CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17103 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH] Install steps terms improved, etc. nkoth3: tarballs for testing, before we tag the real beta1: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2 ***: FrankP_german2 has joined #tikiwiki
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?
one month... ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: sylvieg1: How to score a non-forum Article post? I think that wasn't working in 2.2; we fixed it locally but haven't had time to port to trunk. ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC ("Leaving.") CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17104 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer buttons sylvieg1: my husband gets a job - begining next Monday - :-)] chibaguy: great! sylvieg1: yeh -- with the economy it was scaring chibaguy: that's for sure. sylvieg1: chibaguy: do you have a full time job now?
'full'? chibaguy: No sylvieg1: ok - so any theme job we can find must go to you chibaguy: Have some possibilities, but nothing for certain.
Heh, that would be nice, thanks. :-) sylvieg1: tricia is going into the tw business - I will not be the only girl - good
me too
and if you check both it is not working
+1 for marc
we need only one and not an option but ...
the ticket thing must not be optional
mose's dead feature
not really
you find a 'bad' feature
yeh
+1 for tricia ***: slordjette has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg1: if you activate the both csrf on a site - is it working slordjette: Patricia, are you there ? sylvieg1: was not working for me
sebastian is a great tw user
never afraid - always trying idea slordjette: What's the topic ? sylvieg1: and he did a lot of nice sites ***: tricia has joined #tikiwiki tricia: seb: yes crashed browser 'm back sylvieg1: csrf security .. why it is optional - and why we have choice? slordjette: Did you succeed with the menu ?
I saw you made a few attempts...
Back to square 1, I guess... tricia: not yet, i get it to show up but still drop down
we had 3 preferences sections now back into 1
but menu ....... slordjette: Any YAML specialist in tha house? sylvieg1: do not give choice to an admin tricia: no yaml-ers showed up slordjette: Grrr sylvieg1: security tw must take care of it CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17105 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off some features on a new install of the bare bones install. Relevant features will appear in appropriate profiles. sylvieg1: BUT - personally I never understood the 2 choices
perhaps I know btter now
but the bos 'CSRF security' must dissapear
box
I am not a security person - I trust everyone
you need to have an evil spirit to understand
it is .. like you know where you come from - it is not fake
so you can not genreate fake url
i will go for Protect against CSRF with a ticket. in a core feature slordjette: Tricia : you keep on trying or do you abandon? sylvieg1: and delete the choice 'csrf security tricia: one last try then it's yours sylvieg1: but i am not an expert on security - i never find a security hole
yeh tricia: slordjette: it's all yours I want to throw it
through a window slordjette: Well, you are in the right room for that ! tricia: true but not a good idea, are you going to try ??? chibaguy: A few jquery quirks in branch 3 -- hide/show columns only changes side column display but not center column width; changing a jquery effect preferences also changes the theme to default. slordjette: I'll continue tomorrow... I'll ask Louis-Philippe. tricia: ok bonne idee chibaguy: Tool tips over user names have no content. sylvieg1: if slordjette can have lph back +1 -: sylvieg1 will work on parsing plugin tomorrow so wish lph help
marclaporte wonders where to play with feature_userlevels sylvieg1: .. is it the menu option?
look at the cnrs sites CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17106 10/branches/3.0/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] Get rid of double call of Smarty_Tikiwiki in some circumstances, and overall simplification sylvieg1: the idea with user-level was to show to user - only menu options they can understans marclaporte: great idea sylvieg1: have a good dinne ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie
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uSlacker has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg1: do we have apge with all the top rated bu
on tw?
..
bad finger
do we have a page with top bugs whatever the feature is? marclaporte: yes, on right hand side of dev.tw.o
You can sort bugs
and people can vote with ratings
many people put priority 9 however sylvieg1: yes I know - I use it on feature basis - but I did not find something across feature
- in fact I think I can have the info by myself marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+Bugs sylvieg1: thx ***: FrankP_german2 has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
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nice
there is a glitch between persomal calendar and the perm - i ma onit nyloth: i ma onit <= indian expression ?
;) sylvieg1: i know I need to focus on typing - soory ***: cratel has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg1: dammit
sorry nyloth: no problem ;p cratel: how do I enable the wysiwyg editor (v 2.2) Caarrie: we just need a sylvieg1 spell checker ;) sylvieg1: +1 for Caarrie nyloth: :) sylvieg1: cratel: admin->feature: experimental cratel: why's feature? I'm new to tikiwiki.
sorry, why=where. Where is feature?
sorry. got it.
doesn't look like wysiwyg to me at all. The text still has all the formatting codes rather than looking like the layout. sylvieg1: goto to admin home --- then click on feature Jyhem: once the feature is activated, I seem to remember that you need to choose wysiwyg in wiki config (not sure) CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17107 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] typo in french translation ***: inherited|halt has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) sylvieg1: jylem there is alot of options - tune your options
nyloth needs to put volume on the micor must be closer
s/on/on or ***: omstefanov has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg1: something is definitely broken with calendar ... selecting a calendar must not give the select calendar box.. Jyhem: I was answering cratel CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17108 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php:
tikiwiki: [MOD] Change __Allow same file to be uploaded more than once__ default behavior
tikiwiki: in file galleries from __Never__ to __Only in different galleries__ because it
tikiwiki: can cause user support issues and most people won't need this. sylvieg1: sorry Jyhem nyloth: sylvieg1: I agree. I would prefer to have one button per calendar, which includes a checkbox inside it (before the calendar name) that allows you to hide/show the calendar in the current view
well, I said button, but not necessarily a "button" sylvieg1: i think the behavior was like that before cratel: thanks everybody. I seem to have it working more or less. nyloth: I don't remember, but it's my preference. I don't like to have a select box, and it's quite limited to just have buttons that only shows the calendar you clicked on CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17109 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Wiki page printing is not an essential feature for the bare-bones install sylvieg1: visible calendar must be the list of calendar place - clicking on a calendar must be I select it
who has some cold>
? -: Caarrie sends sylvieg1 some snow sylvieg1: we had one feet last day Caarrie: we got about 3 inches and schools closed :P nyloth: sylvieg1: yep sylvieg1: not too much but enough to freeze maschussetts infrastructure CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17110 10/branches/3.0/templates/module.tpl: [FIX] div.box overflow=y was always on instead of being set by module argument. sylvieg1: Caarrie: where do you live Carolina? Caarrie: North yep sylvieg1: it is a lot of snow for north carolina
we need one feet at least to close school Caarrie: well we have had even more then that at one time this year sylvieg1: marc ned s to document a lot all the profiles because it is so... case specific
Caarrie: did you finish your school and are workin? or still learning? Caarrie: still in school amette: chibaguy: now comes the scary part.... ;) -: Caarrie shouts BOO in an attempt to scare amette amette: got a line for your hosts file: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org sylvieg1: Caarrie: you are learning a lot .. I think Caarrie: just taking my time ;) -: amette jumps back amette: whew... that was only Caarrie ... ;) Caarrie: ;) sylvieg1: Caarrie: when is your graduation? Caarrie: i hope december sylvieg1: cool
one year - can do a lot in one year Caarrie: yep sylvieg1: wish you the best Caarrie: thanks sylvieg1: nyloth speak out - I can not understand - thx nyloth: well, I usually don't speak loudly :) sylvieg1: i understand
but everybody is speaking here nyloth: Btu as yuo can see it's possbile to undrestnad evne wihtout a prefcet message :) Caarrie: :P sylvieg1: :-)
:'(need tiki_p_admin_calendar to create a personal calendar - bad nyloth: sylvieg1: probably should we consider this as a bug
;) sylvieg1: yeh as a long time bug nyloth: probably sylvieg1: like the user tracker - whe it is yours - it is yours - you can create - modify... ***: cratel has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping sylvieg1: so who is the one who have a cold?
name? stay awway.. -: amette raises his hand amette: sorry sylvieg1 - but don't fear, technology isn't yet far enough to transport viruses over video streaming afaik ;) sylvieg1: :-)
i do not care I am french - not like the american people fearing about all thebacteria amette: :) CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17111 10/branches/3.0/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [FIX] Update translations after installer strings chnaged sylvieg1: category perm will be like group perm - one categ perms can have the same view than group perm
it will simplify so much code amette: nyloth: tiki-login.php - line 326 nyloth: thx CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17112 10/branches/3.0/tiki-login.php: [FIX] tiki-login: assign_by_ref is using the second param by reference, so it needs to be a variable
tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17113 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Handle release versions with spaces (like beta versions) sylvieg1: admin can validate
- I think -: sylvieg1 whishes to have simple database format - because this provpass is very ambigous sylvieg1: waht clear the cache when you run the installer - I think it is missing marclaporte: ok, I will clear cache manually nyloth: sylvieg1: how do you translate this in French : "Configure the General Settings" ... we didn't found something very good here
? sylvieg1: Mettre a jour les parametres generaux
generaux globaux?
desolee
terminoly setting = confugaration nyloth: terminoly seulement si fatigué ;p
"globaux" is more a translation of "global", no ?
hmm... well, I'll put "généraux" I think sylvieg1: meere a jour la configuration generale
dammit typing
mettre
I only pickup the translation that is already done - assuming that as a wiki vague - translation finishes to be the right one nyloth: "Mettre à jour" implies existing settings... I think I'll put "Configurer les paramètres généraux" for the moment. If someone want to change after, no pb :) sylvieg1: +1 nyloth: :) sylvieg1: i appreciate pkdille job .. he homogenize a lot - a lot more to do ***: navster has quit IRC ("getting some furry loving")
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2 secs
:-) ***: cratel has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Tikiwiki|bot: ??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] sylvieg1: ok I have one page of documentation about what happens whith registration/validationn status
perhaps I can publish it
it is a 'prvapss' dance
or perhpas it is secret behavior for securyt rason
wil do an email to admion slordjette: What's that noise?
Anyone knows what is the feature name of the "TikiWiki Assistant" module?
Still messing with the profiles marclaporte: slordjette: : look at system name of module ***: nyloth has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) marclaporte: tiki-admin_modules.php sylvieg1: can not focus anylore - time for bed for me - good night tricia: slordjette: hi I got it working to a point slordjette: No way ! tricia: if drop down only at end I can have several singles, try it out ***: omstefanov has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") slordjette: Yeah, I know... But this is not want we want...
We can't adapt the message to technology, we must adapt technology to the message. ***: rpg has quit IRC ("Leaving...") slordjette: Still looking for that feature name... Assistant... Someone knows ?
Is there a feature listing somewhere? CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17114 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] No : at the beginning of next line
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17115 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off __user watches translation__ in barebones install marclaporte: slordjette: you want to deactivate module? slordjette: Yes
OK, Good night everyone ! See you tomorrow. Don't forget to clean up a bit if you want the clean-up guy to do the rest! marclaporte: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Module+Handler chibaguy: slordjette, good night. :-) ***: cratel has joined #tikiwiki
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slordjette has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") nyloth: ricks around ? CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17116 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] Wider edit comment textarea nkoth3: we're about to package beta 1 for real. Any more final commits for beta 1? marclaporte: drum roll please
Beta1 is coming out! CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17117 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta1 nkoth3: ok . final check: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2 ***: nyloth_ has joined #tikiwiki
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s0nix` has joined #tikiwiki nkoth3: beta 1 packaging underway... ***: lq_842 has joined #tikiwiki lq_842: I've changed the _htaccess to .htaccess in order to get the rewrite rules and enabled sefurls, however my homepage still shows /tiki-index.php and the rewrites seem to work when I list pages but I can't access them
can anyone provide some insight? ***: idle- has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: lq_842, does www.example.com/HomePage work (I mean that url style?) ***: s0nix has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17118 10/tags/3.0beta1/: [REL] Tagging release lq_842: no it does not. same thing as the others, 404 not found marclaporte: iis or Aapche
? lq_842: Apache amette: AllowOverride set correctly in apache config to allow for .htaccess ? lq_842: it's on a shared host. someone the other day showed me theirs worked on the host Blue Host, so I switched to them
so I would think the settings are correct on the host
it seems to rewrite the page names and all, except for the homepage
but none of the links it writes work chibaguy: What do you mean by 'links it writes'? Can you give an example? amette: what do you mean by "it seems to rewrite the page names and all"
chibaguy: :) lq_842: when I list all pages in the wiki, it rewrites them as mysite.com/name1+name2+name3, however the page links do not actually work amette: then the .htaccess is not being used by your installation
ask your hoster, if you need to enable something or so lq_842: it would have to be or it wouldn't perform the rewrite I thought? amette: the .htaccess goes only in one direction...
