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gricha2380I have an easy troubleshooting question for whoever is inclined to answer
blank) menu and got this message: "You can only use optionId = 0 to create a new option or optionId equal an id that already belongs to the menu to update it."
*I deleted all the options out of the default Applications menu and got that error when trying to upload a CSV of the defaults 		[00:43]
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JonMarkGoSo I am trying to set up a pretty tracker, and have gotten all of the templates, etc. working, but can't figure out how to have each tracker entry on a separate dynamic page.
I guess my question is..is there any way to have like &view=Title display the entry from my tracker where the title is Title? 		[04:10]
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JonMarkGoAnyone around? [04:16]
SEWilco2JonMarkGo: Sounds like a .htaccess redirection rule is needed. [04:25]
JonMarkGoI'm not really worried about the dynamics of it, but how do I use the trackerlist or similar plugin to parse any type of input like that to display a single item? [04:26]
SEWilco2JonMarkGo: If there is a URL which will display what you want, you can convert a URL in one format to a different one. [04:26]
JonMarkGoBut how do I use that value in one of the tracker plugins to display an item? [04:27]
SEWilco2JonMarkGo: Is there a URL which shows the data which you want, and contains the title in the URL? [04:27]
JonMarkGoI just need to know how to make the item that is displayed on a page dynamic from some form of user input [04:27]
SEWilco2JonMarkGo: Oh, you're asking about accessing the tracker data. I thought you had found how to access the data and wanted a different way to get to the page. [04:28]
JonMarkGoNo, sorry. [04:28]
SEWilco2Have you found a tracker plugin which can get the data, but you need a way to tell the page to access a different item? [04:29]
JonMarkGoYes, I'm using TrackerItemList
I just need to tell it which item to access 		[04:30]
SEWilco2SEWilco2 thinks [04:30]
JonMarkGo: I'm not finding a way without writing a little code. [04:36]
JonMarkGoHrm.
Have you heard of the v3 page selector? 		[04:37]
SEWilco2JonMarkGo: If you know PHP, it should be a matter of taking a copy of TrackerItemList plugin and replacing how it fetches by Title ...
... so instead of fetching from $title (or whatever variable it uses) to fetch using what is in something like $_REQUEST["title"] 		[04:38]
JonMarkGoI don't now if it uses anything to fetch title
I think it just prints the whole list
I guess that's doable 		[04:39]
SEWilco2Oh, I thought you said that plugin was fetching the title which you wanted. [04:39]
JonMarkGoNo, sorry.
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginTrackerList 		[04:40]
SEWilco2Maybe parameters such as filterfield and exactvalue would let you tell it you want field Title and value whatever. [04:42]
JonMarkGoNot sure what you mean [04:42]
SEWilco2You say it lists all items but you want a single item. So you want to filter the results so only what you want is shown. [04:43]
JonMarkGoYes [04:44]
SEWilco2To filter the results you tell it which field to filter on. It says filterfield is numeric, so apparently you have to tell it the numeric ID of your Title field. [04:44]
JonMarkGoBut how do I get that from the address or some dynamic input? [04:44]
SEWilco2Then you define exactvalue with the value of the desired title. [04:44]
JonMarkGoBut the value of the desired title is dynamic [04:45]
SEWilco2That's the problem. How to get the title from the URL into the exactvalue setting. [04:45]
JonMarkGoYeah [04:45]
SEWilco2You could take a copy of the plugin (preferably renamed so you an update won't lose your change) and ...
... find where the 'exactvalue' parameter is passed into the plugin and replace it with something like $_REQUEST["title"] ...
