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[02:58] <chibaguy> A tw.o forum post link is getting rewritten to point to a nonexistent gallery -- was there a change in the last several hours in tw.o's .htaccess file maybe?
[02:58] <chibaguy> This url : http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=32456&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=4
[02:59] <chibaguy> goes to this address : http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=24
[03:01] <chibaguy> It's the most recent post in the Features/Usability forum. Older posts' links are ok.
[03:04] <chibaguy> I did another post as a test and it works ok.
[03:04] <chibaguy> Only that one post is affected.
[03:45] <SEWilco2> chibaguy: Interestingly odd.  I note that "24" is in both URLs.
[03:46] <SEWilco2> chibaguy: Another possibility is that the item being displayed contains a REDIRECT.
[03:50] <chibaguy> Apparently that post was viewed a number of times before this failure started; it could have been edited, but seems unlikely.
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[08:03] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17501 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (16 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] Strasa with no theme option was missing background images.
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[08:50] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17502 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/options/mono.css: [ENH] Color adjustments.
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[09:00] <srinivasg> exit
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[10:09] <MatWho> hi all
[10:10] <MatWho> all alone, again
[10:10] <MatWho> hi bot
[10:10] <MatWho> help
[10:10] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
[10:10] <chibaguy> MatWho, hi there.
[10:11] <MatWho> hi, I was just about to start having a conversation with the bot!
[10:11] <chibaguy> I'll try to do slightly better than the bot. 
[10:11] <MatWho> what is keeping you busy in TikiLand?
[10:12] <chibaguy> Today I'm checking the bundled themes with IE7.
[10:12] <chibaguy> I need to fix module titles and suckerfish menus for IE7, for one thing.
[10:12] <chibaguy> or is that two?
[10:13] <MatWho> great idea, have you checked them in IE7-1 dont dare use the swear word directly
[10:13] <chibaguy> I was aware that there are problems, so I'm finally bracing myself and attempting some fixes.
[10:14] <MatWho> I know jonny has made some fixes to get WYSIWYG working in Safari, maybee some of them impact the CSS I will check with him. I have to test his fix first.
[10:15] <chibaguy> Ok. I don't look at the wysiwyg much myself. I installed Safari but haven't tested with it much.
[10:15] <chibaguy> I noticed IE8 is now available, too, adding to the fun.
[10:15] <MatWho> It looks like IE8 is going to be full of "issues" as well which is very anoying.
[10:17] <MatWho> I have just read that Microsoft is just about to launch vast numbers of mobile devices with IE7-1 on them in China. This is a very bad step, now we will never get rid of it.
[10:17] <chibaguy> well, I hope those get fixed soon, but on the other hand IE8 doesn't seem to be taking off very quickly, so people are sticking with the devils they know.
[10:18] <MatWho> We need a Firefox plugin for IE6, 7 and 8 :)
[10:18] <MatWho> oh someone at the door. see you later
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[11:14] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17503 10/branches/3.0/templates/module.tpl: [FIX] .box-data contents need protection from floats in .box-title, in IE7 (.clearfix on box-title not enough).
[11:38] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17504 10/branches/3.0/templates/module.tpl: [FIX] .box-title contents need protection from floats in .box-data, in IE7 (.clearfix on box-title not enough).
[11:44] <luciash> polom
[11:44] <luciash> lunch here soon ;)
[11:45] <luciash> hi chibaguy, what needs protection from what then ? ;)
[11:47] <chibaguy> hi luciash, in IE7, the suckerfish menu wasn't starting at the left margin of the module box, was getting stuck on the module title, not cleared.
[11:48] <chibaguy> Also, other items in modules were affected -- top line of normal menu wasn't flush left.
[11:48] <chibaguy> the clearfix class on box-title wasn't powerful enough to cure ie7.
[11:50] <chibaguy> I imagine anything that's floated in box-data would have trouble in ie7 without a fix.
[11:50] <chibaguy> (if it's at the top of box-data)
[11:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17505 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (6 files): [FIX] Catch stylesheets up to class name change in module.tpl, remove redundant postioning method for flip image.
[12:01] <chibaguy> It's irritating to be getting inconsistent suckerfish menu behavior in IE7 (from one theme to another). I thought I had gotten css/cssmenus.css to produce the right layout even for IE7.
