december
sylvieg1: cool
one year - can do a lot in one year
Caarrie: yep
sylvieg1: wish you the best
Caarrie: thanks
sylvieg1: nyloth speak out - I can not understand - thx
nyloth: well, I usually don't speak loudly :)
sylvieg1: i understand
but everybody is speaking here
nyloth: Btu as yuo can see it's possbile to undrestnad evne wihtout a prefcet message :)
Caarrie: :P
sylvieg1: :-)
:'(need tiki_p_admin_calendar to create a personal calendar - bad
nyloth: sylvieg1: probably should we consider this as a bug
;)
sylvieg1: yeh as a long time bug
nyloth: probably
sylvieg1: like the user tracker - whe it is yours - it is yours - you can create - modify...
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sylvieg1: so who is the one who have a cold?
name? stay awway..
-: amette raises his hand
amette: sorry sylvieg1 - but don't fear, technology isn't yet far enough to transport viruses over video streaming afaik ;)
sylvieg1: :-)
i do not care I am french - not like the american people fearing about all thebacteria
amette: :)
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17111 10/branches/3.0/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [FIX] Update translations after installer strings chnaged
sylvieg1: category perm will be like group perm - one categ perms can have the same view than group perm
it will simplify so much code
amette: nyloth: tiki-login.php - line 326
nyloth: thx
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17112 10/branches/3.0/tiki-login.php: [FIX] tiki-login: assign_by_ref is using the second param by reference, so it needs to be a variable
tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17113 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Handle release versions with spaces (like beta versions)
sylvieg1: admin can validate
- I think
-: sylvieg1 whishes to have simple database format - because this provpass is very ambigous
sylvieg1: waht clear the cache when you run the installer - I think it is missing
marclaporte: ok, I will clear cache manually
nyloth: sylvieg1: how do you translate this in French : "Configure the General Settings" ... we didn't found something very good here
?
sylvieg1: Mettre a jour les parametres generaux
generaux globaux?
desolee
terminoly setting = confugaration
nyloth: terminoly seulement si fatigué ;p
"globaux" is more a translation of "global", no ?
hmm... well, I'll put "généraux" I think
sylvieg1: meere a jour la configuration generale
dammit typing
mettre
I only pickup the translation that is already done - assuming that as a wiki vague - translation finishes to be the right one
nyloth: "Mettre à jour" implies existing settings... I think I'll put "Configurer les paramètres généraux" for the moment. If someone want to change after, no pb :)
sylvieg1: +1
nyloth: :)
sylvieg1: i appreciate pkdille job .. he homogenize a lot - a lot more to do
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sylvieg1: somthing is not working with paginatinion in list tracker
-: marclaporte is looking forward for jonny to come back
marclaporte: have IE6 buggies
sylvieg1: ??
2 secs
:-)
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Tikiwiki|bot: ??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
sylvieg1: ok I have one page of documentation about what happens whith registration/validationn status
perhaps I can publish it
it is a 'prvapss' dance
or perhpas it is secret behavior for securyt rason
wil do an email to admion
slordjette: What's that noise?
Anyone knows what is the feature name of the "TikiWiki Assistant" module?
Still messing with the profiles
marclaporte: slordjette: : look at system name of module
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marclaporte: tiki-admin_modules.php
sylvieg1: can not focus anylore - time for bed for me - good night
tricia: slordjette: hi I got it working to a point
slordjette: No way !
tricia: if drop down only at end I can have several singles, try it out
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slordjette: Yeah, I know... But this is not want we want...
We can't adapt the message to technology, we must adapt technology to the message.
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slordjette: Still looking for that feature name... Assistant... Someone knows ?
Is there a feature listing somewhere?
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17114 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] No : at the beginning of next line
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17115 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off __user watches translation__ in barebones install
marclaporte: slordjette: you want to deactivate module?
slordjette: Yes
OK, Good night everyone ! See you tomorrow. Don't forget to clean up a bit if you want the clean-up guy to do the rest!
marclaporte: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Module+Handler
chibaguy: slordjette, good night. :-)
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nyloth: ricks around ?
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17116 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] Wider edit comment textarea
nkoth3: we're about to package beta 1 for real. Any more final commits for beta 1?
marclaporte: drum roll please
Beta1 is coming out!
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17117 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta1
nkoth3: ok . final check: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2
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nkoth3: beta 1 packaging underway...
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lq_842: I've changed the _htaccess to .htaccess in order to get the rewrite rules and enabled sefurls, however my homepage still shows /tiki-index.php and the rewrites seem to work when I list pages but I can't access them
can anyone provide some insight?
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chibaguy: lq_842, does www.example.com/HomePage work (I mean that url style?)
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17118 10/tags/3.0beta1/: [REL] Tagging release
lq_842: no it does not. same thing as the others, 404 not found
marclaporte: iis or Aapche
?
lq_842: Apache
amette: AllowOverride set correctly in apache config to allow for .htaccess ?
lq_842: it's on a shared host. someone the other day showed me theirs worked on the host Blue Host, so I switched to them
so I would think the settings are correct on the host
it seems to rewrite the page names and all, except for the homepage
but none of the links it writes work
chibaguy: What do you mean by 'links it writes'? Can you give an example?
amette: what do you mean by "it seems to rewrite the page names and all"
chibaguy: :)
lq_842: when I list all pages in the wiki, it rewrites them as mysite.com/name1+name2+name3, however the page links do not actually work
amette: then the .htaccess is not being used by your installation
ask your hoster, if you need to enable something or so
lq_842: it would have to be or it wouldn't perform the rewrite I thought?
amette: the .htaccess goes only in one direction...
... it makes mysite.com/HomePage go to mysite.com/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage without you noticing it...
lq_842: nevermind I just figured out it's the SEF option that rewrites the page names
amette: ... Tiki rewrites the links
lq_842: do the rewrite codes on the rewrite rules wiki page work? I mean do they need updating of any kind?
chibaguy: lq_842, what TikiWiki version are you using?
lq_842: 2.2
chibaguy: I think the .htaccess that's included in the version is up to date.
(for that version)
lq_842: hmmm, I'll try downloading it again. I pasted the stuff of the website to try it
amette: you might want to try the newest beta - just about 58 minutes old
lq_842: will do! since the other didn't work
also I'm talking with my host
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17119 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: more french translations
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17120 10/branches/3.0/ (installer/tiki-installer.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): [MOD] installer: only propose profiles installation when tiki can connect to the profiles website
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lq_842: I have been assured they have mod rewrite enabled on all servers. Any other ideas?
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17121 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: remove the 'By clicking Continue you agree to the terms of this license' sentence because the user can bypass this page anyway.
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lq_842: ok I got the rewrites working, except the main page still comes up as tiki-index.php
do I have to add another rule of some kind to make it just mydomain.com/
chibaguy: not that I know of...
http://tikiwiki.org/HomePage works but if you enter http://tikiwiki.org/ , it'll complete with tiki-index.php. Is that what you mean? If so, I don't know how to avoid that.
time to go home here. will be back later.
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luciash: good morning europa
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lq_053: any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? The page saves, but still the error is annoying.
luciash: redirection bug
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lq_053: how can I fix it?
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lq_053: hey marclaporte, any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? luciash says it is a redirection bug, any idea how to fix it?
marclaporte: you using structures?
lq_053: I use categories instead of structures
luciash: what do you see in the URL bar when receiving the 404 error ?
good early morning marclaporte ! ;)
marclaporte: morning
lq_053: The requested URL /HomePage&bl=n&saved_msg=y was not found on this server.
luciash: marclaporte: congrats for releasing the beta, now the big fixes must continue !
lq_053: i see, there is ? needed instead of the first &
lq_053: as a workaround you can adjust your rewrite rules to change first "&" to "?" when there's none
lq_053: lol more rewrite stuff ; ;
luciash: try with /HomePage?bl=n&saved_msg=y if you'll still get the error
lq_053: no that does fix it, you are right
luciash: sorry that i can't help you with building the regexp from top of my head currently now
lq_053: it's ok I'll be posting for help on the modrewrite.com forum anyway
luciash: fine :)
you can share then ;)
lq_053: I'm reading through trying to figure out how to change it so that tiki-index.php just goes to my main site address
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luciash: lq_053: hold on
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lq_053: sup?
luciash: try this:
RewriteRule ^(.*)tiki-index.php$ /$1 [R=301,L]
lq_053: gives me a loop error
luciash: maybe you'll need this before: RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^GET .*/tiki-index.php HTTP
or you have to set in your apache conf that tiki-index.php is equiv to index.php, index.html, etc
oh, in the RewriteRule should be a "" before the ".php"
sorry
lq_053: still no good
I tried with and without the condition and with and without the /
luciash: [08:25] <lq_053> yeah I typed it wrong ^^ I tried it correctly in the htaccess file though
but i think you have only to tell apache to treat /tiki-index.php as / and it should work
lq_053: I'm on a shared host
luciash: ah, maybe there's another Rewrite rule for that....
try DirectoryIndex tiki-index.php
lq_053: what do you mean try that?
luciash: put this in your .htaccess file
lq_053: k
oh snap!
that's awesome and so simple
thank you
luciash: *g*
was just a deduction ;)
you're welcome
lq_053: maybe you can help me with one more thing. I want to change the tiki icon that shows up in the tab
luciash: favicon ?
lq_053: I've changed the icon file, favicon.png that is in the root directory
but still the icon does not change
luciash: change it at Admin > L&F and clear all your browser cache
lq_053: I tried clearing the cache already
I'll rename it and try that
ok, all I had to do was rename it for it to work
luciash: what browser ?
lq_053: firefox
luciash: ok
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marclaporte: yo jonnyb
jonnyb: I found some IE6 bugs
thought I would pretend they are related to jQuery
So I could get you to fix them :-)
jonnyb: greetings - wasn't expecting anyone to be still (already?) up
:D
marclaporte: I need sleep
just preparing the day
jonnyb: go sleep - you guys had a busy day!
marclaporte: Beta1 is quite impressive
jonnyb: was the ie6 bug the pnghack thing?
