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[03:48] <chibaguy> Can .tabcontent manage without a z-index? Infamous IE z-index bug makes suckerfish menu dropdowns (z-index: 800 or something) appear _under_ .tabcontent (z-index: 200).
[03:50] <chibaguy> If the only purpose of .tabcontent z-index is to make sure it overlaps the bottom of tabs, then maybe tabs can just be aligned more carefully to the top of .tabcontent, and remove the z-index.
[04:00] <chibaguy> Well, at least IE7 can get .tabcontent with z-index: none....
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[05:03] <chibaguy> or .tabcontent{position:static}, for no z-index....
[05:03] <chibaguy> er, position: static... :-)
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[05:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17794 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-anchors.tpl: [FIX] No need for inline elements (a.icon) to be floated (was causing column overflow in IE7).
[05:52] <chibaguy> Hmm, when did tiki-admin.php break in IE7, in feb12 and thenews? (center col overlaps right)
[05:59] <chibaguy> .cbox & .cbox-data need overflow:hidden for IE7 to wrap the contents, apparently.
[06:17] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17795 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (coelesce.css feb12.css strasa.css thenews.css): [FIX] div.cbox and .cbox-data need overflow:hidden for IE7 to wrap the contents (problem noticed with icons on tiki-admin.php).
[06:34] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17796 10/mods/trunk/themes/ (10 files in 10 dirs): [FIX] div.cbox and .cbox-data need overflow:hidden for IE7 to wrap the contents (maybe only a problem for litecss layouts but added for all).
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[07:23] <Beestje> @ Hansi : I have created a blogs plugin to put the x last posts of a blog in a wiki page.
[07:23] <Beestje> I have submitted the feature request http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2392&trackerId=5
[07:23] <Beestje> maybe you can get the attached file and test it?
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[07:44] <luminoso> bom dia
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[08:22] <Yoni_> morning
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[10:32] <spoonypjk> generally for images within wiki pages would you just use a file gallery to store them?
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[11:41] <ricks99> hi all
[11:42] <ricks99> anyone know why Version plugin is broken in 3.x? 
[11:42] <jonnyb> hi rick - not used it recently, sorry
[11:42] <ricks99> :(
[11:43] <ricks99> gonna make it really tough on doc.tw.o 
[11:44] <ricks99> was fixed in 2.x, regression in 3.x
[11:44] <ricks99> see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=838
[11:44] <jonnyb> can't be much to it (FLW), i'll check it out
[11:44] <ricks99> u da man!
[11:45] <jonnyb> let's see... ;)
[11:46] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17797 10/trunk/lib/commentslib.php: bad merge
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[12:05] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17798 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [MOD] coelesce: title and subtitle positionning in header + fix tiki-top horbar height
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[12:45] <spoonypjk> blah I really want to leave wysiwyg enabled in 3.0.. but it just creates such ugly inconsistent text. I'll miss the nice image uploaded though too.
[12:46] <spoonypjk> hmm maybe i shouldve enabled content purifier?
[12:46] <spoonypjk> err i mean html purifier.
[12:50] <sylvieg> jonnyb: I will give up with shoutbox ajax - right now - need to do something else - I can not have it work with a minimum of recoding
[12:51] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17799 10/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] new 'feature_comments_locking' pref to allow the user to disable the locking of comments (this has no impact on forums, where the locking feature never was an option) + fix a missing global smarty
[12:53] <jonnyb> hi sylvieg - ok, that's more or less where i got with it (too scary for 3.0). But i'll have a look at the changes you made to all the modules yesterday - was that related?
[12:53] <sylvieg> not really
[12:54] <jonnyb> oh - what do you suggest? rollback to separate soutbox from shoutjax again?
[12:55] <sylvieg> I added the missing globals to be able to put the execution of a module in a function - it will be cleaner - but ... it is too much risky for 3.0
[12:55] <jonnyb> agreed
[12:56] <jonnyb> i'll have another go at adding a parameter on shoutbox so it doesn't do ajax by default
[12:56] <chibaguy> I hope shoutjax can be added separate from shoutbox; very nice function.
[12:56] <jonnyb> me2
[12:56] <sylvieg> problem is that i can not have the pagination working without breaking shoutbox
[12:57] <sylvieg> points I do not understand
[12:57] <sylvieg> with calling tiki-shoutbox in ajax-shoutbox?
[12:57] <jonnyb> you also had an issue with ajax and flash plugin, sylvieg - but that wasn't related to this was it? (more to do with ajax edit, i think)
[12:58] <sylvieg> no this was with the javascript --- but it seems not so import
[12:58] <sylvieg> flash is not often used...
[12:58] <jonnyb> ok, good
[12:58] <jonnyb> i'll have another go at shoutbox/jax
[12:59] <sylvieg> I will send you want I tried to do ... I need to do something else today
[12:59] <jonnyb> super - thanks
[13:00] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17800 10/trunk/ (110 files in 14 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 17786 to 17798
[13:05] <jonnyb> ricks99: wikiplugin_versions is completely mad and i can't work it out at all - seems full of typos and errors, and the help doesn't really, um - help
[13:05] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17801 10/branches/3.0/ (10 files in 7 dirs): 
[13:05] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: [MOD][BP-17799] new 'feature_comments_locking' pref to allow the user to disable the locking of comments (this has no impact on forums, where the locking feature never was an option) + fix a missing global smarty
[13:05] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: [NEW][BP-16740] forum and comments: New locking feature
[13:05] <ricks99> :(
[13:06] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17802 10/branches/3.0/ (lib/modules/modlib.php tiki-module.php tiki-modules.php): [MOD]module: split the code to be able to execute a module individually
[13:06] <ricks99> really, really, really, need it to work :(
[13:06] <jonnyb> i think i should leave it and address the ajax problems (i've caused) - sorry, i'll check in where i've got to
[13:06] <jonnyb> more than beta2 being released?