... it makes mysite.com/HomePage go to mysite.com/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage without you noticing it... lq_842: nevermind I just figured out it's the SEF option that rewrites the page names amette: ... Tiki rewrites the links lq_842: do the rewrite codes on the rewrite rules wiki page work? I mean do they need updating of any kind? chibaguy: lq_842, what TikiWiki version are you using? lq_842: 2.2 chibaguy: I think the .htaccess that's included in the version is up to date.
(for that version) lq_842: hmmm, I'll try downloading it again. I pasted the stuff of the website to try it amette: you might want to try the newest beta - just about 58 minutes old lq_842: will do! since the other didn't work
also I'm talking with my host ***: nyloth_ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
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tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17120 10/branches/3.0/ (installer/tiki-installer.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): [MOD] installer: only propose profiles installation when tiki can connect to the profiles website ***: cratel has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) lq_842: I have been assured they have mod rewrite enabled on all servers. Any other ideas? ***: nyloth__ has joined #tikiwiki CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17121 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: remove the 'By clicking Continue you agree to the terms of this license' sentence because the user can bypass this page anyway. ***: nyloth_ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki lq_842: ok I got the rewrites working, except the main page still comes up as tiki-index.php
do I have to add another rule of some kind to make it just mydomain.com/ chibaguy: not that I know of...
http://tikiwiki.org/HomePage works but if you enter http://tikiwiki.org/ , it'll complete with tiki-index.php. Is that what you mean? If so, I don't know how to avoid that.
time to go home here. will be back later. ***: chibaguy has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
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FrankP_german has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) -: luciash re-poloms in luciash: good morning europa ***: lq_053 has joined #tikiwiki lq_053: any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? The page saves, but still the error is annoying. luciash: redirection bug ***: inherited has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) lq_053: how can I fix it? ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki lq_053: hey marclaporte, any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? luciash says it is a redirection bug, any idea how to fix it? marclaporte: you using structures? lq_053: I use categories instead of structures luciash: what do you see in the URL bar when receiving the 404 error ?
good early morning marclaporte ! ;) marclaporte: morning lq_053: The requested URL /HomePage&bl=n&saved_msg=y was not found on this server. luciash: marclaporte: congrats for releasing the beta, now the big fixes must continue !
lq_053: i see, there is ? needed instead of the first &
lq_053: as a workaround you can adjust your rewrite rules to change first "&" to "?" when there's none lq_053: lol more rewrite stuff ; ; luciash: try with /HomePage?bl=n&saved_msg=y if you'll still get the error lq_053: no that does fix it, you are right luciash: sorry that i can't help you with building the regexp from top of my head currently now lq_053: it's ok I'll be posting for help on the modrewrite.com forum anyway luciash: fine :)
you can share then ;) lq_053: I'm reading through trying to figure out how to change it so that tiki-index.php just goes to my main site address ***: Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki luciash: lq_053: hold on ***: mib_6wud9m has joined #tikiwiki
mib_6wud9m has quit IRC (Client Quit) lq_053: sup? luciash: try this:
RewriteRule ^(.*)tiki-index.php$ /$1 [R=301,L] lq_053: gives me a loop error luciash: maybe you'll need this before: RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^GET .*/tiki-index.php HTTP
or you have to set in your apache conf that tiki-index.php is equiv to index.php, index.html, etc
oh, in the RewriteRule should be a "" before the ".php"
sorry lq_053: still no good
I tried with and without the condition and with and without the / luciash: [08:25] <lq_053> yeah I typed it wrong ^^ I tried it correctly in the htaccess file though
but i think you have only to tell apache to treat /tiki-index.php as / and it should work lq_053: I'm on a shared host luciash: ah, maybe there's another Rewrite rule for that....
try DirectoryIndex tiki-index.php lq_053: what do you mean try that? luciash: put this in your .htaccess file lq_053: k
oh snap!
that's awesome and so simple
thank you luciash: *g*
was just a deduction ;)
you're welcome lq_053: maybe you can help me with one more thing. I want to change the tiki icon that shows up in the tab luciash: favicon ? lq_053: I've changed the icon file, favicon.png that is in the root directory
but still the icon does not change luciash: change it at Admin > L&F and clear all your browser cache lq_053: I tried clearing the cache already
I'll rename it and try that
ok, all I had to do was rename it for it to work luciash: what browser ? lq_053: firefox luciash: ok ***: cnd has joined #tikiwiki
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lq_053 has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17122 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] CSS class .diffheader: oops, missing td ***: jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: yo jonnyb
jonnyb: I found some IE6 bugs
thought I would pretend they are related to jQuery
So I could get you to fix them :-) jonnyb: greetings - wasn't expecting anyone to be still (already?) up
:D marclaporte: I need sleep
just preparing the day jonnyb: go sleep - you guys had a busy day! marclaporte: Beta1 is quite impressive jonnyb: was the ie6 bug the pnghack thing?
(i was just replying to it) marclaporte: in 8 hours: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03
dunno the cause
1- red button for edit help is not clickable
2- plugin edit helper doesn't work jonnyb: ok, "see" you at the meeting - sweet dreams! luciash: hi jonnyb
1- red button for edit help is still not optional :-/ -: luciash goes to read what jonny replied luciash: sure jonnyb: hi luciash
it was the pngfix thing i was planning on making optional luciash: same here ;)
i thought it's obvious from the thread ***: marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: me2 luciash: i propose to put another tab on look and feel called experimental too and put it there
and the other tab can be merged with the first one i guess (only favicon there anyway) jonnyb: i was thinking the stuff at the bottom of tab 2 could go to "other" (like use folders etc) luciash: ah, ok, that's logical too jonnyb: i'll make an experimental one - or maybe the "ui effects" jquery one should be renamed? luciash: yup, that would be better maybe
rename ui effects tab and put the correctPNG there too
you can have fieldset named UI effects inside
the tab jonnyb: indeedy :)
by the way - where has "user can switch languages" gone? luciash: i think later we will need to rewrite the function bit to match only images having rel="fixpng" or something like that so it will be more stable
jonnyb: it has accidentally disappeared by rick's revamping jonnyb: i'll hunt it down... luciash: (or class="fixpng")
more revamping still on the way jonnyb: :)
don't you sleep? luciash: jonnyb: we europeans do not sleep usually at this time of the day ;) i'm in czech rep. jonnyb: ah - i thought you were in Canada
do you think Marc meant the plugin edit forms when he said "2- plugin edit helper doesn't work" (on IE6) luciash: hm, i think it stopped to work in IE6 recently :-p
you know, the little icon next to the wiki plugin
allows editing of plugin params jonnyb: it (used to) depend on mootools, which would die if swfix was on
now can use jquery so might be more cooperative CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17123 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Add explanation about feature_community_mouseover (because i hadn't understood it for all these years) luciash: hmm, jonnyb, isn't it now even more confusing ? ;)
actually what the checkbox does is that the user allows to be his info displayed in the mouseover tooltip jonnyb: hmmmm? luciash: when someone hovers his nick jonnyb: i think it's a stupid preference
i can understand not wanting to show _my_ info, but why not see other people's
how would you put it? (i still have the file open) luciash: it doesn't affect other's ppl mouseover, does it ? jonnyb: yes - apparently ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki
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navster has quit IRC (Client Quit) luciash: if it works as you say, then maybe someone got annoyed by the mouseover popups of overlib and wanted to make use of site more pleasure without them
for him, while admin still prefers to use them ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki luciash: actually i think it was mose who added this user preference but i'm not sure :)
jonnyb: when you think about it more it can really get annoying on bigger community site, so maybe it's not that stupid to have this user choice ;) jonnyb: fair enough - so how to explain it best? ***: navster has quit IRC (Client Quit) jonnyb: meanwhile i have tiki-user-preferences.php doing WSoD when i save (dull!) luciash: i'd put {tr}Displays users' info tooltip for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr} jonnyb: but that's not what it does (afaict)
hang on...
you might be right :) luciash: *g* jonnyb: better than mine - i put it in
in fact i'll replace both lines with: {tr}Displays users' info tooltip on mouseover for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr} luciash: ok, just s/Displays/Display/
and maybe his/her ? ;)
:-p CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17124 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Better wording for show_mouseover_user_info pref (thanks Luci) jonnyb: 2 late :) luciash: oops, too late :) jonnyb: i'm still getting white page when i save user prefs though - more imporantly
do you? -: luciash goes to check his new svn upped 3.0 branch ***: tomb has joined #tikiwiki
tomb has left "Ex-Chat" luciash: jonnyb: i have to enable user prefs first ;) jonnyb: mine's on a fairly old DB - like from a few weeks ago, so might be some mess in it luciash: you can mysqldump and try fresh install over it
then sql back jonnyb: i will, but i'd like to know why luciash: or just create fresh db and change in db/local.php the name jonnyb: (this isn't even on my list!) luciash: ah :)
but you do db upgrades via the installer right ? jonnyb: yup luciash: hmm, a glitch, i just checked on the userPreferences feature and it says after apply: preference feature jquery disabled jonnyb: my first step
hmmm
i've often found initialising new prefs a bit "odd" luciash: i can fix it if you're lost jonnyb: (btw, thanks for the pretty notifications on the admin - nice!) luciash: i'm pretty familiar last days with these bugs
np :) jonnyb: i'm more worried about user-prefs dying - it's in the template somewhere luciash: i hope it's not low memory limit jonnyb: and i've never found a way to debug tiki smarty well luciash: oh yep, the tpl looks broken from the first sight at the preferences screen
you use web developer for FF ?
extension
you can easily check for xhtml validity by sending local file to the validator jonnyb: do you mean the .tpl? cos there's nothing coming out of the browser when it fails ***: MatWho has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: hi Matthew MatWho: hi luciash: but it doesn't die with WSoD here
after changing prefs jonnyb: think it might be the evil mootools! : luciash: hey MatWho
you have them enabled ? MatWho: is Montreal awake yet? luciash: MatWho: i don't think so
jonnyb: you have mootools enabled ? MatWho: well good morning all you happy Europeans luciash: good morning to the UK jonnyb: didn't - tried it, still WSoD luciash: i have mootools on btw
i'll try to switch to jquery (can be both on ?) jonnyb: should bo ok
*be luciash: it works with both enabled
do you have ajax enabled ? jonnyb: yup luciash: that might be it jonnyb: all experimental stuff off - most of everything else off, and still doing it... luciash: hm, try clear the tiki cache then, i can't think anythink else than low php memory_limit causing this jonnyb: did that
mem set to 128MB
don't worry - i'll get there - thx ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: luciash: seems to be to do with the display_timezone pref - when it's set to "detect" or "site" i get WSoD - not if i pick a zone... luciash: aaaah
must be server related, it works for me jonnyb: i also get 100s of notices about it luciash: with "Detect user timezone if browser allows, otherwise default"
Site default works for me too jonnyb: where do you set site default?