(i was just replying to it)
marclaporte: in 8 hours: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03
dunno the cause
1- red button for edit help is not clickable
2- plugin edit helper doesn't work
jonnyb: ok, "see" you at the meeting - sweet dreams!
luciash: hi jonnyb
1- red button for edit help is still not optional :-/
-: luciash goes to read what jonny replied
luciash: sure
jonnyb: hi luciash
it was the pngfix thing i was planning on making optional
luciash: same here ;)
i thought it's obvious from the thread
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jonnyb: me2
luciash: i propose to put another tab on look and feel called experimental too and put it there
and the other tab can be merged with the first one i guess (only favicon there anyway)
jonnyb: i was thinking the stuff at the bottom of tab 2 could go to "other" (like use folders etc)
luciash: ah, ok, that's logical too
jonnyb: i'll make an experimental one - or maybe the "ui effects" jquery one should be renamed?
luciash: yup, that would be better maybe
rename ui effects tab and put the correctPNG there too
you can have fieldset named UI effects inside
the tab
jonnyb: indeedy :)
by the way - where has "user can switch languages" gone?
luciash: i think later we will need to rewrite the function bit to match only images having rel="fixpng" or something like that so it will be more stable
jonnyb: it has accidentally disappeared by rick's revamping
jonnyb: i'll hunt it down...
luciash: (or class="fixpng")
more revamping still on the way
jonnyb: :)
don't you sleep?
luciash: jonnyb: we europeans do not sleep usually at this time of the day ;) i'm in czech rep.
jonnyb: ah - i thought you were in Canada
do you think Marc meant the plugin edit forms when he said "2- plugin edit helper doesn't work" (on IE6)
luciash: hm, i think it stopped to work in IE6 recently :-p
you know, the little icon next to the wiki plugin
allows editing of plugin params
jonnyb: it (used to) depend on mootools, which would die if swfix was on
now can use jquery so might be more cooperative
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17123 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Add explanation about feature_community_mouseover (because i hadn't understood it for all these years)
luciash: hmm, jonnyb, isn't it now even more confusing ? ;)
actually what the checkbox does is that the user allows to be his info displayed in the mouseover tooltip
jonnyb: hmmmm?
luciash: when someone hovers his nick
jonnyb: i think it's a stupid preference
i can understand not wanting to show _my_ info, but why not see other people's
how would you put it? (i still have the file open)
luciash: it doesn't affect other's ppl mouseover, does it ?
jonnyb: yes - apparently
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luciash: if it works as you say, then maybe someone got annoyed by the mouseover popups of overlib and wanted to make use of site more pleasure without them
for him, while admin still prefers to use them
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luciash: actually i think it was mose who added this user preference but i'm not sure :)
jonnyb: when you think about it more it can really get annoying on bigger community site, so maybe it's not that stupid to have this user choice ;)
jonnyb: fair enough - so how to explain it best?
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jonnyb: meanwhile i have tiki-user-preferences.php doing WSoD when i save (dull!)
luciash: i'd put {tr}Displays users' info tooltip for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr}
jonnyb: but that's not what it does (afaict)
hang on...
you might be right :)
luciash: *g*
jonnyb: better than mine - i put it in
in fact i'll replace both lines with: {tr}Displays users' info tooltip on mouseover for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr}
luciash: ok, just s/Displays/Display/
and maybe his/her ? ;)
:-p
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17124 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Better wording for show_mouseover_user_info pref (thanks Luci)
jonnyb: 2 late :)
luciash: oops, too late :)
jonnyb: i'm still getting white page when i save user prefs though - more imporantly
do you?
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luciash: jonnyb: i have to enable user prefs first ;)
jonnyb: mine's on a fairly old DB - like from a few weeks ago, so might be some mess in it
luciash: you can mysqldump and try fresh install over it
then sql back
jonnyb: i will, but i'd like to know why
luciash: or just create fresh db and change in db/local.php the name
jonnyb: (this isn't even on my list!)
luciash: ah :)
but you do db upgrades via the installer right ?
jonnyb: yup
luciash: hmm, a glitch, i just checked on the userPreferences feature and it says after apply: preference feature jquery disabled
jonnyb: my first step
hmmm
i've often found initialising new prefs a bit "odd"
luciash: i can fix it if you're lost
jonnyb: (btw, thanks for the pretty notifications on the admin - nice!)
luciash: i'm pretty familiar last days with these bugs
np :)
jonnyb: i'm more worried about user-prefs dying - it's in the template somewhere
luciash: i hope it's not low memory limit
jonnyb: and i've never found a way to debug tiki smarty well
luciash: oh yep, the tpl looks broken from the first sight at the preferences screen
you use web developer for FF ?
extension
you can easily check for xhtml validity by sending local file to the validator
jonnyb: do you mean the .tpl? cos there's nothing coming out of the browser when it fails
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jonnyb: hi Matthew
MatWho: hi
luciash: but it doesn't die with WSoD here
after changing prefs
jonnyb: think it might be the evil mootools! :
luciash: hey MatWho
you have them enabled ?
MatWho: is Montreal awake yet?
luciash: MatWho: i don't think so
jonnyb: you have mootools enabled ?
MatWho: well good morning all you happy Europeans
luciash: good morning to the UK
jonnyb: didn't - tried it, still WSoD
luciash: i have mootools on btw
i'll try to switch to jquery (can be both on ?)
jonnyb: should bo ok
*be
luciash: it works with both enabled
do you have ajax enabled ?
jonnyb: yup
luciash: that might be it
jonnyb: all experimental stuff off - most of everything else off, and still doing it...
luciash: hm, try clear the tiki cache then, i can't think anythink else than low php memory_limit causing this
jonnyb: did that
mem set to 128MB
don't worry - i'll get there - thx
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jonnyb: luciash: seems to be to do with the display_timezone pref - when it's set to "detect" or "site" i get WSoD - not if i pick a zone...
luciash: aaaah
must be server related, it works for me
jonnyb: i also get 100s of notices about it
luciash: with "Detect user timezone if browser allows, otherwise default"
Site default works for me too
jonnyb: where do you set site default?
:P
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17125 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Fix timezone_open() failing with empty param
luciash: problem with tooltip is it displays blank tooltip, when pref feature community mouseover is disabled
preference name: feature_community_mouseover
jonnyb: i know - but i can't set prefs here without WSoD, so i thought i better fix that first... (tangents! tangents!)
luciash: :)
i think this will be hard to fix as it's server settings dependent it seems (or some bultin php function)
and it doesn't show my avatar, bueheheh :)
jonnyb: the not showing empty tooltips thing should be easy... once i get there!
luciash: sure
jonnyb: i also had a missing avatar at one point... might be worth adding to the 3.0 page
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17126 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] 2 divs not closed (led to missing tab boxes in Safari)
sylvieg1: +1 luciash for th CSRF - I forgot the point
luciash: sylvieg1: np :)
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17127 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: [FIX] Suppress empty user info jquery tooltips
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17128 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] JQuery tooltips (clueTips) not high enough z-index to show in front of admin panels - now set to z-index of 400
MatWho: I am listening to the MP3 of Jquery/quick tags conference call - so far the best Jonnyisums are - "coding till I cant see" and "It's always a bad idea to test when lots of people are watching" ;)
jonnyb: I thank you! 8)
MatWho: :)
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MatWho: lunch time see you soon ...
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17129 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [FIX] Notices (not fix my WSoD on save prefs when display_timezone is empty or Site)
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r17130 10/third_party/htmlpurifier/ (324 files in 30 dirs): [UPD] HTMLPurifier update to 3.3.0
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17131 10/branches/3.0/tiki-modules.php: [FIX] Notices
sylvieg1: mouse over on user is broken for me
luciash: this is weird, i reinstalled database (not upgrade) but still i see my previously set stuff (even after all cache clear)
sylvieg1: there is als the SESSION
luciash: i cleared all
two days ago it warked as expected still
jonnyb: hi syvlieg1 - user info how broken now?
sylvieg1: the < in the html are >....
jonnyb: ah - which browser? (Fx seems to work it out)
sylvieg1: firefox
but I do not think it is a browser issue - the html code has been 'htmlspecial'...
jonnyb: on the mac it displays fine
it needed some sort of encoding to live in the title attribute, that one seemed to work...
luciash: jonnyb: when i have mootools and jquery on, which one is used for shadowbox ?
ricks99: something broken/change with CODE plugin? on doc.tw.o all examples are now parsed? see: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginversions#Usage
jonnyb: jquery (of course ;) )
sylvieg1: if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips) { should be if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips == 'y') ?{
luciash: jonnyb: jqueryTiki.replection = true; in head javascript section... is it a typo ?
jonnyb: sylvieg1 and luciash - both yes
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luciash: hi ricks99
ricks99: hi all: beta looks nice. good work all
luciash: ricks99: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#Blockers
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CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17132 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: syntax
ricks99: its not just the hash.. it is acutally parsing
(or is it all tied together)?
luciash: together
ricks99: k.
also, version plugin is busted. :(
if u have more than 3 versions, the "middle" version show all children :(
sylvieg1: it is normal that bu default feature_jquery is off and feature_jquery_tooltips is on
I think my problem is that jquery is off and the other jquery feature are on
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17133 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Removed parameter from DateTime object constructor. "Z" (timezone) part was incorrect and causing error notice. Defaults to "now" but please watch out for this in other timezones.
luciash: ricks99: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-02,Mon&sel=511#l507
sylvieg1: ok that the problem... jonnyb do you think it is better to test everywhere if ($prefs['feature_jquery_tooltips'] == 'y' && $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y')
or it is better to have the sub feature turn off id jsquery is off?
ricks99: @luciash: none, sorry. been busy with 'real' life.
luciash: sylvieg1: +1 for the second option
jonnyb: sylvieg1: hmmm - i was going to say "yes" (to test both) but not sure now...
i quite like it doing loads of stuff when you switch it on
so me +1 for option 1 - anyone else?
luciash: hmmm :)
jonnyb: (i thought i had been doing it that way anyway - just missed some)
luciash: it should be checked like that anyway (option 1) otherwise it will crash when jquery disabled
"crash" == meybe it degrades nicely but can cause problems
ricks99: okay, np
ricks99: should all of those inline styles be moved to admin.css?
jonnyb: userlink is the only place that needs it, so adding $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y' && there now
luciash: ricks99: +1
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-: luciash wonders how he can now reinstall fresh database
luciash: (except creating new one via mysqladmin)
to test how it sees user after new installation
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17134 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php tikilib.php): [FIX] test also jquery is on
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17135 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_menu.tpl: [FIX] Notices
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17136 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] pick user avatar: updated description string reflecting the reality (not only gifs are possible) + redirect to prevent resubmit on reload
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luciash: (ok, seems i've somewhat succeeded when logged out my admin first)
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17137 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [MOD]jquery: warn jquery feature must be on ad the sub setting are on by default
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17138 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/mod-calendar_new.tpl: [FIX] Notices
-: luciash wonders why there are in the db multiple Admin options in da menu at position 1050
sylvieg1: because if a user has only one option like admin users and no other one - you need to create the section
so for each option below you need more or less an 'admin' section
luciash: ah, i thought for these are the permissions/sections separated by commas used
sylvieg1: permissions are a AND??? i think
luciash: on Admin > Menus
tiki-admin_menu_options.php
it's terribly hard to edit the menu 42 there
when there are dozens of Admin menu options pointing to the same tiki-admin.php
sylvieg1: perhaps you are right luciash - need more test
FrankP_german: on my online server tiki3 database login not work
tiki installer show blank page
PHP 5.0.4, MySql 5.0.41
sylvieg1: did you check your apache error log?
luciash: sylvieg1: e.g. there are 3 Newsletters (ID 105,106 and 107) sections level 0, one has perm tiki_p_subscribe_newsletters, second has tiki_p_send_newsletters and third tiki_p_admin_newsletters...
sylvieg1: couldn't there be one with the perms separated by comma ?
sylvieg1: I can not answer without testing..
luciash: ok
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luciash: i'm wondering about that because there are others which have, e.g. Received Pages (ID 46) has Permissions: tiki_p_view,tiki_p_admin_received_pages
so i guess it should work and simplify the menu size and editing
sylvieg1: section is a AND
.. a little stupid but ...
and perm too..
not it will nto work
nkoth3: hi guys
sylvieg1: we need an option - it is OR or a AND between section / perms
hi nkoth3
nkoth3: I won't be online much longer today, maybe 1 hour
ricks99: @luciash: hvave moved inline styles in admin: general and admin: login to admin.css. where to commit?
jonnyb: i also have to go out for an hour or so soon, but will be back fro the meeting thing later
sylvieg1: it was the same problem with groups - people were confused
luciash: sylvieg1: you mean Received pages can access only user with both of these perms, right ?
ricks99: branches/3.0
hi nelson
ricks99: tx
sylvieg1: luciash: yes
luciash: it's little stupid, yes
sylvieg1: yes - I agree to change - but think it need an option for compatibility
marclaporte: ricks99: : you were missed these last few days
sylvieg1: or a message on devle list....
ricks99: tx. "real" life got in the way :)
marclaporte: hehe
glad to see you back in fantasy world
sylvieg1: ... a message on devel list and we hange the behavior?
or somebody will use the AND behavior?