[13:06] <jonnyb> (today, i  believe)
[13:07] <ricks99> well...
[13:07] <ricks99> would like to see it fixed before final 3.0
[13:07] <jonnyb> plugins can come later surely?
[13:09] <sylvieg> jonnyb: mail sent explaining where I am
[13:10] <sylvieg> (I need to read xajax doc one of these days) 
[13:14] <chibaguy> jonnyb, what is later today?
[13:14] <jonnyb> 3.0 beta 2?
[13:14] <chibaguy> Hmm, I hadn't heard that...
[13:15] <jonnyb> thanks sylvieg - xajax docs are very thin - been there, will do my best
[13:15] <jonnyb> maybe i dreamt it chibaguy? :)
[13:16] <chibaguy> Did you wake up in a cold sweat? ;-)
[13:16] <jonnyb> usually!
[13:16] <sylvieg> jonnyb: if you do not have time today, I will have another try tomorrow
[13:16] <jonnyb> had a complete power outage all friday, then busy all weekend - didn't help!
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[13:21] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17803 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] missing file for commit 17801
[13:25] <spoonypjk> with wiki syntax can you apply a ! or !! to text inside a title -= =- ?
[13:25] <spoonypjk> I cant seem to get it to happen.
[13:26] <sylvieg> ! must be the firat character of the line
[13:27] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17804 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] missing files for commit 17801
[13:27] <spoonypjk> Hmm cant get it to happen in 3.0
[13:27] <ricks99> for 3.x installer, if there is no internet connection, the "install/upgrade profile" takes a *long* time to load (1+ minute on my pc) while tiki "times out" any way to shorten this delay?
[13:27] <spoonypjk> I get a bold ! and then the next line as the -= =- title
[13:31] <luminoso> beta2 today? cool!
[13:31] <luminoso> bring it on!!
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[13:51] <marclaporte> ricks99: : nyloth coded something around there, 
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[13:57] <ricks99> havnt seen nyloth  in a while
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[14:14] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17805 10/branches/3.0/css/admin.css: [FIX] jquery reflection seems to make 'div.adminanchors a' display:block so they need to be floated.
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[14:38] <chibaguy> jonnyb, I've noticed some strangeness in the Strasa theme's left column, in IE7. The module flipping is crazy. As the modules collapse, the title gets left behind, etc.
[14:39] <chibaguy> This is with or without jquery on. 
[14:39] <jonnyb> yummy :)
[14:39] <chibaguy> Just wondering if you've noticed. 
[14:39] <chibaguy> I'll keep checking.
[14:39] <chibaguy> Funny that it's only that column in that theme.
[14:40] <jonnyb> not recently - module flipping has been odd sometimes recently - i only do IE7 in emergencies (usually takes 30 mins+ to run for me)
[14:40] <jonnyb> that's the one with the round corners? maybe related?
[14:41] <chibaguy> I tried it without the corner bg images (and padding needed for them, etc.) also - same result.
[14:42] <chibaguy> But anyway I'll do a more comprehensive check tomorrow (it's near midnight here).
[14:42] <jonnyb> eek! - nite nite, see you later
[14:43] <chibaguy> heh, ok :-)
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[15:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17806 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_versions.php: 
[15:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: [FIX] wikiplugin_versions showing all versions' text
[15:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Beefed up preg_replace pattern to detect next '---(version x)---' tag (hope it holds!)
[15:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Also fixed some var name typos & strpos evals
[15:45] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: (thanks Ricks99)
[16:03] <spoonypjk> is it possible to get "add another image" to default to an image gallery instead of a file gallery in 3.0?
[16:04] <jonnyb> i don't think so spoonypjk - image galleries are on their way out afaik
[16:04] <spoonypjk> ah, so file gallery's will handle everything?
[16:07] <Hansi> Beestje: I got it to work using  bloglist plugin "{BLOGLIST(Id=1, Items=10)}{BLOGLIST}", but thanks anyway :-)
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[16:20] <SEWilco2> Do file galleries cache the resized images?  I'm having trouble finding where they are cached.
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[16:57] <alfredpr> !help
[16:57] <Tikiwiki|bot> You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .
[16:59] <uSlacker> good afternoon all
[16:59] <uSlacker> I want to follow up on the windows issue for a few minutes
[17:00] <uSlacker> Not sure who can answer but can any of the Devs explain the use of $tikiroot in tiki-installer.php?
[17:00] <uSlacker> from its name I would epect it to contain the root directory of the tiki install
[17:01] <uSlacker> but under Windows it does not work.  It instead holds the drive root (C:\ typically )
[17:01] <jonnyb> not sure in installer but everywhere else (on *nix) it seems to be set to the root of the install
[17:02] <uSlacker> So if I modify the code to make it do the right thing on Windows - that would be good, correct?
[17:02] <SEWilco2> jonnyb: Is it root on the filesystem or root in URLs?  I forget.
[17:02] <jonnyb> actually it's set to the path - e.g. /tiki/branches/3.0/
[17:02] <jonnyb> url
[17:03] <uSlacker> so if my url was http://gmartin.org/tiki/tiki-index.php then $tikiroot would be /tiki?
