latlink: Are you able to install profiles from profiles page?
directory is broken in 3b3 with sefurl enabled
as a matter of fact, sefurl implementation is doomed
latlink: interesting
which versions of php and mysql?
I appreciate
You see, I saw that bug be4
I was running php5 (via .htaccess) and mysql 4
Them I upgraded server to php5 (no need for htaccess anymore(
and bug is not happening to me anymore
it happens anytime profiles have modules
mlaporte do you know who is in charge of sefurl? I sthere an associated project or something? Do you know how it is implemented in tiki? (I suspect smarty rewrites some URLs but I'm not quite sure)
voraistos:  yes, yes, yes
can you tell me? ;)
1-sylvieg, 2-yes, 3-Smarty
what is doomed?
the design is flawed
deeply flawed
it's because for example some things are rewritten to the root
also, no URLs should be rewritten to the tiki directory
tw.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage should rewrite to tw.org/tw/wiki/HomePage
tiki -> tw is done using Alias
the "feature" has to be written in the URL too
otherwise, I can't have a wiki page called "forums" and forums on my tiki, as the URL for both would be tiki.org/forums
do you understand what I mean?
sylvieg did you read what I wrote ?
back
We had several discussions about this topic
Once during lunch at a TikiFest in Montreal
There is no perfect solution
depends on use case
but maybe you have a better proposal :-)
my proposal is very similar to what the mediawiki guys do
everything cannot and shouldn't be sefURLed anyway
the "static" stuff should be. Things like wiki pages, forums, well, the actual content of a tiki site.
source, edit, admin and similar pages just shouldn't be visible to search engines
even banned in robots.txt
(and that's currently the case I think ;) )
there is also the problem of multilingual tikis
the way it currently works in tiki is not good for sefurl
what do you do with wiki page calleds forums vs list of forums? 
I would guess MediaWiki has simpler requirements
the thing is, mediawiki has ONE feature: wiki
yup
that's why for tikiwiki, the feature must appear in the url
and for multilingual tikis, the language should appear in the URL too
even currently, I think that the lack of a language=lang in the URL is a problem.
voraistos:  having feature in the url is no good for some of my projects
hmm, can you give examples ?
URLs and such?
It should preferably be possible for the dmin to select how the url are rewritten
http://tikiwiki.org/CGCOM -> sites like this
brochureware sites
they want shortest URLs
domain.com/About  domain.com/Contact
not domain.com/wiki/About  domain.com/wiki/Contact
they don't care about the wiki or Rewrite Rules potential conflicts
I suspect they don't have any other features ?
hardly
and if so, conflicts are rare
Also, I'm not a security expert, but I can smell that having the url rewritten to tiki's root is a very bad idea
could be conflict between tiki-contact.php and contact wiki page
yes
other conflicts are with directory names
can wiki page names have a "/" ?
yes, it can
what they could have though, is tiki installed in tiki.domain.com , serving content on www.domain.com
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/modules tries to access directory and I am blocked.  When in fact, I am trying to access http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=modules
who is "they"?
"they" are the people who want very short URLs
they have short URLS now
and it's simple
hmm yes but it doesn't work very well. And it becomes a problem when many tiki features are enabled
that is why I told you there is no perfect solution
depends on the use case
yes, but there should be a solution for all cases
I hope so
And I buy you a beer if you find
or juice, depending on your preference
buy me some "romanee conti" ;)
Tiki should propose something (most sensible default, common use case) , but have a lot of configuration options
hehe
I'll try to make some sort of plan regarding "how things should work", so It can work for people who wouldn't mind having subdirs in their URL, and those who do mind.
but there will always be limitations/extra requirements for short Urls on the root
voraistos: : did you see wiki pages?  Are you monitoring svn progress?
no.
Anything good I should be aware of ?
I don't monitor SVN as I don't know much about how to use it, and also I can't commit soo... ;)
why can't you commit?
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Rewrite+Rules&bl=y
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Search+engine+optimization
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Commit
I can't because I'm useless and would cause more trouble than goodness :D
why does the feature have to appear in the url?
to avoid collisions and one URl = 2 or more different pages
example.org/forums can either be the wikipage "forums" or the forum list.
that's a faulty assumption
having the feature in the url isn't the only way to avoid collisions
It is one safe way
There's the problem of wikipage names and real directories.
ok, so wiki pages need some sort of distinction
I wrote something about how I think it should work, you both will probably like the stuff I say around line 40
http://pastebin.com/f8332157
marclaporte mlaporte Lucymoz
I don't understand what the urls have to do with being search friendly
brb
I'm about to shut down and don't have a web browser up, but my guess is it's something like example.org/wiki/forums, example.org/forums, example.org/forums/General, example.org/forums/General/Where+the+beef+is/reply/1
Lucymoz: search engine frindly URLS are easily processed by search engines. Also the URL contains a good short description of what the page contains
Im not sure I agree that those are the best things to optimize for
obviously you don't want to obfuscate urls against search engines
voraistos: : should go in a wiki page
marclaporte, what do you mean ?
as in wikipages should allow the ":" character in their title ?
your proposal
instead of pastebin
related: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Character+substitutions
oh do what you want
put whatever you want wherever you want
all Public domain
me?
it's a wiki dude!