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FrankP_german: sylvieg1 : not items
s0nix: we can't use / slash in a internal link ? ((myStruct/myPage)))
luciash: s0nix: is your wiki page name "myStruct/myPage" ?
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17139 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
tikiwiki: [MOD] Put back theme drop-down so it doesn't change the theme without you clicking "apply". It does a post back onchange so you can select theme options.
tikiwiki: Changed message displayed when drop-down showing theme other than the site theme as it was unclear before (suggestions gratefully recieved!).
tikiwiki: Moved users change theme below theme option.
tikiwiki: Would be better if you could preview themes before selecting... TODO
s0nix: yes
but the link just doesn't regonize the page name
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luciash: s0nix: go to Admin > Wiki and select full format for wiki page names links
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17140 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: syntax
sylvieg1: ((myStruct/myPage))) is working for me - so it is the setting luciash spoke about
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MatWho: hi all
sylvieg1: hi
MatWho: is there anything going on in Monreal I should watch in on?
luciash: MatWho: currently no ustream
s0nix: luciash: hmm i'm looking for this option
-: marclaporte is home
marclaporte will soon migrate to CGCOM
luciash: MatWho: evening 18:00 your time
MatWho: ok but I will look out for an announcement on IRC 18:00 is ok for me
s0nix: good, i selected "complete" and that's work. thx
marclaporte: in about 3h
f*^&k so much to do
:-)
luciash: marclaporte: tell me ;)
marclaporte: re the mail: it's linked from DevTips
marclaporte: yay
luciash: (already was)
marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiStringsFormatConvention I see no backlinks
luciash: weird
marclaporte: y
luciash: is baclinks on on dev.tw.o ?
i bet it's off
s0nix: seriously... i don't understand why the pages are not handled using structure path automaticaly, that just ... very bad
luciash: because structures are not made SEFURL compatible, they use ref_id
sylvieg1: marclaporte: this is an old page....
s0nix: the use of page alias doesn't fix anything.... if the url doesn't include a &structure=... , the title at the top of the page is the entire page name... ugly
luciash: s0nix: you can switch the page titles off and put !MyPage at top of your wiki page
marclaporte: you want backlinks on on dev.tw.o ?
ricks99: @luciash: u changed the doc.tw.o home page. instead of 2x2 boxeson home page, i now see 1 column. i think that makes the page too 'long'?
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luciash: ricks99: nope, it dynamically wraps... for higher monitor resolutions it's side by side... it was ugly on large monitor when done fixed 2x2 aligned on left and white space on right
maybe the boxes are also too large ?
ricks99: ah...
i h8 my small monitor
maybe we don't need left & right cols?
dont knowl...
luciash: ricks99: i have 1920x1200 resolution, you know ;)
can you switch them off on doc.tw.o ?
we can enable it
ricks99: have other doc.tw.o revmp ideas...
new home page was onlystep 1
i personally like the big boxes-- makes it easy to figure out where to go. but now (on my montitor at least) "get help" is below the fold
luciash: hmm, marc, backlinks are on on dev.tw.o
marclaporte: seems a bug ?
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luciash: ricks99: kind of like them too, but we should stay consistent with the site look and feel and with the other tw.o sites
ricks99: maybe we can dogfood the fancylist wiki plugin
ricks99: i'd like to see the other sites revamped, too
luciash: i revamped dev.tw.o homepage bit already
ricks99: y. id like to see the three "what do u want to do" boxes moved up (and more graphical)
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s0nix: luciash: Is setting "/" as delimiter of wiki page display supposed to work? in a page link
luciash: s0nix: don't understand, syntax is ((WikiPage|This link goes to my wiki page))
s0nix: ha, i'll specify the name like this also. thx
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luciash: dev.tw.o is somewhat unresponsive to me currently :-/
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marclaporte: I will tell amette
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ricks99: *rick wonders how easy it will be to translate "bare-bones " :)
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nyloth: Hi all :)
sylvieg1: hi
nyloth: Last TikiFest day :/
nkoth3: Hi all
luciash: hi nyloth :)
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Jyhem: polom
luciash: ricks99: not that bad, there are worse like "management" and "groupware" ;)
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nkoth3: I will try and stay online as much as I can, but text only. Depends on EV-DO network coverage. But $3 per MB once I cross the border means I can only send/receive "telegrams" lol.
luciash: polom Jyhem
nkoth3: going to US ?
nkoth3: y
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ricks99: what's wrong with simply "default"?
nkoth3: bare-bones highlights that is is really skeletal - so users are encouraged to select another profile (there will be some more by release time)
luciash: dev and doc is another virtual machine each ?
doc works, dev doesn't
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ricks99: maybe "minimal"?
nkoth3: +1^
luciash: why not
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r17141 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD]new css styles for admin ui revamp. removed the inline styles.
luciash: thx
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nyloth: We are wondering, here in Montreal, if the "assistant" module is usefull anymore. In fact, the default homepage should be enough... and the assistant can't be removed from profiles (which only add things, not remove)... anybody againt removing this module ?
Jyhem: still fighting the coffee machine :-(
nyloth: (well, at least not displaying it, not necessarily removing it completely from tiki)
ricks99: +1
luciash: +10
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luciash: oups :)
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Jyhem: well, what is in the assistant which could not be on the intro welcoming wiki page ?
nyloth: nothing
ok, we'll remove it
luciash: you can even kil it completelly imho
nkoth3: do upgraders get neither/either assistant/welcoming page?
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nkoth3: i suppose if the answer is neither, kill the assistant
luciash: nope
ricks99: the only thing the module has.. identifies menu 42 as the deefault menu
nyloth: chibaguy, marc, amette, .... just arrived
do the video will start soon I suppose
s/do/so/
nkoth3: k, maybe they have views on the assistant
nyloth: sure ;)
nkoth3: "the assistant" sounds a bit like a name of a movie
Caarrie: hehe
-: luciash would love to rename the menu section Admin to Setup
luciash: *g*
nyloth: luciash: not a so bad idea
;)
nkoth3: that would help to clear up the confusion between the "admin" and the "feature admin" pages...
the filename can remain the same I think, could just be a label thing, right?
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luciash: you could say go to Setup > Admin > Wiki, not go to Admin > Admin home > Wiki (sounds wth ?)
tricia: imho feature admin should be feature activation
confusing for newbies
luciash: nkoth3: yes, clicking the Admin section does only javascript togggle anyway now
as the current tiki-admin.php almost exclusively sets up preferences, best for me would be Setup > Preferences > Wiki, but then the sorted menu will not allow "Preferences" on top
nyloth: luciash: well... for me there should not be Amin > Admin home > Wiki , but just Admin (or Setup) > Wiki
luciash: tricia: hmm, we have no "Feature Admin" now
tricia: nyloth: +1
nyloth: I don't understand why the content of 'Admin' menu is not the same as the Admin home
nkoth3: nyloth: +1
amette: yeah, that is really confusing for beginners...
regisb: Hello guys, will be with you soon
MatWho: hey I can see amette!
luciash: because of bad design obviously ;)
nyloth: hi regisb
nkoth3: well - in the sense of "Setup" yes.
regisb: Amette you look awesome!
MatWho: hi
nkoth3: but the contents of the admin menu has all other non-setup admin things
luciash: tiki-admin.php is somewhat different though... should be tiki-admin_prefs.php
the others are already configuration of preferences you have enabled or viewing logs, so somewhat different tasks
nyloth: nkoth3: things that could not be accessible from the Admin home (not necessarilly directly at first level) ?
tricia: i guess what i mean is admin > features
nkoth3: well, another word you can use is "config" vs "admin"
ricks99: *rick thought "admin" = "administer", as in, "Administer the Features, Administer the Wiki" etc
how does that differ from "config features, configure wiki, etc?
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luciash: ok, lets start with small steps ;) rename "Admin" section to "Setup" (or "System") ?
-: SEWilco2 asks Igor about his opinion of the assistant
nyloth: I don't like "System"
chibaguy: good morning. streaming has started.... :-)
nkoth3: to me "to configure" is different from "to administer". "configure" is those things I do once when I first start using thre feature and rarely after. "Administer" are things I do more often.
luciash: ricks99: for me "configuration or administration" is done after you "set up a preference"
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ricks99: hm.. for me, setup is a one-time function
Caarrie: i agree ^^
ricks99: ie, the tikiwiki installler
luciash: yes, set up, anable/disable
Youcef: Hi all
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Jyhem: I just found an article on usability http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/
luciash: so maybe "System" i better :-p which could contain Preferences, Administration (the current tiki-admin_something.php), Security, SysAdm and Info
or something like that
hi Youcef
also we don't have to stick with current Admin section but we can add one more called Setup and include every Preferences section there as menu item and the rest would stay in current Admin section
Youcef: I can see and follow the tikifest
wawn super!
Marc seems busy!
