#tikiwiki 2009-04-03,Fri

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CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17766 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Renamed color option to be more accurate. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17767 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/copper/copper.png: [FIX] Renamed color option to be more accurate. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17768 10/mods/trunk/Packages/themes-andreas09_tiki_3.info.txt: [FIX] Renamed color option to be more accurate.	[05:18]
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chibaguy	Hmm, my T3 shoutjax->shoutbox isn't working today....	[05:34]
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chibaguy	On my todo list today: test site identity options in themes and browsers. I know for one thing the site title text doesn't display correctly in IE6 and/or 7 in all themes. And having a logo (and sitetitle?) and a banner ad hasn't been tested in a while. For sure there'll be conflicts now that the search is in the header top area in Strasa and Coelesce. But in T3, the area is more robust in terms of content overflow relative to background images in some themes - new method. chibaguy first has to take care of some analog tasks, unfortunately, then to the fun stuff...	[05:44]
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luciash	hello	[06:19]
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Yoni	morning	[06:32]
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CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17769 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] list_faqs: fix the item count in this function (cant did not check the perms). Replace user_has_perm_on_object with new function get_perm_object.	[07:01]
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rlopez_	15 students proposals for GSOC in tiki that sounds good!	[07:37]
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R\|SK	Polom, polom. Is there any way I can get Tiki to directly go to an internal chapter, after editing this chapter? Currently the whole site is reloaded and tiki starts at the top of the page again.	[09:41]
	What is escpeacially annoying If you have edited a section at the end of the page.	[09:53]
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Lenny	hi everybody, i'm new in this chat ;)	[10:52]
rlopez_	Lenny, are you the student applying for the gsoc? i guess i sent you an email	[10:53]
Lenny	yes O.o	[10:53]
Yoni	Hello Lenny	[10:53]
CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17770 10/branches/3.0/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX]forum: to be able to reply to a post	[10:53]
Lenny	oh, your nick is easy to recognize xD i'm still working on your advices...	[10:53]
rlopez_	Lenny was applying to work on the drag and drop gsoc proposal I'm sure somebody here will give you more feedback	[10:54]
Lenny	i'm analizing similar applications and the jquery functions ok, thanks	[10:54]
rlopez_	if you need something just ask ;-)	[10:55]
Lenny	uhm, now you say... ...in the drag and drop functionality for upload files from the desktop... oh, don't worry, a great idea has just come to my mind :D	[10:56]
rlopez_	good! don't forget the deadline is today	[11:01]
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pjk1200bps	Hey guys.. is this a typo in the web server / php requirements section on doc.tikiwiki.org ? max_execution_time = 300 ; Maximum execution time of each script, in seconds (from http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Requirements+and+Setup )	[11:13]
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pjk1200bps	Anyone actually around?	[12:00]
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spoonypjk	marclaporte, you around?	[12:28]
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marclaporte	bbl	[12:34]
spoonypjk	ok	[12:36]
sylvieg	max_execution_time = 300 is probably a typo...	[12:38]
CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17771 10/branches/3.0/templates/comments.tpl: [MOD]forum: do not show move to topic if no other topic	[12:41]
R\|SK	Is it somehow possible to get Tiki scroll down to the chapter I've just edited and saved? Currently it reloads the page after editing and stays at the top.	[12:45]
sylvieg	I do not think so =- as there is 'editing comment' at the top	[12:46]
R\|SK	-.- That's a annoying issue.	[12:46]
sylvieg	but it should be interesting to have this	[12:46]
R\|SK	indeed But let me guess... Feature request?	[12:46]
spoonypjk	sylvieg: I thought so. 300 second timeout seems insane. sylvieg: thanks for the reply too :)	[13:00]
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CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17772 10/branches/3.0/templates/comment-header.tpl: [FIX]comment: display only the show button on the topic - because the code dealing with notification looks at only the topic	[13:17]
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CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17773 10/branches/3.0/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX]forum: fix watch	[13:28]
Lenny	it's the final countdown...tinoniiiiinooooo xD	[13:35]
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rlopez_	marc: here we are finishing some students proposals marc: have you read some of them? any suggestion?	[14:07]