... because that incantation would use the value of &title="something or other" from the URL. 		[04:46]
JonMarkGoRight [04:48]
SEWilco2But that requires a little PHP programming. [04:48]
JonMarkGoI know PHP
I'd just need to get myself FTP access to the wiki 		[04:48]
SEWilco2Yup, you need access to your wiki's code. Or to modify the package before it is installed on your site. [04:49]
JonMarkGoYup [04:49]
SEWilco2And I don't know how you intend to generate the URL; I assume you don't intend for users to type that complex thing. [04:50]
JonMarkGoNah [04:51]
SEWilco2Got to go. Good luck. [04:51]
JonMarkGoI'd likely make one page with a list [04:51]
SEWilco2If the list won't change often, there is another way. [04:51]
JonMarkGoOh?
Well
Actually
It would be easy to dynamically generate
Just make a trackerlist template that generates the links 		[04:51]
SEWilco2Just create one Wiki page for each desired value, and each page has a different exactvalue. [04:52]
JonMarkGoYeah, I know
I'd rather not do it that way 		[04:52]
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chibaguyModule shading is semi-broken in IE7 in Strasa theme, left column. Last module completely loses its title when modules above are shaded closed.
Doesn't happen in other themes.
(jquery on)
(...or jquery off, doesn't matter)
Theme-specific folder icons apparently still being cached for unwanted reuse in other themes.
otoh, the shoutjax to shoutbox update is smooth as silk. :-) 		[04:59]
otoh again, side-column visibility isn't surviving page changes. This is a regression.
Hidden side columns should stay hidden until clicked visible again, even when you navigate to other pages or click buttons.
(like edit) 		[05:09]
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luciashpolom
chibaguy: konichiwa
chibaguy: cookie setting problem 		[06:41]
chibaguyhi luciash
i figured something like that
Looking ahead a little, I wonder what would be needed to apply http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/ to Tiki...
http://jqueryui.com/docs/Getting_Started
I mean to be able to select and use jquery ui to get the look and behavior shown in those demos.
I noticed branch 3 has the jquery ui files already... 		[06:43]
luciashi wonder too :)
but themeroller is somewhat limited imho 		[06:52]
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chibaguyYeah, I wasn't thinking about using to create themes, but being able to apply themes using jquery-ui, such as shown in the demo. [07:24]
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luciashchibaguy: i think we often forget to test tiki should be usable with js off
chibaguy: although opera mini on mobiles already supports js to some extent 		[07:45]
chibaguytrue [07:46]
well, jquery, etc. should just improve how the site looks/works, but the site should still work without it.... [07:51]
luciashyup, that$s also my "philosophy" ;)
imho all collapsable stuff should be expanded with js off 		[08:05]
chibaguyAlso the jquery philosophy, from what I read. [08:06]
luciashthat's good [08:06]
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luciashchibaguy: pm [08:36]
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chibaguy"Introducing Joopal" http://community.joomla.org/blogs/leadership/780-introducing-joopal.html
"Joopal is based on Joomla! 1.5 and features Drupal 6 the way PHP5 meant it to be done: with objects instead of globals and incredibly long function names."
Heh, was April Fools joke, apparently. 		[09:00]
luciashheh, don't believe anything released yesterday in the news ;) [09:05]
CIA-24tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17759 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [MOD] coelesce : some left margin in the pagetitle icons and aligning in the middle the text in cbox-title [09:05]
Yonikonishuwa, ahoj, yom tov [09:07]
luciashyo yo [09:07]
chibaguyhi Yoni [09:08]
Yoni... la laa la... end of the week here ! :D
and 64 millions shekels on loto... i will play this time ! 		[09:09]
luciashbah :) [09:10]
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R|SKPolom. Does anybody has an idea on how to manage an image that is bound into a wiki page but was not a part of an image gallery?
For example, how do I delete obsolete ones? 		[09:27]
chibaguyR|SK, there's a "Remove unused pictures" link on the wiki admin page
in the past this seemed to have some problems, removing too many images maybe (?) but maybe ok now.
(I'd back up the directory first.) 		[09:30]
R|SKWell, I expectedt sth. Like the attachment manager in admin:wiki...