[12:02] <chibaguy> And since all the themes use cssmenus.css, why do some work fine in IE7 and some not? Grrr.
[12:03] <chibaguy> I guess the theme stylesheet is overriding in a bad way.
[12:06] <chibaguy> (I think that general box-data ul padding/margin settings are messing up the suckerfish uls in some themes.)
[12:14] <chibaguy> A class="cssmenu" added to the div containing a suckerfish menu would be helpful.
[12:14] <chibaguy> (in a module, etc.)
[12:17] <chibaguy> Next is to sort out why topbar suckerfish menu dropdowns display _behind_ suckerfish menu in the topleft module, in ie7. Happens in Darkroom and TheNews but not in Feb12 or Coelesece.
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[12:20] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17506 10/branches/3.0/styles/tikinewt.css: [FIX] box-data ul property preventing suckerfish menu dropdowns from flying out in ie7.
[12:21] <chibaguy> It'd be good to have a wiki page listing all the Tiki z-indexes.
[12:21] <chibaguy> I noticed suckerfish menus are displaying on top of shadowbox images - not good.
[12:31] <chibaguy> Menu folder flipping seems to be broken in IE6, unless my standalone IE6 isn't typical.
[12:32] <chibaguy> On the other hand, module flipping works for anonymous in IE7, whereas it doesn't in FF3 or Opera, for me.
[12:37] <luciash> re
[12:37] <luciash> (was at lunch)
[12:40] <luciash> yeah, that's difficult, i guess the overflow: visible in some themes can affect it or some other style properties conflict with the cssmenu behavior
[12:40] <luciash> would need to do research on that what affects suckerfish menus
[12:41] <luciash> the z-indexing is mostly evil workaround... i try to avoid using them as much as possible
[12:41] <luciash> but sometimes it's necessary to use them
[12:41] <chibaguy> I had to change overflow properties for the left column to enable the suckerfish dropdowns to display.
[12:42] <chibaguy> So overflow is hidden at div.box but not otherwise.
[12:43] <chibaguy> div.box of the suckerfish menu has overflow: visible.
[12:43] <luciash> btw, according to one very nice and clever book about CSS, z-index property should apply only on elements which are *absolutely* positioned
[12:44] <luciash> on the others it shouldn't have any meaning
[12:44] <luciash> but maybe the book is wrong and some browsers ignore that rule
[12:44] <chibaguy> heh, well, to follow that rule, some things in Tiki would need to be re-thought.
[12:45] <chibaguy> I guess css is like religion - depends on what book you read. ;-)
[12:45] <chibaguy> Or be a dharma bum and do your own tests. :-)
[12:46] <luciash> :D
[12:47] <luciash> mostly this book was very true and helps me a lot as a reference, only this z-index i'm not sure ;)
[12:49] <luciash> but sometimes when i see z-index in tiki i think "hmm, is this a good thing to put it here ? didn't the code author only found out it's the easiest way how to override what was there before causing a problem ?"
[12:50] <luciash> like "well, this has z-index: 10, i'll give my element z-index: 1000 and i must always win !" :-p
[12:50] <chibaguy> :-)
[12:51] * luciash goes to change the correctpng to something better
[12:52] <luciash> http://www.dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_belatedPNG/
[12:53] <luciash> it works also on background positioned png images and applies only per class selectors, not all png images by default
[12:55] <luciash> chibaguy: have you already downloaded IE8 ?
[12:56] <chibaguy> Not yet. I was thinking about it. Will probably update the family desktop pc (nobody uses IE there).
[12:58] <chibaguy> DD_belatedPNG looks good if it doesn't bog down the ie6 computer too much.
[12:59] <luciash> i have tested it with IE6 on my test ground and it worked fine on bg png image
[13:00] <luciash> i didn't measure CPU usage though, but nothing was like getting stuck or something
[13:00] <luciash> i'll try more testing but first i have to fix other stuff ;)
[13:01] <luciash> you can test it on your site too without touching tiki's tpl files
[13:02] <luciash> you just have to put the <script src="DD_belatedPNG.js"></script> link in your custom code textarea
[13:02] <luciash> and try the example script with CSS selector of your choice
[13:03] <chibaguy> pretty neat
[13:07] <chibaguy> The next time you test branch3 with IE6, can you see if the menu selector open/close icons work? This seems to be broken now, for me.