If you start a wik page, I may very well contribute to it
hi
last tikifest in montreal i saw jb doing a demo with the jquery stuff
we would like to do apresentation remotely on some ideas we already have on workspaces
what software can we use for this?
have you done this before in a tikifest? (sure ;-) )
today, I was playing with Dimdim
BigBlueButton is another possibility
Dimdim, sounds funny in spanish
thanks marc
i will have a look
what did jonny use for the last tikifest in montreal?
wow, just googling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software
http://vyew.com/site/ + skype = free and good solution
polom
>last --with luci
[01:00:10] <marclaporte> luciash & others: can we close this?  http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1212
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18051 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX] Ephemerides is a deleted feature. Remove some traces.
marclaporte: yes, i think it works already (except localhosts)
marclaporte: now when changed back to "Summary" it will not be used in email subject anymore and users have to click all the watched mails to check what the report is about again:-/
you can change to subject
but change everywhere
3 modules
okay
and in Your+Wish+Has+Been+Cast+Page
i know it's not ideal solution but it's our dogfood like it is now
would be better by field ID
marclaporte: found only one module which uses &name=Summary
maybe it's easy for Sylvie to fix
because she is amazing
yes, she is :)
might be easy for anyone else too
k. I'm no php coder.. quick question, what does this mean? $wikilib->some_function(value, value, value);
I don't understand the $ (indicating a var)
does this mean, return the value of the function in wikilib to the var of the same name?
freely translated it says "use included wikilib function some_function()"
the $wikilib is initiated somewhere earlier
so I need to add a $ for included libs? didn't know that :P
voraistos: it's simmilar as if you make call $this->some_function() indicating you're calling from inside the same class
voraistos: good example to study can be lib/webmail/tikimaillib.php
thanks :)
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18052 10/branches/3.0/get_strings.php: 
tikiwiki: [ENH] translations: get_strings.php can now be called as a script in command line, without authentication.
tikiwiki: Usage example:
tikiwiki:  php5 get_strings.php completion lang=fr
tikiwiki: + New param 'quiet' to reduce the verbosity (keeping only most important info), especially useful in command line
tikiwiki: Note: This enhencement has mainly been done to call get_strings.php directly from the release scripts, in order to release up-to-date files to simplify the work of translators.
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18053 10/branches/3.0/img/tiki/tikilogo.png: [MOD] match the tiki 3.0 logo
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18054 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/tikisetup.class.php: [FIX] tiki setup: this is all ugly hardcoded html but the opening tags could match their closing tags at least
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18055 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] thenews theme: give every div in #tiki-center some padding and little margin to images by default
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18056 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [ENH] #sitelocbar: nicer padding
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18057 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] thenews: align the top line of #footer nicely with bottom lines of columns
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18058 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: tiki installer: replaced "Profile" from "Install/Upgrade" strings to prevent confusion (we don't upgrade only profiles), some simpification changes of "TikiWiki" to "Tiki" where appropriate
hi everyone. I'm having a problem with my tikiwiki2.3 installation. I installed the wysiwyg plugin, and everything seems to work fine. But one user was editing a page in wysiwyg mode and it totally broke the page (a lot of javascript was posted on the bottom of the page)
i made a rollback. I can't reproduce the problem, maybe someone here knows to which action this is connected, so I can prevent it from happening again
the javascript is from "MultiPopup V2.09 Main Functions File Tooltip Replacement Script"
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18059 10/branches/3.0/templates/footer.tpl: extending the note that php tags in tpl require PHP Smarty secure mode off
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18060 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: better message than "No Internet Connection has been found" when the installer cannot connect to the profiles repository for some reason (e.g. xmlrpc missing)
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18061 10/branches/3.0/styles/transitions/2.0to3.0.css: .plugin-form-float must be above everything (set z-index to 1000)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18062 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]perm: module last_tracker_items and last_modif_tracker_items checks perms on tracker + kill duplicate code + new param sort_mode + new param fieldId
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18063 10/branches/3.0/tiki-sefurl.php: [FIX]sefurl: take away accent
*tah dah*
v2.3 issue: Wiki Page Preview does not display uploaded images that contain special characters such as commas or spaces, however images are displayed when page is saved.  Is this a known issue?