[17:08] <uSlacker> Ok, next question.  Looking at tiki-installer.php there is a create_dirs function
[17:08] <uSlacker> in the declaration is declares 'global $docroot'
[17:09] <uSlacker> I'm not much of a php coder - is that delaring a new variable called docroot that has global scope or is it accessing and existing variable
[17:09] <uSlacker> The variable is not defined in that function, but it uses it to point to the apparent filesystem path to tiki
[17:09] <jonnyb> uSlacker: $tikiroot should be /tiki/ (with trailing /)
[17:10] <jonnyb> sorry - deep in ajax, haven't looked at installer for er... ever, maybe
[17:11] <jonnyb> global accesses existing (global) var, or creates it if not there
[17:11] <uSlacker> But it is wrong.  It appears to point to the directory aboe where tiki is
[17:11] <uSlacker> aboe = above
[17:11] <uSlacker> jonnyb: - thanks
[17:12] <jonnyb> have a look at phpinfo to see what the server's sending - the one you want should be there somewhere
[17:13] <uSlacker> ok - so that comes from the server?
[17:14] <jonnyb> there's a link on tiki on under admin (assuming you've got one running ;))
[17:14] <jonnyb> mine is http://localhost/tiki-branch-30/tiki-phpinfo.php
[17:15] <uSlacker> yeah - I have it.  ineresting it won't work for a new Windows install until the install completes!
[17:19] <jonnyb> you can make one very easily...
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[17:19] <uSlacker> interesting - in phpinfo doc_root is set to nothing - which now that I think about itis what php.ini says
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[17:19] <uSlacker> jonnyb: (I hacked it to work - thanks
[17:19] <jonnyb> http://php.net/phpinfo
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[17:20] <jonnyb> might be related...
[17:20] <DawnLight> hello
[17:20] <uSlacker> ok - thx jonnyb.  gotta run and do real work.  more tonight...
[17:20] <jonnyb> bibi
[17:21] <DawnLight> I see that minimum is 512 but i've only got 256 in my rented vps. is there hope?
[17:21] <jonnyb> hi DawnLight - me to, runs ok but can be a bit slow
[17:21] <jonnyb> where does it say min 512?
[17:21] <DawnLight> does it swap, jonnyb?
[17:22] <DawnLight> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl=y
[17:22] <jonnyb> yes, so slow somethings
[17:23] <DawnLight> i won't use it, then...
[17:24] <DawnLight> i've another question, here. why isn't it packaged for debian and ubuntu? i mean - i've seen the discussion in debian about this but this hasn't been changed since a long time. doesn't anyone feel like packaging it?
[17:24] <jonnyb> it might be my vps - and i have 4 multitikis running on it too - it certainly doesn't completely fail
[17:24] <jonnyb> no time
[17:25] <jonnyb> it would be great though!
[17:26] <DawnLight> it would
[17:26] <DawnLight> i'm not sure where to file such requests in ubuntu
[17:26] <spoonypjk> Just when you think youve got everything just right.. you test it on the windows machine in ie7.. and bam doesnt quite work right. Just noticed in 3.0 in ie7 (thenews)
[17:27] <spoonypjk> in thenews, the name of the menu and the first menu item appear on the same line right next to each other in ie7
[17:27] <spoonypjk> fine on firefox on linux though.
[17:27] <spoonypjk> Been trying to  compare and track it down but at a loss at the moment. dont know the layout well enough
[17:28] <spoonypjk> its fine in other styles
[17:30] <spoonypjk> dawnlight: Im sure you could use your vps and disable a heap of unneeded services.. especially if you're running a gui.
[17:31] <DawnLight> what gui? on the server? i don't think that there're any services to disable
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[17:32] <spoonypjk> is it already quite a streamlined server distro?
[17:40] <DawnLight> sure
[17:41] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03aproulx * r17807 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_fancylist.php: add div param on fancytable for using div instead of ol
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[18:17] <luminoso> so... 3.0b2 today?
[18:18] <jonnyb> doesn't sound like it, everyone missed the mail
[18:19] <luminoso> :-(
[18:19] <luminoso> i din't like tw version 2
[18:20] <luminoso> but since i saw 3.0b1
[18:20] <jonnyb> soon though
[18:20] <luminoso> i'm lovig it
[18:20] <jonnyb> :)
[18:20] <luminoso> already instaled it on my host
[18:20] <luminoso> i'm almost shore it i'll be my website engine
[18:21] <jonnyb> me too - i have several non-critical ones running branches/3.0 for a while - you'll love it! (i think)
[18:21] <luminoso> 3.0 is so... hummm
[18:21] <luminoso> web 2.0
[18:22] <luminoso> lol
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[18:22] <jonnyb> getting there - thanks
[18:23] <luminoso> i'm the one who say thank you for your work
[18:23] <luminoso> :-D
[18:23] <luminoso> so: thank you
[18:23] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17810 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Invalidate page's cache after validation
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[19:04] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17811 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] someone forgot to add global and include for the smarty icon function call ;)
[19:06] <luciash> oolom
[19:06] <jonnyb> and polom luciash
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[19:11] <luciash> yo jonnyb 
[19:11] <jonnyb> greets
[19:12] <luciash> i'm sorry for being late, got busy with some other stuff
[19:12] <luciash> is beta 2 already out ?