Jyhem: hi
nahhh, Marc is just discussing. He does that a lot :-)
Youcef: I finished yesteraday coding the the spellchecher for research
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Youcef: I mean google-like research edit box
i work fine with french and english
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Youcef: it*
hivemind: error: "toolbar set 'tiki' doesn't exist - WYSIWYG editor under firefox (don't get it under IE7) TW 2.2
Youcef: Hi Marc
amette: yo, what are you guys doing with doc and dev...?!? I have just turned my computer on and both sites die.... :O
pstjean: I haven't been able to access Dev all morning either
Youcef: i would like to have to your advice about the spellchecker for search in Tiki
amette: yeah, marc already told me that luciash told him and I already restarted and I don't know exactly what's up... :-/
Youcef: is it a feature that can be included in the v 3.0?
amette: ... I'm working on it!!
the database is going crazy... :O
99% CPU.. weird...
ok, sites back up
Youcef: do you mean that you're working on this issue?
amette: yup, just finished working on it ;)
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luciash: k, sites back up, lets bring them down again ;)
thx amette
amette: ROFL :P
hivemind: any ideas?
amette: you're welcome, bro
nyloth: sylvieg: about sefurl stuff (which is nice btw): why using a smarty filter instead of directly generating good links through buttons ? (just a question, no problem with that)
luciash: hivemind: sorry, nope
hivemind: nothing re: the WYSIWYG bug?
dang
sylvieg: good link through button?
hivemind: think so. works fine in IE, notsomuch in Firefox (this is over an SSL connection if that matters)
slordjette: Sylvie, question for you.
sylvieg: nyloth: I do not understand
nyloth: sylvieg: smarty button could generate sefurl links directly, instead of tiki-something.php (or AJAX links)
sylvieg: because in the current case it consumes more CPU to parse again the non-sefurl URLS
sylvieg: yeh but for a ref to a page in a wiki page?
I will not do a button?
nyloth: no, but this could be handled inside the wiki parser, no ?
well, it'was just a question btw ;⁾
sylvieg: there are 2 speeds for the sefurl 1) during parse 2) afterwards
one day we will be using ony 1)
nyloth: sylvieg: yes, this is what I hope too :)
sylvieg: ah ok :-)
mycomputer: Hello everyone. I do understand the option "Trackbacks Pings" of blog administration, but I am not sure to understand the option "Post level trackback pings". Can anyone explain it to me?
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chibaguy: mycomputer, sorry, no idea. Did you check the blogs info at doc.tikiwiki.org? Otherwise, I guess you could do a few tests with your install to see what the behavior is.
mycomputer: Thanks chibaguy for your answer : I looked at doc.tikiwiki.org indeed. I will make some tests (later)
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nyloth: nkoth3: around ?
nkoth3: y
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17142 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files): [MOD] new installs: do not display assistant module in default installation. Every information can be put in homepage and assistant module cannot be removed from profiles.
amette: mycomputer: afaik trackback pings code is not in Tiki right now as the implementation was a security risk - need to recode it with another library
nyloth: nkoth3: as you may have seen, sept_7 has updated HTMLPurifier, which is a good thing. But this make me think that we have to add, in the release process, the freeze of external subversion links (I mean: modify the svn properties to look for a specific/fixed revision of each external links, even our third-parties)
mycomputer: amette: so it's useless to activate this option for the moment?
amette: mycomputer: I afraid so, yes.. :(
but test it, probably someone fixed it in between and I didn't notice
mycomputer: amette: OK. thanks a lot for your answer
amette: but if it doesn't work, then don't put too much time into it
yw
nkoth3: nyloth: yeah, that's an interesting situation. it might not seem right to ship with the non-latest version of external libs, but if the external lib upgrade is close to release, it needs to obey the freeze. Unless of course the new version of external libs fix security problems, for e.g. then it is a blocker for release.
nyloth: nkoth3: yes. Because if we do not freeze those external libs, we may update one of them to a new API that is not supported by the stable branch
nkoth3: but this freeze may either be done now or before the candidate release
nkoth3: nyloth: i don't know enough about the each external lib to say what is the correct answer, but in general my impression is that given our svn externals, we should be pulling from the external projects' stable branch, right? If that is the case, then any upgrades are likely just bug fixes with little risk at this stage. So freeze at RC seems enough. But I am not sure of each of the libs we use
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17143 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: trackerlist with popup was not working because parse_first was replacing with . I do not see why this replacement is useful
sylvieg: this commit will probably have side effect - if it has, I will rewrite the smarty popup
freeze extarnal lib - we never know if it is security fix....
SEWilco2: nyloth: I added the SEFURL smarty filter as an option to help catch unprocessed links.
nyloth: SEWilco2: I understand, no problem. But we should update smarty button and other parts of the code to be able to remove this post parsing after that
SEWilco2: nyloth: The filter is for people like me that want to map more URLs and don't care about extra CPU usage. (my cache helps)
nyloth: sylvieg: in fact we should have third_party/3.0/... instead of third_party/...
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SEWilco2: nyloth: I don't understand the meaning of "smarty button".
nyloth: My understanding is that code has to be manually altered for each emitted URL. When that is completed for a URL type, the redundant rule could be removed from the filter.
sylvieg: nyloth: yes but it will be painful to manage - or you think it is easy?
nyloth: SEWilco2: there is a smarty plugin named 'button' which is used in templates to generate nearly all links (at least those who are displayed as buttons). They are in charge of building a standard link (tiki-index.php) or an AJAX link, etc.... and it should also handle sefurl
SEWilco2: nyloth: The button sounds helpful.
nyloth: sylvieg: I think it's easy to create (just svn copy at the release), but more work to update them separately
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sylvieg: I suppose it is easy to call filter_out_sefurl on each link in button
nyloth: sylvieg: yes
SEWilco2: Maybe third_party/3.0 should be used for stuff which requires 3.0?
nyloth: I'm looking for a solution to have a translated HomePage after install... If we add a tra() around the content of this page in tiki-index.php (which creates it), it will be a translated content inside a page named HomePage (and not, for example, 'Accueil' in french). What do you think ? any other suggestion / solution ?
SEWilco2: yes maybe
sylvieg: and why not having the homepage content in language.php
as we do for the date format already
nyloth: sylvieg: if I add a tra() around the content, it will be in language.php, yes
sylvieg: because the have this big left side ... will be painful
but ok
nyloth: oh, ok, you mean... only in language.php, not at all in tiki-index ?
I would prefer not to have the whole content in tiki-index
sylvieg: idea not sure it is good
nyloth: sylvieg: no, in fact I like the idea
sylvieg: I'll do this
sylvieg: tra(HOMEPAGE) and "HOMEPAGE"=>"tototsdfsdfs"
nyloth: sylvieg: but the problem of the pagename still occurs
nkoth3: sylvieg, nyloth: i like it too --- trying to think if any problem.....
sylvieg: buit we need a lang/en/langue.php
yeh page name :_(
nyloth: sylvieg: sure
sylvieg: but it already exists
sylvieg: but it can be empty and deleted for perfmormance reason
nkoth3: does tra handle links ok?
nyloth: sylvieg: do you suggest translation HomePage only when displaying (which is already done I think) or even when creating the page (so change the name that will be in database) which might be a problem if there is things that are looking for "HomePage" in the code... ?
marclaporte: sylvieg: : do you remember about an old script which would check withing tiki code for all external links to doc.tikiwiki.org/XYZ, which was used to help detect/fix links?
sylvieg: need to think about this a little bit
nyloth: sylvieg: ok, I come back in 5 min ;)
SEWilco2: I'm streaming both TF and a radio show. Sounds like WKRP on a bad day.
marclaporte: maybe default content page on HomePage should be handled by profiles nowadays?
nyloth: marclaporte: maybe, but this is probably not possible for 3.0
marclaporte: and we still need a default value for cases where there is no internet connection / profiles
marclaporte: good point
nyloth: the problem is that there is only one HomePage (and not one for each languages, which would be nice when the user changes the language) and creating it with a specific language might be problematic
another idea: creating the HomePage content that uses a wiki plugin that will translate the content automatically
so.. not using tra(), but a wiki plugin
this way, we do not need to create pages for each languages, but just one special HomePage (which name is already translated btw)
so, after a new install, the language switching will work for HomePage
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nyloth: any comments ?
nkoth3: what's the advantage of this over tra?
nyloth: nkoth3: the advantage is that the page will change the content to reflect the language switching... instead of being created only in one fixed language
nkoth3: well, I was thinking that if we tra() from --HOMEPAGE-- or something, that would allow the page to be created in any language too. However, this requires every lang file to have --HOMEPAGE-- default translation in it...
nyloth: nkoth3: yes, but I meant that with tra() the page will be created, for example, in French... and after the installation is done, if the users switch to German, the content will still be french for the HomePage.
nkoth3: with a translation wiki plugin around the page content, it will then be displayed in German
nkoth3: right.
Youcef: the translation issues interest me
and I've a suggestion for this
nyloth: In fact, the right way to translate pages is to use the one page per language and link them together through the translation system... but this is too heavy for the HomePage... (creating 50 pages ?) ... So I prefer a wiki translation plugin for this special case
Youcef: how about to translate documents as we so for messages strings
nyloth: Youcef: I don't see what you mean
Youcef: I mean we have may be to translate document (before installation)
nkoth3: I think the translate plugin nyloth suggests achieves this. Would it still make use of tra though?
Youcef: ok, i try to clarify it again
i think we have to deal with home pages as strings messages
when tiki switch to a new language, it automatically select the right language.php for the new language
may be we have to do the same with the home pages
nyloth: nkoth3: yes
nkoth3: Youcef: yes. I think what nyloth is suggesting achives this
nyloth: I think so too
nkoth3: I kind of imagine we may already have a translate plugin. lol
nyloth: nkoth3: maybe ;p
Youcef: ok
ricks99: q: on admin: text area, why do some plugins have a checkbox, and others (like catorphans) not?
nyloth: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tr.php
Youcef: what make the difference of the this pluging and changing the messages languages?
nyloth: :)
Ok, I'll try with this plugin :)
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nkoth3: Youcef: the difference is that messages is in the code, and the homepage content is in the db
Youcef: if it do the same, that's great
nyloth: Youcef: yep :)
Youcef: BTW, i've a question
nkoth3: it does the same, but for "content" vs. template strings
paberggren: i have a quick question when you are ready...
Youcef: i need to implement a php script, and need to retreive the active language
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nyloth: Youcef: echo $prefs['language']; // ?
Youcef: are there any function in the api to know which language is selected?
nyloth: sylvieg: any comment about the HomePage translation through wiki tr proposal ?
sylvieg: no eral bettter idea
Youcef: thanks so much
now, i've a suggestion about some inconsistency in languages' names
sylvieg: (in fact I have homepage - because if you delete it it come back
s/have/hate
paberggren: is it possible as an admin to make some parts of the wiki private while most are public?
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marclaporte: meeting in 30 mins...
sylvieg: paberggren: it is on my list of things to do
nkoth3: how about simply configuring category perms?
MatWho: how do I join it, with skype?
chibaguy: paberggren, if you mean some wiki pages private and others not, that's already possible.
I think sylvieg is referring to content within one page.
paberggren: tnx - where do I look in the admin section?