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marclaporte	back spoonypjk: ping rlopez_: did not read	[14:28]
rlopez_	ok	[14:30]
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marclaporte	http://irc.tikiwiki.org oups	[16:12]
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Darkbee	hello all For those that were in chat yesterday around this time and read the problems I'm having with no specifc error message on login.. I have determined that this is a bug introduced in v2.3 (I'll submit a bug on dev tiki, assuming one hasn't been already) I just upgraded a 2.2 site that was working perfectly fine and now, on 2.3, I have no specific errors messages, like for example if I put in a correct username but incorrect password. bug can be replicated on http://www.opensourcecms.com/cms/tiki/, if you enter the incorrect admin password, you will not get a specific message telling you that is the case.	[16:39]
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sylvieg	Darkbee: reverse this commit http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/2.0/templates/error.tpl?r1=13525&r2=15741	[16:47]
GillesMM	hello	[16:47]
Darkbee	Hi Gilles Thanks Sylvieg Should I bother submitting a bug report?	[16:48]
GillesMM	the wysiwyg editor have a strange background color not the page backgrounfd but site background idea ?	[16:48]
Darkbee	I don't use it Gilles, sorry. No idea. :(	[16:49]
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GillesMM	sylvieg: ?	[16:49]
CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17774 10/branches/2.0/templates/error.tpl: reverse 15741: to have login errors at least(in 3, all the errortypes have been propagated	[16:53]
sylvieg	GillesMM: ok for me... chenge your theme	[16:53]
GillesMM	ok	[16:53]
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GillesMM	sylvieg: the problem is fckeditor takes body background-color and my body bg is black when I an in edition mode the background is black	[16:55]
Darkbee	sylvieg : thanks, works like charm. TikiWiki still rocks. :)	[16:59]
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luciash	hi, what's the best way to deal with open_basedir restrictions ?	[18:14]
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luciash	tiki 3.0 is not compatible with that :-/	[18:16]
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Macleus	Hi all	[18:39]
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Macleus	any dev's here??? !help	[18:41]
Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[18:41]
ricks99	hi :)	[18:53]
Macleus	hi ricks	[18:59]
luciash	hi is it possible to add basedir to .htaccess or what is the best place to modify ?	[19:04]
Macleus	hi	[19:05]
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luciash	i get this PHP warnings on tiki-index.php: http://pastey.net/111588 any ideas please ? then i get this error when i want to modify and save wiki page: Fatal error: Call to a member function capture_images() on a non-object in /usr/www/.../tiki-editpage.php on line 1047 i need to make the saving working on that site or i cannot use tiki anymore there :-/ wow, that was stupido, looks like the file containing capture_images() function got only partially uploaded via ftp, now it's aving again :-p *saving even, sorry so the openbasedir doesn't affect it, good, at least for now it works :)	[19:09]
sylvieg	I do not understand the connection between capture_images ans md5 .. are you sure it is the same problem? sorry	[19:20]
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Macleus	can someone help me with some ideas I was having, Im new to Tiki	[19:22]
SEWilco2	Macleus: Just ask, don't ask to ask.	[19:23]
Macleus	ok I am building a site for my clubs RPG campaigns. I want them to be able to click a button to create a new campaign which will give them their own Blog, Wiki, and a few other things. Im not sure where to start	[19:23]
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SEWilco2	Macleus: I'm not aware of a packaged-configuration creating tool. Someone would have to do PHP programming to create such a tool. Macleus: Probably what has to be done first is to create a Group, which will have needed permissions, and which can be joined to users who are part of the "campaign".	[19:27]
Macleus	So everything on a tikiwiki site "other than the wiki of course" has to be manually created by the admin?	[19:29]
SEWilco2	Macleus: Configuration has to be done by admin or sub-admins (such as a user-admin who can only admin users). Content created by editors or some similar role.	[19:30]
Macleus	Basically I am just looking for how to write a script that fires off when a user asks it to	[19:30]
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SEWilco2	Macleus: Yeah, there is no script-like tool yet. It's a good idea, being able to perform admin functions with scripts. Macleus: I'm trying to recall whether I saw such a request already filed in http://dev.tikiwiki.org	[19:31]
Macleus	could you create a script with PHP?	[19:32]
luciash	maybe it could be done via filling a tracker item to launch an action after that	[19:32]
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Macleus	thats a pretty good idea. I would have to create a new module for that specific tracker and put a .tpl on top of it but that only takes care of the button.	[19:34]
