<!-- Some styling for better description lists --><style type='text/css'>dt { font-weight: bold;float: left;display:inline;margin-right: 1em} dd { display:block; margin-left: 2em}</style> marclaporte: hi lindon! <br> how are you? lindon: hi marclaporte! <br> doing good, thank you <br> my login doesn't work anymore on the demo site you set up for me :( marclaporte: hehe <br> try admin/admin or admin/1234 <br> it's a test/throwaway site <br> I wonder how the weirdness happened though <br> all the weird characters lindon: yes that was bizarre ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC ("Leaving.") lindon: i remember my clicks <br> so i may (or may not!) retrace my steps marclaporte: You have seriously increased my motivation with doc.tikiwiki.org ***: tanjir has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: I think I have been working on it for like 20 hours during the last few days lindon: great to hear <br> one thing i was wondering <br> is the plan to replace admin home with magic admin? <br> i'm in the demo - thank you ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: magic is on hold <br> Now that Ricks99 has done amazing job on the admin panels, it reduces need for magic <br> I would still want to do so we can have quick search of admin setting. Have an ajax select box. You type in a few letter and it lets you change a setting quikcly. lindon: sounds good <br> mainly wondering from a documentation perspective <br> whether to maintain admin panel pages or transition to magic ***: AkaZn has joined #tikiwiki lindon: another question <br> what does "List of Url Parameters that should go in the path" do on the SEFURL admin page? marclaporte: whether to maintain admin panel pages or transition to magic -> good question. I think for now, we can focus on making each individual page/task/etc as good as possible. And then, once we are happy with that, perhaps a pattern will emerge <br> Some people want to read the doc end to end to see what Tiki can do <br> In other cases, they have an option somewhere in Tiki and they just clicked a link to find out more <br> admin panels change quite a bit <br> si it's tricky to maintain doc about them <br> List of Url Parameters that should go in the path: I don't know sylvie or slj will know lindon: agree documentation on admin panels takes a lot of work to keep up to date <br> but it's also key documentation that users need help on <br> if magic is on hold, i'll concentrate on admin home panel documentation marclaporte: admin panels will move a bit more before 3.0 final <br> so you may want to wait until May 4th :-) <br> esp for screenshots lindon: good to know - will do marclaporte: so apart being blocked to delete 40 pages or so, do you need anything else to continue doing a great contribution? lindon: wish I could edit content templates <br> would eventually want to admin structures, but could also pose suggestions here instead marclaporte: ok, I added the perms to your group <br> structures, you already had lindon: you're right, i hadn't checked that in a while - thanks! <br> wanted to admin menus too <br> just to add to author resources for appropriate group luminoso: humm <br> when uploading an flv file the upload never ends <br> any idea about this? lindon: <u>marclaporte</u>: also categories and dynamic content <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: just noticing that i now have a developer menu marclaporte: yup lindon: may not need to mess with menus then <br> thanks! marclaporte: dev menu was not showing for your group lindon: got it marclaporte: 3.0 now has a perm to admin menu <br> before, only admins could <br> <u>lindon</u>: : I just added a whole bunch of admin perms (file gallry, menu, etc) lindon: thanks man! <br> hopefully <br> one day we'll get this <br> to where you don't have to worry about the docs <br> and you can focus on the developer vision thing you do so well marclaporte: thank you! <br> uploading an flv file the upload never ends : on doc.tw.o or elsewhere? <br> you can deal with tags too lindon: how do you mean? marclaporte: about tags? <br> you now perms to delete tags if you see any <br> I cleanup quite a few earlier ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping lindon: okay i see that now <br> what kind of freetags are you getting rid of? marclaporte: just obvious errors <br> bots attemping to log in lindon: got it marclaporte: do you use full screen mode? lindon: rarely marclaporte: ok <br> So, once the cleanup is "done" (at this rate, it should be very soon) <br> After, we should have a discussion about process <br> This seems inefficient: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation+Status+Tracker lindon: agree with that <br> good idea to discuss process marclaporte: this would include translators <br> I think we can have less structures <br> One general multilingual structure which has everything in English, and overrides with your language if page is available lindon: that does sound better for languages marclaporte: we could mini-structures with most important docs <br> 5-10 pages <br> small enough that it's resonable to maintain <br> ... <br> lots of cleanup here: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/WantedPages lindon: wow hadn't seen that one yet <br> the language ones probably go away if you get rid of the documantation status page for each one <br> was also thinking about plugins and modules <br> wondered if these could be documented via a tracker <br> instead of a page for each one <br> easier to maintain <br> might not be sufficient though marclaporte: documantation status page per lang : +1 to empy pages (or delete) <br> plugins & modules: we could also have something that links with tiki source code. lindon: that's good <br> to encourage development <br> wanted pages: need to get away from documenting the world i think <br> too many general concepts, general definitions etc. wanted IMHO <br> too wikipedia ***: sm- has joined #tikiwiki sm-: is there a module for an svn browser? <br> like the code activity on your main site? ***: pkdille has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) <br> mlaporte has joined #tikiwiki <br> marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) mlaporte: sm-: can you elaborate? sm-: on the main site <br> on the left hand side.. the section.. "Code Activity" <br> with