Youcef: sylvieg : I'm wondering how you'll translate home page with the pluging?
marclaporte: : MatWho: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03
paberggren: yes - some pages private, most pages public
nkoth3: someone, point to the relevant doc page? I am barred from using my browser,...
chibaguy: paberggren, you assign access permissions to the group you want to have see/edit, etc.
paberggren: chibaguy: of course - thnk you!
sylvieg: paberggren: ah soory I am thinking of different edit sections in a single wiki page
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sylvieg: (sorry it is because I have this problem in mind that I misunderstood)
chibaguy: See doc.tikiwiki.org for info on setting permissions, etc.
nyloth: hi jonnyb
chibaguy: :-)
jonnyb: hi all
paberggren: chibaguy: OK thanks!
chibaguy: thanks for thinking about that, sylvieg
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MatWho: hi jonnyb
amette: ah, forgot to mention - doc and dev are svn upped
jonnyb: i'll record the skype conf call, like last time if no one else is
nyloth: jonnyb: just a suggestion about the way jquery was added to subversion : IMO, it should have been committed into third_party branch, not in each branches. It should use external links in those branches, like it's done for smarty, phplayers, jscalendar, and so on
jonnyb: but no urgency for 3.0
jonnyb: yes, i did consider that - but it's not really a single package (jquery itself is just 2 files) so i wasn't sure that was a good way to do it
also it means we can run one version for release and another in trunk if needs be...
chibaguy: jonnyb, I added a few jquery items here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#jQuasiblockers_jquery_things_
jonnyb: yummy :D
chibaguy: :-)
In case you've nothing else to do.....
sylvieg: ah louis philippe - if you can check my last commit http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php?r1=17140&r2=17143 - I suppose you know why this line is here
nyloth: jonnyb: ok. I saw much more than 2 files, this is why. Probably not from jquery main code then.
jonnyb: (looks for roll-on-floor-laughing smiley)
sylvieg: :-)
I know lph is on 'vacation' :-)
chibaguy: :-)
nyloth: sylvieg: lph won't probably anwser...
sylvieg: if I do not ask - I will not have...
jonnyb: yes nyloth - it's about 6 things joined together - including jquery.ui and the tooltips etc plugins
i put a readme file in to explain the layout (so no one will read it ;) ) but will adapt or change it if others think it could be better
i tried to aim for minimum maintenance
chibaguy: i fixed two of them this morning, have plans for the others (and added a couple myself!)
nyloth: jonnyb: ok
chibaguy: thank you
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17144 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tag.php: [SEC] wikiplugin_tag: secured to allow only tags without attributes
sylvieg: nyloth: one thing I do not like with homepage - if your default is article - and you have no wiki default - the homepage is created again after for example delete of a page. I do not like it...
nyloth: sylvieg: yes, the homepage should be created once, at installation time, and not in tiki-index.php
sylvieg: ok we agree
nyloth: but changing this is probably too late for 3.0
sylvieg: yeh next release
nkoth3: note that tiki-editpage.php also returns homepage if no page specified, so removing this is not completely trivial
yeah
nyloth: I think I'll do a small hack for HomePage translation in 3.0, rollback if you don't like
To precise, the hack might be to use 'en' translation of the homepage content (let say '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT') in tra() if there is no translation available in the language required
because we don't want to have _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ that displays in every languages that doesn't have a translation
pascalstjean: Conference call will begin shortly
if you would like to be added please contact me via skype
skype ID = pascalstjean
nyloth: well... I'll see
pascalstjean: I'll gladly add you to the conference call
nkoth3: I need close captioning. :)
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MartinCleaver: Howdy Tiki-ers
nkoth3: no - too expensive
MartinCleaver: Q: I note that UsersLib extends TikiLib and that the event of successful login is instigated through routines validate_user and validate_user_cas ; Does Tiki allow the administrator to specify a subclass of UsersLib to be used?
nkoth3: roaming too expensive
Hi MartinCleaver
nkoth3= Nelson
MartinCleaver: Some one's not on Skype!!
y, I figured!
nkoth3: roaming... expensive
MartinCleaver: hence not on Skype?!
you are in Montreal?
nkoth3: many TIki people are in Montreal -
MartinCleaver: for the Fest
nkoth3: but I had to take a train to US today.
MartinCleaver: aha
This bit above is an extract from an email to you...
nkoth3: Anyway, I am not sure about the answer to your Q. Maybe someone else knows.
But userslib don't look to me like a first class php5 object to me
MartinCleaver: Ok - will send you the email as is...
nkoth3: I mean it was written in the php4 era
i won't be checking email till late tonight though
MartinCleaver: Y, PHP. bluegh.
php5 is much better
but still
:)
hopefully someone else will have an answer
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MartinCleaver: I'm thinking to extend UsersLib and overrides the validate_user_cas routine with one that wraps super->UsersLib::validate_user_cas with the bits we need to override.
nkoth3: sounds theoretically possible. I don't know. btw, a conference call was starting just before you joined the irc chat room.... so people might be engaged in that
MartinCleaver: ok
chibaguy: Anyone watching ustream video, is sound ok?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests
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chibaguy: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009
MartinCleaver: Nelson: tiki-setup_base.php:$userlib = new UsersLib($dbTiki);
luciash: chibaguy: is cool
MartinCleaver: that's where it kicks off
amette: heya MartinCleaver :)
chibaguy: heh, sorry about the video glitch (tripod leg collapsed)
MartinCleaver: howdy amette !
wow. the code base is quick an adventure
-: jonnyb tries out an action
jonnyb: woo! such a n00b ;)
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luciash: just a note for the skype conference call ppl: you can click the little mic icon to mute your mic when you don't want to actually talk
pascalstjean: agreed
it will have better overall sound for everyone
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chibaguy: Skype conference call starting. Ustream and IRC also for nonskypers.
luciash: weird skype call is somewhat quiet by the last man talking
MatWho: no sound
jonnyb: well that went well! :)
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MatWho: help I got cut off
Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
MatWho: :)
m_stef: hi guys.
luciash: why the call was drop ?
pascalstjean: not sure
MatWho: gone again
luciash: ok
marclaporte: please see: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03#Agenda
MatWho: yes
sylvieg: yes
wikiman: Eric here.
slordjette: Hi everyone
luciash: weird is i hear better from the one with phone on the ustream channel than from my skype
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MatWho: this is so exciting I can hardly sit still!!!
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luciash: *g*
chibaguy: MatWho, feel free to pace about...
luciash: who is the phone number ? :-p
MatWho: ok .... pace .... pace ... bump ..... pace ...
amette: chibaguy: I got it - it was a clear case of "Houston, we have two problems" ;)
MatWho: :)
amette: first needed to disable TCP-checksumming due to Xen-bug and then disable Apache's Sendfile systemcall usage due to the documentroot being mounted via NFS
now it should be rather ok - first load still takes a bit, but then it runs nicely :)
luciash: can't hear well when the "phone number" talks :-p
or speaks
*g*
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chibaguy: ah, ok, amette, thanks....
amette: now we need to figure out the themes to install and find a way to make it easy for you to install new ones..
chibaguy: yes, much faster
amette: great :)
chibaguy: (amette is tuning new themes.tw.o server)
amette: (yup)
luciash: good idea :)
amette: luciash: you can test with /etc/hosts entry: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org
luciash: marc will participate in da call ?
amette: yup
luciash: amette: kewl
pascalstjean: here we go
MatWho: legibility index is at 3 out of 10
CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17146 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] default HomePage translation: allow translators to translate the default homePage by translating '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_' string in lang/*/language.php
luciash: if marc is the "phone number" talking i can hear him very badly, others ppl audi is perfect
jonnyb: sounds good to me
luciash: *audio even
MartinCleaver: nkoth3__: y.t. ?
amette: what frickin' "phone number talking" do you actually mean?
MatWho: yes
he means the phone in from the conference phone in your room sounds rubbish
amette: ah, ok... hmm.. :-/
luciash: i can hear you very quietly, marc, but if others are ok, i'll try to adjust my volume up
amette: luciash: you were _really_ silent here, too - we hear others rather clean and loud
MatWho: marc get closer to phone or get phone closer to marc
amette: wow - marc already speaks rather loudly!! :-/
luciash: amette: ah, thanks for letting me know
amette: yw
luciash: i think i have to put volume from ustream broadcast up again to be able what you talk about guys .-/
jonnyb: only getting about 10% of this
amette: you guys probably don't really hear jyhem now, right?
ouch, fuck... :(
sylvieg: not very much
pascalstjean: the Mic we are using for USteam is much better
luciash: :D
sylvieg: yes
pascalstjean: we are trying to fix it
once sec
MatWho: The conference phone keeps cutting out get closer to it
sylvieg: the ustream sound is better
luciash: about 5 seconds
3-5 seconds
sylvieg: I headr everything - but I needed to concentrate
+1 perfect
pascalstjean: ok USteam and Skype at the same time
please try both
luciash: the problem is when i have ustream sound up i hear everything twice :-p
pascalstjean: and use what works best
jonnyb: that's good for me
sylvieg: ustream is 1 minutes later - not real time
pascalstjean: ok
luciash: i think i'll mute my skype output ;)
pascalstjean: for some USteam doesn't have that long of a delay
marclaporte: FYI: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Roadmap
MatWho: audibility index is 4 out of 10
marclaporte: 4 major points: 1- Calendar releases, 2- Stable downloads, 3- Trunk, releasable at any time, 4- Experimental branches
MatWho: no sound
nyloth: and : http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+To+Commit
nkoth3__: pascalstjean - there is a phone number people can call?
pascalstjean: long distance yes
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pascalstjean: one sec guys we are trying out
amette: we're trying to fix it by coming into the skype call with the good UStream mic
chibaguy: ustream will be down for a minute while mic is switched.
sylvieg: am i the only to no sync between skype and ustream - ustream is about 30s late
jonnyb: good plan
MatWho: The phone you are using is not designed for conferences, it will cut off the microphone when the speaker is operation, to stop it howling. You need a special conference phone.
luciash: sounds of future ;)
jonnyb: :O
amette: ;)
MatWho: ustrean gone now
nyloth: sylvieg: yes, Ustream is very slow
MatWho: ustream
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sylvieg: good to have somebody with a cough - at least we know we are still connected
amette: LOL :P
I do my very best ;)
jonnyb: me too
sylvieg: keep on the good job
amette: :)
Jyhem: back online :-)
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MatWho: pace ... pace ...
sylvieg: pace for me too
MatWho: :)
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m_stef: interesting feeling to have you all - here at home.
amette: :)
chibaguy: ustream back up. laptop mic being used (which accounts for the thumping sound -- keyboard)
amette: how's sound now?
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mib_99ebep: hello guys
iam katz_kul and nothing is currently being broadcasted
luciash: for me the same, but i can hear a bit
:-/
chibaguy: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests
mib_99ebep: yup same url
chibaguy: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009
amette: wuh? weird... so it's skype and not the microphone that's the problem...?!?
marclaporte: A * calendar releases
B * a stable, bug-free version available for download
C * a dev version suitable for use at any time
D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which
are merged afterwards
E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.)
