#tikiwiki 2009-05-03,Sun

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Tikiwiki\|bot	Info: TikiWiki 3.0 Beta 4 Released - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=58	[00:19]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Info: TikiWiki 3.0 Release Candidate1 - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=58	[00:29]
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jcyrisse	heyas everyone anyone have a share script to add link to a tiki site to facebook?	[03:10]
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ricks99	* insomnia strikes... rick tries to update smarties to 3.0!	[05:21]
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ricks99	261 failed queries on upgrade :(	[06:20]
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	all-in-all, not too bad lots of plugins to manually approve :(	[06:39]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18383 10/branches/3.0/lang/ca/language.php: some more strings translated	[07:57]
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chibaguy	chibaguy now installing tiki3.0rc1 via ftp to hosted domain...	[08:24]
xavi	toctoc chibaguy: I see that in tw.o (strasa.css), nummber of posts in forums is not seen (white font on white bg)	[08:36]
chibaguy	toctoc, xavi	[08:37]
xavi	after name of user and star, number of posts is shown on another line, thus, on white bg	[08:38]
chibaguy	ah, ok, I'll fix it in branch 3 svn (I guess is the place).	[08:38]
xavi	I guess so another tiny one: when watching a forum by it's categories, the message "Watched by categories: Developer" (for instance) is very dark over black bg on the black bar of the thread topic s/it's/its xavi is doing house work today (curtains, shelves, ...)	[08:39]
chibaguy	ok, I'll check that one also. thanks,	[08:43]
xavi	xavi will hopefully learn how to propose a new feature (optional advanced search by default) on proposed branch welcome; house work time, bbl	[08:43]
chibaguy	see you later. :-)	[08:44]
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GillesM	hello on 2.4 I have ajaxloading message displayed what is wrong ?	[09:27]
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GillesM	sylvieg: are you there ?	[09:28]
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xavi	GillesM: check that you have any required entries in your css about ajax. Try with one official&updated theme style to see if it works better, as a hint hth xavi back to house work	[10:42]
GillesM	ok done ... thanks :)	[10:42]
xavi	did it work?	[10:42]
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chibaguy	xavi, I can't find the "Watched by categories: . . . " text. Is that on /tiki-view_forum.php?forumId= ?	[11:02]
sylvieg	if you have an error ajax will be loading forever.	[11:04]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18384 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Bad text-background contrast (number of posts, in forum post author info).	[11:20]
xavi	chibaguy: :-) you need to be watching a category, like "DEvelopment", and then, go to a forum categorized in such category, like development forum :-)	[11:24]
chibaguy	ah, ok. thanks. I'm also trying to figure out why forum pages are so wide at tw.o. At my branch 3.0 sites, they're narrow (no scroll bar).	[11:28]
xavi	mmmm, house work in the room where this computer is hosted. Bye for some hours.	[11:35]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18385 10/branches/3.0/styles/transitions/1.9to2.2.css: [FIX] Remove "!important" on some colors to allow themes to override easier.	[12:17]
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wikitikiinfo	hi guys, i installed today tikiwiki 3.0 rc1 and it is same slow like before what can i do to speed up this site?? it takes nearly 9 seconds to show the site !!! is that normal ? hello? someone here ?	[12:57]
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wikitikiinfo	you are accessoires here ?	[12:59]
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luminoso	i think it's not normal and take it easy. people on irc take sometime to reply	[13:01]
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Chris111	hi guys ! sprecht ihr deutsch hier ? ich habe ein extremes geschwindigkeitsproblem mit dem cms kann mir bitte jemand helfen ? ich habe heute 3.0rc1 installiert und es dauert satte 9 sec. ein n�chstes bild auf zu bauen !! das kann doch nicht normal sein , oder? i habe a problem with the speed on 3.0rc1. it takes 9 seconds to the first picture. is that normal ?? i think not, i see many fast tikiwiki sites, but not mine. what i can do ??? why you guys only stay in the room for show? haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone heeeeeeerrrre?? oh nice sund outside..	[13:04]
luminoso	take it easy	[13:09]
Chris111	your coffe is good ?	[13:09]
luminoso	maybe your host is shared? i'm also a tikiwiki user and i don't notice any load lag	[13:09]
Chris111	yes strato is shared. but sooo slow. i want not belive that it�s normal	[13:09]
luminoso	hum where: try mine: http://luminoso.ws beta4	[13:09]
Chris111	you can watch on http://login.zubehoerexperten.de	[13:10]
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Chris111	oh, no popup	[13:10]
luminoso	wow this is slow	[13:11]
Chris111	what was the site again, please	[13:11]
luminoso	22seconds lol	[13:11]
Chris111	yes. i know	[13:11]
luminoso	http://luminoso.ws	[13:11]
Chris111	but what can i do???	[13:11]
luminoso	i think that your host sucks lol takes a long time to connect	[13:11]
Chris111	lol.. yes but..	[13:12]
luminoso	is mine also slow for you?	[13:12]
Chris111	can it possible that i do something wrong on the site, that it slow down so extreme ? no it�s fast for me	[13:12]