the svn browser <br> i am looking for exactly that mlaporte: ah <br> supplied by CIA.vc sm-: is it avaliable? mlaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish1995 -> It's on wishlist sm-: ;-( mlaporte: <u>related</u>: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Software_Project sm-: i hope the 1995 isnt the year that wish list was made :-) mlaporte: hahahaha <br> <u>lindon</u>: yes, too much documenting the World <br> I think doc.tikiwiki.org needs to be more focused <br> and bug reports & RFEs, and info for developers go to dev.tikiwiki.org <br> while community aspects and anything that doesn't fit elsewhere goes to tikiwiki.org sm-: ok what im wondering.. is how you joined after i asked me question and asked me to elaborate? ;-) mlaporte: irc.tikiwiki.org logs sm-: me i mean my and oh.. didnt know that was there <br> any kind of an eta on the svn browser? mlaporte: sm-: I think Tiki is very close to being excellent platform for Software Project sm-: well thats why im trying it out.. i read a forum .. somebody posted there experience with tiki with there software project and he was very happy with it mlaporte: :-) <br> Here is something in the future to complete: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Code+Review sm-: just .. its my first day with it so im having problems.. ill figure it all out im sure :-) mlaporte: hehe sm-: could you tell me.. what is this "tracker" module? <br> ohh i like that <br> ok.. how would i set it up so that certain things are in the menu? <br> like.. certain wiki articles? <br> for example.. "Features" i'd like it to be a wiki article but also be in the menu mlaporte: trackers are way to build a database, create forms & reports <br> So you can have a bug tracker, issue tracker, etc. sm-: i found the menu setup yay! <br> im going to bed! mlaporte: later! ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) lindon: <u>mlaporte</u>: i blew up the demo again :( <br> clicked all 4 SEFURL options on the admin page <br> and then tried to go to articles home on the main menu <br> got all the characters again mlaporte: hehe <br> fyi, I started: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Content+Creation+and+Management+Tools&diff_style=htmldiff&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=14&tra_lang=ar <br> trying to reduce the number of wanted links lindon: ok, i'll start working on that too <br> clicking on a letter at the top of listpages page on the doc site <br> only brings up pages starting with that letter in lower case only mlaporte: ah <br> not good ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki lindon: off to bed - good night! ***: lindon has quit IRC ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]") marclaporte: later! ***: AkaZn has quit IRC ("-=SysReset 2.55=-") <br> shawn-ffbh has quit IRC ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]") <br> rlopez_ has joined #tikiwiki <br> Beestje has joined #tikiwiki <br> tomb has left "Ex-Chat" <br> Lucymoz has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> tanjir has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki <br> nevali has joined #tikiwiki <br> mlaporte has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <br> nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") luciash: polom marclaporte: polom luciash: hi marc :) marclaporte: how are you? CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18097 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (darkroom.css feb12.css strasa.css thenews.css): [FIX] Removed excess white space caused by switching article title from div to h2. luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: great, and ya ? :) marclaporte: pretty good <br> lots of great progress on doc.tikiwiki.org <br> thanks to Lindon -: luciash starting open.ground business ;) luciash: yup, noticed, kewl :) <br> seems lots of ppl to come to tikifest london <br> it's mini-tikifest nomore <br> in number of participants ;) ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki luciash: wb gary :) chibaguy: thanks luciash <br> I have a plan, I would like your opinion. luciash: sure chibaguy: I was wondering what to do with tikinewt -- keep or move or kil.... <br> But thought how about using it as test theme for importing layout.css? <br> low-risk way to introduce layout.css in branch 3, I think. <br> The other themes wouldn't be touched. <br> This way layout.css will be in the release, and I can have the (newer) mods.tw.o themes use it. <br> And I think it'll make things easier for other people with custom themes. luciash: i personally don't mind afa it doesn't break anything marclaporte: yay for tikifest london! chibaguy: I have a modified tikinewt.css which has its layout-type css removed. marclaporte: It's my turn to watch from home ;-) luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: heheh chibaguy: It can replace the current branch 3 tikinewt. Plus I'll add styles/layout/layout.css. <br> I guess that's the best path for it. -: caralluna is having second thoughts ... chibaguy: Actually I have modified the other branch 3 theme stylesheets too, but don't want to risk introducing problems, so will wait to change them. <br> Yeah, marclaporte, I hope they'll put on a good show for us. luciash: first i thought it will be better to remove tikinewt from 3.0 to reduce work we need to keep fixing the themes included still... -: marclaporte thinks chibaguy was the best cameraman in the history of TikiFests chibaguy: Heh, thanks. It was fun. -: marclaporte thinks tikinewt doesn't look so good. marclaporte: But tikinewt with theme options and different colors, could be ok chibaguy: No, I don't think so either. But it can serve as a test for layout.css use. marclaporte: but we have little time luciash: on the other hand can you do it in trunk and include layout.css only to 3.0 ? <br> to have it ready there for your 3.0 mods themes ? chibaguy: That's true. luciash: with a note it's there for mods themes maybe <br> (when people wonder it's not used by any file) chibaguy: Doing the branch 3 stylesheet 'conversions' for layout.css gave me some clues about what should be in layout.css and what left in the theme css... <br> Actually layout.css also contains some default colors for things like wiki diff classes; nobody touches them much. luciash: yeah, it's good idea to separate padding, margins and basic layout CSS stuff from look and feel stuff (font sizes, families, colors, graphics) chibaguy: padding and margins are tricky, cause they can be for both/either layout/design, etc. <br> But this can be fine-tuned after it's in svn... luciash: yep, for these content usability neccesity colorings it's ok i think, because they can be overriden in theme css later then chibaguy: right <br> My idea is that transitions/ files will be unneeded because that info can go directly in layout.css. <br> Also the (to me) confusing admin option of which transition file to use, etc. can be removed. <br> marclaporte, I agree tikinewt with theme options, etc. could be ok. I moved the ones jonnyb made for tikineat to tikinewt's directory in my local install, and they work nicely. ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: well, sometimes ppl want to opt-out the use of transition css because it breaks or affects their custom theme in some way they don't like... that's why the transition css is optional caralluna: <u>chibaguy</u>: Transition files has always confused me too, still does luciash: so i wouldn't kill that preference completely in favor of having it all in layout.css by default where only overriding it would be option to fix <br> but maybe better way how to do it can be implemented <br> maybe if layout.css would be optional would be sufficient chibaguy: well, since layout.css is imported by theme stylesheets, these people would have the choice not to put the import line in their css file. luciash: what about having transition css classes and ids listed on tiki-edit_css.php somewhat with a question to add them to user edited custom css ? <br> ah, right, i thought layout.css will be included in template on top <br> but if you do it using @import then fine, it will not affect older themes chibaguy: that's true <br> about opting out of transitions stylesheets, that seems rather strange to me because a lot of 'necessary' classes, etc. get put in there... luciash: but still i believe the original purpose of transitions css was to serve ppl who upgrade the new *non-layout* specific classes easily without forcing them to manually edit css files <br> so the transition between versions will be easier for them chibaguy: that makes sense but then there is quite a risk of missing some classes if the person chooses not to use transitions/. luciash: imho it wasn't very well done though... the transition css should be optional by theme actually <br> yes, by default they're on, user can opt-out to not use the transition css if he/she prefers <br> (in case some oddities appear after upgrade) chibaguy: My feeling is that devs add things to transitions that they think are necessary, that they expect sites to use. ***: mycomputer has joined #tikiwiki luciash: still it serves as a nice list of what classes and ids appeared between versions, though it doesn't list classes which were removed/replaced chibaguy: yes, it is good for that, but some things get added to theme stylesheets, so it's just a partial list. luciash: actually, in an ideal world, they should go to transition css file too if they're important and not only one theme specific chibaguy: Hm, I thought they should go to all theme stylesheets if they're important. <br> If they're important, why would they be optional? luciash: well, let me give you an example <br> user creates custom theme where some part is really customized a lot (e.g. logo at fixed position on right bottom scrolling with page scrolling) <br> then (imagine) in next Tiki version there's specified the logo should be always left in some circumstances (ad banner, etc.) and someone puts it in transition or your layout css <br> accidentally the user uses same id or class for it but with lower priority weight (e.g. uses only #logo instead of #siteheader #logo which is in the new tiki version layout css) and sudenly his theme is borked in some way <br> so the user could prefer not to use the transition/layout <br> i know it's not the best example, but it's the spirit of preserve environment and make it optional... <br> maybe i'm just thinking too much around the corner ;) chibaguy: Sure, every new release brings that kind of problem, with css or tpls or whatever, especially for highly customized themes. But turning off transitions will solve one... <br> problem but then all the other css in transitions isn't used either, so not really a good solution imho. <br> I think the person who can make a highly customized theme can adjust to new releases by editing css, etc. <br> and doesn't need an admin gui. <br> ... with large on/off switch. <br> Actually I did most themes/adaptations assuming transitions was not used. Then had problems when some transitions styling conflicted with my theme stylesheet. <br> ....because there was 'design' stuff in transitions (border specified, etc.) <br> Hopefully that's a rare case. <br> Same problem with 'design' inline css, for example when I was doing Darkroom there were lots of cases of bad contrast because inline css assumed a light-colored background. <br> But that's improving, too. luciash: that's the point of having option to switch them off but well, if it will be done better with layout.css +1 for simplify it and having no need to use transitions css chibaguy: it's good to get your views. <br> I tend to get one idea in my head and forget about other perspectives. ;-) luciash: np, it's normal, everybody does :) ***: navster has quit IRC () marclaporte: 'night! <br> <u>all</u>: help needed! http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Blockers caralluna: help needed to fix them you mean? Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . caralluna: lol, Tikiwikibot is eager to h e l p :-P spoonypjk: tell tikiwikibot to change the topic :) caralluna: I can't ... I just know what a bot is ... I know nothing about how you can tell it to do anything :-P chibaguy: Also a lot of things further down the page (quasi-blockers, etc.) really should be fixed before the release. A lot of regressions from Tiki 2 there. caralluna: but yeah, it's a bit outdated now chibaguy: IMHO actually more important than having new features working 100%. caralluna: <u>chibaguy</u>: hope I could help, unfortunately I don't know any php chibaguy: I know the feeling. ;-) caralluna: ;-) luciash: úhelp voice <br> oops :-) ***: ChanServ sets mode: +o luciash <br> luciash changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! - Just ask, don't ask to ask !!! - Don't paste code/errors here, use http://pastebin.com - IRC-logging at http://irc.tikiwiki.org - Say "!help" to get info from TikiBot - Running Tiki 2.4 is very highly recommended and check out 3.0beta4 - Thanks and have fun! <br> ChanServ sets mode: -o luciash caralluna: <u>luciash</u>: good one :-) -: spoonypjk cheers luciash ***: Caarrie|sleeping has quit IRC ("brb") <br> Caarrie has joined #tikiwiki CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18098 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] typo in a french translation <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18099 10/branches/3.0/ (get_strings.php lib/setup/prefs.php): <br> tikiwiki: [MOD] get_strings: to add it to the release script, allow running <br> tikiwiki: get_strings.php on a checkout, without a tiki installation (no database). In <br> tikiwiki: this case, it uses default prefs from lib/setup/prefs.php which has also been <br> tikiwiki: changed to be called without tikilib if needed. <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18100 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [ENH] release: automatically update language.php files when running release.php ***: navster-mobile has joined #tikiwiki <br> navster-mobile has quit IRC (Client Quit) CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18101 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix commit message of the update of language.php files <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18102 10/branches/3.0/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 3.0beta4 <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18103 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta4 <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18104 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: missing tr for a string ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki <br> navster has joined #tikiwiki CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18105 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: french translations for last updates of the installer <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18106 10/branches/3.0/ (changelog.txt copyright.txt): [REL] Preparing 3.0beta4 release <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18107 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [REL] Update language.php files for 3.0beta4 <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18108 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta4 <br> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18109 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: remove temporary files and backup files of get_strings.php to avoid them in the secdb step ***: navster has quit IRC () <br> nevali has joined #tikiwiki <br> navster-mobile has joined #tikiwiki <br> navster-mobile has quit IRC (Client Quit) CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18110 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta4 ***: ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki <br> ricks99 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) <br> nevali has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> nevali has joined #tikiwiki <br> SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki sm-: i need an svn browser! <br> ;-) SEWilco2: I am available to browse svn for an immodest fee. :-) caralluna: lol ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) sm-: .. <br> not exactly what im lookin for <br> i mean like the module on the main site there.. the one titled "code activity" sylvieg: sm-: does this http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/ help? ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki <br> RobertS has joined #tikiwiki RobertS: ahoi ***: RobertS is now known as Guest43730 caralluna: Ahoi Guest43730: ah:) hi caralluna caralluna: hiya :-) Guest43730: dunno why i get Guest-status after typed immediatly caralluna: yeah, I noticed that yesterday too Guest43730: may i bother u with a new question :)?- you helped me yesterday pretty good caralluna: If you are incredibly lucky it's something I know something about ;-) Fire away ;-) Guest43730: its about images - they are to get into wiki-sites pretty complicated cause i have to type in the whole adress that i can see in the galary <br> it would be alot of easier to hav a choice to get images into my "posts" directly from my PC to the post <br> you got my problem? caralluna: well, there is a thing I don't know much about <br> but yeah, I know what you mean Guest43730: well np at all it works - i was looking for easier ways :P caralluna: I don't know of any, sorry Guest43730: have you installed your 3.0 already and does it work? caralluna: yeah and yeah :-) <br> www.hansrune.com is my main "production" site, works very well :-) Guest43730: great - do you know if i can stay with my personal changes and ma data when i want to update on a stable version3.0 later? <br> ah i'll have a look - mine is: www.sonnenmeister.eu caralluna: I don't have much experience about that, but the few times I tried it was between 3.0 betas - and that worked flawlessly Guest43730: ok - i just had a short look on your page - very nice - themes for vistors - pretty handsome caralluna: thanks :-) <br> it's not a very difficult thing to enable Guest43730: what is the aim of yours if there is one - do u think to built up something real? sm-: sylvieg not that i can see.. <br> im talking about a module for tikiwiki that acts as an svn browser Guest43730: gimme a min cara ill try a relog ***: Guest43730 has left <br> RobertS has joined #tikiwiki RobertS: re <br> re <br> trying to not get guest status :P caralluna: RobertS, just my personal homepage ... I'm into computers, gadgets, photos and cars ... so I guess that will be what it'll be about ***: RobertS is now known as Guest61398 caralluna: hmmm weird ... Guest61398: lol and guest again - what can this be - cookies or soemthing like this? <br> ic caralluna: no idea, sorry ***: Amorphous has left "part" Guest61398: u said your site is on a providers VPS - so u got no speed problems i guess <br> could u test out my site - to see if its slow for you ? caralluna: well not that one ... that is @ my house on an ADSL