luciash	Macleus: yep, then you need php code which would trigger that action based on current $user or group	[19:35]
Macleus	where can I get a list of PHP commands to use with tiki?	[19:37]
luciash	tiki is so big and complex, unfortunatelly there is no such list of "commands" maintained... see http://dev.tikiwiki.org and search there hth	[19:38]
Macleus	???	[19:39]
luciash	hope that helps Macleus: btw, every user can have own group at registration time (set on Admin > Login), every user can have personal wiki page at tiki-index.php?page=UserPage<username> where UserPage prefix can be set up to something else on Admin > Wiki	[19:39]
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Macleus	thank yoju you*	[19:45]
luciash	Macleus: one could write a module or a wiki plugin in php which would generate a form prefilling hidden fields with user data and you could then include it in a wiki page... when user comes and clicks the submit button there could be another php which would submit the required queries to create new blog for that user, etc.	[19:49]
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luciash	Macleus: with prettytrackers you can now also create a wiki page when you use "page" tracker item field	[20:05]
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CIA-24	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17775 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-assignpermission.tpl: [MOD] assignpermissions: code indenting - no changes	[22:04]
	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17776 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-assignpermission.tpl: [FIX] assignpermission: some very tiny code reorganizing	[22:10]
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spoonypjk	Hey guys. I can't find much info about how the inbound email works in the forum?.. I assume it allows it to act like a hybrid mailling list/forum when combined with the two email address settings ? iw. how does it actually check for new email? i know u configure the account in the settings but do u need to setup a cron job etc?? iw=ie	[22:49]
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sylvieg	each time you go in tiki-view_forum .. or perhaps tiki-vir_forum_thread it checked for new emai	[22:58]
spoonypjk	ah. so you cant quite use it as a hybrid mailling list as well.. unless I cronjobs hitting the view_forum php file?	[22:59]
sylvieg	we do not do cronjobs in tw - because it is system dependent so we do waht we can..	[23:00]
spoonypjk	ie. if no one physically goes to the forum for half a day. But 10 people have sent messages to the email address.. no one would know. But I could probably cronjob to hit that php file to make it check it more often/regularly? Yeah I completely understand the rationale behind the decision to not cronjob.. and I agree with it.	[23:01]
sylvieg	:-)	[23:01]
spoonypjk	While I've got you cornered.. ive got another question :) another question for when someone wakes up.. would u recommend storum forum attachments in db or filesystem. i have a couple reasons why id prefer filesystem.. but will any security protect them if a particular forum is locked down/password protected? Or would I have to setup something external? oops.. I had that copied from before. ignore the bit about when someone wakes up :) I was typing that when you answered my other question (in the middle of typing it).	[23:02]
sylvieg	you can always decide that all disk storage are out of the www access	[23:03]
spoonypjk	Ah.. of course.	[23:03]
sylvieg	so put every dir outside and the probabilty to have problem - it is always a md5 (name+date) - so good luck	[23:03]
spoonypjk	Im mostly thinking 1. dont necessarily want the database to get too big. And 2. the type of attachments that people would use would all be project related. so it would be nice to have them available to use at a filesystem level. I didnt quite understand that last sentence.?	[23:04]
sylvieg	the option database storing - is only for lazy people who want to save the application in one click	[23:05]
spoonypjk	ahh I get you.	[23:06]
sylvieg	each file saved has a 'funny' name - based on an encoding name of the file + tim e- so it is almost impossible to know a bitweaver guy...	[23:06]
spoonypjk	Might make it a tad harder for me to use the files in the way that I was thinking then too actually. whos a bitweaver guy?	[23:07]
sylvieg	in fagl you have the podcast option - you keep the extension - not the name spoonypjk: when I click info - I get biotweaver	[23:08]
spoonypjk	Ive been trying to decide between bitweaver and tikiwiki at the moment.. I'm testing tikiwiki first to see how well it suits our needs ahh Thats because I downloaded both to test :) I'm hoping tikiwiki does what I need so I dont have to bother finishing the testing of bitweaver.	[23:09]
sylvieg	it depends how much you want to invest and your programming habit bitweaver is 'code' cleaner tw has much feature	[23:10]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[23:10]
spoonypjk	At the moment the more important factor is getting it up and running quicker. It's for a project thats only just in planning stages and we need somewhere to collaborate and gather all the ideas plus discuss it etc.. assign tasks and manage events. It's not a commercial project. Its actually for the creation of the first hackerspace in our city (see www.hackerspaces.org)	[23:11]