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[19:12] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17812 10/trim/ (Makefile scripts/setupupdate.php scripts/update.php): [MOD] Script to setup automatic update
[19:12] <jonnyb> no body else seems to have noticed that mail, so i think not
[19:13] <luciash> heheh, actually i only read it first time too (that one which seems to be from marc in your reply)
[19:13] <luciash> i'd like to add something still tonight hopefully before beta2 still
[19:13] <luciash> to admin > l&f
[19:13] <jonnyb> i'm glad - want to get the category picker sorted out before we freeze - 50% done
[19:14] <luciash> thanks for removing that debug of jquery sortables... it got very annoying when it suddenly appeared on menghao.cz :-p
[19:14] <luciash> i figured out i have to switch jquery sortables off in the end :-p
[19:15] <jonnyb> i never saw the debug info :( hence it getting left in - odd, as i have firebug & most of it works ok
[19:15] <jonnyb> yes, sortables is extra-experimental - shame...
[19:15] <luciash> they were javascript dialog windows popping up suddenly :-p
[19:16] <jonnyb> so do you think it's ok with the degub switched off? it messes up the odd/even colourings
[19:16] <luciash> what messes it up ?
[19:17] <luciash> i didn't notice
[19:17] <luciash> i just noticed you commited oops fix to remove these debug messages... i didn't try it on since
[19:18] <jonnyb> the "zebra" stripes of odd/even rows goes all weird for me
[19:18] <luciash> matthew have sent me a mail today about he wants to document write some extra divs to allow some rounded corners or something using jquery
[19:18] <luciash> i have replied him that's already in with no JS requirement
[19:18] <luciash> were you working on it together ?
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[19:19] <jonnyb> that's what i tried to say
[19:19] <luciash> i have to ad some setting to the l&f pagesstill for it
[19:19] <luciash> *page still
[19:19] <jonnyb> sort of - i was trying to untangle the ajax mess i'd made (sylvieg did it in the end)
[19:20] <jonnyb> yes, i saw the checkbox (looking a bit lonely) and see it makes lots of extra divs, but didn't get more involved
[19:20] <luciash> i have to reply him still about what's it about (the layershadows preference)
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[19:21] <luciash> i'd like to keep it without jquery dependency
[19:21] <marclaporte> polom
[19:21] <jonnyb> put something on doc.tw.o maybe? (agreed, not jq dependant)
[19:21] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17813 10/branches/3.0/lib/articles/artlib.php: [FIX]articles: topic was broken
[19:21] <luciash> yo marclaporte :)
[19:21] <jonnyb> hi marc
[19:22] <marclaporte> if any questions for LPH, he is with me. We are cleaning up some stuff in TRIM & profiles
[19:22] <luciash> i'd like to, it's getting very busy these days ;)
[19:22] <luciash> LPH: how are you, man ? :)
[19:22] <jonnyb> ditto
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[19:26] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17814 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Normal to accept anything in the HTML plugin
[19:29] <marclaporte> he waves his hands :-)
[19:29] <jonnyb> marclaporte: the mail i this morning sent with a screenshot that was too big for the cvs list this morning can be killed - gary fixed it anyway :) ta
[19:29] <luciash> :)
[19:30] <luciash> so this html plugin is very dangerous stuff, right ?
[19:31] <marclaporte> yes, very
[19:31] <luciash> powerful but dangerous, will it blink some red alerts around when users enable it ? ;)
[19:31] <marclaporte> we need to add that!
[19:32] <marclaporte> we would need a mouse-over warning on all potentially risky options
[19:32] <marclaporte> on the checkbox
[19:32] <marclaporte> + adding to admin security
[19:32] <marclaporte> users need plugin_validate to make html plugin dangerous
[19:34] <luciash> jonnyb: btw, www.menghao.cz uses layoutshadows preference on ;)
[19:34] <Hansi> A very good idea to warn users about potentially dangerous stuff, not everyone (including me) know the implications of enabling this and enabling that ... which I have a tendency to do ;-)
[19:34] <luciash> hallo Hansi, yup yup :)
[19:35] <Hansi> hello luciash  ;-)
[19:36] <Hansi> maybe with an option to turn those warnings off ... and a VERY BIG warning on that option ;-)
[19:36] <jonnyb> nice luciash - no more hacking tiki.tpl for me :))
[19:40] <luciash> jonnyb: yup yup :)
[19:40] <luciash> Hansi: hehe
[19:41] <jonnyb> luciash: a little more css to do though (as always ;) )
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[19:42] <Macleus> Im new to the tikiwiki world but when I click save from the wiki edit menu, it gives me an object not found 403 error.  I checked to make sure that it was changing the wiki pages and it is but I still get this error
[19:43] <luciash> jonnyb: it's not that bad.... that site is pretty lightweight on css classes and ids which were required to style... not everything in the admin part nor all features are styled of course
[19:44] <luciash> Macleus: what do you mean by "wiki edit menu" ?
[19:44] <Macleus> this is the addresshttp://xxx.xxxx.net/Main-Page&saved_msg=y
[19:45] <Macleus> that I get
[19:45] <Macleus> Im sry, the wiki page edit
[19:46] <Macleus> when you click edit on a wiki page
[19:46] <jonnyb> Macleus: sounds like a sefurl thing - probably easiest to switch that feature off (you have to set up .htaccess etc otherwise)
[19:47] <Macleus> gotcha, lemme try that
[19:49] <Macleus> That fixed it, thank you so much
[19:52] <Macleus> One last question, how do you see all of the tiki pages listed
[19:53] <jonnyb> no probs - page list is "inside" the main menu wiki item
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[19:53] <Macleus> it doesnt show up there, like it was deleted.
[19:53] <Macleus> do you know the page address
[19:54] <jonnyb> url is tiki-listpages.php
[19:54] <Macleus> thank you, I will add it back in
[19:59] <Hansi> I'm trying to create a module for the local weather appear ... the box appears, but it's empty ... is there anything special that needs to be done to use php code in a module? Is it at all possible?