luminoso	hum host problem?	[13:13]
Chris111	extreme fast to mine.. maybe i try on site5 again.. what hoster you have?	[13:13]
luminoso	vexxhost and u?	[13:14]
Chris111	strato but also site5 on an other.. on the website itself it is very fast but on the cms is takes extreme long time shiiiitt!	[13:14]
luminoso	go tou your cpanel and check you machine loads	[13:15]
Chris111	ok, when i�m on site5 i will try but i connot check on strato	[13:15]
luminoso	why not? you don't have cpanel?	[13:16]
Chris111	not on strato. nothing from this. ok, i will try on site 5.. on my next installation. luminoso, you use also 3.0?	[13:17]
luminoso	yep beta4 upgrading now to RC1	[13:20]
Chris111	cool. and so fast !.. lol have you a bomb to destroy strato please ?	[13:20]
luminoso	lolz it seems that strato is overselling	[13:21]
Chris111	i think all the time, ok, maybe it is only the early version... you have an own vserver there? or it is hosted ?	[13:21]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18386 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] release script: some small fixes and improvements: tikiwiki: * Fix --no-tagging option to also skip the existing tag check and tag deletion tikiwiki: * Avoid usage of 'mysql_real_escape_string' function if not needed when escaping filenames for SecDB tikiwiki: If some filenames have to be escaped with this function, exist gracefully with a useful error message if no DB connection can be made tikiwiki: * If PHP 'readline' extension is not available, fallback to a code that uses fgets instead tikiwiki: * When parsing members data from SF.net, die with an error if 'iconv' is not available on the system	[13:25]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18387 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/ (release.php svntools.php): [FIX] release script: quit the release script with an error if subversion requirements are not ok. tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18388 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: quit release script with an error if PHP version is less than 5	[13:42]
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hyphenex	hey, can someone walk me through setting up posting to my Wikiwiki user blog on a desktop app (Blogo on OSX)	[14:09]
Sug4r	Naturally.	[14:09]
hyphenex	sweet, all I've been getting are errors, what should I put as my 'blogs URL'?	[14:09]
chibaguy	hyphenex: sorry, but Sug4r is just a bot.	[14:16]
xavi	hyphenex: I did it once through BloGTK (Linux) or wBloggar for window$. http://gclub.ub.es/COM+publicar+via+clients+Blogger unluckily it's in Catalan, but surely you can use machine translation from google of http://apertium.sf.net to get the bulk translated to english aask if in doubt after you do some trial & errors... (we are still house working at home, and from time to time I can come to see irc ) hth	[14:16]
hyphenex	xavi: sweet, I might give it a go with BloGTK then, so you're sure you've got it to work :)	[14:17]
xavi	btw, that site is runnig 1.9.x I haven't tried with 2.x ir 3.x	[14:17]
hyphenex	oh, I'm using 2.2	[14:18]
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xavi	hyphenex: are you sure that this type of info is not under http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation ? (and in English)= I might have translated that there years ago...	[14:20]
hyphenex	xavi: I've looked, and found a reference wBloggar or something, but it didn't say much	[14:20]
marclaporte	polom	[14:24]
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marclaporte	marclaporte waits for nyloth	[14:44]
xavi	btw, marclaporte, congratulations for the hard work releaseing rc1 yesterday :-) :-)	[14:44]
marclaporte	tks, mostly Patricia & Patrice	[14:51]
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marclaporte	unfortunately, there are still many problems and not enough people are helping With profiles, for example There are many big problems with http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Personal_Blog_and_Profile and edit plugin doesn't work for plugins within plugins and some of the default content does this this will lead to many support requests	[15:08]
xavi	"many big problems"?	[15:11]
marclaporte	I think too few people have understood the power of profiles go install blog profile and ask yourself how this user experience compares to installing a blogging package then, you tell me about big problems custom home page doesn't work	[15:11]
xavi	oups doesn't work through profiles? or doesn't work in tiki at all?	[15:12]
chibaguy	marclaporte, I agree about the power of profiles, but it will take some time for them to catch on, I think.	[15:12]
marclaporte	xavi: just try it	[15:15]
ricks99	fwiw, my 3.0 upgrade went pretty smoothly... still ironing out some issuees, but pretty good so far	[15:17]
marclaporte	ricks99: : can we move {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR} to profiles	[15:22]
btiffin	Excuse the interrupt. Fanboy ... Just a cheer to the TikiCodeFesters. Go Tiki Go! Thanks for the efforts everyone.	[15:22]
marclaporte	ricks99: the edit plugin doesn't handle plugins within plugins	[15:22]
ricks99	@marclaporte: dont understand?	[15:22]
marclaporte	2 things	[15:23]
ricks99	y, i see that in smarties 3.0	[15:23]
marclaporte	1- In the bare-bones install, I do not want any text	[15:23]
ricks99	1. disagree. imho, there should always be some default text, let use know that the install went well (like apache)	[15:23]
marclaporte	2- This type of content should be distributed by profiles as it's easier to edit in wiki pages In all the profiles except barebones, we can put I had some tests with some users they see edit plugin buttons	[15:23]
