#tikiwiki 2009-04-21,Tue

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marclaporte	http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/fun-tikiwiki-120	[00:19]
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mib_kk8isb	!help ello, uber noober here !help exclamatory help seems to return no tikibot suggestions	[03:15]
luciash	polom because the bot is not present	[03:19]
mib_kk8isb	ic, thank you	[03:19]
luciash	preview in translation mode doesn't work for me :(	[03:19]
mib_kk8isb	ok simple words for language translation? I am now receiving translation to english and thank you	[03:20]
luciash	i mean there's this translate feature in dropdown when using multilingual but then when editing the new page with partial translation hitting preview shows nothing n 3.0beta4	[03:22]
mib_kk8isb	i see, I have 2.2 and am a total newbie. am I to expect questions will be answered here?	[03:24]
luciash	if we know the answer, sure :)	[03:25]
mib_kk8isb	I would like to know if it is possible to turn off all ip address logging so that my users will be ensured privacy i have turned it off in the 'wiki' options - 'ip address shown in history' but it still shows in 'tiki logs'	[03:26]
luciash	yep, in 3.0 it's under Admin > Textarea i think ah, in tiki logs for admin it is always shown as admin is admin and can dig this info out anyway ;) it doesn't display in tiki-pagehistory.php for users with perms to see history of page changes	[03:28]
mib_kk8isb	'Allow to post comments as Anonymous' would not work for my purposes, i would like to have users register before editing but then be able to ensure them that I cannot see their ip only log by username would disabling the tiki logs work, and is that possible?	[03:30]
luciash	i wonder why would you like to do that ? what if one user comes spamming repeatedly with diferent nicks ?	[03:31]
mib_kk8isb	yes :) I plan to institute a ratings system wherin trusted members can rate edits and an objective standard of a certain negative rating will then result in ban for instance i see a user replace all instances of 'the' with a cuss word, 2 administrators rate that edit -100, and anyone with a -200 score is automatically banned	[03:32]
luciash	hmm, iirc it's not possible to switch tiki logs off except deleting the file itself but i really wonder if it's good idea	[03:34]
mib_kk8isb	ok, open to your expert opinion! i will be starting off with highly trusted members	[03:34]
luciash	if you want to disable tiki logs, just delete the file tiki-syslog.php but admin usually can see IP addresses from server logs and referrals anyway so i don't think your users will trust the fact if you tell them "i cannot see your IP addresses anymore" ;)	[03:35]
mib_kk8isb	i see	[03:37]
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mib_kk8isb	thank you. would you mind commenting to this effect on question 5 here: http://www.libertycollaborative.com/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1 ? I would be forever indebted :) or comment here, and allow me to translate there -- although I believe you have answered my questions, it would help to see it in the context of my project	[03:38]
SEWilco2	mib_kk8isb: Just look up web server logs, such as Apache or IIS logs. Users can't tell whether your HTTP server is logging activity. Trust simply requires trust.	[03:43]
mib_kk8isb	Thanks, Wilco... Am I to be concerned about using the 'mods' function and giving a mod access to write to the apache files?	[03:47]
	also, i see above 'We would like to remind you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the network is prohibited.' -- am I free to copy and paste this conversation or does that just refer to does this refer to some form of script logging? *-dies tgus refer	[03:52]
luciash	it's better to close the perms after you install a mod	[03:53]
mib_kk8isb	ka *i am having trouble typing lol :D close perms check	[03:53]
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luciash	it means script logging generally but it's always better to ask the users involved in the conversation if they're ok with that	[03:55]
mib_kk8isb	thank you. I will ask when we are done in case others chime in.	[03:57]
luciash	imho http://www.libertycollaborative.com/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q8 is well written and accurate	[03:58]
mib_kk8isb	thank you, and #q8 is as well :)	[03:59]
luciash	c u later, gotta distracted by some work here	[04:00]
mib_kk8isb	whoops didn't expect that to be a function here thank you so much luciash and Wilco do either of you mind if i share this with the users of my site? I would be glad to remove the screen names i suppose it will not be necessary, so not to worry - but again thank you if you all are still around, i really appreciate it.	[04:00]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18116 10/branches/3.0/lib/breadcrumblib.php: [FIX] breadcrumbs: titles on admin pages were using wrong encoding, which was generating weird characters in french for example	[07:51]
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voraistos	is doc.tw.o down ? marclaporte dev is down too	[08:20]
amette	yeah, I know... I messed up... working on it	[08:23]
voraistos	ok ;)	[08:25]
amette	ROFL - I know what the problem is.... :P :P	[08:27]
voraistos	it's best to mess things up yourself than have someone else do it for you, destroying your work and using your server as a spam bomber :P	[08:28]
amette	hehe ;) true :) ok, fixed...	[08:29]
voraistos	you might want to remove that gay porn from the image galleries too while you're at it ;D	[08:31]
amette	hehehe ;)	[08:32]
voraistos	so, what was the problem ?	[08:35]
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chibaguy	My frustration for today: The page-top search bar is positioned something like this: div#header-top {position: relative} div#sitesearchbar {position: absolute; right: 10px; bottom:3px}... ...in all the themes in Tiki 3.... ...IE7 puts div#sitesearchbar in radically different places in each theme. so the puzzle is what else is affecting IE7's behavior, or does IE7 just do things randomly? Also the module-flipping icons aren't working right, again, in IE7. Don't recall doing anything to cause that. Also the log-in form is misplaced again in Strasa in IE7. etc etc but hey no problem - it's only beta4, lot's of time to fix things things... these things /rant off	[10:42]
caralluna\|asleep	It seems to me that there has got to be something fundamentally wrong with IE, I've seen alot of webapps, most having special adaptations for IE7 ...very seldom for other browers ...and that irritates me!	[10:47]
chibaguy	yep, it continues the IE tradition, for sure.	[10:47]
caralluna\|asleep	caralluna\|asleep wishes that IE burns in som hot place ;-)	[10:47]
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caralluna	is that because m$ doesn't give a sh*t about established web standards?	[10:49]
chibaguy	It's hard for me to figure out. When IE7 was being worked on, their devs were writing blogs, etc. about being aware of standards and trying to do things logically in IE7.	[10:51]
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chibaguy	I don't know the details of how and why they screwed up, exactly.	[10:51]
caralluna	but they seem very good at it ;-) screwing up that is ;-)	[10:52]
spoonypjk	MS care an incredible amount about web standards They know them like the back of their hand.	[10:54]
chibaguy	I'm waiting for the punch line, spoonypjk ;-)	[10:54]
spoonypjk	That's why they break them at any chance they can.. so their monopoly can get people more reliant on itself like a drug.. The more people they get to implement workarounds for IE7.. the more people wont bother.. and theyll just "code it for IE7"	[10:55]
chibaguy	yep, there's something to that, all right.	[10:55]
spoonypjk	so it discourages people from using other OS's or browsers etc.	[10:55]
chibaguy	Things are getting interesting with IE8. It actually can render according to standards pretty well.	[10:56]