[13:08] <luciash> yup, i can
[13:08] <chibaguy> On the bright side, no javascript error messages now. 
[13:17] <luciash> the only disadvantage of belated seems it works only for IE6 (not IE5.5)
[13:21] <chibaguy> I hope we can forget about IE5.5...
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[13:21] <luciash> i've applied the belated fix on the logo of http://test.ground.cz/tiki/3.0 but i can't currently test with IE6
[13:23] <luciash> i have this in my custom code: http://pastey.net/110632
[13:26] <chibaguy> Looks good. :-)
[13:29] <luciash> currently i have only IE6 in Wine and IE6 via RDP (remote desktop protocol) provided by marc, but that one seems currently down
[13:32] <luciash> chibaguy: i can apply it on more png images to test the performance but currently don't know which ones ;)
[13:33] <chibaguy> http://zukakakina.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=144
[13:35] <luciash> wow, now i know "Start" in japanese ;)
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[13:36] <chibaguy> :-)
[13:37] <luciash> now to fix the rest of the siteheader problems in IE6
[13:38] <luciash> i also have trouble with designing menghao web site
[13:38] <luciash> http://test.ground.cz/menghao
[13:39] <luciash> i have to figure out graphical borders on right and left side
[13:40] <luciash> and i think i'll need something like we have for the modules boxes
[13:40] <luciash> (extra shadow divs)
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[13:42] <luciash> btw, the graphical text links on top are common text links converted by typeface.js script on the fly ;)
[13:44] <luciash> maybe the extra wrapper divs could also figure out the fixed-width centered layout problem
[13:44] <chibaguy> ok. it's coming kind of slowly. Anyway, it's time to eat here now. I'll be back in a little while...
[13:45] <luciash> enjoy your meal :)
[14:07] <sylvieg> the forum problem should be fixed with a svn up on dev.tw.org
[14:07] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17507 10/branches/3.0/lib/commentslib.php: global
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[16:24] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17508 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-browse_categories.tpl: [MOD] quick and small changes to the look of that grid. Homogenize with other grids.
[16:26] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17509 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [MOD] coelesce: add navbarclass definition to this stylesheet (was only in transition stylesheet). Define a line-height
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[19:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17510 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/resource.wiki.php: 
[19:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [FIX]tracker: if the pretty tracker wiki is dependant of the user(ex: use of
[19:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: TRACKERITEMFIELD of the user tracker inside), it must not be cached -
[19:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: approxiamtion: if there is a plugin there iit is risky (do not penalize the
[19:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: pretty tracker for a simple list) -> TODO perhaps a param
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[20:16] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17511 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Adding Wiki Mindmaps checkbox in admin panel (experimental section). This was in Magic admin panel but had not been duplicated.
[20:16] <marclaporte> oups
[20:18] * luciash is playing with YSlow and cannot find on doc.tw.o a single page which would use tiki's wiki page cache
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[20:23] <luciash> marclaporte: what oups ?
[20:25] <marclaporte> I did last commit
[20:25] <marclaporte> but from a server where Patricia had done the install
[20:25] <marclaporte> (during TikiFest)
[20:25] <luciash> ah, *g* :)
[20:25] <marclaporte> so she can get in trouble :-)
[20:25] <luciash> marc in the skin of patricia ;)
[20:26] <luciash> in YSlow the performance grade A menas best ? and F means worst ?
[20:27] <luciash> s/menas/means/
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[20:55] <luciash> sylvieg: on dev.tw.o there's no forum enabled, what did you mean ?
[20:55] <luciash> sylvieg: was there some before ?
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[21:34] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17512 10/branches/3.0/lib/cache/cachelib.php: SVN: Header -> Id + \brief to comment, no code change
[22:24] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17513 10/branches/3.0/ (templates/tiki-admin_system.tpl tiki-admin_system.php): [NEW] Tiki cache admin: allow to clear all cache at once instead of 3 steps
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[22:51] <marclaporte> luciash: +1
[22:52] <marclaporte> I hate having to click three links
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