chibaguy	"Internal Server Error" when trying to install blog profile :-(	[15:24]
ricks99	test users preferred a blank home page? instead of default text?	[15:25]
marclaporte	not that and when they try, they get embedded plugin thing so user confusion	[15:25]
ricks99	mabye plugin icon should be disabled, by default	[15:26]
marclaporte	yes, maybe	[15:26]
ricks99	have also noticed, plugin icon destroys page formatting (in display mode) example the TAG plugin-- the edit plugn causes a line break :(	[15:27]
xavi	+1 to plugin icon disabled by default	[15:28]
marclaporte	1- admin installs Tiki, 2- goes to edit section 3, and gets blank page	[15:28]
ricks99	my {poll pollID=xx} is showing comments ? wtf?	[15:29]
marclaporte	on default install, there is one too many edit buttons	[15:30]
xavi	btw, in a trial of upgrade i did yesterday, the centering tag (:: {img src=foo.jpg} ::) didn't work for me anymore	[15:31]
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MatWho	hi	[15:32]
marclaporte	hi MatWho	[15:32]
xavi	hi MatWho btw2: on that upgrade trial from 2.4 to 3beta4, structures became disabled by the upgrade process	[15:33]
marclaporte	xavi: : it's because they are now optional	[15:35]
ricks99	@xavi: y, i hit that, 200	[15:35]
marclaporte	xavi: : please add things like that to release notes	[15:35]
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chibaguy	Does the business web presence profile not include the menus now?	[15:36]
marclaporte	chibaguy: : in Intranet profile, coe.css, the search box is too big	[15:36]
chibaguy	I installed with that profile (backed up after error with blog profile), and mostly it installed but no menus. ok, I'll check that. I noticed also recent problems with the search even with a plain install. (search form background images out of alignment, and header area too tall) Weird how these things happen at this point after weeks/months of massaging things into place. I guess because the number of file changes increases as release nears. Still no strasa 'warm' theme option....	[15:36]
marclaporte	MatWho & ricks99: on Bare bones install, after admin logins, if (s)he clicks on the last edit plugin button, they get _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ to edit. If they do so, what happens is unituitive	[15:40]
chibaguy	Maybe that empty css file should be removed until it does something.	[15:41]
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marclaporte	edit plugin is a huge advance for usability when it works	[15:43]
ricks99	anyone.... pls look at http://www.keycontent.org/twbasics30/ in the WHAT DO YOU THINK module, why is "TPL: tiki-plugin_poll.tpl > " being displayed?	[15:44]
marclaporte	MatWho: : can you check in Blog profile, why blog is not appearing as home page?	[15:45]
MatWho	ok	[15:45]
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chibaguy	ricks99, I think you need to turn off the generating of tpl start/end tags.	[15:47]
nyloth	Hi all :)	[15:47]
chibaguy	I understand they are only for dev debugging, not for live sites.	[15:47]
ricks99	@chibaguy: but why only appearing for the poll pluing? its not appearing for any others?	[15:47]
marclaporte	poll plugin is doing weirdness	[15:48]
ricks99	(still debugging the upgrade)	[15:48]
chibaguy	well, I don't know, but it could be having an effect. Actually in Opera 9, the page displays as only yellow... ...after a brief glipse of your page as intended.	[15:48]
ricks99	argh	[15:48]
nyloth	marclaporte: I commited more fixes and improvements to the release script. Intereactive mode should now work fine on your system, so no need to use all the --options. Just use it as explained in the howto (php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0)	[15:49]
chibaguy	But the tpl markers do affect the page display.	[15:49]
marclaporte	nyloth: : thanks!	[15:50]
nyloth	marclaporte: it was my pleasure :)	[15:50]
chibaguy	bedtime here. will try to get onto rc1 things tomorrow...	[15:50]
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ricks99	turned off the tpl option. that fixed it. but why only showing in poll plugin i wonder... bbl	[15:51]
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marclaporte	Can someone fix the two plugins ? EQUATION Fatal error: Class 'LatexRender' not found in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_equation.php on line 49 SHARE Fatal error: Call to undefined function wikiplugin_submit() in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_share.php on line 87 or maybe we should remove these two plugins?	[15:54]
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xavi	+1 to remove in 3.0	[15:57]
marclaporte	everyone: please install profiles and as you find features with bugs, turn off from profile (or fix bug if you can) profiles should have out of the box well working features I am having trouble to estimate how many resources have how much time today to help squash the last bugs sadly, there is no one at TikiFest that can be useful at the moment I am alone	[16:03]
xavi	in 1h or so I can be full time. Sorru, not now (fixing big furniture problems at home)	[16:09]
marclaporte	There are some people new to Tiki and I can spend to time to teach them And the Citadel Rock crew didn't come because Nelson is ill and they just got back from long travelling at shows to present Tiki MatWho: : did you find bug?	[16:09]
nyloth	marclaporte: sorry, I'm not available enough to fix bugs, I have urgent work to finish first - but I can give help or advices for the final release	[16:10]
marclaporte	tks nyloth: how about the xss thing?	[16:11]
MatWho	marclaporte: EQUATION has external dependancies so could be fixed with documentation.	[16:11]