F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app
G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof
luciash: seems so, maybe skype for linux handles phone calls badly while skype calls are good ?
sylvieg: somebcan you hear me?
luciash: no idea
sylvieg: yes ok
pascalstjean: yes
please repeat
we can hear you
nyloth: woaoo
luciash: i'll better write and hear ustream channel
nyloth: hard to understand here
mib_99ebep: now i hear
sylvieg: the 3 rukles are working - no need to chage
luciash: (skype crashed)
amette: I agree with sylvie
nyloth: well, IMO this is not to replace the 3 rules
pascalstjean: im' trying to get you back up luci
sylvieg: easy to upgrade + open politics + build-in feature
amette: I didn't have the feeling like it's about replacing the 3 rules - but what's it about then? ;)
extending them?
refining?
nyloth: completing
luciash: i don't know what's the problem :-p
MatWho: this important conversation is not working due to skype
luciash: with 3Rules i mean ;)
amette: *g*
nyloth: for me there is no problem ;p
mib_99ebep: i like the embedding
amette: for me neither
mib_99ebep: on tiki way better :)
sylvieg: sorry I used reserved word - marc's 3 points
luciash: LOL, reserved word ?
nyloth: sylvieg: so you meant the 3 first points ?
sylvieg: yes
nyloth: ok
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jonnyb: i think the skype conf is not helping (50 minutes and very little communication so far) - better with ustream and irc - imho
nyloth: we don't have a real B yet
B = a stable, bug-free version available for download
jonnyb: also, people could call in like i did about the jquery stuff
pascalstjean: technical maintenace being performed
one more minute
luciash: i think we never had real B
pascalstjean: then we will turn it off
we are trying new speaker and mic
nyloth: marc is doing a lot of noise here ;p
luciash: *g*
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luciash: BSoD ! wow
MatWho: The problem is that the release version is getting very little support/bug fixes - so every one moves on to trunk to get fixes and the latest features. This then makes trunk very difficult to develop with because so many people use trunk as if it was a production version.
nyloth: ok, so.. who doesn't agree with one of the points listed by marc ? (A to G)
luciash: i haven't seen it for years ;)
nyloth: MatWho: I agree
sylvieg: MatWho: yes we need more bug fix into 3.0
amette: MatWho: nyloth said that two days ago - we need (should) work for one/two months on the stable some further before concentrating on trunk
nyloth: I agree with what amette reported from my previous thoughts ;p
luciash: i didn't hear what is the ABC list about so i can't say
Jyhem: MatWho: I agree that release version should get real bugfixes (not just security), so that it's actually what people want to use in production
luciash: is it priorities ? ascendant list ?
jonnyb: A * calendar releases
B * a stable, bug-free version available for download
MatWho: the problem is there is a point missing Point H - we fix important bugs in he production version and migrate enhancements over as possible from trunk to the production version in between main releses
amette: I opt for allowing 3.x releases for bugfixing, slight feature improvement - and use 3.x.y for security patches (as is common practice with version numbering - this also helps with people assessing what they download)
jonnyb: C * a dev version suitable for use at any time
D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which are merged afterwards
E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.)
F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app
amette: MatWho: I wouldn't migrate stuff from trunk to stable - that's what trunk is for
jonnyb: G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof
luciash: amette: +1
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Jyhem: amette: +1
sylvieg: in fact I like backport we test in trunk and if ok we put back in 3.0
jonnyb: I'd say D is tricky one for me - more time managing the branch than actually doing the coding
nyloth: amette: we could also keep 3.x only, for bugfixes and/or for security fixes
MatWho: but that meant everyone is made to move from the production version to trunk and then it gets difficult to develop in trunk
Jyhem: but still fix important bugs in he production version: +1
MatWho: sylvieg: exactly, I agree
sylvieg: is more secure than deevlopping directly in 3.0
luciash: nyloth: we can't when you named the branch 3.0 ;)
nyloth: just joking
nyloth: luciash: lol
MatWho: sylvieg: yes exactly, we need to manage the process of adding fixes/functions in to 3.x
nyloth: sylvieg: I agree... but will people do backport ? Do we need a quality team that do the backport ?
amette: sylvieg: I wouldn't put completely new features in the released version - only fixes in already existing features - it's only six months to the next release, that should be ok - no?
sylvieg: I will go for we develop in trunk and each week we backport in 3.0 what is interesting
amette: hmmm....
MatWho: sylvieg: +10
sylvieg: ye a quality team will be good for that
luciash: interesting idea
nyloth: sylvieg: ok for a quality team for this task
chibaguy: streaming will be off momentarily for another mic switch.
MatWho: sylvieg: ok maybe just backport easy/important features
m_stef: sylvieg: +1
Jyhem: which would be the stable releases ?
MatWho: 3.x
marclaporte: We are testing new speakerphone setup on Skype
This seems better
sylvieg: sound is good now
MatWho: good sound
m_stef: yay. let us hear it on ustream as well. ;)
pascalstjean: remember if you are not talking please mute your mic
will generate even better sound
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MatWho: yes from me
sylvieg: yes
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sylvieg: you baclport by replying the diff
reapplying
MatWho: If it is "important"
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sylvieg: the reviewer group decides - it is not a free world
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nyloth: sylvieg: +10
MatWho: sylvieg: +1
jonnyb: amazing noises...
Jyhem: who is the reviewer group ?
any volunteers ?
sylvieg: who volunteer?
nyloth: the "quality team" we were talking about
nkoth3_: sylvieg: +10 reviewer group decides on backport
nyloth: I volunteer if there is not enough other volunteers
Jyhem: ok, who is the quality team ?
sylvieg: I volunteer
nyloth: Jyhem: it has to be created
sylvieg: and choices are abritary - no need to explain - it is the group responsability
MatWho: yes
jonnyb: i'll help - and we review the reviewers each major release?
nyloth: :)
no problem for me ;p
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Jyhem: :-)
sylvieg: right
MatWho: yes
No
sylvieg: no because the bacport will be more and more difficult - so one day it will be time to move on
jonnyb: terrible sound - have we been invaded?
nyloth: lol
MatWho: 4.0 will be the way to get new features in that have taken serious changes to achive
luciash: i gived up with skype and listening perfect sound from the ustream ;)
nyloth: 4.0, 5.0, and so on are scheduled... so they will surely be released
sylvieg: I do not agree to define rules - it is arbitrary - if somebody wnat really the fix to be in 3.0 , he should explain - prove... that it will create no problem
nkoth3_: maybe the quality team could be release/branch specific
nyloth: I agree with sylvie ... I think the quality team should decide or vote
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nyloth: amette: +1
sylvieg: no database change will perhpas one rule
MatWho: a suggestion : it gets back ported if a) it will be a safe backport that has little impact and b) is required to stop someone moving on to trunk to get things working. This is just a vague definition and I agree the Q Team should decide
nyloth: sylvieg: probably
tricia: fyi: getting WARNING: Plugin disabled REDIRECT! on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries
sylvieg: we still need one month where we work bug fix in 3.0 and merge in trunk
amette: tricia: yeah,m with 3.0 we need to look at the new system again... I'll take a note - thanks!
tricia: link to the page? so I can check?
jonnyb: MatWho & sylvieg: +1
nyloth: sylvieg: yes, the QTeam may take care of the stable release after the final release, not after the technical release
sylvieg: ok
MatWho: ok
m_stef: do you take into account what could be if a unit testing framework would be installed?
Jyhem: So, first decision is: QA team (Sylvie, Nyloth, JonnyB) decide what is backported in 3.0 ?
sylvieg: the good point is that the fix/modif is checked in trunk before to be backported
m_stef: i believe that unit testing framework would make things like backporting also easier.
nyloth: sylvieg: yes
Jyhem: I suggest we take the unit testing framework into account when it is installed and evaluated ?
nyloth: m_stef: probably, but for me it's another point
m_stef: ok
MatWho: sylvieg: exactly
sylvieg: I give up with skype - seems nobody hear me - I hear perfectly
tricia: amette: some othershttp://doc.tikiwiki.org/Blogs http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Forums
sylvieg: it is still a good idea - (if it is not a personal branch)
MatWho: I have lost skype
nyloth: sylvieg: +1
amette: tricia: great, thanks! :)
jonnyb: i bailed out (skype)
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tricia: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries
sarright :)
amette: :)
jonnyb: branches should be for very heavy things that will break lots of stuff - like changes to prefs or categories (need doing)
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sylvieg: +1 for jonnyb
nyloth: marclaporte: I think we can affort it. Keeping trunk as stable as possible, using experimental branches for new features still in development. + a stable qith backports from QTeam
I'm not so far to agree with jonnyb too
;)
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MatWho: yes Branches is where you try and get things to work, Trunk is where you try and get what works back in to the main product. X.X is what people use for real work and it should be supported with minor backports when it is important and they defiantly will work.
sylvieg: man power on Qteam will limit the backport
if enough ressource to backport - nice / but not sure we have
6 months for me
nyloth: sylvieg: I think we can try
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jonnyb: I favour releasing new things when they exist and work, not just when it's a certain month
I also like version numbers to represent how much has changes in the code (but i'm generally old-fashioned)
+1 from me on doing 3.01 etc
nyloth: -1 for me
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sylvieg: they would like securty and bug fixes
luciash: btw, if i understand you, at my job we still use CVS but we do it like you propose, we keep stable stuff on HEAD where really stable versions of file meant for production are tagged STABLE, unsure tagged TEST and we eventually create branches for testing/experimental
(well, but this is too different i think)
bbl
sylvieg: people can use svn export if they want the soft
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sylvieg: release can stay when security pbs occur
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sylvieg: I do not really aggeree with jonnyb to release when we think there is enough good features -
SEWilco2: "Enough" and "good" are subjective. And off I go to write some defiant code...
jonnyb: i know sylvieg, it's just me :)
sylvieg: it is time consuming to release ....
nyloth: sylvieg: +1
sylvieg: prefer to spend my energy in backporting
we can say people your bug is fixed the revision svn export this revision
amette: nyloth: what did you say yesterday? Our goal should be to be able to release "in five minutes"? I agree with that - it's a good goal! :)
SEWilco2: "make release"
amette: yup
SEWilco2: tiki-make_release.php
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jonnyb: (custom js and css in database) it's on my list marclaporte! :)
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jonnyb: maybe we should have a deprecated label - like experimental but the opposite
like for imagegals
we never close ;)
MatWho: jonnyb: +1
nyloth: deprecated / obsolete, yes, but only for 1 or 2 versions...
chibaguy: jonnyb, I suggested the same thing, only with the label 'Neglected'
:-)
amette: http://amette.eu/blogpost166
jonnyb: ah... sounds so sad!
nyloth: instead we will end with more features in deprecated than in the rest
chibaguy: the truth hurts...
marclaporte: I think the most important thing is calendar releases.