Guest61398: :)) ok <br> ic - i just opened a lot of things under the hood - it was very slow - but worked caralluna: www.rettvest.org is my test site, that is on a VPS ... try tw.rettvest.org, tw2.rettvest.org, tw3.rettvest.org, tw4.rettvest.org <br> but the only access I have to that site from a clients perspective is through ssh - so it's not the best way to test speed <br> guess I could set up some kind of remote desktop-thing or a proxy, but I don't have the knowledge Guest61398: i was on tw4 - this was faster maybe a little - id say - its hard to say caralluna: tw4 is running 4.0 of TW, so that's very early code <br> been having a lot of trouble inserting stuff into that database Guest61398: do u know where i can rename the database for my wiki - so i could take a backup first - make a new database - and restore my data on this new one? <br> to give my tiki the database's name was only at the install-proccess at beginning a possibility - where i can change my database-name in my tiki-wiki - any idea? ***: ChadDa3mon has joined #tikiwiki caralluna: hmm ... you'd have to rename it in TW through the installer I guess - and then the real database as well Guest61398: how to run the installer when its already runnning? caralluna: put tiki-installer.php on the end of the adress ... or was it tiki-install.php <br> then you'll have to remove a lock file, it will tell you which Guest61398: ah i got it - thx caralluna: :-) marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: a new feature to automatically update Tikis from source was added to TRIM caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: for several tikis you mean? Guest61398: brb marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: : yes, several, and they update on a cron job caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: Thanks, but I prefer to do that manually ... I don't have *that* many ;-) <br> ... I think anyways ;-) ...but I'll check it out :-) ***: nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") marclaporte: :-) caralluna: I read about TRIM a while back ... concluded I didn't wanna use it ... but things are changing :-) marclaporte: it's getting better all the time caralluna: yeah, one of the things I love about it :-P ***: Caarrie|away has joined #tikiwiki <br> Caarrie has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) <br> Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie SEWilco2: What you need next to your TW workstation: Tiki head tissue box cover. http://www.amazon.com/Tiki-Head-Tissue-Box-Cover/dp/B0007U8MSA <br> Yeah, so it's a Moai, not a Tiki. One shouldn't do that to a Tiki anyway. ***: chibaguy has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <br> chibaguy_ has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: "Frequently Bought Together -- Customers buy this item with Odd Jobs: Portraits of Unusual Occupations" <br> "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought ... <br> ...Grow Dammit Garden Stone... <br> ..." oh, I won't list the rest. Too sad. -: SEWilco2 offers a tissue <br> chibaguy_ hesitantly accepts.... <br> SEWilco2 stocks up with green tissues <br> chibaguy_ is relieved at least they aren't wet wipes.... ChadDa3mon: This feels like a stupid question, but where in the world can I enable plugins in 3.X? ***: caralluna has quit IRC ("TikiWiki FTW! ;-)") ChadDa3mon: guess it was a stupid question :/ ***: caralluna has joined #tikiwiki <br> nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: ChadDa3mon, tiki-admin.php?page=textarea ***: rpg has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: Not a stupid question; seems like I generally find what I'm looking for at Admin Textarea. ChadDa3mon: ....how did I miss this :( chibaguy_: (ok, in the general area of wiki-related prefs, etc.) ChadDa3mon: Text Area was the winner chibaguy_: yesss ChadDa3mon: I could swear I went through every tab of every option -: chibaguy_ just successfully ftp'ed up and installed tw 3.0beta4.... ChadDa3mon: did that just come out in the last hour? I tried the "check for updates" thing earlier and it said I was up to date marclaporte: yes, Beta4 is fresh chibaguy_: There was a message on the dev mailing list that tarballs are ready for testing. <br> Shoutbox is still broken. <br> ( http://mods.tikiwiki.org/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta4.tar.bz2 ) ***: snarlydwarf has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: (well, I guess the release of a beta raises my expectations, but of course the list of bugs still to be squashed hasn't magically disappeared.) ***: Guest61398 has quit IRC ("Tiki PJIRC Integrator") caralluna: My site has been saying it was running beta4 for some time now ...? <br> and I am running 3.0 svn ChadDa3mon: Is there a release notes somewhere on 4? chibaguy_: There's changelot.txt in the package. Is that what you mean? <br> er, changelog.txt <br> changelot is the description, not the name, I guess. ;-) caralluna: changelot should be the correct name ;-) chibaguy_: :-) ChadDa3mon: heh <br> yea, I'm downloading it now, I'll look at the file <br> was trying to find something online chibaguy_: http://zukakakina.com/tw3prebeta4/changelog.txt if you want to read now. ChadDa3mon: excellent, thanks ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) chibaguy_: g'night all ***: chibaguy_ has left <br> ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: woo hoo. rick is back :) -: marclaporte yay! marclaporte: <u>ricks99</u>: we need you! ricks99: gotta unpack first :) marclaporte: do you have a bit of time? -: marclaporte is unpacking Beta4 :-) ricks99: beta4. gee i'm a bit behind -- too busy unpacking suitcases <br> saw ur email wrt user prefs... thought they were on their own admin panel now marclaporte: maybe they are, I just didn't see them :-) ricks99: off to update from svn <br> branches still the source for 3.0? marclaporte: y ricks99: source of the tarball, i mean? <br> k marclaporte: yes ***: rlopez_ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) <br> sm-lapt0p has joined #tikiwiki <br> sm- has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) marclaporte: <u>ricks99</u>: : can you look at? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Installer <br> <u>ricks99</u>: alos, in svn, notice how I tweaked wiki help ricks99: still dont like the giant red ( ? ) <br> looks like SEARCH to me marclaporte: +1 to change big red icon <br> it was never meant to be final <br> but many temporary things can linger for a long time :-) ricks99: gettng close to 'final' tho.... <br> at least the admin pages look pretty :) marclaporte: yes they do <br> I moved a few more things around ricks99: some install blockers look easy to do marclaporte: yup <br> The edit help would use some WYSIWYCA (ex.: remove doc about cookie if cookies are off) caralluna: Are there any plans of revamping the menu creation / reorganization system? marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: making menus in profiles.tikiwiki.org can be quicker than via interface <br> I would like to see better navigation. <br> ex.: use structures as menu caralluna: uhm .. structures? marclaporte: strctures make a tree from wiki pages <br> #1 on list: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Menu#Open <br> <u>caralluna</u>: : what do you have in mind? caralluna: I just find that it could probably have been easier to create menu structure marclaporte: yeah, lots of clicking around... caralluna: f ex what about something like inputting it into a spreadsheet and then importing it ... ricks99: menus r great if the structure is static, otherwise dynamiclly created menus from wiki structures would b gr8 caralluna: wait, that is possible, right? <br> importing I mean marclaporte: I think so caralluna: Or maybe some kind of click'n'drag thing? marclaporte: that would be nice for structures as well caralluna: on the other hand, the lack of click'n'drag stuff was one of the things that made TW interesting for me in the first place :-P luminoso: what is the best? storing images on database or in directory? caralluna: but that was in the end of 1.8, so I guess I've changed too :-D marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: why? caralluna: I've always been sort of minimalistic about webstuff ... but that has somewhat changed lately <br> now the features, especially the trackers and you guys are what got me back ;-) marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: so you are an "us" :-) caralluna: Yeah, it's gotta be extreme to get me away now ;-) ChadDa3mon: Did something happen with doc.tikiwiki.org? ricks99: @luminoso: depends.... marclaporte: amette is aware of doc. luminoso: ricks99, on what? <br> dos database compress jpegs? ricks99: @lsee docs for discussion of +/- of each caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: I wanted to join you the coming weekend ChadDa3mon: I'm trying to go to the download section, and after a long wait, it's prompting me to download tiki-index.php <br> something got boogered up marclaporte: excellent!! <br> but? ricks99: db = more db overhead (which impacts performance), but makes it much easier to backup the site and is more secure ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: a combination of money issue and a very good friend of mine battling cancer for a couple of years now planning a social gettogether that same weekend ... he goes above everything for me now marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: : I understand caralluna: too bad, seems like London is the closest place to me for a Tikifest for a while (I live in Norway) CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18111 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH]allow for manual installation - link to do page (at step 4), better explanation of htaccess file (step 6). luminoso: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/ is down? ChadDa3mon: yes, it appears that way <br> been trying to say that for a few minutes, not sure who else to let know ;) <br> seems to be working now :) ***: Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: : next time :-) ricks99: @luminoso: more discussion of db vs. directory: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Configuring+Image+Galleries&bl=y <shameless plug> luminoso: ty <br> awesome guide <br> after having image in databases, is possible to convert it to directory? ricks99: tx <br> y. i think there is an image moover CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18112 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-module.tpl: [FIX]removed empty div caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: Yeah, lets hope so ... looking at the schedule it's gotta be Strasbourg ... but probably not, I really prefer my travelling by car in Norway :-) marclaporte: <u>caralluna</u>: : do you code? ***: luminoso has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: I did in my "early years" ... spent waaaay too much time coding on my calculators in school ;-) Now it's a little bit HTML, barely above "Hello World" level and some simple Unix / Linux shell for my own use marclaporte: :-) caralluna: I've wanted to learn something, PHP or python or something ... but then I rediscovered TW ;-) marclaporte: TW is almost a language in itself Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie <br> AkaZn has joined #tikiwiki caralluna: <u>marclaporte</u>: Yeah it is :-) <br> Seems that the bot is pretty eager to help :-P <br> maybe it can fix some of the blocks for 3.0 release :-P ***: luminoso has joined #tikiwiki <br> rpg has quit IRC () <br> AkaZn has quit IRC ("-=SysReset 2.55=-") <br> GvPlankid has joined #tikiwiki <br> GvPlankid has left <br> AkaZn has joined #tikiwiki <br> ChadDa3mon has left <br> mycomputer has quit IRC ("Quitte") luminoso: tw b8 file upload for file galleries have a lot of problems.. Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . luminoso: errors, uploads that never finish, etc.. <br> wow b4 already out? <br> any tips to upgrade from b3 to b4? ***: AkaZn has left ricks99: grab the tarball and run the installer. select "upgrade" luminoso: on sourceforce the last one is b3 <br> any tip about file upload that never finish? ricks99: check your executution timeout (php.ini) luminoso: max_execution_ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD <br> max_execution_time ? <br> ok. increased from 30 to 600 ricks99: check max upload size, too ***: FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki luminoso: ricks99, 200M <br> are u a developer? <br> a file upload progress bar would be great! ricks99: on the wishlist (i think) luminoso: nice :-D SEWilco2: "File upload: YES. Step up to the bar during upload." ricks99: may also need to increase max input time. <br> pls see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#_PHP caralluna: <u>SEWilco2</u>: the progress bar? ;-) ricks99: with ajax on, don't u get a "loading" prompt? luminoso: i get an image only <br> animated ricks99: better than nothing (not much, tho) luminoso: wow not it says that the file is duplicated <br> but no file listed ricks99: clear cache? luminoso: wich one? tw or mine? ricks99: try clearning tiki cache <br> can u confirm if the file was actually uploaded (using db or file) luminoso: i'm sorry but how do i clean tw cache SEWilco2: <u>Luminoso</u>: In the Admin part of the menu is a menu option for tiki cache. ricks99: Admin > Tiki Cache (pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/System+Admin) luminoso: ok something is really wrong. after cleaning all caches and uploading a file that i never tried before it says that is duplicate <br> hum <br> maybe i should install b4 first <br> but on SF is only b3 ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away luminoso: humm ***: nevali has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: u can get latest from svn ***: sm has joined #tikiwiki <br> nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") sm: how would i put wiki articles on the front page? ***: sm is now known as Guest21768 <br> Guest21768 is now known as sm-- caralluna: sm--: you could sert wiki as your tiki start page if that is what you mean <br> sert=> set sm--: i mean.. well if you dont mind taking a look.. ricks99: @sm: 2 ways... sm--: although just know i installed tikiwiki last night so im still learning ;-) ricks99: either set ARTICLES as your home page, or sm--: www.worxpanel.net caralluna: sm--: sure! link? ricks99: use ARTICLES plugin on your wiki home page sm--: im trying to put that features wiki article on the front page under the main article <br> i managed to put a link to the wiki article in the menu but that was mainly for lack of being able to put the article on the front page like i wanted it CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18113 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-plugin_help.tpl: [ENH]Use icons instead of text ricks99: @sm: see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginArticles caralluna: Interesting project you have going sm-- ;-) sm--: thanks <br> now if i could figure out how to work tikiwiki i would be all set! ;-) <br> im usin tikiwiki cause i read somebody else say they used it for developing there project and they loved it so.. here i am ;-) caralluna: That's why we're all here you know! ;-) ricks99: @sm: try http://twbasics.keycontent.org <shameless plug> sm--: ;-) -: sm-- looks sm--: looks like what i was lookin for <br> is it by chance your traffic reports starts with kansas city? <br> ohh never mind i read that wrong <br> ignore me been a long day lol marclaporte: http://twbasics.keycontent.org is amazing! ricks99: ... if only i could get the VERSIONS plugin fixed..... sm--: marclaporte svn browser! ;-) marclaporte: hahahah ricks99: bbl marclaporte: sm-- do you want to code it? <br> 1- Find open source packages which read SVN <br> 2- Configure Tiki-Integrator to access ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: back - is beta4 out? or does it need some test? SEWilco2: Oh, good. getimagesize() works even if createimagefromstring() fails. Now to see if 3.*/4.* needs my improvement. marclaporte: SEWilco2 : & sylvieg I have plenty of ideas/bugs if you two have extra time <br> duplicate plugins Image vs Img, Files vs File -> we need to figure this out sylvieg: I am back on the module ajax bug - it will take me some time marclaporte: ok <br> is that a blocker for 3.0? <br> 4 plugins completely crash tiki sylvieg: for me yes - I am almost always obliged to uncheck ajax marclaporte: ok SEWilco2: <u>marclaporte</u>: You mean we have to only have 3 plugins? Gee, there are dozens. :-) <br> I just got IMAGE to get the file size so it can emit a border of the right size. <br> s/file size/image size/ <br> I'm not familiar with "Files vs File". There are plugins for files of any type? <br> Is Img really a plugin? It somehow works without the comma-separated list of parameters. marclaporte: file is more for wiki page attach <br> files for file gallery <br> but I want to be sure this is what we want sylvieg: .... yeh file is for wiki page - files is for fgal SEWilco2: PluginFile not found. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginFile <br> I haven't tried PluginFiles. I'm just using the filegal directory, but I can see why someone might want {FILES}. sylvieg: file comes for the wiki syntax - files was written by me (when the smarty {} was not plugin) <br> so perhpas me can merge - but it will be painful to change all the wiki page.... SEWilco2: (incidentally, we're about to try our filegal thumbnail in production tomorrow. Adds a thumbnail column which invokes plugins for the content.) sylvieg: for img it is the same I think - img from smarty syntax, img form a previously existing plugin - and SEWilco2's image SEWilco2: Of course IMAGE resembles img. I tried to make it upwardly compatible with img. <br> If img would work with the same syntax as IMAGE, we could give a choice of the img code for small sites or the full IMAGE capabilities. <br> I think I found that {IMG(src=http://example.com/a.jpg) /} does not work <br> If IMAGE could work with the IMG syntax (without () and commas) then one could configure between the two, so there would be only one used on a site. <br> But img has special handling someplace; I think in Smarty. It's been a while since I looked for it. -: SEWilco2 pokes marclaporte with a stick. SEWilco2: <u>sylvieg</u>: Think he's still awake? marclaporte: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+plugins+in+3.0 <br> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+modules+in+3.0&bl=y <br> just fyi ALL <br> lots of work to do <br> with plugins alias, image could = img SEWilco2: Isn't there a PLUGINS plugin? Don't see one. Some false hits in the right column, such as "Wiki Plugins" is not a plugin. <br> Does the plugin alias allow parameters without commas, like img can use? marclaporte: probably just a page about plugins <br> I think all plugins now can use without comma <br> plugin helper builds them without commas SEWilco2: Oh, I