nyloth	marclaporte: you're right... I'll do this right now to be sure its done before the release hi MatWho :)	[16:11]
MatWho	nyloth: hi	[16:11]
marclaporte	nyloth: I svn upped. If I run with --no-tagging, is this a good test run?	[16:11]
nyloth	marclaporte: with --no-tagging and in interactive mode, it should be ok, but you have to answer 'n' when it asks to commit	[16:12]
marclaporte	MatWho: : it should also be fixed in the code to give a graceful error message	[16:12]
MatWho	ok	[16:12]
marclaporte	patricia is not here today, so I have to figure this out :-)	[16:13]
nyloth	marclaporte: after running the whole script, you will have uncommited changes on files like copyright.txt, etc. You will be able to see changed files with : svn status	[16:13]
marclaporte	ok super.	[16:14]
nyloth	and to see differences: svn diff	[16:14]
marclaporte	nyloth: : even though we took a lot of time yesterday for this (time we didn't have), I think it was still a good decision because we are improving our release process so 3.1 will be even easier	[16:14]
nyloth	and then, remove changes to be sure they will not be commited later: for each FILE (listed in svn status): svn revert FILE	[16:14]
marclaporte	hmm, not sure I understand this last part won't files be fixed when I run for real?	[16:15]
nyloth	marclaporte: when you run for real, the first step that will commit something (like the README file) will commit your other changes	[16:16]
marclaporte	ah This page looks good: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release	[16:17]
nyloth	marclaporte: the easiest way to avoid this, if you don't want to use "svn revert", is to use a clean checkout each time marclaporte: you are not forced to do an "svn checkout ..." each time, but you can copy the whole directory with "cp -a YOUR_CLEAN_CHECKOUT TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY" so, after running the script on the TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY, just remove it with "rm -rf TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY" and you will be able to do the final real run on the clean checkout	[16:17]
marclaporte	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_OBJECT_OPERATOR in /home/tikirelease/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php on line 69 grrrr	[16:19]
nyloth	marclaporte: did you use php5	[16:19]
marclaporte	still the php5 things	[16:19]
nyloth	? there is a test for php version now, but php4 probably stops before doing the test due to unknown syntax... will have to do a real test on php4 to see how to solve this but it's not so important. PHP5 is a requirement listed in the doc :)	[16:19]
marclaporte	yes it's just that my server is strange This /usr/local/php5/bin/php doc/devtools/release.php --no-tagging 3.0 rc2 works	[16:21]
nyloth	you made all steps with success ? (except commits I suppose ;) )	[16:22]
marclaporte	so far, so good	[16:22]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18389 10/branches/3.0/README: [REL] Update README file for 3.0rc2	[16:23]
marclaporte	oups no!	[16:23]
nyloth	lol	[16:23]
marclaporte	hahaha do we have somewhere the number of peope and commits in 3.0 vs 2.0? must be thousands of commits	[16:23]
nyloth	marclaporte: no, I don't think so marclaporte: yes maybe thousands, but I don't think we have this number somewhere	[16:24]
marclaporte	ok	[16:25]
nyloth	marclaporte: even the copyrights.txt is generated with the number of total commits of people, to better represent their work in the community.	[16:25]
marclaporte	that is great	[16:25]
caralluna	isn't that number registered in sf?	[16:25]
nyloth	marclaporte: so, when releasing 3.1, it will include my work on 4.0 ... and it includes, for example, LPH work on trim caralluna: you have those numbers in copyright.txt, but its all branches together before the current date	[16:25]
marclaporte	ah that's good. It's all one project	[16:27]
nyloth	yes	[16:27]
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marclaporte	xavi furniture has cut Internet connection!	[16:31]
nyloth	marclaporte: another thing about release.php. It has initially been made to build tarballs using the tag of the release. So, if you use it for rc2 with --no-tagging and without commiting, it won't be able to build tarballs since the tag won't exist. To be able to make tarballs without the tag, you have to make a pre-release, like this: php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0 prerc2	[16:32]
marclaporte	ah	[16:33]
nyloth	if the subrelease is prefixed by 'pre', it implies that no tag will be created	[16:33]
marclaporte	that is the closest to php doc/devtools/release.php --testrun ?	[16:34]
nyloth	yes, but the only difference with the command line you used is that tarballs step will really work	[16:35]
marclaporte	ok	[16:35]
nyloth	I think I should add a --testrun or --dry-run option which also auto-answer 'n' to all commits questions A bit later if I have time enough :)	[16:36]
marclaporte	ok, I will add to ideas section	[16:36]
nyloth	ok :)	[16:36]
marclaporte	>> Retrieved members list from Sourceforge. Retrieving logs from revision 8388 to 13388 .... svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/tikiwiki/!svn/bc/13388'	[16:39]
nyloth	marclaporte: don't worry marclaporte: sourceforge has some problems with our repository for approx. 20 commits when retrieving logs marclaporte: but those errors are not a problem for the release process marclaporte: I should have hidden them from display...	[16:39]
marclaporte	ok	[16:41]
nyloth	marclaporte: this "Retrieving logs" step takes ages due to the slow servers and/or bandwith of SF.net marclaporte: this is a part I would like to move to release.tw.o so release script will just have to retrieve one up-to-date file from there	[16:41]