SEWilco2: I've been contributing stuff which is generalized, to make it easier to be used in many situations without customization.
marclaporte: neglected LOL
SEWilco2: And now that I discovered that imagegals is out of favor, my imaging stuff is supporting both imagegal and filegal.
nyloth: I would like to have neglected/deprecated/whatever features that are announced like this in 1 or 2 versions max
MatWho: chibaguy: but by making something "depreciated" might be the motivation required for someone to rescue it, currently it is very difficult to see what needs fixing/rescuing
jonnyb: SEWilco2: good plan - we're (going to be) doing similar with GroupMail
sylvieg: ok for me
SEWilco2: Deprecated. "Depreciated" is a financial term. Is there a numerical scoring system?
chibaguy: "decroded"
SEWilco2: "eroding"
sylvieg: the 'quality team' should be open - it is easy to backport with the author...
jonnyb: rusty
nyloth: ok
sylvieg: I am not sure I trust enough peple to backport....
any people
nkoth3: So long as there is a "reasonable" (need not be fixed) time limit or features that are deprecated to stay around. I really like the deprecated label.
jonnyb: QTeam will end up doing a fair bit of it, i guess
nyloth: the QTeam will be in charge of backporting bugfixes. What about translations, themes fixes and security fixes ? (just to be more precise)
nkoth3: I think the QT can get helpers, but is ultimately the decider.
nyloth: For translations, I think QTeam is not necessaeirly needed
sylvieg: traanslation can not really be backported
MatWho: nyloth: +1
jonnyb: +1 nyloth (translations)
m_stef: is marc proposing a semantic configuration?
sylvieg: I want a little bit of control
nkoth3: +1 nyloth (translations)
sylvieg: it is why I would like an open Qteam
amette: sylvieg: you have it by being on the quality team - it'll work out!
open qteam sounds very good
marclaporte: m_stef: huh?
sylvieg: I am no more on skyope - seems nobody heard me...
jonnyb: i gotta go for a little while - someone's cooked food for me :D - i'll be back (& will try and catch up)
amette: and then discuss with the people who want their stuff backported, if and how it is done
m_stef: no only ustream... :(
30 seconds lag, i know
:)
sylvieg: +1 amette
MatWho: no skype
amette: ( this includes the IF and the WHO - so it'll be ok I think - we'll see about the final process - let it develop, I say)
SEWilco2: Or document how to contribute a backport so a dev can contribute both forward and back versions.
pascalstjean: everybody moved to UStream
m_stef: marclaporte: tagged configuration options sound a lot like a semantic whatever.
sylvieg: yes pascalstjean
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sylvieg: I need to check my headset is working properly - was at the beginning - but I lost the possibility to speak
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sylvieg: experimental - forever
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MatWho: back in 5 mins
SEWilco2: "Igor, that vat stinks, dump it out."
nyloth: If the branch is not needed anymore, it would be fait from the developper to close it (I've done it recently for calendar_ng)
s/fait/fair/
sylvieg: ustream is good
m_stef: i meet the lead developer tomorrow of ustream, if you agree i'll buy him a tikibeer.
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sylvieg: :-)
-: SEWilco2 nods gently, so as to not upset the tikibeer's head.
chibaguy: m_stef, please tell him thanks for the service. It's been great for us. :-)
amette: m_stef: do that! Ttell him, we had a good time with his product!! :)
m_stef: i already invited him to this conf, not sure if he makes it, but i wanted to show him, in what innovative ways their service is used. ;)
amette: :)
sylvieg: 1) +1 for rick job and other
SEWilco2: Does ustream have a way for streams to categorize themselves, so streams about one event could be in same category? Ustream could suggest such related things.
sylvieg: you give tags to a broadcast
so you can waht you want...
SEWilco2: Oh, good.
sylvieg: point 1) I do like too much the themes for the tw sites - not very sexy - even if it is a good theme - but not enough colorful / javascript... for these sites
2 point) good job chibaguy, luciash, pkdille and others...
marclaporte: :-)
SEWilco2: Speaking of installation... easier favicon installation would be nice.
marclaporte: SEWilco2 : + 1 and with logo as well
SEWilco2: marclaporte: "Type a description of your desired logo. The image and an invoice will be produced." :-)
sylvieg: Yeh nyloth
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amette: wb ricks99_ :)
nyloth: hi ricks99
ricks99_: :)
amette: check out: http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/523448 ;)
and http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009
( beware, the stream is there too - so you might get sound duplication ;) )
the link directly to ustream doesn't lag so far behind though apparantly
sylvieg: +1 for chibaguy and css layput
marclaporte: chibaguy rocks
amette: yup :)
sylvieg: and like this we can document and explain what table.normal is for
for instance
amette: :)
nyloth: sylvieg: +1
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SEWilco2: themes3.tw.o
MatWho: hi
SEWilco2: Or... 3.themes.tw.o ?
sylvieg: you can overload icon now - thax nyloth
nyloth: :)
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chibaguy: right, we need descriptions of existing css selectors, as guideline for developers, to avoid new selectors...
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chibaguy: ...that may be unneeded.
luciash: problem with favicon is that it's not easy to overwrite because in root of tiki
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sylvieg: I do not hink people are specialized - so it is hard to say this guy is the guy of the feature...
luciash: except if we will forget favicon support for ie6
sylvieg: luciash: you can do a special command that write in root(if the perms are good)
SEWilco2: luciash: Being in root and awkwardness in uploading are two favicon problems. Being in root makes it a candidate for an installation step.
marclaporte: matthew?
matthew: can you tell us about marketing?
MatWho: yes
MartinCleaver: nkoth3: y.t. ?
MatWho: is skype going to work?
marclaporte: yes
sylvieg: it was working..
SEWilco2: Just enough time to run a TW commercial.
luciash: favicon in FF can be anywhere else and different format than ico
sylvieg: thx luciash did not know that
marclaporte: no, call Pascal
luciash: sylvieg: i'm not sure, you have to give write permission to the favicon file itself and dunno if it will work if / is not writable
SEWilco2: luciash: Good point. We could provide easier support for non-IE favicon, and document the rest.
sylvieg: luciash: yes it is the point / problem
marclaporte: Pascal's computer has speakerphone
luciash: SEWilco2: yep, that could be good compromise
sylvieg: (like the .htaccess file btw)
marclaporte: loud and clear
sylvieg: hi MatWho
hello
luciash: heeelou :D
:)
sylvieg: heee loooooo
SEWilco2: luciash: Don't need write permission to a file if there is a .htaccess rule pointing to a certain file/program which emits favicon.
marclaporte: can you give us status report on marketing?
amette is gone
sylvieg: SEWilco2: good point
luciash: SEWilco2: ah yup, htaccess can work it out
marclaporte: yes
yes, we hear you loud and clear
tricia: nice haircut
luciash: huh ?
tricia: bad joke speaker on phone see phone, phone has nice haircut
omstefanov: thanks Matthew
luciash: aaah :D
omstefanov: what name do you want to protect?
luciash: it's like live on news ;)
chibaguy: :-)
sylvieg: ahaha
luciash: omstefanov: that's the problem we don't know yet :-p
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omstefanov: i heard marc loud and clear
chibaguy: (actual mic/speaker shown -- regular phone before was studio prop)
sylvieg: what is the name ? aaaaa
luciash: ROFL, chibaguy is learning broadcasting tricks ;)
nyloth: sylvieg: lol
sylvieg: how about GGG ? ;)
sylvieg: do we know at least one guy who comes from mediawii?
tricia: sound echo echo echo
has sound changed changed changed ??
sylvieg: I have write for the cnrs the import/export xml of page (with attacfh, comment, image) ... if somebody has an idea about a good format for this xml file - it can be poweful for the part out the syntax
chibaguy: tricia, be sure you only have one window playing the video.
luciash: no echo here, check if you don't have two ustream players open
sylvieg: cool
sylvieg: migating the look?
I think content will be already a good step
tricia: thanks had a shadow box, it started to echo all of a sudden ???? :-:
plus fort patrice !!
luciash: tricia: soory, if you open in hadowbox you have to pause the one on page first :-/
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nyloth: :)
sylvieg: for example transfer a page with all its dependency from one tiki and another one - we need that
dependencies
-1 for this idea - for personal reason - because my customers one day will give me a calendar job, ontother will be tracker
nyloth: same as sylvieg
SEWilco2: It would help to have contact people for things.
sylvieg: I do not want to specialize - but it is MY situation
omstefanov: 1 for this idea too. perhaps "interest groups" for features?
SEWilco2: sylvieg: Just take your specialized problem and supply a generalized solution.
Jyhem: same as Sylvie
SEWilco2: sylvieg: Would also be nice so a page could be shared among a community of servers.
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luciash: we got a feedback coment ;) → http://www.ustream.tv/channel/523448
sylvieg: so we need 10 .. mailing lists
nyloth: sylvieg: LOL
marclaporte: filters/tags/categories
sylvieg: I think the devel list is not enough specialize...
SEWilco2: We need a "contact info" space on web page for various features. Multiple names allowed. Wiki page? Tracker field?
MatWho: SEWilco2: +1
nyloth: sylvieg: +1
sylvieg: SEWilco2: fien I will put my name in each one
tricia: sewilco2: +1
SEWilco2: Contact info could be dev.tw.o user name. email address not necessary.
nyloth: SEWilco2: -1
sylvieg: we will finish like the consultants apge - a big list and people do not know how to approach the list
SEWilco2: With two comments, is that a -1 or (-1*2)?
Approach the list with flowers or chocolate.
nyloth: :)
chibaguy: and money
MatWho: SEWilco2: This seems to be an easy solution to the problem, which does not change much but makes it really easy to find the person who knows the answer
tricia: quick question: tikiwiki markup for comments ???
luciash: tricia: ? we have quotes plugin
sylvieg: i think we know each other - and when there is a message on the devel that can be considered asour duty to answer - I answer
luciash: for comment area the same syntax as wiki page
nyloth: sylvieg: +1
tricia: inline comments like html <!-- fdkalsfkl ->
luciash: ah, there's one, yep, wiki plugin i think
tricia: see the help
sylvieg: what is this page?
tricia: i did try, takes some digging, was being lazy as everyone is on
SEWilco2: Are IRC comments visible to the TF discussioneers?
sylvieg: what is this page?
marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/WhoWhat
sylvieg: tricia ~tc~
luciash: sylvie digged it out :)
tricia: hooray sylvie to the rescue again !!! merci mille fois
sylvieg: :-)
new contributors +1 and -1
SEWilco2: The permissions in 2.2 still seem fragile, so it's harder to not give admin rights to people. And admins can break sites.
crickets
marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/SWOT#Integration_of_new_contributors_to_the_community_D_
sylvieg: we need a Qteam - because the newbies that are not happy because we do not agree with their code ... take this personnally
-: SEWilco2 keeps thinking of the Lensman Q-gun.
sylvieg: (I had 2 persons recently that were unhappy with me because I said thet it was not feeting tw
and after you must say - ok commit and we have a big 'verrue' in the code
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luciash: sylvieg: yup yup
ricks99: we can now capture email addresses from new installs (via mail test)...