:P CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17125 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Fix timezone_open() failing with empty param luciash: problem with tooltip is it displays blank tooltip, when pref feature community mouseover is disabled
preference name: feature_community_mouseover jonnyb: i know - but i can't set prefs here without WSoD, so i thought i better fix that first... (tangents! tangents!) luciash: :)
i think this will be hard to fix as it's server settings dependent it seems (or some bultin php function)
and it doesn't show my avatar, bueheheh :) jonnyb: the not showing empty tooltips thing should be easy... once i get there! luciash: sure jonnyb: i also had a missing avatar at one point... might be worth adding to the 3.0 page CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17126 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] 2 divs not closed (led to missing tab boxes in Safari) sylvieg1: +1 luciash for th CSRF - I forgot the point luciash: sylvieg1: np :) ***: Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17127 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: [FIX] Suppress empty user info jquery tooltips
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17128 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] JQuery tooltips (clueTips) not high enough z-index to show in front of admin panels - now set to z-index of 400 MatWho: I am listening to the MP3 of Jquery/quick tags conference call - so far the best Jonnyisums are - "coding till I cant see" and "It's always a bad idea to test when lots of people are watching" ;) jonnyb: I thank you! 8) MatWho: :) ***: Caarrie has quit IRC ("installing new hard drive")
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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17131 10/branches/3.0/tiki-modules.php: [FIX] Notices sylvieg1: mouse over on user is broken for me luciash: this is weird, i reinstalled database (not upgrade) but still i see my previously set stuff (even after all cache clear) sylvieg1: there is als the SESSION luciash: i cleared all
two days ago it warked as expected still jonnyb: hi syvlieg1 - user info how broken now? sylvieg1: the < in the html are &gt;.... jonnyb: ah - which browser? (Fx seems to work it out) sylvieg1: firefox
but I do not think it is a browser issue - the html code has been 'htmlspecial'... jonnyb: on the mac it displays fine
it needed some sort of encoding to live in the title attribute, that one seemed to work... luciash: jonnyb: when i have mootools and jquery on, which one is used for shadowbox ? ricks99: something broken/change with CODE plugin? on doc.tw.o all examples are now parsed? see: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginversions#Usage jonnyb: jquery (of course ;) ) sylvieg1: if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips) { should be if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips == 'y') ?{ luciash: jonnyb: jqueryTiki.replection = true; in head javascript section... is it a typo ? jonnyb: sylvieg1 and luciash - both yes ***: rpg has joined #tikiwiki luciash: hi ricks99 ricks99: hi all: beta looks nice. good work all luciash: ricks99: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#Blockers ***: FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17132 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: syntax ricks99: its not just the hash.. it is acutally parsing
(or is it all tied together)? luciash: together ricks99: k.
also, version plugin is busted. :(
if u have more than 3 versions, the "middle" version show all children :( sylvieg1: it is normal that bu default feature_jquery is off and feature_jquery_tooltips is on
I think my problem is that jquery is off and the other jquery feature are on CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17133 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Removed parameter from DateTime object constructor. "Z" (timezone) part was incorrect and causing error notice. Defaults to "now" but please watch out for this in other timezones. luciash: ricks99: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-02,Mon&sel=511#l507 sylvieg1: ok that the problem... jonnyb do you think it is better to test everywhere if ($prefs['feature_jquery_tooltips'] == 'y' && $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y')
or it is better to have the sub feature turn off id jsquery is off? ricks99: @luciash: none, sorry. been busy with 'real' life. luciash: sylvieg1: +1 for the second option jonnyb: sylvieg1: hmmm - i was going to say "yes" (to test both) but not sure now...
i quite like it doing loads of stuff when you switch it on
so me +1 for option 1 - anyone else? luciash: hmmm :) jonnyb: (i thought i had been doing it that way anyway - just missed some) luciash: it should be checked like that anyway (option 1) otherwise it will crash when jquery disabled
"crash" == meybe it degrades nicely but can cause problems
ricks99: okay, np ricks99: should all of those inline styles be moved to admin.css? jonnyb: userlink is the only place that needs it, so adding $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y' && there now luciash: ricks99: +1 ***: navster has quit IRC (Client Quit) -: luciash wonders how he can now reinstall fresh database luciash: (except creating new one via mysqladmin)
to test how it sees user after new installation CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17134 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php tikilib.php): [FIX] test also jquery is on
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17135 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_menu.tpl: [FIX] Notices
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17136 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] pick user avatar: updated description string reflecting the reality (not only gifs are possible) + redirect to prevent resubmit on reload ***: s0nix` is now known as s0nix luciash: (ok, seems i've somewhat succeeded when logged out my admin first) CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17137 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [MOD]jquery: warn jquery feature must be on ad the sub setting are on by default
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17138 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/mod-calendar_new.tpl: [FIX] Notices -: luciash wonders why there are in the db multiple Admin options in da menu at position 1050 sylvieg1: because if a user has only one option like admin users and no other one - you need to create the section
so for each option below you need more or less an 'admin' section luciash: ah, i thought for these are the permissions/sections separated by commas used sylvieg1: permissions are a AND??? i think luciash: on Admin > Menus
tiki-admin_menu_options.php
it's terribly hard to edit the menu 42 there
when there are dozens of Admin menu options pointing to the same tiki-admin.php sylvieg1: perhaps you are right luciash - need more test FrankP_german: on my online server tiki3 database login not work
tiki installer show blank page
PHP 5.0.4, MySql 5.0.41 sylvieg1: did you check your apache error log? luciash: sylvieg1: e.g. there are 3 Newsletters (ID 105,106 and 107) sections level 0, one has perm tiki_p_subscribe_newsletters, second has tiki_p_send_newsletters and third tiki_p_admin_newsletters...
sylvieg1: couldn't there be one with the perms separated by comma ? sylvieg1: I can not answer without testing.. luciash: ok ***: nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki luciash: i'm wondering about that because there are others which have, e.g. Received Pages (ID 46) has Permissions: tiki_p_view,tiki_p_admin_received_pages
so i guess it should work and simplify the menu size and editing sylvieg1: section is a AND
.. a little stupid but ...
and perm too..
not it will nto work nkoth3: hi guys sylvieg1: we need an option - it is OR or a AND between section / perms
hi nkoth3 nkoth3: I won't be online much longer today, maybe 1 hour ricks99: @luciash: hvave moved inline styles in admin: general and admin: login to admin.css. where to commit? jonnyb: i also have to go out for an hour or so soon, but will be back fro the meeting thing later sylvieg1: it was the same problem with groups - people were confused luciash: sylvieg1: you mean Received pages can access only user with both of these perms, right ?
ricks99: branches/3.0
hi nelson ricks99: tx sylvieg1: luciash: yes luciash: it's little stupid, yes sylvieg1: yes - I agree to change - but think it need an option for compatibility marclaporte: ricks99: : you were missed these last few days sylvieg1: or a message on devle list.... ricks99: tx. "real" life got in the way :) marclaporte: hehe
glad to see you back in fantasy world sylvieg1: ... a message on devel list and we hange the behavior?
or somebody will use the AND behavior? ***: regisb has joined #tikiwiki FrankP_german: sylvieg1 : not items s0nix: we can't use / slash in a internal link ? ((myStruct/myPage))) luciash: s0nix: is your wiki page name "myStruct/myPage" ? CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17139 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
tikiwiki: [MOD] Put back theme drop-down so it doesn't change the theme without you clicking "apply". It does a post back onchange so you can select theme options.
tikiwiki: Changed message displayed when drop-down showing theme other than the site theme as it was unclear before (suggestions gratefully recieved!).
tikiwiki: Moved users change theme below theme option.
tikiwiki: Would be better if you could preview themes before selecting... TODO s0nix: yes
but the link just doesn't regonize the page name ***: jonnyb has left luciash: s0nix: go to Admin > Wiki and select full format for wiki page names links CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17140 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: syntax sylvieg1: ((myStruct/myPage))) is working for me - so it is the setting luciash spoke about ***: MatWho has joined #tikiwiki MatWho: hi all sylvieg1: hi MatWho: is there anything going on in Monreal I should watch in on? luciash: MatWho: currently no ustream s0nix: luciash: hmm i'm looking for this option -: marclaporte is home
marclaporte will soon migrate to CGCOM luciash: MatWho: evening 18:00 your time MatWho: ok but I will look out for an announcement on IRC 18:00 is ok for me s0nix: good, i selected "complete" and that's work. thx marclaporte: in about 3h
f*^&k so much to do
:-) luciash: marclaporte: tell me ;)
marclaporte: re the mail: it's linked from DevTips marclaporte: yay luciash: (already was) marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiStringsFormatConvention I see no backlinks luciash: weird marclaporte: y luciash: is baclinks on on dev.tw.o ?
i bet it's off s0nix: seriously... i don't understand why the pages are not handled using structure path automaticaly, that just ... very bad luciash: because structures are not made SEFURL compatible, they use ref_id sylvieg1: marclaporte: this is an old page.... s0nix: the use of page alias doesn't fix anything.... if the url doesn't include a &structure=... , the title at the top of the page is the entire page name... ugly luciash: s0nix: you can switch the page titles off and put !MyPage at top of your wiki page
marclaporte: you want backlinks on on dev.tw.o ? ricks99: @luciash: u changed the doc.tw.o home page. instead of 2x2 boxeson home page, i now see 1 column. i think that makes the page too 'long'? ***: sylvieg1 has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
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sylvieg1 has joined #tikiwiki luciash: ricks99: nope, it dynamically wraps... for higher monitor resolutions it's side by side... it was ugly on large monitor when done fixed 2x2 aligned on left and white space on right
maybe the boxes are also too large ? ricks99: ah...
i h8 my small monitor
maybe we don't need left & right cols?
dont knowl... luciash: ricks99: i have 1920x1200 resolution, you know ;)
can you switch them off on doc.tw.o ?
we can enable it ricks99: have other doc.tw.o revmp ideas...
new home page was onlystep 1
i personally like the big boxes-- makes it easy to figure out where to go. but now (on my montitor at least) "get help" is below the fold luciash: hmm, marc, backlinks are on on dev.tw.o
marclaporte: seems a bug ? ***: tricia has joined #tikiwiki luciash: ricks99: kind of like them too, but we should stay consistent with the site look and feel and with the other tw.o sites
ricks99: maybe we can dogfood the fancylist wiki plugin ricks99: i'd like to see the other sites revamped, too luciash: i revamped dev.tw.o homepage bit already ricks99: y. id like to see the three "what do u want to do" boxes moved up (and more graphical) ***: tricia has left
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marclaporte has quit IRC ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") ricks99: *rick wonders how easy it will be to translate "bare-bones " :) ***: nyloth has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: Hi all :) sylvieg1: hi nyloth: Last TikiFest day :/ nkoth3: Hi all luciash: hi nyloth :) ***: s0nix` has joined #tikiwiki Jyhem: polom luciash: ricks99: not that bad, there are worse like "management" and "groupware" ;) ***: slordjette has joined #tikiwiki nkoth3: I will try and stay online as much as I can, but text only. Depends on EV-DO network coverage. But $3 per MB once I cross the border means I can only send/receive "telegrams" lol. luciash: polom Jyhem
nkoth3: going to US ? nkoth3: y ***: sylvieg1 has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
s0nix has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) ricks99: what's wrong with simply "default"? nkoth3: bare-bones highlights that is is really skeletal - so users are encouraged to select another profile (there will be some more by release time) luciash: dev and doc is another virtual machine each ?
doc works, dev doesn't ***: s0nix has joined #tikiwiki
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sylvieg1 has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: We are wondering, here in Montreal, if the "assistant" module is usefull anymore. In fact, the default homepage should be enough... and the assistant can't be removed from profiles (which only add things, not remove)... anybody againt removing this module ? Jyhem: still fighting the coffee machine :-( nyloth: (well, at least not displaying it, not necessarily removing it completely from tiki) ricks99: +1 luciash: +10 ***: sylvieg1 has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
s0nix has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) luciash: oups :) ***: s0nix has joined #tikiwiki
sylvieg1 has joined #tikiwiki Jyhem: well, what is in the assistant which could not be on the intro welcoming wiki page ? nyloth: nothing
ok, we'll remove it luciash: you can even kil it completelly imho nkoth3: do upgraders get neither/either assistant/welcoming page? ***: sylvieg1 has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
s0nix has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) nkoth3: i suppose if the answer is neither, kill the assistant luciash: nope ricks99: the only thing the module has.. identifies menu 42 as the deefault menu nyloth: chibaguy, marc, amette, .... just arrived
do the video will start soon I suppose
s/do/so/ nkoth3: k, maybe they have views on the assistant nyloth: sure ;) nkoth3: "the assistant" sounds a bit like a name of a movie Caarrie: hehe -: luciash would love to rename the menu section Admin to Setup luciash: *g* nyloth: luciash: not a so bad idea
;) nkoth3: that would help to clear up the confusion between the "admin" and the "feature admin" pages...