marclaporte	ricks99 : & all: can we throw full text instead of _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_? Right now, it messes section edit and edit plugin helper (like it was before)	[16:42]
nyloth	marclaporte: replacing _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ by the whole string ?	[16:43]
marclaporte	yes {TR} plugin should be off by default anyway	[16:43]
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nyloth	the problem is that any change to the english version (which may change often) will break the translation...	[16:44]
marclaporte	Ideally, this type of intro text should be generated by profiles, where it's easy to maintain	[16:44]
nyloth	does profiles handles translations in this case ?	[16:45]
marclaporte	I checked and only French version has been added to lang files we could easily make French profiles	[16:45]
nyloth	marclaporte: yes, french is the most up-to-date language :)	[16:45]
marclaporte	let me think of better	[16:45]
nyloth	If xavi wants to translate the homepage its very easy right now...	[16:46]
marclaporte	yes, but it has to wait for next version of Tiki	[16:46]
nyloth	with profiles, if you have to make a spanish profile, it will be harder why ?	[16:46]
marclaporte	tr needs to be added to language files so it's added to 3.1 no?	[16:47]
nyloth	xavi (for example, not necessarily him :) ) can commit the translation right now for spanish in language.php . Nothing more is needed	[16:47]
marclaporte	yes, but waits for 3.1 unless he does today	[16:47]
nyloth	well, not if commited today I suppose ;) yes :)	[16:48]
marclaporte	ihehe if we figure out a good way with profiles, it becomes living marclaporte thinks...	[16:48]
nyloth	I agree with you that the content should be handled by profiles. But I disagree to have one profile per language	[16:49]
marclaporte	yes, that would be madness but	[16:49]
nyloth	And we also need to keep a homepage content for barebone install which should not use remote profiles	[16:49]
marclaporte	profiles can be included in profiles so perhaps localized profle can be used at the end, and override English stuff	[16:49]
nyloth	then why not, but the installer has to be a bit modified to automatically get the profile for the language, if exists, and fallback to the main english one if not impossible to do this for 3.0 If there is a good solution, I can help :)	[16:50]
marclaporte	:-)	[16:54]
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marclaporte	MatWho: : any luck on Blog profile bug?	[16:56]
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marclaporte	why does edit plugin cause a line break?	[16:57]
luminoso	on RC1 file upload unzip is broKen utf8 filenames	[17:00]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18391 10/branches/3.0/tiki-filter-base.php: [SEC] quick fix for XSS vulnerability that was already fixed in 2.x (revision 17883)	[17:11]
MatWho	just getting ready got distracted by a phone call	[17:14]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18392 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off plugin edit helper on barebones install because of http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2472 and rogue line-break which sometimes appears. This is unfortunate because it's otherwise great to improve UI.	[17:35]
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MatWho	marclaporte: fixed blog home page issue, problem in proifile now fixed no need for code commit There is a big problem with strassa and blogs on safari	[17:50]
marclaporte	not just Safari	[17:54]
conner_bw	I'm downloading the 3.0 branch from SVN. Anyone want to assign a newbie a small bug to fix? I'll see if I can do anything within the next few hours in an attempt to learn the system (I'm Dac btw, the straggler who hangs out at the Tiki beer parties) At worse, I fail to do anything. At best, I send a diff.	[18:02]
marclaporte	dac: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Other Several admin panels tiki-admin.php?page=xyz are displaying incorrect feedback about which features are turned on/off (Marc) go to :tiki-admin.php?page=login and turn on thing on or off. And you will see many feedback messages by error	[18:04]
conner_bw	k thanks	[18:05]
marclaporte	thank you!!	[18:06]
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MatWho	marclaporte: looking in template file now for blog bug	[18:17]
marclaporte	MatWho: tks	[18:17]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18393 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-assignpermission.tpl: [FIX] fix doc link	[18:24]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03matwho * r18394 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] Fixed problem with divs not matching	[18:55]
MatWho	marclaporte: fixed blog, need to get food back later	[18:55]
marclaporte	tks	[18:56]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18395 10/branches/3.0/ (db/tiki.sql lib/setup/prefs.php): [MOD] On barebones clean installs, use login in header instead of module, because 1- Some profiles don't need to login and it's easy to turn off. A few profiles will have login module though. 2- It looks nicer.	[19:08]
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wikitikiinfo	again so many same people.. an again i?m hi guys i hope me can someone tell how i can unlock the installer i want test the speed on a new server for now it says internal server error when i want go to tiki-install.php i copy all things from one to the other server and install the same database. but for now i not change the local.php in db i try to do the same like http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Move+Tiki+to+a+new+server but it not works i become the server error can someone tell me PLLEEEAAASSSEE what i can do to unlock the installer i locked it today on the first server	[19:14]