spoonypjk	Ordinary people (which makes up the majority of computer users these days).. couldnt care less about web standards.. they just want stuff to work.. and because most of them run it in IE.. they want it to work on IE.. and because thats where the biggest market is.. people code it just for IE. That's probably because MS are also trying to get their hooks into people with things like silverlight.. So they try to relax their bastardisation of web standards.. by hooking people into proprietary application platforms.. And application platforms is probably where most people will live eventually. And it goes beyond the internet.. their corporate web products are an abomination (ala MOSS / Sharepoint).. barely usable in anything other than IE At work I work with probably 60-70% MS.. wish it was a lot less :). dont even get me started on their business practices and patent raping :) people at work get sick of hearing me bitching about MS.. But someone has to do it..	[10:56]
caralluna	caralluna wishes a button in TW: "Enable IE workarounds" and that would be DISABLED on all my sites :-P keep at it spoonypjk ;-)	[11:02]
chibaguy	That raises an interesting question, caralluna -- what is the right response for IE, for our project. Sometimes you hear "just abandon support for IE..."	[11:03]
spoonypjk	heh. I will genuinely acknowledge when they produce a good quality product.. so I balance it out with criticism for everything else.	[11:03]
chibaguy	But I'm afraid that will only make us look bad : "look, they can't even support ie browsers properly" kind of thing.	[11:04]
spoonypjk	Personally I think you'd be crazy to not implement IE workarounds for TW.. a product like TW needs to be as accessible as possible.	[11:04]
caralluna	I've hated m$ for years, and I'll keep at it ;-)	[11:04]
chibaguy	I think we can hate ms, but still should support the users as much as possible.	[11:05]
spoonypjk	Something that would be nice is an ongoing count somewhere in the docs or during the installation process.. or a "module" that you can turn on (maybe under STATS module) that shows how many IE workarounds have been implemented.	[11:05]
chibaguy	heh, like McD's burgers sold....	[11:05]
caralluna	unfortunately I agree with you spoonypjk ... but I'd reverse that on my site if I could ;-)	[11:05]
spoonypjk	I agree chibaguy, most of the users that will be "using" TW (ie. not the admins/people setting it up) will probably need to use IE at some point.. or they already do and just dont know any better. caralluna: That's why I like the idea of stats showing how many workarounds are implemented.. to educate people. caralluna: And I agree with you.. some sites it's entirely appropriate to block off freedomhaters :) I wonder if FSF have had to implement any IE workarounds on their website	[11:05]
caralluna	lol	[11:07]
chibaguy	chibaguy sees 27 ie6 workarounds here in feb12.css alone...	[11:07]
caralluna	yikes	[11:08]
chibaguy	well ie6 is more broken that ie7, even. anyway, about my earlier puzzle, it seems ie7 needs a height specified for the parent div, in order for the child to be positioned relative to its bottom edge.	[11:10]
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andreid20	hello everyone I have a question regarding "Tiki and PEAR::Auth" what happens when a user doesn't exist in ldap shouldn't the authentication fallback to tiki	[11:13]
luciash	re-polom luciash feels with chibaguy	[11:15]
chibaguy	heh andreid20, sorry, no idea. Anyone else?	[11:16]
luciash	chibaguy: actually i wouldn't bother about IE7 much as i think it will get replaced by IE8 installs soon, bigger problem is IE6 :-p	[11:16]
chibaguy	Well, I'm only bothering as much as I have to, and no more. ;-)	[11:17]
luciash	for me IE7 bugs are even more annoying than those in IE6 for which at least workarounds exist ;)	[11:17]
caralluna	What about ppl using Windows NT? That's IE2? 3? :-D	[11:17]
chibaguy	I think we can safely ignore them. :-)	[11:18]
caralluna	lol	[11:18]
chibaguy	(I hope)	[11:18]
luciash	NT with default broser still uses anybody ? g	[11:18]
caralluna	probably :-)	[11:18]
chibaguy	I once did a set of tiki templates that used no css -- html tags did all the styling -- for a site of Amiga computer users. So retro support is possible. ;-)	[11:20]
luciash	great :)	[11:20]
chibaguy	not much fun at upgrade time, tho.	[11:21]
caralluna	I always listen to music ... and at home I listen to a station tha plays only C64-remixes ;-) ;-)	[11:21]
chibaguy	wow	[11:21]
caralluna	C64 and Amiga rules! ;-) www.slayradio.org :-)	[11:21]
luciash	chibaguy: must that height for ie7 be in pixels ? :-p	[11:23]
caralluna	chibaguy: I think I might have had that site open the other day ... can't remember the name though	[11:24]
chibaguy	I tried a small % but IE7 took it literally and squashed down div#site-header. but I didn't experiment much.	[11:24]
luciash	g luciash wonders how it behaves with 100%	[11:26]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18117 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_fancylist.php: notice	[11:27]
chibaguy	I mean, div#header-top...I just tried height: 1px and it works. :-)	[11:27]
luciash	sylvieg: oops, thanks	[11:27]
chibaguy	...expands to contain whatever is in it. and login form is positioned ok.	[11:27]
luciash	ah, great, so ie7 still ignores height :-p i wonder why they support min-height then	[11:28]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18118 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki.tpl: [FIX]fullscreen: url like tiki-index.php?page=xxx must not haev the = escaped	[11:30]
chibaguy	yes, min-height doesn't help in this situation; the child div slides down out of the parent.	[11:32]
luciash	ye, but i mean in FF height: 1px would squash it down and content would overflow	[11:33]
chibaguy	hm. height: 100% works in ie7, for the positioning. Here's another odd thing. Shouldn't *:first-child+html #siteloginbar {border: 1px solid yellow} display a yellow border in ie7? or does that hack not work in some situations?	[11:34]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18119 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]rollback 17760: now the edit button is in the text on the right of the plugin	[11:38]
chibaguy	chibaguy doesn't know why, but FF takes a _lot_ longer to get a page from zukakakina.com/tw3/ as opera or ie, even with firebug, etc. off.	[11:40]
luciash	FF2 or FF3 ?	[11:41]
chibaguy	FF 3.0.8 it's painful	[11:41]
luciash	try fasterfox addon	[11:42]
chibaguy	it's ok getting pages from localhost tho with header-top height: 1px, it's contents display ok in FF, but the login form goes off the right margin a little and causes a scrollbar.	[11:42]
	#header-top {height: 1px} #header > #header-top {height: 100%} makes it ok for all (but I didn't check ie6 lately).	[11:51]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18120 10/branches/3.0/get_strings.php: [FIX] get_strings: global tikilib was at the wrong place tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18121 10/branches/3.0/styles/darkroom.css: [MOD]darkroom: do not use a special visited font in menu + less contrast for categorizator	[11:54]
chibaguy	works in safari...	[11:55]
luciash	chibaguy: is #header > #header-top better or behaving differently than #header[id] workaround ? err, i mean #header-top[id]	[12:01]
chibaguy	is #header-top[id] being used already somewhere that I can check? (actually I don't really know how this functions)	[12:03]
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chibaguy	chibaguy googles attribute selectors	[12:07]
	is #header-top[id] a hack to give other browsers a property but not IE7?	[12:12]
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ChadDa3mon	Anyone know if there's a plan on allowing the FAQ or Forums to have nested categories?	[12:16]
chibaguy	Do you mean for the faqs or forums themselves to be nested?	[12:20]
ChadDa3mon	the categories inside of them the current FAQ we're using (which I'm trying to move away from) has nested categories it's nice for breaking stuff up and seems like a very simple change here, just add a 'parentid' field to the tiki_faqs table	[12:21]
chibaguy	Maybe for Tiki 4; you could submit a feature request.	[12:23]
ChadDa3mon	sure	[12:23]
chibaguy	...at dev.tikiwiki.org *:first-child+html isn't working as a way to give css just to ie7, in a couple of places I've tried today.	[12:23]