[19:59] <Hansi> ...weather to appear...
[20:00] <luciash> Hansi: you have to enable php syntax for smarty (it's like {php}...{/php})
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[20:01] <luciash> in 3.0 it's on Admin > General iirc, dunno elsewhere
[20:01] <Hansi> luciash: just  put those in the start and end of the code?
[20:01] <luciash> y
[20:02] <luciash> i mean in 3.0 you have to allow php code in smarty because it can be potentially unsafe in some areas where smarty syntax is allowed
[20:02] <Hansi> so ... that's one of those that should have a big fat security warning? :-P
[20:02] <luciash> sort of, yes :)
[20:02] <Hansi> darn ;-)
[20:03] <luciash> depends who you allow to use that syntax
[20:03] <luciash> if it's just you, admin, it's safe
[20:03] <Hansi> you mean f ex in wiki pages?
[20:04] <luciash> only parts i know it can be used are admin areas and modules
[20:04] <luciash> and tpl files of course
[20:05] <luciash> so if you don't allow your users to edit modules, it should be safe
[20:05] <Hansi> I don't think I'll be allowing others to write stuff on my page, maybe other than comment on things
[20:06] <Hansi> bah ... still doesn't work
[20:07] <luciash> 3.0 ?
[20:07] <Hansi> yeah
[20:07] <luciash> enabled the checkbox on Admin > General ?
[20:07] <Hansi> updated about 15 mins ago ;-)
[20:07] <Hansi> yes
[20:07] <luciash> (sorry, i haven't tested myself, i just know the checkbox does exist there ;))
[20:08] <Hansi> hehe
[20:08] <luciash> congratulations, you revealed another bug it seems :-p
[20:08] <Hansi> thanks anyway ;-)
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[20:09] <Hansi> well, before we draw that conclusion it should be mentioned that I am no programmer at all
[20:09] <Hansi> maybe I could whip up some kind of PHP "Hello World" ... *maybe* ;-)
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[20:12] <SEWilco2> !help
[20:12] <Tikiwiki|bot> You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .
[20:12] <SEWilco2> The bot seems to ignore private messages.
[20:14] <SEWilco2> !learn HelloWorld See http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hello+World
[20:14] <SEWilco2> !HelloWorld
[20:14] <Caarrie> only certain people can use that SEWilco2
[20:15] <SEWilco2> Whatever "that" is, that is not documented.
[20:17] <SEWilco2> Odd.  The bot is ignoring private messages but uses them for error messages.
[20:17] <Caarrie> yes that is how it works for some things
[20:17] <Caarrie> unless that page says /msg then it does not work there
[20:20] <Hansi> When using php in modules, shoud I put "{php} <?php" in the beginning or only {php}"?
[20:22] <sylvieg> only {php} but be carefull it will not go through in 3.0
[20:22] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17816 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD]actionlog: add a way to modify the category in actionlog
[20:22] <sylvieg> except if you allow it in setup_smarty.php
[20:23] <Hansi> Yeah, I'm using 3.0
[20:23] <Hansi> enabling it in Admin >General won't help then?
[20:24] <sylvieg> no the {php} is disabled ion the code
[20:24] <Hansi> ok thanks, I'll try that :-)
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[20:26] <Hansi> lol
[20:26] <Hansi> something borked badly ;-)
[20:27] <SEWilco2> {BORK() /}
[20:27] <Hansi> perhaps I should do this on the testserver instead of the "production" server ;-)
[20:28] <SEWilco2> You mean feed the dog behind the cage instead of in the front of the zoo?  Where's the fun in that?
[20:29] <Hansi> lol :-)
[20:33] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17817 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_rss.php: [FIX] Sort order
[20:36] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17818 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_rss.php: [FIX] Some things just never make sense
[20:40] <Hansi> Anybody know how to remove the background picture in the "abse" theme?
[20:41] * SEWilco2 makes a joke about adding -nt to abse.
[20:42] <Hansi> -nt?
[20:42] <luminoso> with 3.0b1 when i login i see all menus: articles, file galleries, wiki,etc. but when i logout only wiki appears on menu. what should i do to see the other ones?
[20:42] <SEWilco2> luminoso: Add *-view permissions to Group "Anonymous"?
[20:42] <Hansi> luminoso: You probably need to give Anonymous more rights
[20:43] <luciash> luminoso: go to Admin > Groups > Anonymous and assign all in level basic to it
[20:43] <SEWilco2> Oh.  3.0 has default levels?  Good.
[20:43] <luciash> far down there's hidden "extra" stuff to expand
[20:43] <Hansi> lol ... at least we all agree ;-)
[20:44] <luciash> SEWilco2: Tiki has it since it's beginnings iirc ;)
[20:44] <luminoso> thank you
[20:46] <luciash> Sug4r`: learn HelloWorld as http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Hello+World
[20:46] <Sug4r`> OK, here we go!
[20:47] <SEWilco2> HelloWorld
[20:47] <luciash> >whatis helloworld
[20:47] <Sug4r`> 'helloworld' could be (#1) http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hello%20World, or (#2) http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Hello+World
[20:47] <Caarrie> hehe
[20:47] <luciash> LOL
[20:47] <SEWilco2> Sug4r is multilingual.
[20:47] <Sug4r`> NO.
[20:47] <luciash> *g*
[20:48] <Caarrie> >whatis luciash
[20:48] <Sug4r`> 'luciash' could be my Mastaaar !?!? :))
[20:48] <Caarrie> >whatis L0ggar
[20:48] <Sug4r`> Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:48] <SEWilco2> >whatis funny
[20:48] <Sug4r`> Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:48] <SEWilco2> >whatis factoid
[20:48] <Sug4r`> Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:49] <SEWilco2> >whatis that key
[20:49] <Sug4r`> Error: No factoid matches that key.