But ok, that will work for now, though this isn't this comfortable. 		[09:32]
chibaguyYes, trusting it to find and remove is kinda scary. That's why a backup is good. [09:35]
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R|SKAs always...
^
^ 		[09:35]
chibaguyOf course this directory should be backed up anyway, right? ;-) [09:36]
R|SKWell, we store our attachments in the wiki database, not in a directory.
So backuping is a pain in the a... 		[09:36]
chibaguyI thought you meant the img/wiki_up/ directory. [09:38]
R|SKWell, where are images stored as default? I set files attachments should be stored in database and alwys thought this setting would affect images as well. [09:39]
chibaguyhmm, I'd check that directory; I assume that was always used. [09:41]
R|SKOk, found it on the server. The images are stored in the directory you mentioned. [09:41]
chibaguyThat simplifies the backup and restore, if needed. [09:41]
R|SKWell ok, but this should be somehow documented somewhere.
I searched the hole doc and never found a hint for that. 		[09:42]
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Beestje@R|SK : perhaps it's not in the docs, but it's defined in the admin page for image galeries. [09:53]
chibaguyIt's on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki+Config
"If enabled users can quickly add images (pictures) to a Wiki page by simply uploading the picture when editing a page. The picture will be stored in img/wiki_up using the name of the picture as an ID."
(I'm not trying to show you up; it's just that I sometimes question how effect the docs are, so wanted to check...)
I usually do a "site:doc.tikiwiki.org ..." search to find something in the docs via google...
to save loading the index page just to do a site search 		[09:55]
R|SKGreat, taht you trust so much on the tiki search :D [09:59]
chibaguynot that I don't trust it, I'm just saving a step. [09:59]
R|SKAnd regarding your advice: I would have found it, if I had looked for it.
I was just looking for how to manage the images, not wherer they are stored. 		[10:00]
chibaguyThis time I was confirming that the directory wiki_up was used by default, so that was the search term. Searching with the Tiki search got the same result. [10:00]
R|SK;) [10:01]
chibaguyIn general, there are sometimes problems finding info, but a huge amount of work has gone into the docs, so if there are problems, I think they're specific and can be fixed. [10:02]
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R|SKI know, and indeed tw is documented *very* well in comparisson to other open source projects, but the best doc is uselees, if the user doesn't know for what he should look for. [10:04]
chibaguyWell, I'd think "Wiki config" might be a good starting place...;-) [10:06]
R|SKProbably. ^^ [10:07]
chibaguyBut, true, it's an art devising paths to info, anticipating user perceptions, etc. [10:08]
R|SKThat's alway the problem when it comes to documenting things. [10:09]
chibaguylike, I don't know how results would differ if the search was for "picture" instead of "image" [10:09]
R|SK+1 [10:09]
chibaguyit isn't called data mining for nothing :-) [10:11]
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spoonypjkHi guys.
Question: How well does tikiwiki handle simultaneous edits on the same page? what's it's behaviour? 		[11:01]
R|SKTiki will not warn you until you will save the page.
So the user first to store the page won't have a problem. The second one will have to use a conflict handler.
Or a merge tool....whatever you would like to call it.
Afaik. 		[11:05]
spoonypjkAh. but they atleast get notified of the conflict? [11:08]
R|SKyes. [11:08]
spoonypjkexcellent. Thats the main thing.
Some wikis I've seen just save it as a new version or a conflicting version but not alert the user straight away.
Just trying to choose a wiki at the moment for a project.. we're in extremely early stages and having problems with the current tool.