	which is weird because it worked before.	[12:32]
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ChadDa3mon	Whats the difference between the rating and priority when submitting a feature request? -2 - 2 ?	[12:42]
amette	yo, this appears all the time in apache error-logs: PHP Fatal error: require_once() [<a href='function.require'>function.require</a>]: Failed opening required 'XML/Server.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php') in /home/tiki/public_html/tiki-freetag3d_xmlrpc.php on line 9 ideas? I promise to svn up, if anyone fixes this one ;)	[12:51]
ChadDa3mon	Can anyone help with a customer Menu i've setup? I wanted some handy admin links to show up for my ADMIN (default admin) group and my semi-admin group I created. The module shows up for the semi-admin group, but the menu itself is empty for semi-admin the module itself is assigned to both groups, and all options/sections of the menu are assigned to both groups	[13:00]
caralluna	I think if the module is assigned to both groups one needs to be a member of both groups to see it? I may be mixing things up ...	[13:02]
luciash	chibaguy: ah, i think it's working hack only for IE < 7, i'm not sure but i think IE 7 already supports #something[] selectors	[13:03]
ChadDa3mon	thanks Caralluna, I'll test that out Yup, I'll just assign it all to the semi-admins and place my admin account in that group	[13:06]
caralluna	;-)	[13:10]
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chibaguy	the consternation continues: feb12 theme looks and works great (even suckerfish menus) in ie6.... in most themes, there's a lot of flickering in suckerfish menus in ie6.	[13:30]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18123 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release_copyright.php: [ENH] release copyright script: be able to use this script through an http proxy using the new '--tcpproxy' param.	[13:40]
chibaguy	hmm, no flickering in any theme's suckerfish menus now....	[13:44]
ChadDa3mon	score IE	[13:44]
chibaguy	in ie6	[13:44]
marclaporte	chibaguy: : title and subtitle: can you make sure they appear in bundled themes?	[13:51]
chibaguy	marclaporte, do you mean after they are input on the Look and Feel admin page?	[13:54]
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marclaporte	yes I think people should use this instead of logo It was bad enough to have Tiki is TikiWiki in the top bar...	[13:55]
chibaguy	Then "Site Title" and "site subtitle" should be default text for site title and site subtitle, I guess in the db or prefs at install time.	[13:58]
marclaporte	yes, exactly	[13:59]
chibaguy	Where are these initial values stored?	[13:59]
marclaporte	I will put that in all profiles	[13:59]
chibaguy	ok	[13:59]
marclaporte	they are stored as prefs	[13:59]
chibaguy	(Probably "Site subtitle" should have an uppercase first letter, too.)	[14:00]
marclaporte	chibaguy: : in Intranet profile, I removed logo but add a title and subtitle sadly, looks like title/subtitle depend on logo?	[14:12]
chibaguy	if no logo img source is input, the title/subtitle text still displays.	[14:18]
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marclaporte	ah	[14:22]
chibaguy	http://zukakakina.com/tw3/ now configured this way. site title needs some css help in feb12 and coelesce, I see.	[14:23]
caralluna	Is it possible to (easily) change smiley set? The animating of the defailt ones are driving me crazy :-P	[14:26]
chibaguy	It used to be as easy as replacing images and editing a smileys template file, but I'm not sure what the way to do it now is.	[14:28]
caralluna	they are (animated) gifs, right?	[14:29]
chibaguy	yes	[14:32]
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spoonypjk	dont get rid of logo :)	[14:48]
chibaguy	I don't know whether it's the browser (version updates) or Tiki somehow, but the hacks to give css only to IE7 are no longer working for me, which is kind of scarey. since IE7-specific display problems remain. chibaguy dreams of normalcy being just a reboot away....	[14:55]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18124 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX]wysiwyg: do not show smileys as not working+ fck has its own smileys	[14:59]
chibaguy	chibaguy wishes there was a general ie7.css file possible similar to ie6.css.	[15:07]
caralluna	yeah!	[15:07]
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chibaguy	None of the css-validating hacks I used or can find are working now. I found an illegal one that does, but would like to avoid non-valid css.	[15:08]
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chibaguy	I can add a conditional comment to header.tpl to load a stylesheet for ie7, but don't know if this is the best Tiki practice.	[15:10]
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SEWilco2	"Hello, I'm Clippy. I see you're trapped in IE7. Would you like me to run slower and try to make your screen look a little better?"	[15:28]
caralluna	lol	[15:29]
sylvieg	chibaguy: +1 to add a special css for each browser	[15:29]
chibaguy	hi sylvieg, I just duplicated the ie6.css lines in headerlib.php so will commit it. for ie7.css	[15:30]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18125 10/branches/3.0/lib/headerlib.php: [ENH] Add conditional comment for ie7.css and enable theme ie7.css files, same as for IE6.	[15:43]
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chibaguy	actually that was more of a fix than enhancement, if it's true that ie7 hacks are failing to work.	[15:44]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18126 10/branches/3.0/css/ie7.css: [NEW] Global IE7 stylesheet (alternative to IE7-targetting hacks in regular stylesheets).	[15:47]
luciash	chibaguy: hmm, i don't know, my "hacks" seem to work for IE7 on menghao.cz	[15:57]
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RobertS	hiho	[16:04]
chibaguy	luciash, yeah, they were working for me, too, but the last day or so they aren't.	[16:05]
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caralluna	hiho :-)	[16:05]
chibaguy	Don't know what changed.	[16:05]
Guest15037	stupid Nickserver :P	[16:05]
caralluna	lol	[16:05]
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caralluna	Guest15037: if you use /nick command, does that make it stay?	[16:06]
Guest15037	i got a little bigger problem with my tw installation - i played around personal view and menus aso and lost a major menu and dont how to get it back :OP	[16:06]
caralluna	Oooh, been there done that ... ages ago I think I reinstalled ... but I have a tendency to reinstall a bit too quick But I don't know how to fix it	[16:07]
Guest15037	its kinda the main menu - any good idea - its the menu where u can check for list pages ... list recent chnges ... when u r logged in as user ic:( snief :P i guess ill try it with media wiki :P	[16:08]
chibaguy	Guest15037, why not trying using tiki-install.php? The menu is stored in the database, maybe doing the upgrade would reinstate it.	[16:11]
Guest15037	u mean and start over all again?	[16:11]
chibaguy	No, not wipe your current db content.	[16:11]
Guest15037	where are my pages after this - gone ?	[16:12]
chibaguy	no not touched	[16:12]
caralluna	but some stuff gets reset, doesn't it?	[16:12]
Guest15037	ill try this - if it works that would be nice	[16:12]
chibaguy	Not configuration choices, I don't think so.	[16:12]
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Guest15037	if not it would be kinda BS :P - nvm no other possibilty since i dont know how to get back the menus	[16:13]
chibaguy	But be careful to choose update, not delete database or however it's stated. ah, I can try it first on a test site if you want	[16:13]
Guest15037	kk - ty :))	[16:13]
caralluna	good idea chibaguy, why didn't I think of that ;-)	[16:14]
Guest15037	if u could do it - ill wait for results :)	[16:15]
chibaguy	ok, just a minute please ah, just deleted the default menu....	[16:16]
Guest15037	there is only one possibility at the installer what says - reinstall - but this will delete your database - i allready deleted "lock" but cant see any helpful at the install page	[16:20]