the filename can remain the same I think, could just be a label thing, right? ***: pstjean has joined #tikiwiki luciash: you could say go to Setup > Admin > Wiki, not go to Admin > Admin home > Wiki (sounds wth ?) tricia: imho feature admin should be feature activation
confusing for newbies luciash: nkoth3: yes, clicking the Admin section does only javascript togggle anyway now
as the current tiki-admin.php almost exclusively sets up preferences, best for me would be Setup > Preferences > Wiki, but then the sorted menu will not allow "Preferences" on top nyloth: luciash: well... for me there should not be Amin > Admin home > Wiki , but just Admin (or Setup) > Wiki luciash: tricia: hmm, we have no "Feature Admin" now tricia: nyloth: +1 nyloth: I don't understand why the content of 'Admin' menu is not the same as the Admin home nkoth3: nyloth: +1 amette: yeah, that is really confusing for beginners... regisb: Hello guys, will be with you soon MatWho: hey I can see amette! luciash: because of bad design obviously ;) nyloth: hi regisb nkoth3: well - in the sense of "Setup" yes. regisb: Amette you look awesome! MatWho: hi nkoth3: but the contents of the admin menu has all other non-setup admin things luciash: tiki-admin.php is somewhat different though... should be tiki-admin_prefs.php
the others are already configuration of preferences you have enabled or viewing logs, so somewhat different tasks nyloth: nkoth3: things that could not be accessible from the Admin home (not necessarilly directly at first level) ? tricia: i guess what i mean is admin > features nkoth3: well, another word you can use is "config" vs "admin" ricks99: *rick thought "admin" = "administer", as in, "Administer the Features, Administer the Wiki" etc
how does that differ from "config features, configure wiki, etc? ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki luciash: ok, lets start with small steps ;) rename "Admin" section to "Setup" (or "System") ? -: SEWilco2 asks Igor about his opinion of the assistant nyloth: I don't like "System" chibaguy: good morning. streaming has started.... :-) nkoth3: to me "to configure" is different from "to administer". "configure" is those things I do once when I first start using thre feature and rarely after. "Administer" are things I do more often. luciash: ricks99: for me "configuration or administration" is done after you "set up a preference" ***: Youcef has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: hm.. for me, setup is a one-time function Caarrie: i agree ^^ ricks99: ie, the tikiwiki installler luciash: yes, set up, anable/disable Youcef: Hi all ***: regisb has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") Jyhem: I just found an article on usability http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/ luciash: so maybe "System" i better :-p which could contain Preferences, Administration (the current tiki-admin_something.php), Security, SysAdm and Info
or something like that
hi Youcef
also we don't have to stick with current Admin section but we can add one more called Setup and include every Preferences section there as menu item and the rest would stay in current Admin section Youcef: I can see and follow the tikifest
wawn super!
Marc seems busy! Jyhem: hi
nahhh, Marc is just discussing. He does that a lot :-) Youcef: I finished yesteraday coding the the spellchecher for research ***: hivemind has joined #tikiwiki Youcef: I mean google-like research edit box
i work fine with french and english ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki Youcef: it* hivemind: error: "toolbar set 'tiki' doesn't exist - WYSIWYG editor under firefox (don't get it under IE7) TW 2.2 Youcef: Hi Marc amette: yo, what are you guys doing with doc and dev...?!? I have just turned my computer on and both sites die.... :O pstjean: I haven't been able to access Dev all morning either Youcef: i would like to have to your advice about the spellchecker for search in Tiki amette: yeah, marc already told me that luciash told him and I already restarted and I don't know exactly what's up... :-/ Youcef: is it a feature that can be included in the v 3.0? amette: ... I'm working on it!!
the database is going crazy... :O
99% CPU.. weird...
ok, sites back up Youcef: do you mean that you're working on this issue? amette: yup, just finished working on it ;) ***: sylvieg has joined #tikiwiki luciash: k, sites back up, lets bring them down again ;)
thx amette amette: ROFL :P hivemind: any ideas? amette: you're welcome, bro nyloth: sylvieg: about sefurl stuff (which is nice btw): why using a smarty filter instead of directly generating good links through buttons ? (just a question, no problem with that) luciash: hivemind: sorry, nope hivemind: nothing re: the WYSIWYG bug?
dang sylvieg: good link through button? hivemind: think so. works fine in IE, notsomuch in Firefox (this is over an SSL connection if that matters) slordjette: Sylvie, question for you. sylvieg: nyloth: I do not understand nyloth: sylvieg: smarty button could generate sefurl links directly, instead of tiki-something.php (or AJAX links)
sylvieg: because in the current case it consumes more CPU to parse again the non-sefurl URLS sylvieg: yeh but for a ref to a page in a wiki page?
I will not do a button? nyloth: no, but this could be handled inside the wiki parser, no ?
well, it'was just a question btw ;⁾ sylvieg: there are 2 speeds for the sefurl 1) during parse 2) afterwards
one day we will be using ony 1) nyloth: sylvieg: yes, this is what I hope too :) sylvieg: ah ok :-) mycomputer: Hello everyone. I do understand the option "Trackbacks Pings" of blog administration, but I am not sure to understand the option "Post level trackback pings". Can anyone explain it to me? ***: Caarrie has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) chibaguy: mycomputer, sorry, no idea. Did you check the blogs info at doc.tikiwiki.org? Otherwise, I guess you could do a few tests with your install to see what the behavior is. mycomputer: Thanks chibaguy for your answer : I looked at doc.tikiwiki.org indeed. I will make some tests (later) ***: Caarrie has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: nkoth3: around ? nkoth3: y CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17142 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files): [MOD] new installs: do not display assistant module in default installation. Every information can be put in homepage and assistant module cannot be removed from profiles. amette: mycomputer: afaik trackback pings code is not in Tiki right now as the implementation was a security risk - need to recode it with another library nyloth: nkoth3: as you may have seen, sept_7 has updated HTMLPurifier, which is a good thing. But this make me think that we have to add, in the release process, the freeze of external subversion links (I mean: modify the svn properties to look for a specific/fixed revision of each external links, even our third-parties) mycomputer: amette: so it's useless to activate this option for the moment? amette: mycomputer: I afraid so, yes.. :(
but test it, probably someone fixed it in between and I didn't notice mycomputer: amette: OK. thanks a lot for your answer amette: but if it doesn't work, then don't put too much time into it
yw nkoth3: nyloth: yeah, that's an interesting situation. it might not seem right to ship with the non-latest version of external libs, but if the external lib upgrade is close to release, it needs to obey the freeze. Unless of course the new version of external libs fix security problems, for e.g. then it is a blocker for release. nyloth: nkoth3: yes. Because if we do not freeze those external libs, we may update one of them to a new API that is not supported by the stable branch
nkoth3: but this freeze may either be done now or before the candidate release nkoth3: nyloth: i don't know enough about the each external lib to say what is the correct answer, but in general my impression is that given our svn externals, we should be pulling from the external projects' stable branch, right? If that is the case, then any upgrades are likely just bug fixes with little risk at this stage. So freeze at RC seems enough. But I am not sure of each of the libs we use CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17143 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: trackerlist with popup was not working because parse_first was replacing with . I do not see why this replacement is useful sylvieg: this commit will probably have side effect - if it has, I will rewrite the smarty popup
freeze extarnal lib - we never know if it is security fix.... SEWilco2: nyloth: I added the SEFURL smarty filter as an option to help catch unprocessed links. nyloth: SEWilco2: I understand, no problem. But we should update smarty button and other parts of the code to be able to remove this post parsing after that SEWilco2: nyloth: The filter is for people like me that want to map more URLs and don't care about extra CPU usage. (my cache helps) nyloth: sylvieg: in fact we should have third_party/3.0/... instead of third_party/... ***: Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: nyloth: I don't understand the meaning of "smarty button".
nyloth: My understanding is that code has to be manually altered for each emitted URL. When that is completed for a URL type, the redundant rule could be removed from the filter. sylvieg: nyloth: yes but it will be painful to manage - or you think it is easy? nyloth: SEWilco2: there is a smarty plugin named 'button' which is used in templates to generate nearly all links (at least those who are displayed as buttons). They are in charge of building a standard link (tiki-index.php) or an AJAX link, etc.... and it should also handle sefurl SEWilco2: nyloth: The button sounds helpful. nyloth: sylvieg: I think it's easy to create (just svn copy at the release), but more work to update them separately ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) sylvieg: I suppose it is easy to call filter_out_sefurl on each link in button nyloth: sylvieg: yes SEWilco2: Maybe third_party/3.0 should be used for stuff which requires 3.0? nyloth: I'm looking for a solution to have a translated HomePage after install... If we add a tra() around the content of this page in tiki-index.php (which creates it), it will be a translated content inside a page named HomePage (and not, for example, 'Accueil' in french). What do you think ? any other suggestion / solution ?
SEWilco2: yes maybe sylvieg: and why not having the homepage content in language.php
as we do for the date format already nyloth: sylvieg: if I add a tra() around the content, it will be in language.php, yes sylvieg: because the have this big left side ... will be painful
but ok nyloth: oh, ok, you mean... only in language.php, not at all in tiki-index ?
I would prefer not to have the whole content in tiki-index sylvieg: idea not sure it is good nyloth: sylvieg: no, in fact I like the idea
sylvieg: I'll do this sylvieg: tra(HOMEPAGE) and "HOMEPAGE"=>"tototsdfsdfs" nyloth: sylvieg: but the problem of the pagename still occurs nkoth3: sylvieg, nyloth: i like it too --- trying to think if any problem..... sylvieg: buit we need a lang/en/langue.php
yeh page name :_( nyloth: sylvieg: sure
sylvieg: but it already exists sylvieg: but it can be empty and deleted for perfmormance reason nkoth3: does tra handle links ok? nyloth: sylvieg: do you suggest translation HomePage only when displaying (which is already done I think) or even when creating the page (so change the name that will be in database) which might be a problem if there is things that are looking for "HomePage" in the code... ? marclaporte: sylvieg: : do you remember about an old script which would check withing tiki code for all external links to doc.tikiwiki.org/XYZ, which was used to help detect/fix links? sylvieg: need to think about this a little bit nyloth: sylvieg: ok, I come back in 5 min ;) SEWilco2: I'm streaming both TF and a radio show. Sounds like WKRP on a bad day. marclaporte: maybe default content page on HomePage should be handled by profiles nowadays? nyloth: marclaporte: maybe, but this is probably not possible for 3.0
marclaporte: and we still need a default value for cases where there is no internet connection / profiles marclaporte: good point nyloth: the problem is that there is only one HomePage (and not one for each languages, which would be nice when the user changes the language) and creating it with a specific language might be problematic
another idea: creating the HomePage content that uses a wiki plugin that will translate the content automatically
so.. not using tra(), but a wiki plugin
this way, we do not need to create pages for each languages, but just one special HomePage (which name is already translated btw)
so, after a new install, the language switching will work for HomePage ***: pascalstjean has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: any comments ? nkoth3: what's the advantage of this over tra? nyloth: nkoth3: the advantage is that the page will change the content to reflect the language switching... instead of being created only in one fixed language nkoth3: well, I was thinking that if we tra() from --HOMEPAGE-- or something, that would allow the page to be created in any language too. However, this requires every lang file to have --HOMEPAGE-- default translation in it... nyloth: nkoth3: yes, but I meant that with tra() the page will be created, for example, in French... and after the installation is done, if the users switch to German, the content will still be french for the HomePage.