Liked the extra features in tikiwiki. 		[11:08]
marclaportespoonypjk : & R|SK: my understanding of the feature is a little different [11:10]
spoonypjkThanks for the answer on that too.. I'll have to load up a couple browsers to test it out on a demo.
marc: oh?. 		[11:10]
R|SKTell us. [11:10]
marclaportein admin wiki, there is an option to activate conflict detection
it is on by default 		[11:10]
R|SKMy bad, I hade accidentially disaled the feature. [11:11]
marclaportewhen someone starts editing a page, all others will see that this page is being edited
if someone still tries, they get a warning 		[11:11]
spoonypjkahhh.. even better. [11:11]
marclaportewhich they may override
if they do override, they can go ahead and save 		[11:11]
spoonypjkoverride is good.. [11:12]
marclaporteall versions will be saved
last one to save wins
but there is no smart merging
a human needs to sort out any conflicts 		[11:12]
spoonypjkhave you had many occasions of someone just opening and forgetting/browser crashing/whatever and it staying in edit mode for hours and hours until someone overrides?
does it show you a diff? 		[11:13]
R|SKTere is a timeout for editing
+h 		[11:13]
marclaporteI have seen another wiki which does something more advanced. But in reality, I have never seen a real world case where it's necessary
in admin wiki, you can set timeout 		[11:13]
spoonypjkthe tool we've been using at the moment .. will just save another version if you have two people editing.. but it doesnt warn you that someone else is editing.. before during or after.
so it gets quite confusing
we've had lots of occasions where multiple people are hitting the same page. updating lists of ideas etc.
Thanks for the info and help with that guys. 		[11:14]
luciashchibaguy: ping [11:15]
marclaporteThe thing TikiWiki could do better is when person #2 saves, to indicate that the source document has changed since they started editing. And that a human should review two last versions and merge. [11:16]
chibaguyhello again luciash [11:17]
luciashchibaguy: i svn upped and found some weirdness
chibaguy: ah, sorry, forget it :) 		[11:17]
chibaguychibaguy dodges a bullet... [11:18]
luciashluciash used tikilite.sh script and it removed lite ;) [11:18]
chibaguyProbably I created some weirdness, but nothing that major, I hope. ;-) [11:19]
spoonypjkmarc: are you talking about if you have the conflict detection turned off just then? [11:20]
luciashchibaguy: nope, np, everything is all right :) [11:20]
R|SKI gues he meant If users overrides conflict warning, spoonypjk [11:21]
chibaguy:-) [11:21]
spoonypjkahh.
Ahh I get it..
You're talking about if the user overrides.. but user 1 wasn't idle.. he actually was doing a real edit.. 		[11:21]
R|SKFor example [11:22]
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marclaporteyup [11:33]
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otrotabihi, I´m trying to setup dbreport working with tiki 3.0 and all I get are blanck pages, anyone can lend a hand ? [11:54]
luciash>whatis memory_limit [11:56]
Sug4r'memory_limit' could be the most frequently asked question about trouble getting blank pages. The PHP memory_limit should be >= 16M (see your php.ini). You can check it with <?php echo ini_get('memory_limit'); ?> and read more at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#PHP [11:56]
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otrotabimemory_limit is 64 mb [11:57]
luciashcheck the logs ? [11:58]
otrotabiactually,no, I´ve tried using the "debug" option but still no output, where should I check ? [11:59]
luciashlinux ? /var/logs and then apache or httpd or something like that
and mysql logs
in php.ini you should have also set where php errors go 		[12:00]
otrotabiyou mean apache logs, I will check [12:01]
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otrotabiwell, no output to either access or my newly created php error log
Also, I notice that 3.0 is less forgiving of plugin errors than 2.2, which used to at least display the PHP errors and warnings at the top of the page. 3.0 just gives a totally blank page if there is so much as a missing semicolon.
this is what the developer says regarding 3.0
but I can´t find where my mistake is, so I was wondering if someone else could give it a simple try 		[12:19]
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luciashotrotabi: do you have php reporting on ? it should display php errors at the end of the page [12:26]
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otrotabilucia: actually I did not have a php error file, but I think I have just enabled it
there should be some kid of output, right ? 		[12:29]
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luminosowhere can i find the script on doc/devtools that makes a tarball of current svn? [13:34]
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kekahello [14:37]
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CIA-24tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17760 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]wiki: an INCLUDE of a page beginning with a ! must be interpreted (do not consider the edit plugin button)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17761 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: oops trace 		[15:13]
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CIA-24tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17762 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MOD][BP-17758][BP-17747] newsletters : some small enhancements [15:23]
spoonypjkhmm Ive been playing a little with the demo online .. everytime I go to "edit" something in the wiki.. I lose a lot of the formatting /carriage returns / whitespace of the page that im editing. any ideas?