conner_bw	nyloth: ping	[19:18]
wikitikiinfo	hello ?	[19:18]
conner_bw	What's up with the simple_set_toggle() function? There should be a third choice maybe? yes, no, and we've never done this so set to whatever the prefs file says?	[19:18]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : destroy one file db/lock	[19:18]
conner_bw	right now it's inverting a bunch of 'y' when it should, maybe, be saying set it to whatever, as this is the first time file: tiki-admin.php	[19:19]
nyloth	conner_bw: yes ? :)	[19:19]
wikitikiinfo	what file i should destroy ? marclaporte ? oh haha db/lock thanks	[19:19]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18396 10/branches/3.0/db/ (6 files): [DB] syncdb	[19:20]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : didn't the page tell you that? nyloth: : conner_bw is trying to solve unwanted error messages on first run at tiki-admin.php?page=login	[19:20]
wikitikiinfo	no, for now i read only server error 500	[19:22]
marclaporte	oh I see	[19:22]
conner_bw	the errors happen because neither of the two conditions are met on the first encounter of certain variables	[19:22]
wikitikiinfo	when i try to call a normal html page it work , but on tikiwiki nothing	[19:22]
marclaporte	it's because of file perms	[19:22]
nyloth	conner_bw: for which pref ?	[19:23]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : if you look in your error logs, you'll probably see that file was blocked because perms were too lax ex.: 777 wikitikiinfo: : if you have shell, run sh setup.sh	[19:23]
wikitikiinfo	i try to run setup.sh per ssh but it not allowed it writes. oh thanks for the tip !	[19:23]
conner_bw	nyloth: http://pastebin.ca/1411435	[19:24]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : usually, error messages are harmeless, you just keep on going	[19:24]
conner_bw	(i put the debug => there myself) Everything with debug => 2 is unwanted behaviour... i.e. those should be accepted, not toggled This only happens the first time	[19:24]
wikitikiinfo	setup.sh give me the server answer Operation not permitted	[19:25]
conner_bw	every other run, it's fine because it's set	[19:25]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : also: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Manual+Installation	[19:25]
wikitikiinfo	i will try to change it on my own. not all.. but.. thanks !	[19:25]
luciash	polom polom conner_bw: hey dac :)	[19:25]
nyloth	conner_bw: I used to fix a lot of those problems recently. You can have a look at revision 18220 for example	[19:25]
conner_bw	the other solution is to change all those 'y' yo 'n' in prefs.php but that seems shortsighted maybe? luciash: hello :)	[19:25]
nyloth	conner_bw: the problem is usually that the default pref in lib/setup/pref.php is not a value that is in the template	[19:26]
conner_bw	let me try to modify the function and submit a diff that you guys/girls can peer review or outright reject	[19:26]
luciash	conner_bw: i believed they happen because they're leftovers from revamping/moving the admin preferences from one page to another and they become disabled of course because someone forgot to add the prefs checkboxes or something or remove from pages weher they were removed in tpls s/weher/where/	[19:27]
nyloth	conner_bw: also have a look at commit revision 18226	[19:28]
luciash	conner_bw: as nyloth says :)	[19:28]
nyloth	hi luci :)	[19:29]
luciash	hi patrice :) wth the action icons next to articles moved again since yesterday in strasa ?	[19:31]
nyloth	conner_bw: let me precise that there should be no need to change any function...	[19:34]
wikitikiinfo	marclaporte:: i think the setup.sh works, i look to the permissions and the most files have 777 or 755 marclaporte:: the same i read on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Install+by+FTP&bl=y page	[19:34]
luciash	conner_bw: yup, only the input names in tiki-admin-include... tpl files should match the toggles in their php counterparts	[19:36]
wikitikiinfo	marclaporte::i delete now the lock from db and make the entrys in local.php marclaporte:: you have any idea ? server error 500. or someone else ? luciash maybe ?	[19:36]
marclaporte	wikitikiinfo: : look at your error logs	[19:38]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18397 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files): tikiwiki: [FIX] Removing quick_edit and since_last_visit_new modules from barebones tikiwiki: install. 1- These modules are amazing and will be in use in most profiles. tikiwiki: However, it's better to add them via profiles as we have more control over which tikiwiki: group gets to see them. Sometimes, we want registered users to see and tikiwiki: sometimes, we want only Admins.	[19:38]
wikitikiinfo	marclaporte:: hmm where i can find ?	[19:39]
marclaporte	ask your server admin	[19:39]
wikitikiinfo	no i mean the tikiwiki error log	[19:40]
marclaporte	could be in admin panel or a text file which is generated on your server well, if it breaks before it gets to tiki, how could tiki log?	[19:40]
wikitikiinfo	ok ok.. i try on the panel to find. thanks !	[19:40]
marclaporte	tikilogs are at tiki-syslog.php once tiki works, but if you still have issues: you can install this profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled	[19:42]
wikitikiinfo	i will try it also . thank you again for the link. the log says " SoftException in Application.cpp:252: File "	[19:48]
marclaporte	what else?	[19:48]
wikitikiinfo	is writeable by group to the install-tiki.php	[19:48]