haven't created the page PluginIMAGE yet. Oops. marclaporte: but I don';t think we want two <br> Can your plugin supercede IMG? <br> if so, let's do it <br> if not, let's push to 3.1 SEWilco2: Probably. I tried to make it upwardly compatible. Might be differences such as in the exact align=/imalign= behavior. marclaporte: that is not very reassuring SEWilco2: I need to update 3 with the latest version, which is more IE6 compatible. marclaporte: <u>SEWilco2</u>: thousands of people will upgrade to Tiki 3 <br> most use images <br> this is not something that we can just take chances SEWilco2: I think img uses both CSS and HTML alignment, while IMAGE uses a single method. CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18114 10/branches/3.0/modules/mod-shoutbox.php: [FIX]to avoid double declaration sylvieg: fullscreen button is broken :-( SEWilco2: IMAGE maps align=left and imalign=left to the same thing. marclaporte: it's partially broken SEWilco2: I just got new glasses. A partially broken fullscreen might make me ill. <br> IMAGE uses CSS (the imalign technology) for left/right. Uses text-align:center for align=center (for IE6 compatibility and lack of center in CSS). marclaporte: <u>sylvieg</u>: : can files supercede file plugin? ***: tanjir has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: no without work SEWilco2: Maybe for 3.0 the plugin alias IMG->IMAGE should be tested and documented. People can test whether IMAGE looks good on their sites. marclaporte: <u>SEWilco2</u>: : I don't understand your proposal SEWilco2: So we don't have to force people with img to use IMAGE. We instead tell them how to configure to use IMAGE if they wish to use it. ***: franck has joined #tikiwiki CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18115 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki.tpl: [FIX]fullscreen: url like tiki-index.php?page=xxx must not haev the = escaped SEWilco2: <u>marklaporte</u>: Didn't you say the plugin alias feature allows invoking another plugin under a different name? <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: Can a site which uses img configure plugin alias to instead invoke IMAGE? <br> I've been busy on 2.* and haven't tested plugin alias myself... and need to make a little mod to support alias parameters. <br> I think I need to make IMAGE allow a parameter "mandatory=" to override internal values of "mandatory=". if(!empty(... <br> I need to take a one hour break soon. marclaporte: we can also push to 3.1 or 4.0 <br> or put as experimental <br> I don't know if alias can invoke existing plugin <br> but that would be a good feature. A bit like a turbo mode <br> switch between php4 and php5 ***: sm-- has quit IRC (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) <br> PrezKennedy has quit IRC (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) SEWilco2: I know that I suggested the plugin alias tool, for adding default parameters, so one can configure default behavior such as align=right. <br> But I haven't checked just how the alias tool behaves. Maybe tonight. ***: FrankP_german has quit IRC ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") caralluna: would somebody just write a message with my nick in it? Just doing a bit of testing here ... SEWilco2: <u>caralluna</u>: No, nobody will. caralluna: <u>SEWilco2</u>: Yeah, I was afraid of that ;-) <br> thanks :-) SEWilco2: <u>marclaporte</u>: Looking at PluginAlias (which isn't really a plugin): Yes, it has an existing plugin as a target ("base"). marclaporte: PluginAlias wiki page? ***: sm-- has joined #tikiwiki <br> PrezKennedy has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: <u>marclaporte</u>: But the doc PluginAlias doesn't say if an alias Name is checked before the list of plugins is checked. Whether real plugins have priority over alias names. <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: lib/tikilib.php plugin_get_list() uses array_merge($real,$alias). So if non-numeric keys are used for plugins, aliases override existing plugins. <br> Oops, that's only the list of plugins. <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: Yeah, real plugins have priority. plugin_execute() tries function_exists() before considering an alias. marclaporte: hmmm <br> would be better for alias to have priority, no>? SEWilco2: But that's not right either. I think that means one can't add default parameters to an existing plugin. So can't add "align=right" to img nor IMAGE. <br> Yes, if alias has priority then both overriding and default parameters are possible. <br> I don't understand the PluginAlias doc well enough yet to see whether parameters have priority. Oh, it didn't matter in current implementation. caralluna: Under Look&Feel -> General -> Top Bar -> Menu ID, is it possible to display two or more menus there? sylvieg: you can do custom code {menu id=...} SEWilco2: <u>marclaporte</u>: I suspect plugin alias offers a choice whether parameters override user input, so already has parameter-level priority options. <br> bbl marclaporte: later ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) marclaporte: <u>sylvieg</u>: : the inline edit plugin suggestion: how do I test that? sylvieg: ??? caralluna: <u>sylvieg</u>: Yeah, that sort of works, but doesn't do exactly what I want. If I do that they end up on two lines. I want several menus to display on the same line in the menu bar (i.e above Location) sylvieg: css adjustment? caralluna: would probably work, but I know nothing about css marclaporte: <u>sylvieg</u>: : you wrote on svn list: "And what about putting the icon inline after the plugin?" <br> I like that idea and would like to test sylvieg: ;-) I think it is a rollback <br> will do tomorrow - need to advance on this ajax problem <br> does somebody know why we complexify our life by using the xajax lib - I do not see any interest in using the layer... marclaporte: xajax, mootools, jquery, prototype... <br> too many! caralluna: way past bedtime for me ... good night! ***: caralluna is now known as caralluna|asleep -: sylvieg will propose to replace the xajax lib with jquery feature..... ***: snarlydwarf has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat") marclaporte: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/tikiwiki <br> 4 projects!!! -: marclaporte suggests to ask Jonny to do that while Sylvie can fix other bugs