nkoth3: with a translation wiki plugin around the page content, it will then be displayed in German nkoth3: right. Youcef: the translation issues interest me
and I've a suggestion for this nyloth: In fact, the right way to translate pages is to use the one page per language and link them together through the translation system... but this is too heavy for the HomePage... (creating 50 pages ?) ... So I prefer a wiki translation plugin for this special case Youcef: how about to translate documents as we so for messages strings nyloth: Youcef: I don't see what you mean Youcef: I mean we have may be to translate document (before installation) nkoth3: I think the translate plugin nyloth suggests achieves this. Would it still make use of tra though? Youcef: ok, i try to clarify it again
i think we have to deal with home pages as strings messages
when tiki switch to a new language, it automatically select the right language.php for the new language
may be we have to do the same with the home pages nyloth: nkoth3: yes nkoth3: Youcef: yes. I think what nyloth is suggesting achives this nyloth: I think so too nkoth3: I kind of imagine we may already have a translate plugin. lol nyloth: nkoth3: maybe ;p Youcef: ok ricks99: q: on admin: text area, why do some plugins have a checkbox, and others (like catorphans) not? nyloth: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tr.php Youcef: what make the difference of the this pluging and changing the messages languages? nyloth: :)
Ok, I'll try with this plugin :) ***: paberggren has joined #tikiwiki nkoth3: Youcef: the difference is that messages is in the code, and the homepage content is in the db Youcef: if it do the same, that's great nyloth: Youcef: yep :) Youcef: BTW, i've a question nkoth3: it does the same, but for "content" vs. template strings paberggren: i have a quick question when you are ready... Youcef: i need to implement a php script, and need to retreive the active language ***: regisb has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: Youcef: echo $prefs['language']; // ? Youcef: are there any function in the api to know which language is selected? nyloth: sylvieg: any comment about the HomePage translation through wiki tr proposal ? sylvieg: no eral bettter idea Youcef: thanks so much
now, i've a suggestion about some inconsistency in languages' names sylvieg: (in fact I have homepage - because if you delete it it come back
s/have/hate paberggren: is it possible as an admin to make some parts of the wiki private while most are public? ***: pstjean has quit IRC () marclaporte: meeting in 30 mins... sylvieg: paberggren: it is on my list of things to do nkoth3: how about simply configuring category perms? MatWho: how do I join it, with skype? chibaguy: paberggren, if you mean some wiki pages private and others not, that's already possible.
I think sylvieg is referring to content within one page. paberggren: tnx - where do I look in the admin section? Youcef: sylvieg : I'm wondering how you'll translate home page with the pluging? marclaporte: : MatWho: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03 paberggren: yes - some pages private, most pages public nkoth3: someone, point to the relevant doc page? I am barred from using my browser,... chibaguy: paberggren, you assign access permissions to the group you want to have see/edit, etc. paberggren: chibaguy: of course - thnk you! sylvieg: paberggren: ah soory I am thinking of different edit sections in a single wiki page ***: jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: (sorry it is because I have this problem in mind that I misunderstood) chibaguy: See doc.tikiwiki.org for info on setting permissions, etc. nyloth: hi jonnyb chibaguy: :-) jonnyb: hi all paberggren: chibaguy: OK thanks! chibaguy: thanks for thinking about that, sylvieg ***: MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki
paberggren has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") MatWho: hi jonnyb amette: ah, forgot to mention - doc and dev are svn upped jonnyb: i'll record the skype conf call, like last time if no one else is nyloth: jonnyb: just a suggestion about the way jquery was added to subversion : IMO, it should have been committed into third_party branch, not in each branches. It should use external links in those branches, like it's done for smarty, phplayers, jscalendar, and so on
jonnyb: but no urgency for 3.0 jonnyb: yes, i did consider that - but it's not really a single package (jquery itself is just 2 files) so i wasn't sure that was a good way to do it
also it means we can run one version for release and another in trunk if needs be... chibaguy: jonnyb, I added a few jquery items here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#jQuasiblockers_jquery_things_ jonnyb: yummy :D chibaguy: :-)
In case you've nothing else to do..... sylvieg: ah louis philippe - if you can check my last commit http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php?r1=17140&r2=17143 - I suppose you know why this line is here nyloth: jonnyb: ok. I saw much more than 2 files, this is why. Probably not from jquery main code then. jonnyb: (looks for roll-on-floor-laughing smiley) sylvieg: :-)
I know lph is on 'vacation' :-) chibaguy: :-) nyloth: sylvieg: lph won't probably anwser... sylvieg: if I do not ask - I will not have... jonnyb: yes nyloth - it's about 6 things joined together - including jquery.ui and the tooltips etc plugins
i put a readme file in to explain the layout (so no one will read it ;) ) but will adapt or change it if others think it could be better
i tried to aim for minimum maintenance
chibaguy: i fixed two of them this morning, have plans for the others (and added a couple myself!) nyloth: jonnyb: ok chibaguy: thank you CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17144 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tag.php: [SEC] wikiplugin_tag: secured to allow only tags without attributes sylvieg: nyloth: one thing I do not like with homepage - if your default is article - and you have no wiki default - the homepage is created again after for example delete of a page. I do not like it... nyloth: sylvieg: yes, the homepage should be created once, at installation time, and not in tiki-index.php sylvieg: ok we agree nyloth: but changing this is probably too late for 3.0 sylvieg: yeh next release nkoth3: note that tiki-editpage.php also returns homepage if no page specified, so removing this is not completely trivial
yeah nyloth: I think I'll do a small hack for HomePage translation in 3.0, rollback if you don't like
To precise, the hack might be to use 'en' translation of the homepage content (let say '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT') in tra() if there is no translation available in the language required
because we don't want to have _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ that displays in every languages that doesn't have a translation pascalstjean: Conference call will begin shortly
if you would like to be added please contact me via skype
skype ID = pascalstjean nyloth: well... I'll see pascalstjean: I'll gladly add you to the conference call nkoth3: I need close captioning. :) ***: MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki MartinCleaver: Howdy Tiki-ers nkoth3: no - too expensive MartinCleaver: Q: I note that UsersLib extends TikiLib and that the event of successful login is instigated through routines validate_user and validate_user_cas ; Does Tiki allow the administrator to specify a subclass of UsersLib to be used? nkoth3: roaming too expensive
Hi MartinCleaver
nkoth3= Nelson MartinCleaver: Some one's not on Skype!!
y, I figured! nkoth3: roaming... expensive MartinCleaver: hence not on Skype?!
you are in Montreal? nkoth3: many TIki people are in Montreal - MartinCleaver: for the Fest nkoth3: but I had to take a train to US today. MartinCleaver: aha
This bit above is an extract from an email to you... nkoth3: Anyway, I am not sure about the answer to your Q. Maybe someone else knows.
But userslib don't look to me like a first class php5 object to me MartinCleaver: Ok - will send you the email as is... nkoth3: I mean it was written in the php4 era
i won't be checking email till late tonight though MartinCleaver: Y, PHP. bluegh.
php5 is much better
but still
:)
hopefully someone else will have an answer -: MartinCleaver nudges marclaporte and regisb and amette MartinCleaver: I'm thinking to extend UsersLib and overrides the validate_user_cas routine with one that wraps super->UsersLib::validate_user_cas with the bits we need to override. nkoth3: sounds theoretically possible. I don't know. btw, a conference call was starting just before you joined the irc chat room.... so people might be engaged in that MartinCleaver: ok chibaguy: Anyone watching ustream video, is sound ok?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests -: MartinCleaver goes back to hack-and-slash ***: wikiman has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009 MartinCleaver: Nelson: tiki-setup_base.php:$userlib = new UsersLib($dbTiki); luciash: chibaguy: is cool MartinCleaver: that's where it kicks off amette: heya MartinCleaver :) chibaguy: heh, sorry about the video glitch (tripod leg collapsed) MartinCleaver: howdy amette !
wow. the code base is quick an adventure -: jonnyb tries out an action jonnyb: woo! such a n00b ;) ***: nkoth3_ has joined #tikiwiki luciash: just a note for the skype conference call ppl: you can click the little mic icon to mute your mic when you don't want to actually talk pascalstjean: agreed
it will have better overall sound for everyone CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17145 10/branches/3.0/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [FIX] Menu handler to nest menus correctly chibaguy: Skype conference call starting. Ustream and IRC also for nonskypers. luciash: weird skype call is somewhat quiet by the last man talking MatWho: no sound jonnyb: well that went well! :) ***: m_stef has joined #tikiwiki MatWho: help I got cut off Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . MatWho: :) m_stef: hi guys. luciash: why the call was drop ? pascalstjean: not sure MatWho: gone again luciash: ok marclaporte: please see: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03#Agenda MatWho: yes sylvieg: yes wikiman: Eric here. slordjette: Hi everyone luciash: weird is i hear better from the one with phone on the ustream channel than from my skype ***: nkoth3__ has joined #tikiwiki MatWho: this is so exciting I can hardly sit still!!! ***: nkoth3 has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) luciash: *g* chibaguy: MatWho, feel free to pace about... luciash: who is the phone number ? :-p MatWho: ok .... pace .... pace ... bump ..... pace ... amette: chibaguy: I got it - it was a clear case of "Houston, we have two problems" ;) MatWho: :) amette: first needed to disable TCP-checksumming due to Xen-bug and then disable Apache's Sendfile systemcall usage due to the documentroot being mounted via NFS
now it should be rather ok - first load still takes a bit, but then it runs nicely :) luciash: can't hear well when the "phone number" talks :-p
or speaks
*g* ***: regisb has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") chibaguy: ah, ok, amette, thanks.... amette: now we need to figure out the themes to install and find a way to make it easy for you to install new ones.. chibaguy: yes, much faster amette: great :) chibaguy: (amette is tuning new themes.tw.o server) amette: (yup) luciash: good idea :) amette: luciash: you can test with /etc/hosts entry: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org luciash: marc will participate in da call ? amette: yup luciash: amette: kewl pascalstjean: here we go MatWho: legibility index is at 3 out of 10 CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17146 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] default HomePage translation: allow translators to translate the default homePage by translating '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_' string in lang/*/language.php luciash: if marc is the "phone number" talking i can hear him very badly, others ppl audi is perfect jonnyb: sounds good to me luciash: *audio even MartinCleaver: nkoth3__: y.t. ? amette: what frickin' "phone number talking" do you actually mean? MatWho: yes
he means the phone in from the conference phone in your room sounds rubbish amette: ah, ok... hmm.. :-/ luciash: i can hear you very quietly, marc, but if others are ok, i'll try to adjust my volume up amette: luciash: you were _really_ silent here, too - we hear others rather clean and loud MatWho: marc get closer to phone or get phone closer to marc amette: wow - marc already speaks rather loudly!! :-/ luciash: amette: ah, thanks for letting me know amette: yw luciash: i think i have to put volume from ustream broadcast up again to be able what you talk about guys .-/ jonnyb: only getting about 10% of this amette: you guys probably don't really hear jyhem now, right?