caralluna	guess you could go manually to tiki-admin_modules.php or tiki-admin_menus.php depending on where you "lost it" ?	[16:20]
chibaguy	I clicked 5. Install/Upgrade, then the "upgrade" button...	[16:20]
caralluna	Guest15037: You should be able to do an upgrade	[16:21]
Guest15037	just upgrade - without needing an u8pgrade ?	[16:21]
chibaguy	uh oh, no menu appears	[16:21]
Guest15037	:)) :P	[16:22]
caralluna	how about my second suggestion chibaguy, wouldn't that work? and then reassign the menu or module	[16:22]
chibaguy	uh, which suggestion?	[16:22]
caralluna	guess you could go manually to tiki-admin_modules.php or tiki-admin_menus.php depending on where you "lost it" ?	[16:23]
Guest15037	i dont get how this caralluna - u mean - look into php codes?	[16:23]
chibaguy	go to tiki-admin_menus.php?	[16:23]
caralluna	yeah	[16:23]
chibaguy	no menu is listed.	[16:23]
caralluna	oh, bummer ...	[16:23]
chibaguy	I thought the "upgrade" might repopulate the db with that menu content.	[16:23]
caralluna	how about modules?	[16:23]
Guest15037	cara would u like to have a look at my tikiwiki - its just one menu im missing	[16:24]
chibaguy	But I guess deleting the menu is considered an admin pref which isn't overwritten by the upgrade process.	[16:24]
caralluna	chibaguy: IMHO, a "proper" upgrade shouldn't repopulate menus :-P Guest15037: sure, I can try	[16:24]
chibaguy	In which case you could look at db/tiki.sql and grab the statements for the menu and input them with phpMya Admin	[16:24]
Guest15037	its on www.sonnenmeister.eu - and then click on tikiwiki	[16:25]
caralluna	lol! Guest15037: You have done it exactly as I have on my testserver! ;-) Guest15037: http://www.rettvest.org/7.html ;-)	[16:25]
Guest15037	me?	[16:26]
caralluna	though isn't it a security risk havin php info publicly available?	[16:26]
chibaguy	looks like you two used the same design studio for that splash page.. ;-)	[16:27]
caralluna	lol yeah :-D	[16:27]
Guest15037	:) cant be - the logo is made on my own :P	[16:27]
caralluna	chibaguy: It's called Notepad, you may have heard of it ;-)	[16:27]
chibaguy	ah, ok, sorry. ;-)	[16:27]
Guest15037	on the left hand side the menu - the main one is missing - u see what i mean?	[16:28]
chibaguy	sounds familiar	[16:28]
caralluna	yeah	[16:28]
chibaguy	well, you can probably use phpMyAdmin to input the menu's lines from the db/tiki.sql file.	[16:28]
Guest15037	ok :PP no way - maybe in a year :P	[16:29]
caralluna	hmmm ... should be doable I think .. hang on ...	[16:29]
chibaguy	time to sleep here. g'night all.	[16:30]
caralluna	Guest15037: try http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php	[16:30]
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caralluna	are you able to log in and reassign the lost module there?	[16:30]
Guest15037	im pretty new to all this stuff - just started with it - very interesting at all - but no way i could fix anything about the phpmyadmin tool in the near future :) i can assign the menu - but then it will be there only a second time and empty again :P	[16:30]
caralluna	Guest15037: yeah, me too ... successfully fixing that through phpmyadmin would require pretty intricate knowledge of the database structure uhm, I misunderstood the problem ...:-) I see there is a "Menu" on top that should be pretty much largeer, right?	[16:31]
Guest15037	so assign the "menu" brings up a second empty menu :P yes yes caralluna thats it	[16:32]
caralluna	what version are you running?	[16:33]
Guest15037	latest stable - 2.3	[16:33]
caralluna	that's 2.4 latest, isn't it?	[16:33]
Guest15037	hm then they changed something lately :)	[16:34]
caralluna	anyway - I could try to export the menu from one of my installations, then you import it	[16:34]
Guest15037	oops sounds nice - if importing is possible	[16:34]
caralluna	yeah, with menus it is ... I am actually just about to test that on my own test site, I've reorganized my menu, easier to do in a spreadsheet :-P	[16:35]
Guest15037	lets try it please :)	[16:36]
caralluna	omw :-P	[16:36]
Guest15037	if we got a 5 min for making a coffee please tell me :))	[16:36]
caralluna	gimme a mailadress, then you probably do ;-) maybe in private I don't think I have changed the menu from installation	[16:37]
Guest15037	since i dont know how to stay logged in with my name here i dont know how to chat in private :P	[16:38]
	ok mail is here and coffeemachine is running :)	[16:43]
caralluna	:-D	[16:43]
Guest15037	what next :)?	[16:43]
caralluna	now go to http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_menus.php	[16:44]
Guest15037	omw	[16:45]
caralluna	do you see any menus listed at the bottom?	[16:45]
Guest15037	i got a 500 internal server error :P	[16:46]
caralluna	bah you access the site with the same address as we do, right?	[16:46]
Guest15037	how can this be - i did nothing so far and could go to the admin tool this afternoon still yes	[16:47]
caralluna	try to make sure that you are logged in as admin	[16:47]
Guest15037	i was ill try again	[16:47]
caralluna	though if you are not, you should just be asked to log in	[16:47]
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Guest15037	its a bit crazy - i logged in again and was logged in as admin then already but couldnt see anything but the background :P	[16:49]
caralluna	those 500 errors could also be random	[16:50]
Guest15037	sec ok im in with direct link	[16:51]
caralluna	good :-)	[16:51]
Guest15037	to the admin site u typed above	[16:51]
caralluna	is there a menu name listed at the bottom?	[16:52]
Guest15037	and no menu at bottom mentioned	[16:52]
caralluna	ok then you should be able to create a new menu	[16:52]
Guest15037	yes what name i should give it	[16:53]
caralluna	problem is, that does not get ID 42 ... so some stuff may not work 100% Mine is called "Application Menu" the default name	[16:53]
Guest15037	ok and which description out of the 3 possible i mean d e or f?	[16:54]
caralluna	I use Dynamic Collapsed	[16:55]
Guest15037	ok	[16:55]
caralluna	and the folderpath empty	[16:55]
Guest15037	folder icon? ok :)	[16:55]
caralluna	and Save	[16:56]
Guest15037	ID 43 now	[16:56]
caralluna	then on the icons to the right on the bottom line, the one to the left of the red x	[16:57]
Guest15037	configue options	[16:57]
caralluna	i mean, click that icon ;-)	[16:57]
Guest15037	i have it english all	[16:58]
caralluna	yeah me too :-) On the bottom there should be "Import CSV Data"	[16:58]
Guest15037	yep :)) wait couldnt i import the same for my ID 42?	[16:59]
caralluna	the IDs are AFAIK assigned automatically, as far as the database is concerned, ID 42 is used now, and they must be unique	[17:00]
Guest15037	ok	[17:00]
caralluna	it is fixable, but you need to change the database directly	[17:00]
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Guest15037	ok its importing	[17:01]
caralluna	caralluna is crossing fingers ;-)	[17:01]
Guest15037	error : you can use option ID=0 ... wanna read more?	[17:02]
caralluna	yeah	[17:02]
Guest15037	.... to creat a new option or option ID equal ... sec an ID that already belongs to the kmenu to update it thats the error message	[17:03]
caralluna	hang on, I'll import it myself and see if I get the same	[17:04]
Guest15037	ok	[17:05]
caralluna	yeah, I get the same	[17:06]
Guest15037	whats to do :)?	[17:07]
caralluna	But I don't get it ... there is no OptionID=0 in that file	[17:07]
	As I understand the message we need to set OptionID to 0 to create new menu options I tried zeroing out alle Option IDs, but same message	[17:12]
Guest15037	sounds heavy :)P	[17:13]
caralluna	I need to get this working myself, I am about to try the same thing on my site ;-)	[17:13]
Guest15037	ok	[17:14]
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caralluna	wow! got it create an option in the menu manually first under "edit menu options"	[17:15]
Guest15037	wait i dont got it	[17:16]
caralluna	and maybe you need to zero out all optionIDs in the file first :-) http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_menu_options.php maybe you need http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_menu_options.php?menuid=43	[17:16]
Guest15037	lets try it - ok im there	[17:18]