ie. i click to edit a page.. and the box that the page loads in has no whitespace.. erver think wraps after each other and no carriage turns. 		[15:27]
luciashhmmm hrm [15:29]
spoonypjkim using firefox 3.07 under ubuntu. [15:29]
luciashany idea how to export mysqldump to have saved articles back after import ?
and wth do i have to set to have utf8 back ? :-p
spoonypjk: what demo ? 		[15:29]
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spoonypjkon opensourcecms.. [15:31]
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spoonypjkperhaps its just an issue specific to opensourcecms. [15:31]
luciashspoonypjk: maybe, i had no problems on my test sites [15:33]
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spoonypjkI'll have to set something up on my own server in the morning.. I should get to sleep now.
luciash I'll see how I go on an install. hopefully it wont have the same behaviour :)
nite. 		[15:35]
SEWilco2spoonypjk: There are options in Admin>Wiki section which affect whether adjacent lines are in a single paragraph or not.
spoonypjk: Many sites prefer for all the text in a paragraph to be emitted without <BR> at the end of lines, so the browser can fit the text to the browser's window. 		[15:43]
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marclaporteluciash: : ping [15:46]
luciashmarclaporte: pong [15:52]
marclaporteluciash: : how are you? [15:52]
luciashhey marc, fine, better than at the beginning of the week, i got ill (cold, grippe) but now it's better
i'm fighting with mysql currently :-p
with phpmyadmin actually 		[15:53]
CIA-24tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17763 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-calendar.tpl tiki-object_watches.tpl): [MOD]calendar: group watch [16:03]
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DarkbeeHey all [16:14]
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DarkbeeCould installing TikiWiki on one domain and then moving it to another cause POST values not to work correctly? In particular, I do not get specific login error messages like "incorrect password", I just get the error saying I'm not logged in.
I'm wondering if the paths from the old domain are stuck in the system somewhere causing it not to POST form values correctly. Everything else seems to work fine. I'm using v2.3 		[16:16]
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marclaporteluciash: : what did you have in mind to improve the wiki help (red question mark) ? [16:17]
luciashmarclaporte: collapse all plugins by default to make it more readable, make it optional, make it draggable to another place [16:18]
DarkbeeThe site is www.weemorewar.com, try to log in with a bogus username and/or password and you will see what I mean (I hope). [16:18]
marclaporteluciash: : what do you need to make this happen? [16:22]
luciashmarclaporte: time :) [16:22]
Darkbeelol [16:23]
marclaportedo plugins and regular wiki help need to be two boxes?
luciash: : hehe, ok 		[16:23]
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kekahow to add friends in tikiwiki [16:38]
chibaguyMilkyway, Joomla's default theme: http://zukakakina.com/tw3/tiki-index.php - coming soon in its 6 color variations. [16:39]
DarkbeeClick on their username somewhere like a forum post or online users to get to their "User information" page, and then choose "Request friendship from this user".
Nice Chibaguy. 		[16:40]
kekahow to register as a new user ? [16:42]
SEWilco2Darkbee: Another complication with login could be if server wants www.example.com but you're accessing through example.com. [16:43]
Darkbee@Keka: If you go to the page "tiki-login_scr.php" there should be a link called "register". It's possible registration is disabled. You'd need to the login admin options.
@SEWilco2, thanks but it makes no difference, still no specific login errors. I just tried.