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[20:51] <luciash> >learn pm as private message - you can talk to me in and i will reply you in private if you issue command like /msg Sug4r how are you ? ;)
[20:51] <Sug4r`> OK, here we go!
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[21:01] <SEWilco2> Sug4r think
[21:01] <Sug4r`> People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
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[21:02] <Mookleeus> Hi all, when I add a new page to a structure it creates a new structure instead of adding it to its place in the structure
[21:03] <Mookleeus> any ideas
[21:03] <Mookleeus> ???
[21:03] <SEWilco2> Mookleeus: You are misunderstanding "Add new" as "add to structure" where it also means "add new page".
[21:04] <SEWilco2> Mookeeus: There is a way to add an existing page to a structure.. I can't remember.. is it further down on structure admin page?
[21:04] <SEWilco2> Or maybe structure edit page, rather than structure admin.
[21:07] <Mookleeus> but when I type out my configuration on the structure creation page it just creates a whole slew of new structures, I thought it was supposed to organize them for you
[21:14] <Hansi> okay ppl, I gotta go sleepy sleepy ... Cya, good night!
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[21:19] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17819 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Cleaning up and preventing XSS
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[21:26] <DawnLight> hello. i've clicked install and i'm waitinig a whole lot of time now. this is a very basic VPS. what should i do?
[21:26] <jonnyb> hi dawnlight - where's it got to? anywhere?
[21:27] <SEWilco2> DawnLight: Can you sing?  No, wait, we can't hear that.
[21:27] <DawnLight> the browser, you mean?
[21:27] <DawnLight> this is only irc but there's skype today and so on
[21:27] <jonnyb> can you look at the database? phpmyadmin or something? (and yes, browser)
[21:28] <DawnLight> i'll look to see if something was created but i don't know querying
[21:28] <DawnLight> the browser is just rotating the thingo
[21:28] <SEWilco2> I wonder if the PHP time limit might affect install.
[21:28] <DawnLight> i've set the limit to the reccomended
[21:28] <SEWilco2> Hmm.. but hitting the PHP time limit would at least give a message.
[21:28] <DawnLight> but this is a really basic vps. compares to a pentium 3
[21:28] <jonnyb> see if it's made any tables
[21:29] <SEWilco2> I think that installation is slowed by disk more than CPU.
[21:30] <DawnLight> there are 213 tables if i understand the interface
[21:30] <jonnyb> sounds right
[21:30] <jonnyb> it's probably doing all the permissions etc - i think singing might be best for a while...
[21:30] <SEWilco2> DawnLight: Can you see disk space?  With Linux shell interface that would be 'df -h'
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[21:31] <DawnLight> nothing's full
[21:31] <Guest18860> evening :)
[21:31] <SEWilco2> DawnLight: Disk usage probably not going to change now that all the tables have been created.
[21:31] <DawnLight> evening
[21:31] <SEWilco2> In some places it is evening.
[21:31] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17820 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Adding default directories
[21:31] <Guest18860> I'd like to get a short comment on how stable Tiki 3.0 beta is... I just recently found out, that I am still running 1.10b and guess I should upgrade, but I am unsure to waht version
[21:32] <DawnLight> so i'll just... hit the tiki-install.php again?
[21:32] <DawnLight> i've done that a few times during previous steps of the installation
[21:32] <SEWilco2> DawnLight: Give it five more minutes first.
[21:32] <DawnLight> it's been at least 30
[21:33] <Guest18860> we are mainly using the wiki and forum features
[21:33] <SEWilco2> Dawnlight: Hmm.  I wonder how many copies of the installer are now running.
[21:33] <DawnLight> i've since rebooted the server so one right now
[21:33] <SEWilco2> Are we running 3.0 on *.tikiwiki.org?  That might give Guest18860 an idea of behavior/stability.
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[21:34] <mat-in> excuse the nickname...
[21:35] <mat-in> stats on tikiwiki.org says: release 2.3
[21:38] <jonnyb> Guest18860: 2.3 is the release version of 1.10, so do that first (i would say) - 3.0 has a lot of other changes (styles etc)
[21:40] <mat-in> So i do a backup (as usual), then follow 1.10 / 2.0 upgrade instructions, do a backup again and give 3.0 a try?
[21:40] <jonnyb> dawnlight: probably time for another reboot soon? i've not had that (just stopping) problem on my 256MB vps, but it's slightly above pentium 3 spec (so they tell me)
[21:41] <DawnLight> why reboot?
[21:42] <jonnyb> what else is there? (try killing tasks? (bad) - restart apache? might be kinder...)
[21:43] <jonnyb> mat-in: sounds good - can you really restore your backups?? ;)
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[21:47] <mat-in> uh... I can delete the webspace and the database and re-upload all files / the database.
[21:48] <mat-in> doing a full backup right now, not just the file gallery and the database
[21:49] <jonnyb> i've had trouble in the past restoring tiki databases - hopefully just me (text encoding issues i think) - good luck!
[21:50] <mat-in> I had to restore a database once, because my webhost got hacked... worked o.k. just lost the special local characters in the process
[21:51] <mat-in> where can I find, which username tiki uses to connect to the DB?
[21:51] <jonnyb> sounds fun
[21:51] <jonnyb> in db/local.php
[21:51] <DawnLight> i pressed Esc and it tells me "Installation complete"
[21:52] <jonnyb> :))
[21:53] <mat-in> uh... oh... there is more then just the username, it contains the plaintext password too!