caralluna	then enter a name, Test or something ... and set Position to 0 not sure ifyou need the position, but I changed it	[17:19]
marclaporte	does anyone have a weird large page here? http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=General+Admin	[17:20]
Guest15037	options is at 0 at menu ID=43 i cant find positions	[17:20]
caralluna	marclaporte: Yeah, first comes the center up, then the left margin ... and right margin waaaay to the right	[17:21]
Guest15037	sec u mean - create a new one?	[17:21]
caralluna	Guest15037: yeah ... and then save in the end then it should pop up under "Menu options" then try re-importing	[17:21]
Guest15037	it says 43 again how this	[17:22]
caralluna	never mind that yet ;-) btw, the page you are on is called Admin menu:<Menu name> and not Admin Menus, right?	[17:23]
Guest15037	ok what about level and option - i found position now	[17:24]
caralluna	leave them default	[17:24]
Guest15037	and set position to 0 - allright	[17:24]
caralluna	yeah then you try the import again	[17:24]
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Guest15037	importing same error message again	[17:25]
caralluna	ok I' send you a file with option IDs zeroed out - hang on	[17:26]
Guest15037	how to work on that file - just open it with exel? allright - waiting for mail	[17:27]
caralluna	that is another way to do it but remember saving as CSV, not as xls or something else	[17:27]
Guest15037	ok but where i have to change the figures? at type?	[17:28]
caralluna	I sent you a new mail ;-)	[17:29]
Guest15037	ok	[17:29]
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sylvieg	marclaporte: I do not get your last commits	[17:29]
caralluna	al the A coloumn (except A1) is changed to 0	[17:29]
sylvieg	smarty notice	[17:29]
marclaporte	which ones?	[17:29]
sylvieg	+ 'smarty_notice_reporting' => 'y',	[17:30]
Guest15037	got it and mail too importing the new file	[17:30]
sylvieg	I was ready to delete forever this option for 'n' because there are a lot of smarty notices we do not program to avoid these notices	[17:30]
Guest15037	woot cala great it worked	[17:32]
caralluna	Guest15037: YAY! ;-)	[17:33]
Guest15037	how to get it now to my main right column?	[17:33]
caralluna	hang on put tiki-admin_modules.php at the end of the address	[17:33]
Guest15037	and what is testoption :OP?))	[17:33]
caralluna	just delete that, I forgot to ... was during my testing ;-9 ;-)	[17:34]
Guest15037	where do i have to change the adress and where do i have to delete this - sorry im newb	[17:35]
caralluna	put tiki-admin_modules.php at the end of the address hang on	[17:36]
Guest15037	ok delete the test i found	[17:36]
caralluna	Are you at the "admin modules" page?	[17:38]
Guest15037	but i cant see a possibility tio change the adress to put tiki-admin ... at the end of the adress	[17:38]
caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php is what I mean by that ;-)	[17:38]
Guest15037	ahhh :P sec	[17:39]
caralluna	;-)	[17:39]
Guest15037	im there	[17:39]
marclaporte	sylvieg : ok maybe I misunderstood when I tried with & without, I saw no difference What would a Smarty notice look like?	[17:39]
sylvieg	if you activate the trace you will thousands of notices ;-)	[17:40]
caralluna	Guest15037: Go to Create new user module in the bottom	[17:40]
Guest15037	the application menu - we just imported isnt listed - right? ok sec	[17:40]
sylvieg	because we are used to write {if $toto} and not if (isset($toto)}	[17:41]
Guest15037	any name or some special?	[17:41]
caralluna	Guest15037: Give it a name and title and put "{menu id=42}" without quotes in Data I just call name and title the same	[17:41]
Guest15037	must be wikiparsed?	[17:42]
caralluna	no wait 43, not 42, sorry	[17:42]
Guest15037	<-- waiting :)) ok	[17:42]
caralluna	{menu id=43} uhm hang on, not sure	[17:43]
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caralluna	yeah, must be wiki parsed	[17:45]
Guest15037	allright omw	[17:45]
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Guest15037	whats with Order when im putting it in my left colum -anything to do there? position left - Order 1?	[17:47]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : ok, I will try to reproduce	[17:48]
Guest15037	rows 10	[17:48]
caralluna	depends where you want it - order 1 gets displayed before order 2 :-)	[17:48]
Guest15037	ah ok :P	[17:48]
caralluna	I'd say order 1, and I think rows is irrelevant on that box	[17:48]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : I have a question about tracker plugin http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginTracker -> email from\|to\|template	[17:49]
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marclaporte	"to is an email or a list of emails separated with comas or the fieldId containing the email," say I want an email to be sent to person in the form, so I put a number. All is well	[17:49]
caralluna	that is f ex if you add something like "top x users" - rows tells how many users it will display	[17:50]
Guest15037	caralluna it worked but there is nothing else now on my page than this new application menu :P nothing above - nothing below and a huge white plane field besides it :P	[17:50]
caralluna	...and I can only see a blank page	[17:51]
marclaporte	email=blabla@bla.com\|107,blabla2@bla.com,blabla3@bla.com\|inscription.tpl <- what about this syntax. I want form filler to receive email (which is in fieldID 107) but also 2 other people	[17:51]
Guest15037	erm :)	[17:52]
marclaporte	do you know if this is possible?	[17:52]
caralluna	caralluna is sweating a bit now ;-) what we have don should AFAIK not have affected your front page	[17:52]
Guest15037	its i even cant go back to admin tools now :P ill give up on this - i guess :PP but was fun :))	[17:53]
caralluna	I don't :-P	[17:53]
Guest15037	u mean we got a chance to get it back running ?	[17:54]
caralluna	there is always a chance ;-)	[17:54]
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caralluna	I had the same problem on my site a few weeks ago, just trying to remember what we did ;-)	[17:55]
sylvieg	marclaporte: it should work	[17:56]
Guest15037	ok i just had a window for admin when i clicked on admin menu - but going to wiki home brings back the blank	[17:56]
caralluna	I remember that if I added ?fullscreen=y to the adress the page displayed, but without the modules when I try that for your page now it gives a 500 http://tw2.rettvest.org/tiki-index.php?fullscreen=y like this	[17:57]
Guest15037	just blank - only a very pages are working but have no functions :P few*	[18:01]
caralluna	argh	[18:01]
sylvieg	fullscreen was bugged - i fixed some errors this morning	[18:02]
caralluna	Guest15037: do you remember if you have PHP errors reporting on? sylvieg: For which version?	[18:03]
sylvieg	3.0 svn	[18:03]
Guest15037	no	[18:03]
caralluna	sylvieg: Ah, he's running 2.3	[18:04]
Guest15037	i have not read any reports	[18:04]
caralluna	ok	[18:04]
Guest15037	havnt looked for reports	[18:04]
caralluna	what the ... ? now it gives only 500 OMG ... what have I now done ...	[18:05]
Guest15037	what happens - it just changed middle out of nowhwere to the old "only menu" view	[18:07]
marclaporte	sylvieg: it's not working for me...	[18:07]
Guest15037	i dont get php :P	[18:07]
caralluna	still gives me 500	[18:08]
Guest15037	<removing the menu we added i can do it again same way	[18:08]
sylvieg	marclaporte: I will have a look when I will have fix ajax (my 3- day onm this)	[18:08]
Guest15037	later if we like	[18:08]
caralluna	Do you have access to the pages so you can remove it?	[18:09]
Guest15037	i just did what u are seeing now?	[18:09]
marclaporte	tks	[18:09]
Guest15037	it was like sometimes i could see things sometimes not	[18:10]
caralluna	Guest15037: now I get the blank page agagin	[18:10]
Guest15037	and i got no clue why	[18:10]
caralluna	me neither :-/	[18:10]
Guest15037	a problem is .- there are still rest of the old menus which doesnt work anymore its only the lines and the headline	[18:11]
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Guest15037	the menu we created isnt there anymore - but the empty box	[18:12]
caralluna	I still get the blank page ... what browser are you using?	[18:13]