ouch, fuck... :( sylvieg: not very much pascalstjean: the Mic we are using for USteam is much better luciash: :D sylvieg: yes pascalstjean: we are trying to fix it
once sec MatWho: The conference phone keeps cutting out get closer to it sylvieg: the ustream sound is better luciash: about 5 seconds
3-5 seconds sylvieg: I headr everything - but I needed to concentrate
+1 perfect pascalstjean: ok USteam and Skype at the same time
please try both luciash: the problem is when i have ustream sound up i hear everything twice :-p pascalstjean: and use what works best jonnyb: that's good for me sylvieg: ustream is 1 minutes later - not real time pascalstjean: ok luciash: i think i'll mute my skype output ;) pascalstjean: for some USteam doesn't have that long of a delay marclaporte: FYI: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Roadmap MatWho: audibility index is 4 out of 10 marclaporte: 4 major points: 1- Calendar releases, 2- Stable downloads, 3- Trunk, releasable at any time, 4- Experimental branches MatWho: no sound nyloth: and : http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+To+Commit nkoth3__: pascalstjean - there is a phone number people can call? pascalstjean: long distance yes ***: nkoth3_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) pascalstjean: one sec guys we are trying out amette: we're trying to fix it by coming into the skype call with the good UStream mic chibaguy: ustream will be down for a minute while mic is switched. sylvieg: am i the only to no sync between skype and ustream - ustream is about 30s late jonnyb: good plan MatWho: The phone you are using is not designed for conferences, it will cut off the microphone when the speaker is operation, to stop it howling. You need a special conference phone. luciash: sounds of future ;) jonnyb: :O amette: ;) MatWho: ustrean gone now nyloth: sylvieg: yes, Ustream is very slow MatWho: ustream ***: mib_99ebep has joined #tikiwiki
chibaguy has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: good to have somebody with a cough - at least we know we are still connected amette: LOL :P
I do my very best ;) jonnyb: me too sylvieg: keep on the good job amette: :) Jyhem: back online :-) ***: regisb has joined #tikiwiki MatWho: pace ... pace ... sylvieg: pace for me too MatWho: :) ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki m_stef: interesting feeling to have you all - here at home. amette: :) chibaguy: ustream back up. laptop mic being used (which accounts for the thumping sound -- keyboard) amette: how's sound now? ***: nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki mib_99ebep: hello guys
iam katz_kul and nothing is currently being broadcasted luciash: for me the same, but i can hear a bit
:-/ chibaguy: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests mib_99ebep: yup same url chibaguy: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009 amette: wuh? weird... so it's skype and not the microphone that's the problem...?!? marclaporte: A * calendar releases
B * a stable, bug-free version available for download
C * a dev version suitable for use at any time
D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which
are merged afterwards
E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.)
F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app
G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof luciash: seems so, maybe skype for linux handles phone calls badly while skype calls are good ? sylvieg: somebcan you hear me? luciash: no idea sylvieg: yes ok pascalstjean: yes
please repeat
we can hear you nyloth: woaoo luciash: i'll better write and hear ustream channel nyloth: hard to understand here mib_99ebep: now i hear sylvieg: the 3 rukles are working - no need to chage luciash: (skype crashed) amette: I agree with sylvie nyloth: well, IMO this is not to replace the 3 rules pascalstjean: im' trying to get you back up luci sylvieg: easy to upgrade + open politics + build-in feature amette: I didn't have the feeling like it's about replacing the 3 rules - but what's it about then? ;)
extending them?
refining? nyloth: completing luciash: i don't know what's the problem :-p MatWho: this important conversation is not working due to skype luciash: with 3Rules i mean ;) amette: *g* nyloth: for me there is no problem ;p mib_99ebep: i like the embedding amette: for me neither mib_99ebep: on tiki way better :) sylvieg: sorry I used reserved word - marc's 3 points luciash: LOL, reserved word ? nyloth: sylvieg: so you meant the 3 first points ? sylvieg: yes nyloth: ok ***: mib_99ebep has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
katz_kul has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: i think the skype conf is not helping (50 minutes and very little communication so far) - better with ustream and irc - imho nyloth: we don't have a real B yet
B = a stable, bug-free version available for download jonnyb: also, people could call in like i did about the jquery stuff pascalstjean: technical maintenace being performed
one more minute luciash: i think we never had real B pascalstjean: then we will turn it off
we are trying new speaker and mic nyloth: marc is doing a lot of noise here ;p luciash: *g* ***: Youcef has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") luciash: BSoD ! wow MatWho: The problem is that the release version is getting very little support/bug fixes - so every one moves on to trunk to get fixes and the latest features. This then makes trunk very difficult to develop with because so many people use trunk as if it was a production version. nyloth: ok, so.. who doesn't agree with one of the points listed by marc ? (A to G) luciash: i haven't seen it for years ;) nyloth: MatWho: I agree sylvieg: MatWho: yes we need more bug fix into 3.0 amette: MatWho: nyloth said that two days ago - we need (should) work for one/two months on the stable some further before concentrating on trunk nyloth: I agree with what amette reported from my previous thoughts ;p luciash: i didn't hear what is the ABC list about so i can't say Jyhem: MatWho: I agree that release version should get real bugfixes (not just security), so that it's actually what people want to use in production luciash: is it priorities ? ascendant list ? jonnyb: A * calendar releases
B * a stable, bug-free version available for download MatWho: the problem is there is a point missing Point H - we fix important bugs in he production version and migrate enhancements over as possible from trunk to the production version in between main releses amette: I opt for allowing 3.x releases for bugfixing, slight feature improvement - and use 3.x.y for security patches (as is common practice with version numbering - this also helps with people assessing what they download) jonnyb: C * a dev version suitable for use at any time
D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which are merged afterwards
E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.)
F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app amette: MatWho: I wouldn't migrate stuff from trunk to stable - that's what trunk is for jonnyb: G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof luciash: amette: +1 ***: nkoth3_ has joined #tikiwiki Jyhem: amette: +1 sylvieg: in fact I like backport we test in trunk and if ok we put back in 3.0 jonnyb: I'd say D is tricky one for me - more time managing the branch than actually doing the coding nyloth: amette: we could also keep 3.x only, for bugfixes and/or for security fixes MatWho: but that meant everyone is made to move from the production version to trunk and then it gets difficult to develop in trunk Jyhem: but still fix important bugs in he production version: +1 MatWho: sylvieg: exactly, I agree sylvieg: is more secure than deevlopping directly in 3.0 luciash: nyloth: we can't when you named the branch 3.0 ;)
nyloth: just joking nyloth: luciash: lol MatWho: sylvieg: yes exactly, we need to manage the process of adding fixes/functions in to 3.x nyloth: sylvieg: I agree... but will people do backport ? Do we need a quality team that do the backport ? amette: sylvieg: I wouldn't put completely new features in the released version - only fixes in already existing features - it's only six months to the next release, that should be ok - no? sylvieg: I will go for we develop in trunk and each week we backport in 3.0 what is interesting amette: hmmm.... MatWho: sylvieg: +10 sylvieg: ye a quality team will be good for that luciash: interesting idea nyloth: sylvieg: ok for a quality team for this task chibaguy: streaming will be off momentarily for another mic switch. MatWho: sylvieg: ok maybe just backport easy/important features m_stef: sylvieg: +1 Jyhem: which would be the stable releases ? MatWho: 3.x marclaporte: We are testing new speakerphone setup on Skype
This seems better sylvieg: sound is good now MatWho: good sound m_stef: yay. let us hear it on ustream as well. ;) pascalstjean: remember if you are not talking please mute your mic
will generate even better sound ***: Amorphous has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
chibaguy has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") MatWho: yes from me sylvieg: yes ***: omstefanov has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: you baclport by replying the diff
reapplying MatWho: If it is "important" ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: the reviewer group decides - it is not a free world ***: Amorphous has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: sylvieg: +10 MatWho: sylvieg: +1 jonnyb: amazing noises... Jyhem: who is the reviewer group ?
any volunteers ? sylvieg: who volunteer? nyloth: the "quality team" we were talking about nkoth3_: sylvieg: +10 reviewer group decides on backport nyloth: I volunteer if there is not enough other volunteers Jyhem: ok, who is the quality team ? sylvieg: I volunteer nyloth: Jyhem: it has to be created sylvieg: and choices are abritary - no need to explain - it is the group responsability MatWho: yes jonnyb: i'll help - and we review the reviewers each major release? nyloth: :)
no problem for me ;p ***: nkoth3__ has quit IRC (Connection timed out) Jyhem: :-) sylvieg: right MatWho: yes
No sylvieg: no because the bacport will be more and more difficult - so one day it will be time to move on jonnyb: terrible sound - have we been invaded? nyloth: lol MatWho: 4.0 will be the way to get new features in that have taken serious changes to achive luciash: i gived up with skype and listening perfect sound from the ustream ;) nyloth: 4.0, 5.0, and so on are scheduled... so they will surely be released sylvieg: I do not agree to define rules - it is arbitrary - if somebody wnat really the fix to be in 3.0 , he should explain - prove... that it will create no problem nkoth3_: maybe the quality team could be release/branch specific nyloth: I agree with sylvie ... I think the quality team should decide or vote ***: Caarrie has quit IRC ("rebooting")
guest4711 has joined #tikiwiki nyloth: amette: +1 sylvieg: no database change will perhpas one rule MatWho: a suggestion : it gets back ported if a) it will be a safe backport that has little impact and b) is required to stop someone moving on to trunk to get things working. This is just a vague definition and I agree the Q Team should decide nyloth: sylvieg: probably tricia: fyi: getting WARNING: Plugin disabled REDIRECT! on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries sylvieg: we still need one month where we work bug fix in 3.0 and merge in trunk amette: tricia: yeah,m with 3.0 we need to look at the new system again... I'll take a note - thanks!
tricia: link to the page? so I can check? jonnyb: MatWho & sylvieg: +1 nyloth: sylvieg: yes, the QTeam may take care of the stable release after the final release, not after the technical release sylvieg: ok MatWho: ok m_stef: do you take into account what could be if a unit testing framework would be installed? Jyhem: So, first decision is: QA team (Sylvie, Nyloth, JonnyB) decide what is backported in 3.0 ? sylvieg: the good point is that the fix/modif is checked in trunk before to be backported m_stef: i believe that unit testing framework would make things like backporting also easier. nyloth: sylvieg: yes Jyhem: I suggest we take the unit testing framework into account when it is installed and evaluated ? nyloth: m_stef: probably, but for me it's another point m_stef: ok MatWho: sylvieg: exactly sylvieg: I give up with skype - seems nobody hear me - I hear perfectly tricia: amette: some othershttp://doc.tikiwiki.org/Blogs http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Forums sylvieg: it is still a good idea - (if it is not a personal branch) MatWho: I have lost skype nyloth: sylvieg: +1 amette: tricia: great, thanks! :) jonnyb: i bailed out (skype) ***: Caarrie has joined #tikiwiki tricia: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries
sarright :) amette: :) jonnyb: branches should be for very heavy things that will break lots of stuff - like changes to prefs or categories (need doing) ***: omstefanov has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: +1 for jonnyb nyloth: marclaporte: I think we can affort it. Keeping trunk as stable as possible, using experimental branches for new features still in development. + a stable qith backports from QTeam
I'm not so far to agree with jonnyb too
;) ***: nkoth3 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) MatWho: yes Branches is where you try and get things to work, Trunk is where you try and get what works back in to the main product. X.X is what people use for real work and it should be supported with minor backports when it is important and they defiantly will work. sylvieg: man power on Qteam will limit the backport
if enough ressource to backport - nice / but not sure we have
6 months for me nyloth: sylvieg: I think we can try CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17147 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_fancylist.php: [FIX] wikiplugin_fanylist: allow wiki links and other stuff in the items jonnyb: I favour releasing new things when they exist and work, not just when it's a certain month
I also like version numbers to represent how much has changes in the code (but i'm generally old-fashioned)
+1 from me on doing 3.01 etc nyloth: -1 for me ***: Redhatter has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) sylvieg: they would like securty and bug fixes luciash: btw, if i understand you, at my job we still use CVS but we do it like you propose, we keep stable stuff on HEAD where really stable versions of file meant for production are tagged STABLE, unsure tagged TEST and we eventually create branches for testing/experimental
(well, but this is too different i think)
bbl sylvieg: people can use svn export if they want the soft CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17148 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Removed JQuery attempt at toggleCols() - wouldn't animate nicely (left in commented out to have another go later) ***: katz_kul has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: release can stay when security pbs occur ***: jonas has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: I do not really aggeree with jonnyb to release when we think there is enough good features - SEWilco2: "Enough" and "good" are subjective. And off I go to write some defiant code... jonnyb: i know sylvieg, it's just me :) sylvieg: it is time consuming to release .... nyloth: sylvieg: +1 sylvieg: prefer to spend my energy in backporting
we can say people your bug is fixed the revision svn export this revision amette: nyloth: what did you say yesterday? Our goal should be to be able to release "in five minutes"? I agree with that - it's a good goal! :) SEWilco2: "make release" amette: yup SEWilco2: tiki-make_release.php ***: jonas has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
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omstefanov has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: (custom js and css in database) it's on my list marclaporte! :) ***: mycomputer has quit IRC ("Quitte") CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17149 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_include_features.php: [FIX] Notices ***: fantoms has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: maybe we should have a deprecated label - like experimental but the opposite
like for imagegals
we never close ;) MatWho: jonnyb: +1 nyloth: deprecated / obsolete, yes, but only for 1 or 2 versions... chibaguy: jonnyb, I suggested the same thing, only with the label 'Neglected'
:-) amette: http://amette.eu/blogpost166 jonnyb: ah... sounds so sad! nyloth: instead we will end with more features in deprecated than in the rest chibaguy: the truth hurts... marclaporte: I think the most important thing is calendar releases. SEWilco2: I've been contributing stuff which is generalized, to make it easier to be used in many situations without customization. marclaporte: neglected LOL SEWilco2: And now that I discovered that imagegals is out of favor, my imaging stuff is supporting both imagegal and filegal. nyloth: I would like to have neglected/deprecated/whatever features that are announced like this in 1 or 2 versions max MatWho: chibaguy: but by making something "depreciated" might be the motivation required for someone to rescue it, currently it is very difficult to see what needs fixing/rescuing jonnyb: SEWilco2: good plan - we're (going to be) doing similar with GroupMail sylvieg: ok for me SEWilco2: Deprecated. "Depreciated" is a financial term. Is there a numerical scoring system? chibaguy: "decroded" SEWilco2: "eroding" sylvieg: the 'quality team' should be open - it is easy to backport with the author... jonnyb: rusty nyloth: ok sylvieg: I am not sure I trust enough peple to backport....