I'm completely stumped, only thing I can think is some kind of domain issue (since that's the only thing that is different) or a corrupt file/s, other than that, I have no clue, but I've done several re-installs and the result is the same very time.
I've even exported the new database back to the old domain and the old domain still works fine.
so it can't be a database issue, or at least I think not. 		[16:44]
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DarkbeeIt's not a huge problem, I'm just one of these people that likes to know why things aren't working the way they are supposed to. [16:48]
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CIA-24tikiwiki: 03axold * r17764 10/branches/experimental/workspaces/ (427 files in 94 dirs): [FIX] Resolved a conflict merging with the branch [18:40]
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nevalihello [19:34]
luciashhi
anyone left debugging JS alerts in recent 3.0 SVN ?
such as on tiki-admin_system.php ?
i get weird dialogs on one of my sites popping up with "Built headers:, 10ms" and "[object Object]" followed by "column:0 parser:textncolumn:1 parser:text..." etc. 		[19:37]
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sylviegare forum watches working properly in 3.0? seems post_watching is good - but thread watching is not working [20:17]
nevalihow to send a friend request to the user from a user [20:25]
Darkbee@Nevali: Click on their username somewhere like a forum post or online users to get to their "User information" page, and then choose "Request friendship from this user". [20:28]
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philbackanyone using filegalleries with categories and groups with 2.2 ?
I've got galleries and files that do stay hidden... 		[20:33]
nevaliI can see the users but Iam not able click on the username [20:37]
Darkbee@Nevail, then they have set their information as "private"
Nevali sorry. 		[20:40]
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nevali@Darkbee they changed to public but it didn't work [20:45]
sylviegphilback: check you have tiki_view_categorized if it is categorized ... [20:49]
philbackthe permission is not there on my install, that's weird
not show in the list of perms
it's a 2.0
not 2.2 		[20:58]
sylviegclear temp/cache [20:59]
philbackk
mmm
how comes ? what is in there ? 		[21:00]
sylviegstill not having the perm tiki_p_view_categorized? [21:01]
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philbackno, not in there.
cache helped
I've installs with customizations here and there. This one is a 2.0
but it's ok, I've found a way to get what I want to do without categories.
just put the rights for a given group on a file gallery. it's fine.
I had a look in the code but it's a bit too complicated to understand it all now. 		[21:05]
CIA-24tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17765 10/branches/3.0/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX]forum: delete watches when deleting topic [21:17]
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luciash3.0 after saving article: Fatal error: Call to a member function capture_images() on a non-object in /.../tiki-edit_article.php on line 382 [21:32]
sylviegit was a long time i was not in the forums .. there a rebroken
luciash - do you have a module using images... 		[21:32]
luciashluciash just discovered after enabling report all errors on Admin > General :-p
it's not module, it's article (CMS) save 		[21:34]
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luciashwhen i disable php error reporting it passes without no errors of course [21:35]
sylviegyes but it is because problable imagegallib was used in a m,odule without a global [21:35]
luciashno module, simple article [21:36]
sylviegusually I debug thsi by puttin a debug_print_backtrace(); in the imagelib.php [21:36]
luciashokay, thanks for hint
goddamnit, looks something is missing on the hosting... doesn't save the article even when php error reporting is off 		[21:36]
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luciashsylvieg: where was the gdlib/imagick setting check ? [21:40]
philbackbyebye people =-) [21:43]
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luciashit's FreeBSD server
i fear it's again related to some php functions which are not compiled in by default :-/
(like ctype)
luciash wonders where the capture_images() function belongs, goes to check php.net 		[21:51]
sylvieg./lib/imagegals/imagegallib.php: function capture_images($data) [21:52]
luciashah, thx, it's custom tiki function, right ?
uploading image to filegallery works with no problme 		[21:53]
sylviegyeh.. so it is why I think it is a global $imagelib; missing somewhere
but o fcourse I am sure... 		[21:53]
luciash:)
must be somewhere in between saving article ;) 		[21:54]
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