Guest15037	safari	[18:13]
caralluna	me too mac user? ;-)	[18:13]
Guest15037	IE is crashing every day twice since some weeks so i changed to this cause i dont like mozilla	[18:14]
caralluna	OK	[18:14]
Guest15037	im not :)	[18:14]
caralluna	I understodd that when you mentioned IE ;-) I am though ;-)	[18:14]
Guest15037	ic :) how to come to the site where i can set up the menus i want to see on my tw? i start always on admin menu and there is no such	[18:15]
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caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php this one?	[18:17]
Guest15037	i think yes - but the link i have i kinda broken cause it leads to modules#left... something is*	[18:18]
caralluna	btw, when you removed the menu again, did you remove the actual menu or the module?	[18:19]
Guest15037	only the ID=43 http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php#leftmod thats the adress im getting now	[18:19]
caralluna	but did you just unassign the module or remove the whole menu? if you see the difference? that gives me the blank page	[18:20]
Guest15037	i used the red cross - i think its unassign	[18:21]
caralluna	the red cross is on both ;-)	[18:22]
Guest15037	erm :) sec	[18:22]
caralluna	AFAIK it can get a bit quarrelsome if you delete the menu before you unassign the module then it tries to display something that no longer exists	[18:23]
Guest15037	ic i cant find the way back to the point where i can set up the menus its not at modules i mean the page where we assigned the new menu to the left column	[18:24]
caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/tiki-admin_menus.php can you see this? the page we assigned it was where you should have unassigned it first ;-)	[18:25]
Guest15037	The requested URL /tiki-admin_menus.php was not found on this server -lol	[18:27]
caralluna	wonder why ;-) http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_menus.php	[18:27]
Guest15037	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_menus.php - yes im on this page i can see it	[18:28]
caralluna	do you see the menu 43 we created there?	[18:28]
Guest15037	but there is no menu drop down or assign possibility there is only create a new no ID=43 at the bottom	[18:28]
caralluna	andd you scrolled all the way down?	[18:29]
marclaporte	sylvie: how do I activate the trace?	[18:29]
caralluna	argh ok http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php you see that page as well now?	[18:29]
Guest15037	blank	[18:31]
caralluna	darn we could try to unassign the menu, but then you need that page how about http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php?fullscreen=y ?	[18:31]
Guest15037	ill get the menu we used back same way blank	[18:32]
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caralluna	you mear re-importing the file? *mean	[18:34]
Guest15037	hm ok i created a new - and have now position 1267	[18:34]
caralluna	created new what? menu?	[18:34]
Guest15037	yes - with impoting your file	[18:35]
caralluna	problem is, that will get menuID 44 ;-)	[18:35]
Guest15037	its 45 why its a problem?	[18:36]
caralluna	and then you would need to change the module again ... which you can't do if you can't see the modules page ok 45 ;-)	[18:36]
Guest15037	43 was 1 away from 42 45 is 3 away - why not :P=	[18:37]
caralluna	the point is that it is not the same as the one you originally created ;-)	[18:37]
Guest15037	ok from admin home where to go to the assign window (menu)	[18:38]
caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php	[18:38]
Guest15037	grr blank ok im at menu and have ID=45 at bottom now	[18:38]
caralluna	AFAIK you have to create a module to display it - and then assign that module	[18:41]
Guest15037	i got the plane structur now - but it isnt working anymore :P	[18:42]
SEWilco2	Vocabulary note: "create" a module defines the content. "Assign" a module to define where it should be visible (and what groups can see it).	[18:43]
caralluna	yeah ... when I was entirely new to TW it took a few of these to figure things out :-/	[18:43]
Guest15037	yep :)	[18:43]
caralluna	SEWilco2: That was what I said, wasn't it?	[18:44]
Guest15037	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php but with this adress i cant reach anything now - maybe its just crashed to its roots now :P	[18:44]
caralluna	argh I'm sorry Guest15037 , I'm at a loss here ...	[18:45]
Guest15037	why u said i should hide php-info? nvm cara - its ok - im just learning	[18:45]
caralluna	thanks, me too, and I try to help as best I can :-) I would think it's a security risk to leave phpinfo accessible to everyone	[18:46]
Guest15037	i guess php-info should be np - but i might be wrong	[18:47]
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caralluna	I'm no cracker, but it reveals a lot of info about the server ... which I'd think is bad	[18:48]
Guest15037	its not my server :)	[18:48]
caralluna	though I don't know how much critical info it reveals no, but it's your stuff on it :-P	[18:48]
Guest15037	if this would be dangerous for the server - i guess the provider would protect it	[18:49]
caralluna	but maybe I'm paranoid ;-) yeah guess so	[18:49]
Guest15037	i cant imagine that i could destroy all the peoples work - cause im def not the only one the server	[18:49]
caralluna	no, that's true about that, you asked me about speed the other day, right?	[18:50]
Guest15037	i tthought it would be agood idea when i find a professional one day to have my php-info easy to get :) yes - its 16M i have on the server 32 is recommended for tw - maybe its a little problem	[18:51]
caralluna	the simple index displays immediately, but the tiki index (when it worked) hangs for 10 secs or so memory limit?	[18:52]
Guest15037	yes look at php-info :P	[18:52]
caralluna	yeah I am :-p when you mention it, I remember that was mentioned as a possible cause of blank pages I got mine at 128 I think	[18:53]
Guest15037	yes oops:P i was thinking about what features i could disable to have a better performance cause this 16M is at the lowest	[18:54]
caralluna	at least I would suggest you removed the link and maybe just had the file available ;-) I also often disable as much as possible ... and time and time again it has returned and bit me in the a** :-P	[18:56]
Guest15037	what would help me on performance :D n't :D	[18:57]
caralluna	I'd say higher memlimit shbould help, but I really don't know much about what helps on PHP	[18:58]
Guest15037	i havnt emailed my provider so far - maybe i try to get further info on it with an email next days	[18:59]
caralluna	I'd try making them at least increase it to 32 if that is TW requirement I usually don't check requirements :-P	[19:00]
Guest15037	yes - "better 32 " is what they say on main page for TW	[19:01]
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Guest15037	ok i can reach module now again - i disabled alot of features - and module is visible - but where to assign menus? :P? its so crazy cause all the problems sometimes mixed with server related problems like not enough memory - no fun - grr :P	[19:03]
caralluna	aha, then I'd say it's a memory problem ;-)	[19:05]
Guest15037	yep cause its gone again lol	[19:05]
caralluna	now you can't access it again?	[19:05]
Guest15037	blank again	[19:05]
caralluna	lol yeah ... memory related ... definitely ;-)	[19:05]
Guest15037	ok im on module lol soooo crazy	[19:06]
caralluna	probably the cause of the 500s I got earlier too lol	[19:06]
Guest15037	where to go to assign menus?	[19:06]
caralluna	probably like 3 bytes free now ;-)	[19:06]
Guest15037	hehe :))	[19:07]
caralluna	what does it say under Assigned modules? just the names	[19:07]
Guest15037	i ask myself why i get the possibilty to use 5 sql databases but then only 16M at memory	[19:08]
caralluna	lol yeah :-P never mind the names do you have the name of the menu you assigned?	[19:08]
Guest15037	there is no assign menus at module im not at the right page	[19:09]
caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php ?	[19:09]
Guest15037	first line at this page says Module (?) yes thats where im	[19:10]
caralluna	in the middle of the page there should be "Assigned Modules"	[19:10]