sylvieg	I can not help on this one - I have only long term thinkings	[23:12]
spoonypjk	In this situation the longterm goals/requirements would get reevaluated if the group actually manages to get off the ground and get incporated/rent a physical space. So you are basically saying bitweaver in the longerterm is easier to extend/hook into other things because of the way its code has been organiser/redone? (I read something about its modular philosophy)	[23:14]
sylvieg	depend not the simple - depends of your style at long term look at tw code and look at bitweaver code (+ tw is better on perm implementation	[23:15]
spoonypjk	I do like the idea of using it as a "product" and if the things that are included that we need (wiki, forum, assigning tasks, calendar/events) mostly do what we need relatively well.. I like the idea of having them naturally fit together and not having to upgrade the bits separately when one gets updated etc.	[23:19]
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spoonypjk	Ive setup a fairly heasvily modified phpbb forum for my wife before (which gets a fair bit of traffic actually).. and I had to glue so many hacked bits together to get it to behave exactly how we wanted.. it was a bit cumbersome to maintain for a while (till phpbb3 came out and that solved a heap of issues)..	[23:20]
sylvieg	bw and tw are the same on this point - it is only a model difference on authorization and th eapi dwefintion I got lost with bw param - overlaodeing stuf -- I got lost wit tw long list of argument and code duplication - your choice..	[23:20]
spoonypjk	But in the end you chose tw :) ?	[23:21]
sylvieg	I am what I am bbl	[23:22]
spoonypjk	yup thanks for your help. Youve been really helpful.. So that's +1 sofar on tw for irc help :)	[23:23]
luciash	:) "to get it to behave exactly how we wanted" you'll always have to hack any app pretty much ;) but tiki offers more and more flexibility in customization	[23:25]
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spoonypjk	luciash: Yeah agreed. I'm definitely flexible on requirements etc.. but there's certain things that you just cant put up with. For instance being able to add an image in a wiki page has to be easy.. sofar I really liked the process of how tikiwiki handles that. dont have to leave the page to insert/upload a new image. I'm still deciding on whether the wysiwyg editor integrates well enough. Many of the people that will be using it will really need that type of interface. It seems fine on newly created pages sofar, but I need to do a little bit more testing as trying to edit the main default page in the wysiwyg borked it up. I'm going to do some tests on creating pages with the normal editor and then going back in with the visual. Hopefully it is just a quirk with that main page.	[23:31]
luciash	wysiwyg is not perfect code yet	[23:34]
spoonypjk	I guessed that from some of the comments on the tw website. Hopefully it mostly usable though? Are there any showstoppping glaringly obvious problems with it? (I assume if there was it wouldn't be available for use at all?)	[23:35]
luciash	i believe it got improved in 3.0 SVN branch pretty much but i'd not recommend using it switching wysiwyg to normal and back and forth while editing pages	[23:39]
spoonypjk	So would you recommend if I'm going to use it to force its usage? Is that where the instability may lay? people jumping between normal and wysiwyg? or do you only mean while actually in an editing session?	[23:40]
luciash	most wiki people prefer wiki syntax anyway (it's almost as easy as with wysiwyg with quicktags)	[23:41]
spoonypjk	I personally am completely comfortable with wiki syntax.. and once you get used to it it's fine. But I know a heap of the people that will be using the site may not be as accepting. It would be nice to have the visual option for them so they have the instant feedback of what the page looks like without having to preview.	[23:42]
luciash	i mean more in editing session but differences may appear while some people use wysiwyg and the others don't i think for wysiwyg better is to use wiki paragraph formatting preference than without	[23:43]
spoonypjk	I think I've already come across some differences in thinks like internal wiki links created in normal editor vs wysiwyg showing differently or not thinking the page is created when it is. is wiki paragraph formatting the one that lets you edit just one paragraph without having to edit the whole page?	[23:44]
luciash	nope, this doesn't count every new line as to render like <br /> but only when one empty line is there it creates a paragraph (<p>) to force br users have to use %%% then	[23:46]
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spoonypjk	ah right. thanks for the tip.	[23:47]
luciash	the feature you mean is called "section edit"	[23:47]
spoonypjk	A part of me really just wants to force people to use the wiki syntax and get used to hitting "preview" :)	[23:48]
luciash	distinguished by headings <h1-h6>	[23:48]
spoonypjk	ahh section edit, right. nice feature. Ahh so thats how section edit works.	[23:48]
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