marclaporte	so change that	[19:50]
wikitikiinfo	haha ok you mean to normal 777 or what?	[19:50]
marclaporte	nyloth: : I get same error on my server than wikitikiinfo. I suspect many people will as well. It would great if we could set these in the package or svn. try 775 or 664	[19:51]
wikitikiinfo	is the same with 777 775 or 664 error log says tiki-install.php" is writeable by group (i refresh my browser) no idea... but you know i move from an other server away to that one.	[19:54]
marclaporte	this page looks a little strange, no? http://tikiwiki.org/forums wikitikiinfo: : so remove writeable by group	[19:55]
wikitikiinfo	hahaha i explode...	[19:55]
luciash	sorry for my wth, it affects the look of bottom actions in strasa when articles comments are enabled :-/	[19:57]
wikitikiinfo	ok i will try to remove, in hat way ever.. the writeable by group. guys i with you all something ... i will try all things tomorrow. maybe i can change my complete site to the other server for more speed. .. but for now BY! Thanks for the help!	[19:57]
luciash	marclaporte: strange the repeated forum sections title ?	[20:00]
marclaporte	luciash: : yes that's new and not better, IMNSHO	[20:00]
luciash	i don't know, haven't looked at forums long time someone could svn up tw.o though means ohertel ?	[20:00]
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marclaporte	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=test&search=Go -> search is broken	[20:02]
luciash	maybe change to searchindex there ? marclaporte: it's slow but worksforme the link you gave	[20:02]
marclaporte	try as anon	[20:04]
luciash	ah, as anon	[20:04]
marclaporte	ricks99 & nyloth: {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR} is confusing for new users becase it conflicts with section edit	[20:05]
luciash	+1 to rollback to previous full editable content from me	[20:07]
marclaporte	can we still have it multilingual?	[20:07]
luciash	i think so, wasn't it in {TR()} before too ? but i would prefer to put in {TR()} by sentences instead of whole page content	[20:11]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18398 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [DEL] Removing Customer Extranet profile because it won't be ready in time.	[20:16]
marclaporte	conner_bw: : are winning?	[20:18]
conner_bw	losing big time :(	[20:18]
xavi1	hi all again back (after electricity cut for a couple of hours)	[20:19]
conner_bw	The quick fix is to change the following to 'n' in prefs.php auth_ldap_memberisdn, pam_create_user_tiki, pam_skip_admin, shib_create_user_tiki, shib_skip_admin	[20:20]
xavi1	I have 90min. aprox. nyltoh: I'm ok with translation of homepage	[20:20]
conner_bw	But the problem is that simple_set_toggle is sometimes called without ever considering that this is the first time a value is being set, therefore it should not be toggled, but inserted as is	[20:21]
xavi1	forums in tw.o are ok to me, btw	[20:23]
nyloth	luciash: it was not translated before...	[20:24]
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xavi1	http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes3.0 produces 404 not found nyloth: what should I translate for the homepage?	[20:26]
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xavi1	well, or where is it? in language.php?	[20:26]
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nyloth	xavi1: look at lang/fr/language.php .... it's the special string _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ (for now...)	[20:27]
xavi	ok btw, search is also broken for normal users (at least) in tw.o: example: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=ReleaseProcess&search=Go	[20:27]
marclaporte	luciash & nyloth: conner_bw is quite new to Tiki and doesn't know what default values should be in admin-login. Can someone volunteer	[20:27]
nyloth	marclaporte: we can automatically transform _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ into the real content when creating the page, like what is already done when editing the page	[20:27]
marclaporte	? nyloth: : real content is excellent (and localized) so we don't use TR and users are not confused	[20:27]
nyloth	conner_bw is no more there. Default values can simply be the same as what is already done when saving the panel the first time. marclaporte: yes but your page will just be in the lang of the installation. Changing the lang after that will not auto-translate the page, like today marclaporte: but as you wish	[20:28]
marclaporte	I still think it will cause less issues. People can pick language in installer now. and for 4.0, we'll make sure to have i18n in profiles. So people pick Intranet + fr and they get localized content	[20:30]
nyloth	I don't have free time right now, just dealing with urgencies. Please add it to the list of blockers, I'll do it when I will have time. Or maybe someone else will be able to do before me	[20:31]
marclaporte	actually, Olaf, Alain & I have already started to DogFood i18 profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Multilingual_Glossary nyloth, ok tks maybe sylvieg will show up :-)	[20:33]
xavi	xavi is translating the homepage content into Catalan and Spanish	[20:34]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03gezzzan * r18399 10/branches/3.0/lang/hu/language.php: more HUN translation	[20:36]
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xavi	marclaporte: is there any place for discussion on what should be enabled by default in a bare-bones installation?	[20:46]
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xavi	i've just finished one (with 3rc1) and I found less things than the one a newbie would expect (imho)	[20:47]
marclaporte	xavi: please start a wiki page on profiles.tikiwiki.org	[20:47]