Guest15037	sec my adress is little different i just figure im at: http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin.php?page=module	[19:11]
caralluna	that will not help here :-/	[19:12]
Guest15037	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php - - blank	[19:12]
caralluna	http://www.sonnenmeister.eu/wiki/tiki-admin_modules.php	[19:12]
Guest15037	no way - - always blank there	[19:12]
caralluna	ok, back to square one :-/ I'd say you need that memory badly ;-) do you have access to restart Mysql and apache?	[19:12]
Guest15037	yes its no fun this way - i think im going to use dynalias or smth like this and start my< own yampp :)) no i dont have	[19:14]
caralluna	ok	[19:14]
Guest15037	do you know Xampp?	[19:16]
caralluna	nope I've heard of it before, but never tried it	[19:16]
Guest15037	its a free software bundle "apache mysql php and pearl	[19:16]
caralluna	I prefer "the Genoo way" ;-) *Gentoo	[19:17]
Guest15037	thats a bundle too?	[19:17]
caralluna	http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html --- what in the world has that woman got to do with XAMPP??	[19:18]
Guest15037	lol :)) but the software is great or ? and whats Gentoo?	[19:18]
caralluna	nope, Genoo is a Linux distribution, pretty minimalistic at that ... so I install that an then what applications I need on top ;-) I simply love Gentoo :-P	[19:19]
Guest15037	ic i need a rest my friend - having done nothing else than typing and stuff here since school today need food and sleep :P	[19:19]
caralluna	yeah, I should probably eat and rest :-P	[19:21]
marclaporte	amette: : can you update dev & doc?	[19:21]
Guest15037	ok - if u dont mind i maybe email u with thoughts and bits	[19:21]
caralluna	no problem :-)	[19:21]
Guest15037	if its to bad - just delete :)	[19:21]
caralluna	lol	[19:22]
Guest15037	kk :)) ok im gone - bb - gn :)	[19:22]
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caralluna	is it possible to import wiki articles from Mediawiki and maybe Wikka Wakka Wiki?	[19:33]
marclaporte	caralluna: : no easy way but at the end of the summer, it should be good	[19:42]
caralluna	darn ... guess I'll get to typing it in again ok, so it's in the works?	[19:43]
marclaporte	because: http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=55 caralluna: : you can be test case for new script	[19:43]
caralluna	I' be more than happy to! :-D "imported" manually from wakka to mediawiki ... can't say I'd look forward to doing that again ;-) not very big site, but it took me a fair bit of hours, and I'm still not finished ;-)	[19:44]
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marclaporte	caralluna: : what are the main differences between three systems? caralluna: what can we learn and improve?	[19:47]
caralluna	Personally I think mediawiki fits best for my use hang on	[19:48]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18131 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]menu: prefer to have an url on Admin section	[19:49]
caralluna	http://wikka.rettvest.org/wikka.php?wakka=PageIndex and http://mw.rettvest.org/index.php/Special:Allpages and http://mw.hansrune.com/index.php/Special:Allpages will all be one in the end I hope ;-)	[19:51]
sylvieg	do we still need to have feature_phplayers=y and feature_cssmenus = n by defautl?	[19:52]
caralluna	marclaporte: http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+TikiWiki-CMS-Groupware+WikkaWiki here is one comparison ... but if it would be helpful I could try to make a list of how I think it should be ;-) btw, does Geshi work in TW?	[19:53]
marclaporte	sylvieg: I was thinking menu 42 should be using PLM: what do you think? now that we can have more than on PLM at a time, it would look nicer	[19:54]
sylvieg	sylvieg wants to kill plm but 42 can use css	[19:55]
caralluna	PLM?	[19:55]
sylvieg	phplayer menu	[19:56]
marclaporte	ok, css then	[19:56]
caralluna	ah	[19:56]
marclaporte	but we need debugging squad then I will turn on on dev.tw.o and doc.tw.o well, with thenews.css, it's not ready for prime time	[19:58]
sylvieg	sylvieg will die - still not having the xajax working.... What is better to have shoutbox working with ajax or to have the pagination working with ajax...	[20:01]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18132 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] Correct two broken links	[20:18]
marclaporte	pagination affects more places	[20:19]
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luciash	caralluna: yes, geshi was tested recently by xavi iirc and it worked for him	[20:55]
caralluna	me want ;-)	[20:55]
luciash	sylvieg: i think shoutjax	[20:56]
rlopez_	i want to help with the translation into spanish of tiki 3.x	[20:56]
luciash	rlopez_: highly welcome	[20:56]
rlopez_	should I modify the language.php in the trunk or in the 3.x branch	[20:57]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[20:57]
rlopez_	hi luci	[20:57]
caralluna	Hi :-)	[20:57]
luciash	marclaporte, sylvieg : +1 to use css menus instead of PLMs hi all 2 :)	[20:57]
nyloth	sylvieg: around ?	[20:58]
marclaporte	luciash: : +1 to fixing them	[20:59]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18133 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (7 files): [FIX] Fix links to documentation for Galaxia Workflow	[20:59]
marclaporte	:-)	[20:59]
luciash	rlopez_: i think sylvie just fixed recently the problem in page title	[20:59]
rlopez_	ok i downloaded the tar file just to test it ;-) i will try with the last version in the svn	[20:59]
luciash	rlopez_: you will have some time to translate after last beta	[21:00]
nyloth	luciash: last beta is for tonight ;p	[21:00]
rlopez_	lol ok so it's better to translate in the branch, right?	[21:01]
nyloth	rlopez_: instead of trunk, you mean ?	[21:01]
rlopez_	yes just wondering what all you prefer ;-)	[21:01]
nyloth	rlopez_: well, yes, we will merge to trunk	[21:02]
rlopez_	ok	[21:02]
marclaporte	rlopez_: : congrats for GSOC!	[21:03]
rlopez_	thanks to you marc!	[21:04]
marclaporte	it;s serious now	[21:04]
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rlopez_	aldo and ben are really happy	[21:04]
marclaporte	we are all happy	[21:04]
caralluna	Congrats rlopez_ :-)	[21:04]
rlopez_	we are preparing a presentation fro this saturday we want to share with all of you the ideas of this project in the tikifest	[21:04]
marclaporte	good timing How about a TikiFest in Madrid soon?	[21:05]
rlopez_	sure , great, fantastic, ... you will be VERY WELCOME you know	[21:05]
marclaporte	tell your girlfriend I want to hear more of the story! :-) :-)	[21:06]
rlopez_	jajaja nice i will do well folks, i have to go i will start with the translation to Spanish asap when will be the launch of tiki 3?	[21:06]
marclaporte	May 3rd	[21:08]
caralluna	Btw; I saw the other day that there were a few missing strings in Norwegian in TW ...	[21:08]
marclaporte	caralluna: : can you add?	[21:08]
caralluna	is the translation coordinated with someone?	[21:08]
rlopez_	so i have time see you	[21:08]
caralluna	marclaporte: I can (I mean I'm from Norway) but I don't know how to	[21:09]
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marclaporte	luciash: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/ -> css menu bug with bottom left menu. It is easy to fix? caralluna: : go to language/xx/lang.php and update the strings after: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/commit	[21:10]
caralluna	OMG ... a few lines there :-p I guess 3.0 is most important now?	[21:13]
luciash	marclaporte: sure you forgot to put type=vert param and module must have &overflow=y	[21:14]
marclaporte	that's complicated	[21:15]
luciash	with PLM you must have type=vert too iirc	[21:16]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18134 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] fix doc link tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18135 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: allow translation of profile names + remove old smarty code for the length of the list of profiles + don't move to top of page when clicking on 'help' icons that displays detailed explanations. tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18136 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/mod-admin_menu.tpl: [FIX] admin menu: update strings in admin_menu.tpl to reflect the strings used in the database menu (for get_strings)	[21:24]