sylvieg: ricks99: is smart ;-)
luciash: ricks99: that's privacy breach
sylvieg: te regexp in tracker
ricks99: not if disclosed
sylvieg: and th best_lang
luciash: don't forget we're open source ;)
MatWho: ricks99: -100
ricks99: how about simply an automated response to their test email? "thanks for installing"
sylvieg: th regexp tracker was badly implemented - and each 2 days he snet we an email he wants to commit because it is done
MatWho: ricks99: much better
marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Roadmap
luciash: btw, i tested the mail thing on my localhost, it said ok, but i didn't received any mail from info at tw.o.. is it ok there goes actually no mail ?
ricks99: @luciash: dont quite understand. I have seen lots of the test emails coming to info@tw.o
chibaguy: streaming still ok? video is stuck on my monitoring of ustream tikifests page.
luciash: or it goes to /dev/null ?
gary: works but slow video
sylvieg: no idea about radmaop for 4.0 depends on customers...
ricks99: no, it is a real addresss
chibaguy: yeah, ok.
nkoth3: i clicked that test mail some days ago also....
chibaguy: I hope the recorded video clip is better.
ricks99: but if we want to do an auto-responder, should use a unique address
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sylvieg: IE6 will be hard
chibaguy: recording of video seems to be going ok.
lq_180: Hello. I'm trying to integrate phpbb forums into tikiwiki. I've read through the forums but haven't found alot other than people talking about tikipro and bitweaver. I found this page on bitweaver about the integration http://www.bitweaver.org/wiki/phpBB+Edits but can this be done on tikiwiki?
chibaguy: lq_180, if you're a good coder, probably so. ;-)
sylvieg: bitweaver does not support anymoer phpbb - so far I know
luciash: ricks99: ok, i thought i receive mails sent to info tw.o but i mixed it with the watches which go "from", sorry
ricks99: @lq_180: open request: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=8qw&q=tikiwiki+phpbb&btnG=Search
chibaguy: lq_180, our priority is to improve internal features rather than integrate outside programs.
MatWho: I have to go and eat ...
sylvieg: bon appetit
marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/AvanTech_net
luciash: lq_180: maybe via integrator but it's very old code unmaintained
nkoth3: why not use the forums in TikiWiki?
sylvieg: forum in tikiwiki will allow to share perms, access...
lq_180: I can't figure out how to break down the forums in tikiwiki into sections and subsections
that's the only reason
SEWilco2: {TELECONFERENCE} plugin? Configurable for various video/chat services? Iframes?
sylvieg: thre is section notion in forum
ricks99: @lq_180: see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Forum+User&structure=Documentation#Creating_editing_forums "section" option
sylvieg: that groups forums together - only one level
Jyhem: our ratings would be better with more girls on screen
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luciash: btw, isn't netineo something simmilar ?
-: SEWilco2 looks for the Skype archive...
luciash: as ustream.tv ?
nkoth3: to ustream?
luciash: nkoth3: yep, it's about online tv channels too, right ?
lq_180: I'm reading through the stuff and while it says the forums can be broken into sections, it does not say how this is done
sylvieg: it is the 4 setting line in admin-> a forum
nkoth3: yes, similar - not exactly the same, ustreamis bigger though (I suppose $13mi in funding helps)
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lq_180: lol wow I don't know how I missed that. I guess it's been a long day. Thank you
sylvieg: phone conference will be good
luciash: nkoth3: just remember it because it dogfoods tiki partly ;)
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SEWilco2: TF stream froze and audio is breaking up.
marclaporte: beer for us soon
so speak now
or else :-)
nkoth3: luciash: sure.
sylvieg: I am here
ricks99: waiting for my beer :)
wikiman: Here
SEWilco2: nkoth: Sure, you online or sure you gave up?
tricia: lurking
sylvieg: hope I have a beer in the freezer
SEWilco2: "15 viewers"
sylvieg: no 16..
luciash: sylvieg: last time we tried call conference we used gizmo and it worked pretty well, there's audio recorded still attached to the dev page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=AdminUIRevamp20071210
nkoth3: SEWilco2: ?
sylvieg: thanks
wikiman: This was a good experience. Thank you all.
-: luciash still have one in the fridge too ;)
lq_180: so what was added in the beta 3.0 package?
sylvieg: and thanks for chibaguy the cameraman
SEWilco2: Is this the end of the TF, or should we wait for return?
tricia: thank you everyone, only problem is no way to get beer virtually
nyloth: :)
SEWilco2: tricia: There is a way, but it's a hardware problem.
luciash: many thanks to chibaguy, right
SEWilco2: No partying words.
tricia: dang, i hate hardware
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SEWilco2: tricia: Even hardware with beer?
sylvieg: the sound is breaking down each 10 mn - my computer is tired
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tricia: welll
that I would like
luciash: yes, here too, i think ustream servers are getting overloaded
tricia: gtg great fest everyone thanks again
SEWilco2: tricia: A beer well? There's an idea.
tricia: oooh good idea
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sylvieg: blapblapblap
luciash: yeeeeah ! very cool virtual tikifest for me ;) thanks to my wife that she allowed me to sit the whole time here ;)
m_stef: yaehaw
SEWilco2: One guy to focus.. that would be the cameraman.
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luciash: next time we can produce the free tikibeer, just grab the open source receipt ;)
mib_dqr5am: luciash, lucky you! (xavi here, kind of hidden)
:-)
m_stef: :)
luciash: heheh, LOL
wb xavi hidden ;)
ricks99: *clap*
m_stef: yeaah!
sylvieg: blabla...
wikiman: props
sylvieg: clapclapcalp
marclaporte: party time!
luciash: beer prepared here ! ;)
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m_stef: cheers!
nkoth3: party! - *cry* (missing it)
luciash: cheeeeeers !
omstefanov: thanks to all online participants
nkoth3: throw me a beer anyway!
sylvieg: cheers
I am happy we released something
ricks99: woo-hoo :)
luciash: you can see me in the webcam enjoying it ;)
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m_stef: don't do this in real life
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luciash: nkoth3: already abroad ?
nkoth3: still on the train
SEWilco2: Yes, kiddies. In real life throw whiskey, but never beer.
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nkoth3: opening portal for beer to come through
nyloth: bye everybody. TikiFest is over. Will try to return alive in France ;p
nkoth3: lol
ricks99: by all :)
luciash: byez guys !
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m_stef: bye all
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luciash: hey xavi ! everybody is just leaving !
chibaguy: streaming is about to end. thanks to all for kind words and your participation. :-)
SEWilco2: My code minion will try to create a imagegal<->filegal mover. Seems that we need one.
nkoth3: thanks chibaguy for keeping the camera running
luciash: chibaguy: i hope you enjoyed it too
chibaguy: sure, it was fun. :-)
xavi: oh, well, I came then just to say thanks for all your work
luciash: chibaguy: not only the technical stuff around the camcorder ;)
chibaguy: :-)
luciash: are you attending the php conference still ?
to see amette's speech ?
nkoth3: yeah - awesome theme work for 3.0 all o fyou
lq_180: Could anyone tell me why sefurl and apache rewrites seem to be working on most of the site, including list pages, but under my categories it's like it just goes away and stays with the standard links?
chibaguy: yes, I'll attend and be here til march 8.
nkoth3: lq_180: what do you mean "under my categories"?
SEWilco2: lq_180: Probably the cat URLs don't have good rules yet.
chibaguy: will see amette's speech; also LPH is speaking but in French. No subtitles.
luciash: lq_180: hard to say, paste your .htaccess somewhere
chibaguy: cool
chibaguy: more pictures to come ?
lq_180: the category urls are the same links as the original ones under list pages, the ones under list pages rewrite correctly while the ones under the categories do not
chibaguy: Yes, I took some photos but not too many.
Others took some, so the total will be good.
SEWilco2: lq_180: And which version of TW?
lq_180: 2.2 my rewrite rules can be found here http://thetenniswiki.com/files/htaccess.txt
chibaguy: Sorry, no video steam of the party, but there'll be photos & .meg4s.
bye for now.
nkoth3: bye, enjoy the party
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lq_180: apparently the last changes option also uses the old links, so the rewrites don't work in the categories and last changes?
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SEWilco2: lq_180: What "last changes option"?
lq_180: The one that is on the wiki menu that shows you what pages were recently changed
luciash: old links ?
lq_180: the standard wiki links, before the rewrites take place
SEWilco2: lq_180: How does it behave if you go to /categories
luciash: RewriteRule ^lastchanges$ tiki-lastchanges.php [L]
doesn't work ?
lq_180: the rule does work
luciash: what doesn't work then ?
lq_180: the display of the page names under categories, last changes, and search. I think it has more to do with sefurl function than the rewrites
I'm trying to create a sitemap and it's telling me there's 170k+ links (still counting up)
luciash: display of page name ?
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luciash: you mean in browser title ?
SEWilco2: I wonder if these "page names" have &options appended.
sylvieg: upgrade to 3.0 and you will have the sefurl postfilter
luciash: hey sylvieg, cheers, did you found the beer , ;)
SEWilco2: lq_180: If you have calendar enabled, a crawler will have trouble. Need robots.txt telling it to not go deep in calendar.
lq_180: is there a list of changes in 3.0?
sylvieg: I found a coffee
lq_180: calendar is disabled
luciash: sylvieg: *g*
i'll find it after the beer i think ;)
-: luciash wonders where amette went so early... i his cold so bad ?
sylvieg: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWiki%203.0&structure=Documentation
lq_180: let's see if I can rephrase this. The links to my pages under the categories, last changes, and search are not the cleaned up sefurl links like are displayed in listpages
luciash: lq_180: it will be in changelog.txt if not there already
sylvieg: the documentation is not finished because the release is still in beta..
I am still doing the developper list of chages - I am on beginning of October - quite a bit of job
luciash: sylvieg: wow
sylvieg: the pretty page is xavi's one
good pages
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lq_180: can I just upgrade tikiwiki without it killing all of my database stuff?
luciash: sure, just make a backup anyway
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lq_180: was already backing up before I asked
I've changed alot of code in the php and tpl files, so I'll probably have to rewrite some of those
luciash: yes, you have to make diffs
uSlacker: I feel like a noob asking this, but how do I quote javascript in a blog post?
~pp~ seems to eat the tags
*some tags*
luciash: try {CODE()}
uSlacker: oh, that sounds familiar
thx!
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SEWilco2: uSlacker: The displayed code might not work if cut-and-pasted. There may be <x> scattered around, which are invisible on browser.
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sylvieg: it is silent around here - was getting use to the sound of tikifest
used
-: sylvieg thinks svn is as css - not good at merging - getting a lot of conflicts...
luciash goes to make a coffee
sylvieg: s/css/cvs
luciash: I got my beer
do we have a name for 4.0?
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luciash: not yet afaik
sylvieg: devel mail sent about the name
i committed in trunk file that should not be committed - we will clean later
the release process / merge proces is not perfect (was better before)
SEWilco2: I'll drink to 4.0 "afaik" :-)
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