[21:59] <mat-in> dump... dump... dump DB! *sings to make it work faster*
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[22:02] <SEWilco2> DawnLight: Well, mat-in thinks you should have sung.
[22:02] <SEWilco2> mat-in: The password has to be in that file because that is where TW looks for it.
[22:03] <DawnLight> tikiwiki looks promising to me. i like the development model
[22:05] <marclaporte> DawnLight: : 6 years, 200+ committers, tens of thousands of installs....
[22:05] <DawnLight> but i think my vps is too slow for some reason...
[22:05] <marclaporte> Something must be right :-)
[22:05] <DawnLight> perhaps the ssl...
[22:07] <DawnLight> top doesn't even show the cpu load of processes
[22:08] <DawnLight> sounds like a job for tommorrow
[22:08] <DawnLight> good night
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[22:08] <mat-in> well.. the DB dump (23MB) and the full files backup (6000 files) is done... now uploading 2.3
[22:08] <mat-in> so... yes. singing does help
[22:17] <spoonypjk> hmm is googlemaps working in 3.0b1?
[22:19] <sylvieg> plugin? tracker field?
[22:23] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17821 10/branches/3.0/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] setFlipWithSign needs to know about showhide_headings ("section" where flipWithSign stores the cookie)
[22:26] <spoonypjk> syvlieg: was that asking me?. if so.. Ive just tried enabling the feature and configuring my api key etc. but it just comes up grey.
[22:26] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17822 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] jquery flip() handle display styles other than block (like inline) properly - no animation
[22:27] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17823 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_categories.php: [FIX] More robust CVS import
[22:39] <spoonypjk> hmm nah just cant get it to display anything but grey.
[22:39] <mat-in> argh! Uploaded the 2.3 files for upgrade, ran tiki-install.php according to upgrade guide (renamed local.php first). Error: Access denied for user 'xa299_1'@'localhost' (using password: YES) 
[22:39] <mat-in> I used exactly the username / DB name / password from the old local.php file, did not change the DB
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[22:41] <sylvieg> mat-in: are you sure you do not have a typo in local.php
[22:41] <mat-in> ahhh... working now. had to use 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost
[22:41] <sylvieg> mat-in: you nedd clear all the caches..
[22:42] <mat-in> i use the 1.9.x to 2.0 upgrade script for 1.10 to 2.3?
[22:43] <spoonypjk> Hmm actually when I click the powered by googlemaps (to goto google maps directly but iwth the link thats being used in the googlemaps feature).. that doesnt work either.
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[22:43] <spoonypjk> theres a problem with the link in the feature: "/maps?ll=89.19" for some reasong || is inserted in there.
[22:43] <spoonypjk> if I take out err not ||.. i think its ll ?
[22:44] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17824 10/trim/scripts/maintenance.html: [FIX] Nicer maintenance message in TRIM
[22:44] <spoonypjk> anyway if i take out ll manually it works. hmm 
[22:44] <mat-in> it looks different... but neath
[22:45] <mat-in> if i upgrade to 3.0b i will need to install new styles, too?
[22:48] <spoonypjk> where is the code for the gmap feature anyway??
[22:55] <sylvieg> mat_in you need all the step 1.9 to 2.0
[22:55] <sylvieg> and 2.0 to 2.3
[22:55] <sylvieg> not sure it will handle all
[22:56] <sylvieg> spoonypjk: the plugin or then tracker stuff or ..
[23:07] <spoonypjk> sylvieg: I'm trying to figure out whats generating the actual link to google. Its the same everywhere I look, the usermap or even in the setup of the googlemaps feature..
[23:07] <spoonypjk> the link appears to be adding in "/maps?ll=89.19"  I assume the ll= means latitude and longitude.. but if I manually copy/paste the link in another browser and remove the ll so its just /maps?=89.19... it seems to work.
[23:07] <spoonypjk> dont know if im explaining myself right.
[23:07] <spoonypjk> i guess its the plugin?
[23:09] <sylvieg> can be templates/tracker_item_field_googlemap_value.tpl or templates/tiki-gmap_locator.tpl or templates/tiki-gmap_usermap.tpl
[23:09] <sylvieg> tw has a couple of places it uses it.. so\
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[23:09] <spoonypjk> hmm cant find anywhere in the templates or the code for the locator or usermap anywhere where its generating that "ll".
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17825 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin_modules.tpl: [FIX] RSS picker was not appearing in module builder.
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17826 10/branches/3.0/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: [ENH] Change category picker layout, now nested and grouped according to parentage. (& removed extra show/hide button)
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: TODO:
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Fix: default to all nodes open
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Check no-javascript functionality (should be ok if above worked)
[23:10] <spoonypjk> i might have to not use googlemaps and wait till it gets fixed.
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Remove or tidy the [+-] flippers (folder icons?)
[23:10] <CIA-24> tikiwiki: Fix: ClueTips not working for description
[23:12] <jonnyb> marclaporte: you and LPH still finding edit plugin helpers not working?
[23:13] <marclaporte> LPH is gone
[23:13] <marclaporte> I will try again
[23:14] <jonnyb> he mailed that it was broken 3 weeks ago (by me :( ) - odd, cos mine are working fine
[23:14] <mat-in> tiki 2.3 is running smooth, it seems. File galleries, wikipages, forum working. Had some SQL errors during the upgrade, but seems it has not broken something important
[23:15] <jonnyb> woo mat-in!
[23:16] <mat-in> should i do another full backup before going 3.0? or should i wait those week until the final release of 3.0?