luciash	marclaporte: done	[21:26]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18137 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: more french translations (mainly for the installer)	[21:27]
caralluna	marclaporte: When I am ready to commit, I always do that to trunk?	[21:28]
SEWilco2	caralluna: I've been told to go to trunk now. The 3.0 branch is being protected from changes.	[21:41]
marclaporte	if it's just translations, it can go to 3.0 but all the rest is generally trunk depends http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit	[21:42]
caralluna	but shold translations go to both then or only 3.00	[21:43]
marclaporte	just 3.0 and they will be automgically merged	[21:43]
caralluna	marclaporte: yeah I saw that link, but I didn't get much wiser ;-)	[21:43]
marclaporte	hhe	[21:43]
caralluna	well, I'll be keeping to translations for a while, if my PHP code got into TW it would say a great big "Hello World!" ;-)	[21:45]
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caralluna	marclaporte: any special considerations regarding the three special norwegian letters?	[21:48]
marclaporte	just make sure to do svn diff before you commit to detect any encoding issues	[21:50]
caralluna	ok, they will be handled correctly? ok	[21:50]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18138 10/branches/3.0/ (changelog.txt copyright.txt): [REL] Preparing 3.0beta4 release	[21:58]
nyloth	please don't commit on branch 3.0 now, until the release of beta4 is finished... release in progress....	[21:59]
caralluna	I'll not be committing tonight ;-)	[21:59]
nyloth	marclaporte: please, handle the com' stuff after the release has been done and files uploaded to sf :) caralluna: ok ;)	[21:59]
marclaporte	ok	[22:02]
nyloth	thanx :)	[22:03]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18139 10/branches/3.0/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 3.0beta4 tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18140 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta4 tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18141 10/tags/3.0beta4/: [REL] Tagging release	[22:03]
marclaporte	nyloth: : are we at 30 minutes yet?	[22:05]
SEWilco2	18141 sounds good as long as that's not a toe tag.	[22:05]
nyloth	marclaporte: not so far from 30 min... generating copyright.txt still takes a lot of time... will try to reduce it soon ;)	[22:07]
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marclaporte	hehe	[22:08]
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caralluna	Should 4.0 have fewer tables in the database than 3.0?	[22:15]
marclaporte	{if $prefs.feature_help eq 'y'} {help url="Users+Shade+Modules"}{/if} Where do I find how help url is managed? caralluna: probably not but the rate of increase is reduced	[22:22]
nyloth	marclaporte: files uploaded to SF.net ... the release of 3.0 beta4 is finished (for me ;) )	[22:24]
caralluna	just noticed it, 3 has 224 and 4 has 223 caralluna is svn upping ;-) but I get alot of database errors when I try to save data to 4, so maybe something is missing	[22:24]
marclaporte	nyloth: : congrats!	[22:25]
nyloth	marclaporte: lib/smarty_tiki/function.help.php	[22:26]
marclaporte	I will handle comm	[22:26]
nyloth	marclaporte: thanx :)	[22:26]
marclaporte	nyloth: : did you see this? http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Restore+Help+Pages	[22:26]
caralluna	caralluna congratulates nyloth ;-)	[22:26]
nyloth	thx :)	[22:26]
marclaporte	could {help url="Users+Shade+Modules"} check $prefs.feature_help so we don't have to do all the time?	[22:27]
nyloth	marclaporte: yes	[22:28]
marclaporte	it is easy? Any risks or reason not to? (performance, etc) nyloth: I am trying to get a complete list of all links to doc.tw.o The old script doesn't take into account the new syntax	[22:28]
nyloth	marclaporte: I don't see any problem with that	[22:29]
marclaporte	ok, great. Shall I put on wishlist?	[22:30]
nyloth	marclaporte: or commit now :)	[22:30]
marclaporte	LOL would be a star feature of Beta5 :-) would help clean up the doc links	[22:30]
nyloth	marclaporte: next one is an RC, not a beta :)	[22:31]
marclaporte	yes! I can smell it!	[22:31]
nyloth	:) marclaporte: if possible, in your mail on the list, be precise (as in your schedule) on the fact that it's now in freeze and only translations + bugfixes - and no text changes in english. It's translators time now :)	[22:34]
marclaporte	ok	[22:39]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18142 10/branches/3.0/lib/headerlib.php: global	[22:43]
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marclaporte	nyloth: : I don't see much lib/smarty_tiki/function.help.php	[22:50]
nyloth	Hmm... scripts for secdb seems to have badly handled a few files :( - I may have to re-run scripts to build beta4 again right now	[22:51]
marclaporte	I guess help_doclink is what I should check next	[22:51]
nyloth	marclaporte: yes	[22:52]
marclaporte	looks like it's already there :-) if ($prefs['feature_help'] == 'y' and $url) {	[22:56]
nyloth	marclaporte: ok, easier than expected ;)	[22:57]
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marclaporte	I just tested and it works yay!	[22:58]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18144 10/branches/3.0/ (changelog.txt copyright.txt): [REL] Preparing 3.0beta4 release	[23:00]
caralluna	caralluna applauds all the great devs :-)	[23:01]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18145 10/tags/3.0beta4/: [KIL] rebuilding tag due to secdb errors	[23:02]
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marclaporte	how can I update this to work with new syntax? grep -r '{$prefs.helpurl}' templates \| sed -e "s/^.{$prefs.helpurl}([^"'])["'].*$/\1/" \| sort \| uniq \| awk '{print "(("$1"))~\|~ ~\|~"}' \| tr "+" " " instead of {$prefs.helpurl}GalaxiaAdminProcesses , it's now {help url= and url= is not necessarily the only/first param	[23:11]
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caralluna	caralluna leaving for some shuteye ... g'night!	[23:15]
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nyloth	marclaporte: I uploaded the new files to sf.net ... could you just test one of them with secdb, please ? I was experiencing some secdb problems here, but re-running the script did not really change secdb... so maybe it was good before and just a problem on my laptop	[23:27]
marclaporte	ok trying now	[23:28]
nyloth	thx	[23:28]
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nyloth	I still have a problem with headerlib here	[23:30]
marclaporte	you saw sylvieg's commit?	[23:33]
nyloth	yes, but it should have been handled correctly (added to beta4) do you have a correct secdb ?	[23:34]
marclaporte	still downloading 56% I think I may be downloading from Australia :-)	[23:34]
nyloth	:)	[23:35]
marclaporte	why is Tiki so heavy! :-)	[23:36]
caralluna\|asleep	because it's the best :-P	[23:36]
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nyloth	I've just looked in my db after the install. The hash for lib/headerlib.php is 5d7347211eeba8d2e939910ee0006ac4 ... but it should be 57857718c8476d8a3a38d2a918d61f41 In fact, commit 18146 has updated secdb to the good value, but the creation of the tag, one commit later, seems to have missed this update...	[23:38]
marclaporte	./lib/headerlib.php This is a modified File. Cannot check version. Check if it is dangerous.	[23:40]
nyloth	yep I'll re-run scripts. There is something wrong with release scripts for secdb. Don't know what exactly	[23:41]
marclaporte	thank you for your persistance! I will get food	[23:43]
nyloth	already ? :)	[23:44]
marclaporte	hehe	[23:44]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18148 10/tags/3.0beta4/: [KIL] rebuilding tag due to secdb errors (again, scripts seems to miss last commit each time)	[23:45]
nyloth	marclaporte: it should be ok in 15-20 min	[23:47]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18149 10/tags/3.0beta4/: [REL] Tagging release	[23:50]
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