any people nkoth3: So long as there is a "reasonable" (need not be fixed) time limit or features that are deprecated to stay around. I really like the deprecated label. jonnyb: QTeam will end up doing a fair bit of it, i guess nyloth: the QTeam will be in charge of backporting bugfixes. What about translations, themes fixes and security fixes ? (just to be more precise) nkoth3: I think the QT can get helpers, but is ultimately the decider. nyloth: For translations, I think QTeam is not necessaeirly needed sylvieg: traanslation can not really be backported MatWho: nyloth: +1 jonnyb: +1 nyloth (translations) m_stef: is marc proposing a semantic configuration? sylvieg: I want a little bit of control nkoth3: +1 nyloth (translations) sylvieg: it is why I would like an open Qteam amette: sylvieg: you have it by being on the quality team - it'll work out!
open qteam sounds very good marclaporte: m_stef: huh? sylvieg: I am no more on skyope - seems nobody heard me... jonnyb: i gotta go for a little while - someone's cooked food for me :D - i'll be back (& will try and catch up) amette: and then discuss with the people who want their stuff backported, if and how it is done m_stef: no only ustream... :(
30 seconds lag, i know
:) sylvieg: +1 amette MatWho: no skype amette: ( this includes the IF and the WHO - so it'll be ok I think - we'll see about the final process - let it develop, I say) SEWilco2: Or document how to contribute a backport so a dev can contribute both forward and back versions. pascalstjean: everybody moved to UStream m_stef: marclaporte: tagged configuration options sound a lot like a semantic whatever. sylvieg: yes pascalstjean ***: jonnyb has left sylvieg: I need to check my headset is working properly - was at the beginning - but I lost the possibility to speak ***: omstefanov has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: experimental - forever ***: omstefanov has joined #tikiwiki
nkoth3_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) MatWho: back in 5 mins SEWilco2: "Igor, that vat stinks, dump it out." nyloth: If the branch is not needed anymore, it would be fait from the developper to close it (I've done it recently for calendar_ng)
s/fait/fair/ sylvieg: ustream is good m_stef: i meet the lead developer tomorrow of ustream, if you agree i'll buy him a tikibeer. ***: regisb has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: :-) -: SEWilco2 nods gently, so as to not upset the tikibeer's head. chibaguy: m_stef, please tell him thanks for the service. It's been great for us. :-) amette: m_stef: do that! Ttell him, we had a good time with his product!! :) m_stef: i already invited him to this conf, not sure if he makes it, but i wanted to show him, in what innovative ways their service is used. ;) amette: :) sylvieg: 1) +1 for rick job and other SEWilco2: Does ustream have a way for streams to categorize themselves, so streams about one event could be in same category? Ustream could suggest such related things. sylvieg: you give tags to a broadcast
so you can waht you want... SEWilco2: Oh, good. sylvieg: point 1) I do like too much the themes for the tw sites - not very sexy - even if it is a good theme - but not enough colorful / javascript... for these sites
2 point) good job chibaguy, luciash, pkdille and others... marclaporte: :-) SEWilco2: Speaking of installation... easier favicon installation would be nice. marclaporte: SEWilco2 : + 1 and with logo as well SEWilco2: marclaporte: "Type a description of your desired logo. The image and an invoice will be produced." :-) sylvieg: Yeh nyloth ***: ricks99_ has joined #tikiwiki amette: wb ricks99_ :) nyloth: hi ricks99 ricks99_: :) amette: check out: http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/523448 ;)
and http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009
( beware, the stream is there too - so you might get sound duplication ;) )
the link directly to ustream doesn't lag so far behind though apparantly sylvieg: +1 for chibaguy and css layput marclaporte: chibaguy rocks amette: yup :) sylvieg: and like this we can document and explain what table.normal is for
for instance amette: :) nyloth: sylvieg: +1 ***: cratel has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: themes3.tw.o MatWho: hi SEWilco2: Or... 3.themes.tw.o ? sylvieg: you can overload icon now - thax nyloth nyloth: :) -: luciash is back chibaguy: right, we need descriptions of existing css selectors, as guideline for developers, to avoid new selectors... ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away chibaguy: ...that may be unneeded. luciash: problem with favicon is that it's not easy to overwrite because in root of tiki ***: MacLeod has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") sylvieg: I do not hink people are specialized - so it is hard to say this guy is the guy of the feature... luciash: except if we will forget favicon support for ie6 sylvieg: luciash: you can do a special command that write in root(if the perms are good) SEWilco2: luciash: Being in root and awkwardness in uploading are two favicon problems. Being in root makes it a candidate for an installation step. marclaporte: matthew?
matthew: can you tell us about marketing? MatWho: yes MartinCleaver: nkoth3: y.t. ? MatWho: is skype going to work? marclaporte: yes sylvieg: it was working.. SEWilco2: Just enough time to run a TW commercial. luciash: favicon in FF can be anywhere else and different format than ico sylvieg: thx luciash did not know that marclaporte: no, call Pascal luciash: sylvieg: i'm not sure, you have to give write permission to the favicon file itself and dunno if it will work if / is not writable SEWilco2: luciash: Good point. We could provide easier support for non-IE favicon, and document the rest. sylvieg: luciash: yes it is the point / problem marclaporte: Pascal's computer has speakerphone luciash: SEWilco2: yep, that could be good compromise sylvieg: (like the .htaccess file btw) marclaporte: loud and clear sylvieg: hi MatWho
hello luciash: heeelou :D
:) sylvieg: heee loooooo SEWilco2: luciash: Don't need write permission to a file if there is a .htaccess rule pointing to a certain file/program which emits favicon. marclaporte: can you give us status report on marketing?
amette is gone sylvieg: SEWilco2: good point luciash: SEWilco2: ah yup, htaccess can work it out marclaporte: yes
yes, we hear you loud and clear tricia: nice haircut luciash: huh ? tricia: bad joke speaker on phone see phone, phone has nice haircut omstefanov: thanks Matthew luciash: aaah :D omstefanov: what name do you want to protect? luciash: it's like live on news ;) chibaguy: :-) sylvieg: ahaha luciash: omstefanov: that's the problem we don't know yet :-p ***: ricks99 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) omstefanov: i heard marc loud and clear chibaguy: (actual mic/speaker shown -- regular phone before was studio prop) sylvieg: what is the name ? aaaaa luciash: ROFL, chibaguy is learning broadcasting tricks ;) nyloth: sylvieg: lol
sylvieg: how about GGG ? ;) sylvieg: do we know at least one guy who comes from mediawii? tricia: sound echo echo echo
has sound changed changed changed ?? sylvieg: I have write for the cnrs the import/export xml of page (with attacfh, comment, image) ... if somebody has an idea about a good format for this xml file - it can be poweful for the part out the syntax chibaguy: tricia, be sure you only have one window playing the video. luciash: no echo here, check if you don't have two ustream players open
sylvieg: cool sylvieg: migating the look?
I think content will be already a good step tricia: thanks had a shadow box, it started to echo all of a sudden ???? :-:
plus fort patrice !! luciash: tricia: soory, if you open in hadowbox you have to pause the one on page first :-/ ***: ricks99_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) nyloth: :) sylvieg: for example transfer a page with all its dependency from one tiki and another one - we need that
dependencies
-1 for this idea - for personal reason - because my customers one day will give me a calendar job, ontother will be tracker nyloth: same as sylvieg SEWilco2: It would help to have contact people for things. sylvieg: I do not want to specialize - but it is MY situation omstefanov: 1 for this idea too. perhaps "interest groups" for features? SEWilco2: sylvieg: Just take your specialized problem and supply a generalized solution. Jyhem: same as Sylvie SEWilco2: sylvieg: Would also be nice so a page could be shared among a community of servers. ***: cratel has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) luciash: we got a feedback coment ;) → http://www.ustream.tv/channel/523448 sylvieg: so we need 10 .. mailing lists nyloth: sylvieg: LOL marclaporte: filters/tags/categories sylvieg: I think the devel list is not enough specialize... SEWilco2: We need a "contact info" space on web page for various features. Multiple names allowed. Wiki page? Tracker field? MatWho: SEWilco2: +1 nyloth: sylvieg: +1 sylvieg: SEWilco2: fien I will put my name in each one tricia: sewilco2: +1 SEWilco2: Contact info could be dev.tw.o user name. email address not necessary. nyloth: SEWilco2: -1 sylvieg: we will finish like the consultants apge - a big list and people do not know how to approach the list SEWilco2: With two comments, is that a -1 or (-1*2)?
Approach the list with flowers or chocolate. nyloth: :) chibaguy: and money MatWho: SEWilco2: This seems to be an easy solution to the problem, which does not change much but makes it really easy to find the person who knows the answer tricia: quick question: tikiwiki markup for comments ??? luciash: tricia: ? we have quotes plugin sylvieg: i think we know each other - and when there is a message on the devel that can be considered asour duty to answer - I answer luciash: for comment area the same syntax as wiki page nyloth: sylvieg: +1 tricia: inline comments like html <!-- fdkalsfkl -> luciash: ah, there's one, yep, wiki plugin i think
tricia: see the help sylvieg: what is this page? tricia: i did try, takes some digging, was being lazy as everyone is on SEWilco2: Are IRC comments visible to the TF discussioneers? sylvieg: what is this page? marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/WhoWhat sylvieg: tricia ~tc~ luciash: sylvie digged it out :) tricia: hooray sylvie to the rescue again !!! merci mille fois sylvieg: :-)
new contributors +1 and -1 SEWilco2: The permissions in 2.2 still seem fragile, so it's harder to not give admin rights to people. And admins can break sites.
crickets marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/SWOT#Integration_of_new_contributors_to_the_community_D_ sylvieg: we need a Qteam - because the newbies that are not happy because we do not agree with their code ... take this personnally -: SEWilco2 keeps thinking of the Lensman Q-gun. sylvieg: (I had 2 persons recently that were unhappy with me because I said thet it was not feeting tw
and after you must say - ok commit and we have a big 'verrue' in the code ***: fantoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.")
ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki luciash: sylvieg: yup yup ricks99: we can now capture email addresses from new installs (via mail test)... sylvieg: ricks99: is smart ;-) luciash: ricks99: that's privacy breach sylvieg: te regexp in tracker ricks99: not if disclosed sylvieg: and th best_lang luciash: don't forget we're open source ;) MatWho: ricks99: -100 ricks99: how about simply an automated response to their test email? "thanks for installing" sylvieg: th regexp tracker was badly implemented - and each 2 days he snet we an email he wants to commit because it is done MatWho: ricks99: much better marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Roadmap luciash: btw, i tested the mail thing on my localhost, it said ok, but i didn't received any mail from info at tw.o.. is it ok there goes actually no mail ? ricks99: @luciash: dont quite understand. I have seen lots of the test emails coming to info@tw.o chibaguy: streaming still ok? video is stuck on my monitoring of ustream tikifests page. luciash: or it goes to /dev/null ?
gary: works but slow video sylvieg: no idea about radmaop for 4.0 depends on customers... ricks99: no, it is a real addresss chibaguy: yeah, ok. nkoth3: i clicked that test mail some days ago also.... chibaguy: I hope the recorded video clip is better. ricks99: but if we want to do an auto-responder, should use a unique address ***: lq_180 has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: IE6 will be hard chibaguy: recording of video seems to be going ok. lq_180: Hello. I'm trying to integrate phpbb forums into tikiwiki. I've read through the forums but haven't found alot other than people talking about tikipro and bitweaver. I found this page on bitweaver about the integration http://www.bitweaver.org/wiki/phpBB+Edits but can this be done on tikiwiki? chibaguy: lq_180, if you're a good coder, probably so. ;-) sylvieg: bitweaver does not support anymoer phpbb - so far I know luciash: ricks99: ok, i thought i receive mails sent to info tw.o but i mixed it with the watches which go "from", sorry ricks99: @lq_180: open request: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=8qw&q=tikiwiki+phpbb&btnG=Search chibaguy: lq_180, our priority is to improve internal features rather than integrate outside programs. MatWho: I have to go and eat ... sylvieg: bon appetit marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/AvanTech_net luciash: lq_180: maybe via integrator but it's very old code unmaintained nkoth3: why not use the forums in TikiWiki? sylvieg: forum in tikiwiki will allow to share perms, access... lq_180: I can't figure out how to break down the forums in tikiwiki into sections and subsections
that's the only reason SEWilco2: {TELECONFERENCE} plugin? Configurable for various video/chat services? Iframes? sylvieg: thre is section notion in forum ricks99: @lq_180: see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Forum+User&structure=Documentation#Creating_editing_forums "section" option sylvieg: that groups forums together - only one level Jyhem: our ratings would be better with more girls on screen ***: mib_dqr5am has joined #tikiwiki luciash: btw, isn't netineo something simmilar ? -: SEWilco2 looks for the Skype archive... luciash: as ustream.tv ? nkoth3: to ustream? luciash: nkoth3: yep, it's about online tv channels too, right ? lq_180: I'm reading through the stuff and while it says the forums can be broken into sections, it does not say how this is done sylvieg: it is the 4 setting line in admin-> a forum nkoth3: yes, similar - not exactly the same, ustreamis bigger though (I suppose $13mi in funding helps) CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17150 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] french translation of the homepage content lq_180: lol wow I don't know how I missed that. I guess it's been a long day. Thank you sylvieg: phone conference will be good luciash: nkoth3: just remember it because it dogfoods tiki partly ;) ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: TF stream froze and audio is breaking up. marclaporte: beer for us soon
so speak now
or else :-) nkoth3: luciash: sure. sylvieg: I am here ricks99: waiting for my beer :) wikiman: Here SEWilco2: nkoth: Sure, you online or sure you gave up? tricia: lurking sylvieg: hope I have a beer in the freezer SEWilco2: "15 viewers" sylvieg: no 16.. luciash: sylvieg: last time we tried call conference we used gizmo and it worked pretty well, there's audio recorded still attached to the dev page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=AdminUIRevamp20071210 nkoth3: SEWilco2: ? sylvieg: thanks wikiman: This was a good experience. Thank you all. -: luciash still have one in the fridge too ;) lq_180: so what was added in the beta 3.0 package? sylvieg: and thanks for chibaguy the cameraman SEWilco2: Is this the end of the TF, or should we wait for return? tricia: thank you everyone, only problem is no way to get beer virtually nyloth: :) SEWilco2: tricia: There is a way, but it's a hardware problem. luciash: many thanks to chibaguy, right SEWilco2: No partying words. tricia: dang, i hate hardware ***: sthibault has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: tricia: Even hardware with beer? sylvieg: the sound is breaking down each 10 mn - my computer is tired ***: guest4711 has quit IRC ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") tricia: welll
that I would like luciash: yes, here too, i think ustream servers are getting overloaded tricia: gtg great fest everyone thanks again SEWilco2: tricia: A beer well? There's an idea. tricia: oooh good idea ***: tricia has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: blapblapblap luciash: yeeeeah ! very cool virtual tikifest for me ;) thanks to my wife that she allowed me to sit the whole time here ;) m_stef: yaehaw SEWilco2: One guy to focus.. that would be the cameraman. ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie luciash: next time we can produce the free tikibeer, just grab the open source receipt ;) mib_dqr5am: luciash, lucky you! (xavi here, kind of hidden)
:-) m_stef: :) luciash: heheh, LOL
wb xavi hidden ;) ricks99: *clap* m_stef: yeaah! sylvieg: blabla... wikiman: props sylvieg: clapclapcalp marclaporte: party time! luciash: beer prepared here ! ;) ***: mib_dqr5am is now known as xavi m_stef: cheers! nkoth3: party! - *cry* (missing it) luciash: cheeeeeers ! omstefanov: thanks to all online participants nkoth3: throw me a beer anyway! sylvieg: cheers
I am happy we released something ricks99: woo-hoo :) luciash: you can see me in the webcam enjoying it ;) -: m_stef throws some beers to nkoth3 ***: pascalstjean has quit IRC () m_stef: don't do this in real life ***: xavi has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") luciash: nkoth3: already abroad ? nkoth3: still on the train SEWilco2: Yes, kiddies. In real life throw whiskey, but never beer. ***: mib_dqr5am has joined #tikiwiki nkoth3: opening portal for beer to come through nyloth: bye everybody. TikiFest is over. Will try to return alive in France ;p nkoth3: lol ricks99: by all :) luciash: byez guys ! ***: ricks99 has quit IRC ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")
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nyloth has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) luciash: hey xavi ! everybody is just leaving ! chibaguy: streaming is about to end. thanks to all for kind words and your participation. :-) SEWilco2: My code minion will try to create a imagegal<->filegal mover. Seems that we need one. nkoth3: thanks chibaguy for keeping the camera running luciash: chibaguy: i hope you enjoyed it too chibaguy: sure, it was fun. :-) xavi: oh, well, I came then just to say thanks for all your work luciash: chibaguy: not only the technical stuff around the camcorder ;) chibaguy: :-) luciash: are you attending the php conference still ?
to see amette's speech ? nkoth3: yeah - awesome theme work for 3.0 all o fyou lq_180: Could anyone tell me why sefurl and apache rewrites seem to be working on most of the site, including list pages, but under my categories it's like it just goes away and stays with the standard links? chibaguy: yes, I'll attend and be here til march 8. nkoth3: lq_180: what do you mean "under my categories"? SEWilco2: lq_180: Probably the cat URLs don't have good rules yet. chibaguy: will see amette's speech; also LPH is speaking but in French. No subtitles. luciash: lq_180: hard to say, paste your .htaccess somewhere
chibaguy: cool
chibaguy: more pictures to come ? lq_180: the category urls are the same links as the original ones under list pages, the ones under list pages rewrite correctly while the ones under the categories do not chibaguy: Yes, I took some photos but not too many.
Others took some, so the total will be good. SEWilco2: lq_180: And which version of TW? lq_180: 2.2 my rewrite rules can be found here http://thetenniswiki.com/files/htaccess.txt chibaguy: Sorry, no video steam of the party, but there'll be photos & .meg4s.
bye for now. nkoth3: bye, enjoy the party ***: chibaguy has left lq_180: apparently the last changes option also uses the old links, so the rewrites don't work in the categories and last changes? ***: MatWho has left
sthibault has left SEWilco2: lq_180: What "last changes option"? lq_180: The one that is on the wiki menu that shows you what pages were recently changed luciash: old links ? lq_180: the standard wiki links, before the rewrites take place SEWilco2: lq_180: How does it behave if you go to /categories luciash: RewriteRule ^lastchanges$ tiki-lastchanges.php [L]
doesn't work ? lq_180: the rule does work luciash: what doesn't work then ? lq_180: the display of the page names under categories, last changes, and search. I think it has more to do with sefurl function than the rewrites
I'm trying to create a sitemap and it's telling me there's 170k+ links (still counting up) luciash: display of page name ? ***: nkoth3 has quit IRC () luciash: you mean in browser title ? SEWilco2: I wonder if these "page names" have &options appended. sylvieg: upgrade to 3.0 and you will have the sefurl postfilter luciash: hey sylvieg, cheers, did you found the beer , ;) SEWilco2: lq_180: If you have calendar enabled, a crawler will have trouble. Need robots.txt telling it to not go deep in calendar. lq_180: is there a list of changes in 3.0? sylvieg: I found a coffee lq_180: calendar is disabled luciash: sylvieg: *g*
i'll find it after the beer i think ;) -: luciash wonders where amette went so early... i his cold so bad ? sylvieg: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWiki%203.0&structure=Documentation lq_180: let's see if I can rephrase this. The links to my pages under the categories, last changes, and search are not the cleaned up sefurl links like are displayed in listpages luciash: lq_180: it will be in changelog.txt if not there already sylvieg: the documentation is not finished because the release is still in beta..
I am still doing the developper list of chages - I am on beginning of October - quite a bit of job luciash: sylvieg: wow sylvieg: the pretty page is xavi's one
good pages ***: marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
Redhatter has joined #tikiwiki -: luciash hopes marclaporte will find route to his home after the party at least ;) ***: Redhatter has quit IRC (Client Quit) lq_180: can I just upgrade tikiwiki without it killing all of my database stuff? luciash: sure, just make a backup anyway ***: Redhatter has joined #tikiwiki lq_180: was already backing up before I asked
I've changed alot of code in the php and tpl files, so I'll probably have to rewrite some of those luciash: yes, you have to make diffs uSlacker: I feel like a noob asking this, but how do I quote javascript in a blog post?
~pp~ seems to eat the tags
*some tags* luciash: try {CODE()} uSlacker: oh, that sounds familiar
thx! ***: mib_02cnfs has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: uSlacker: The displayed code might not work if cut-and-pasted. There may be <x> scattered around, which are invisible on browser. ***: mib_02cnfs has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
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mib_dqr5am has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") sylvieg: it is silent around here - was getting use to the sound of tikifest
used -: sylvieg thinks svn is as css - not good at merging - getting a lot of conflicts...
luciash goes to make a coffee sylvieg: s/css/cvs
luciash: I got my beer
do we have a name for 4.0? CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17151 10/trunk/ (134 files in 80 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 17062 to 17150 luciash: not yet afaik sylvieg: devel mail sent about the name
i committed in trunk file that should not be committed - we will clean later
the release process / merge proces is not perfect (was better before) SEWilco2: I'll drink to 4.0 "afaik" :-) ***: SEWilco2 has left CIA-71: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17152 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/block.tabs.php: [FIX] smarty block tabs: no unwanted whitespace