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18064 10/branches/3.0/db/ (5 files): [FIX] Avoir error message on install. Thanks Matthew.
darkbee: you might want to check the changelog for 2.4 and see if something like that was fixed?.. 
will do
I'm a little gun shy on updates at the moment.  Something that worked in 2.2 got broken in 2.3 and I spent hours trying to find the problem thinking it was something I'd done wrong.  :)  Sylvie fixed though, thankfully once I realized it was a bug.
TikiWiki still rocks though.  :)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18065 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_include.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX]include plugin: the max_times was preventing to load more than 5 times the
tikiwiki: same page but with start and end different..... now test on start and end too ->
tikiwiki: perhaps max_times must be ignored if start and end are specified
darkbee: understandable :). I'm in limbo at the moment trying to get a site up.. too close to the 3.0 release to want to use 2.x, but struggling with the 3.x bugs :)
If anyone else is awake.. i cant get thumbnails to work in 3.x (anywhere).. any pointers on where to start to troubleshoot?
spoonypjk:  2.x works pretty solidly for the most part.  Depends what you want to use it for.  I don't touch any of the experimental stuff like WYSIWYG.
darkbee: does uploading images into wiki pages etc work okay from within a wiki page (without having to go off elsewhere and upload then come back?). have u got gmaps to work properly in 2.x?
spoonypjk: Yes, you can upload ok, just doesn't preview if filename has certain characters.  gmaps?  Google Maps?  I have an issue with that too, some user are reporting when adding their location that it doesn't remember the longitude (or latitude, I can't remember which).  I've seen this myself once before but can't reproduce it.
darkbee: yeah thats the sort of thing I get constantly. and even if u manually enter it in it loses it.
spoonypjk : users have had success at entering it manually.  I don't know what the issue is, wondering if it's browser related, maybe conflicting firefox add-on.  Not being able to reproduce it kinda makes it hard to trace the problem.
darkbee: with mine I think I've tried it in ie7,ff(win) and ff linux
spoonypjk: problem with all of them?
yeah
did you check Dev Tiki, see if anyone submitted a bug report?
I have to confess I haven't yet.
i think there were gmap related bugs.. but cant remember if it lined up wiht this one specifically. I've talked about it in here a couple times though :) if that counts.
theres a bug report for one of the gmap issues (not working with the tracker in 3.x)
hah theres a bug report for 2.x "gmap plugin does not work".. that kindof covers it :)
maybe I'll go check that report out and add some comments of my own.
polom
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18066 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/ (mod-last_modif_tracker_items.tpl mod-last_tracker_items.tpl): [FIX] shorter URLs for 2 tracker modules, __like in since your last visit__ module
hi, in tikiwiki how do i get to the page that has all the users who have visited the site?  i can't seem to find it
nikhilodeon: this one: tiki-syslog.php?
Darkbee: this one is good, but there is one that is a little more general i think
how do directory batch upload works?
i mean: i should be allowed to select multiple files, right?
since a file choser dialog pops-up..
hi all
just svn co branches/3.0 on to new server "Custom Site header" does not work anyone else have the same problem
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18067 10/branches/3.0/ (lib/setup/js_detect.php templates/tiki.tpl): [MOD] Added new Smarty var $ie6 if IE6 browser detected and changed #col3 inline CSS style in tiki.tpl to suit
jonny can you fix tiki-admin.php?page=general "admin password" in Safari while your are at it
luminoso: Yes, select the files and click the button at the bottom.  You have to select the directory to put the stuff into.
luminoso: I think you have to have at least one "Public" directory so it will show up as a choice for the destination.
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18068 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-profiles.tpl: [FIX] Adding padding to make profiles installer nicer.
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18069 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_dbreport.php: [FIX] dos2unix
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18070 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/ (wikiplugin_dbreport.php wikiplugin_snarf.php): [FIX] Adding more security to two plugins.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18071 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [ENH] Cosmetic improvements to category picker - feedback welcome
tikiwiki: (Only in transitions CSS so far)
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18072 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_webservice.php: [FIX] link to doc
SEWilco2, is there any direct php page to login?
i want to hide right column since i am the only user
luminoso: /login or /tiki-login.php I think.
thank you
try it first
if i disable it there is a new login way
i only noticed it now
http://luminoso.ws/
on the top
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18073 10/branches/3.0/tiki-listpages.php: [FIX]perms: tiki_p_lock is more a tiki_p_edit_categorized than a tiki_p_view_categorized
Oh, goodie.  Can't find the dimensions of a filegal image because the image file has no extension.  Sigh.
should't be one "tiki_p_list_articles"?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18074 10/branches/3.0/tiki-sefurl.php: [FIX]sefurl: keep the space as + - ex: lang[]=en&lang[]=fr et space -> lang%255B%255D%253Den%2526lang%255B%255D%253Dfr+et+spaces
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18075 10/trunk/ (63 files in 25 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 18022 to 18074
sylvieg: : are you getting lots of conflicts yet?