[23:17] <mat-in> things like the ajax auto-save seem great for users that tend to close their browser before posting what they have written ;)
[23:17] <jonnyb> i can't get it to work, sadly
[23:18] <jonnyb> it's very experimental at the moment, i'm afraid
[23:19] <mat-in> ah... thanks for the hint... guess I will give it some more time to be done then. It's poison for a community when a website is annoying people...
[23:19] <marclaporte> jonnyb: : I confirm plugin edit thing doesn't work for me on latest branches/3.0
[23:20] <marclaporte> jonnyb:  I have no idea which commit broke it
[23:20] <marclaporte> jonnyb: : which revision?
[23:21] <jonnyb> 1 mo
[23:21] <jonnyb> 17475 LPH reckons
[23:22] <sylvieg> yeh autosave kis not working for me too
[23:22] <mat-in> see you! got to go, play with the new features ;)
[23:22] <sylvieg> sept seems to have a lot more commit 
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[23:23] <jonnyb> marclaporte: it was a fix to make absolute urls work for images during parsing so they survive a switch to wysiwyg mode
[23:23] <sylvieg> I propose we postpone 3.0 - too many problem...
[23:25] <marclaporte> May 3rd is current target
[23:25] <jonnyb> +1 sylvieg, i'll be on the case tomorrow and wednesday then off for easter so would suggest another rain-check for beta2 on wed?
[23:26] <marclaporte> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Blockers -> what is missing?
[23:26] <jonnyb> (i.e. i can fix stuff for next two days, than not much)
[23:26] <jonnyb> *then
[23:26] <sylvieg> marclaporte: there are so many pbs report on 3.0 - so...
[23:27] * sylvieg wnats to fix this ajax stuff - with the module
[23:27] * jonnyb agrees
[23:27] <marclaporte> where are the reports?
[23:27] * sylvieg thinks because we were very permissive on 3.0 recently
[23:28] <sylvieg> i suppose we have to freeze 3.0 now - but really freeze - and see
[23:29] <sylvieg> we were too permissive
[23:29] <sylvieg> freeze is freeze
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[23:29] <sylvieg> we have to build the team that backports
[23:30] <sylvieg> for instance - today I fixed the topic that was lost when editing an article -- this should never occur in a beta release
[23:31] <jonnyb> the category picker was the last thing i was hoping for - hope it's ok... the rest is fixes
[23:31] <sylvieg> i will not give name - because today I mess up with actuionlog too - to please xavi because he is an helpful guy for tw
[23:32] <sylvieg> the category picker is bad - but the cookie jar is broken too
[23:32] <marclaporte> 100 steps forwards
[23:33] <sylvieg> I try to substitute the cokkie jar to the categ picker - and cookie jar is broken..
[23:33] <jonnyb> did i make them worse? i fixed a couple of show/hide things just now along with category picker revamp
[23:34] <marclaporte> category double click was bad
[23:34] <jonnyb> gone
[23:34] <sylvieg> jonnyb: I do not think it you .... 
[23:34] <sylvieg> can be me too
[23:35] * sylvieg wonders why spet7 disappears
[23:35] <marclaporte> I see less than 10 blockers on list
[23:35] <marclaporte> please add stuff to list and I will try to fix some
[23:36] <sylvieg> we can - too many new stuffs are committing to 3.p
[23:36] <sylvieg> s/p/0
[23:36] <sylvieg> we can not
[23:37] <marclaporte> what is important is the number of regressions
[23:37] <sylvieg> thx jonnyb - he fixed the version plugin regression
[23:37] <marclaporte> about 20% of messages in tiki-forums (in install section) is people that have trouble with Windows/IIS
[23:38] <marclaporte> If someone can answer Greg's question, we can solve permanently these issues
[23:38] <sylvieg> not me - the strasbourg team
[23:39] <marclaporte> ok
[23:39] <sylvieg> they introduce these level - I still do not know why
[23:39] <sylvieg> ced
[23:40] <sylvieg> I think it is because of https
[23:40] <marclaporte> ah maybe yes
[23:43] * sylvieg thinks that doing business in windown world on opensource can be prolific 
[23:43] <sylvieg> bbl
[23:46] <jonnyb> marclaporte: i'm trying to work out this edit plugin thing (but fading fast) - maybe i'm not testing the same thing?
[23:46] <marclaporte> jonnyb: : not sure 17475 is the culprit
[23:47] <jonnyb> if you compare ignoring whitespace there are only a few tiny changes - and all backend - sounds more like a JS problem if nothing's appearing
[23:49] <jonnyb> we're talking about the little blue icons on every page to the right of a plugin, right? a form should appear (and does for me)
[23:50] <marclaporte> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/tiki3_edit_plugin.png
[23:50] <marclaporte> it works for you on latest branches/3.0 ?
[23:51] <jonnyb> yup - always has (once i sorted out the hidden mootools dependancy)
[23:51] <marclaporte> how about on http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/ ?
[23:52] <marclaporte> profiles.tikiwiki.org edit plugin helper doesn't work for me. Code is branches/3.0 from today
[23:52] <jonnyb> do you get stuff like "popup_plugin_form("img", 1, "HomePage", {"src": etc" in the page source
[23:52] <jonnyb> checking...
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[23:54] <jonnyb> looks like profiles.tw.o has mootools on and jquery off
[23:55] <marclaporte> http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tiki-admin.php?page=features  mootools is on
[23:55] <marclaporte> but not jquery
[23:56] <jonnyb> "I do not have permission to use this feature" - i'll test locally
[23:56] * jonnyb really doesn't like mootools ;)