xavi	before learning about profiles, I would expect ... ok	[20:47]
marclaporte	what do you have in mind?	[20:48]
xavi	I'll add that to my todo (for tonight or tomorrow)	[20:48]
marclaporte	barebones should be secure, and stuff that everyone needs	[20:48]
otrotabi	hi, I need advice to make up my mind, I installed tikiwiki 3.0 (basically because if the svn update feature) but I´m facing small problems pretty often, and don´t know how to troubleshoot them (at least not quickly enough), should I install 2.4 and wait until 3.0 is further developed ?	[20:48]
xavi	I would expect a siwtch_theme, (switch_lang maybe), and search_box, at least	[20:48]
marclaporte	otrotabi: : what feature?	[20:48]
otrotabi	now, for example, I can´t access "User modules" in the admin features	[20:49]
marclaporte	xavi: on a public-facing corporate site, I don't want switch theme	[20:49]
xavi	when logged in as admin, I mean ^marclaporte even in a corporate environment, the it reviewing tiki, when logged as admin, they would like to test other themes.... so at least for admin... xavi keeps going with the translation of the homepage	[20:49]
marclaporte	xavi: yes maybe we could add that to a wiki page, only visible to admins?	[20:51]
xavi	yes, marclaporte: not too steep learning curve for new admins	[20:51]
marclaporte	it could be a new tiki admin wiki page, with many such links (users, groups, etc.)	[20:52]
xavi	and, imho, I would add a line at homepage_content about profiles. i.e.: "Notice that you can fine tune your installation by installing other profiles, which will help you configure your tiki installation to meet your needs. Review http://profiles.tikiwiki.org for more information" or similar	[20:52]
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marclaporte	xavi: : we have a technical limitation now. Modules added in tiki.sql cannot be managed by profiles. So if we add a module for all, we have no way of editing (groups,etc) and thus, we end up with duplicate modules. which is why I removed as many as possible	[20:54]
xavi	mmmm, ok. Why not then adding just some modules for admin?	[20:55]
marclaporte	for 4.0, 1- barebones profile should be managed using the profile manager, 2- It would be nice to be able to remove modules, and thus have more flexibility	[20:56]
xavi	and through profiles, the admin can go adding new features (and modules maybe?) for other groups in his/her site, etc. Does this make sense to you?	[20:56]
marclaporte	xavi: because if we add for Registered, we'll have in double yes, with profiles can do a lot There is a profile to test themes I thinl think	[20:56]
xavi	so, are you ok to add those modules only for the admin user?: search_box, switch_theme, switch_lang and since_last_visit_new for admin?	[20:58]
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xavi	I suggest this in order to lower the learning curve for new admins or reviewers of tiki capabilites...	[20:59]
conner_bw	One whitespace committed.... WOOOOOOOU	[20:59]
marclaporte	conner_bw: : congrats!! conner_bw: : you can read log of when you were gone: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-05-03,Sun xavi: we will end up with duplicates xavi: better to put in a wiki page, called admin	[21:01]
xavi	for admins only, not for others	[21:02]
marclaporte	yes, but it doesn't work	[21:02]
xavi	ok	[21:02]
marclaporte	I will try to explain a third time If you do that, it will work BUT	[21:02]
otrotabi	sorry to insist, do you think for a newbie I should go straight to 3.0 or should I wait ?	[21:02]
xavi	otrotabi: go for 2.4	[21:03]
marclaporte	If you also want Registered to have it, you will end up with two modules, one for Admins and one for Registered	[21:03]
xavi	and in some weeks time, when you are ok with the huge amount of features that you have in tiki 2.4, then ou can review tiki3... :-)	[21:03]
otrotabi	thanks xavi	[21:03]
xavi	marclaporte: I understood. Ok. Then, I would suggest again to add some cler note in the homepage about optional profiles for fine tunning your installation "easily" (in theory) like the line suggest previously	[21:05]
marclaporte	otrotabi: did you report bugs on dev.tw.o?	[21:05]
xavi	my 2 cents	[21:05]
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marclaporte	xavi: +1.	[21:18]
xavi	xavi is testing now the blog profile marclaporte: fyi, multitiki in subdirectories is feasible by hand (avoiding the errors from tiki-install.php). And thus, it's feasible by ftp (although tedious) I'll explain to that guy in tw.o/forums after 3.0 is released, and hopfully, document it somewhere in doc.tw.o	[21:18]
marclaporte	doc.tikiwiki.org/manual+installation xavi ^^	[21:25]
xavi	ok	[21:25]
marclaporte	xavi: that guy is also trying to use .htaccess and I suspect that will not work	[21:26]
xavi	it does work :-)	[21:26]
marclaporte	He should try one thing at a time yes, works alone, but could conflict with other things	[21:26]
xavi	I agree. but htaccess worked for me on multitiki in subdirectories	[21:26]
marclaporte	ok InterTiki with preference/group transfer seems better to mne	[21:27]
xavi	I did document years ago that .htaccess when multitiki in subdirs... when doc.tw.o was on the ohter server, and I had access to that server... mmm, marclaporte: I did the installation in catalan, selected profile for personal blog, however the homepage is not in Catalan but in English I cleared tiki cache... I would have expected to see that homepage in Catalan....	[21:27]
marclaporte	marclaporte knows the frsutration of not having access to server	[21:29]
xavi	xavi wonders where is amette	[21:29]
marclaporte	I hope is getting cloned we have lots of work for him!	[21:29]
xavi	so marclaporte, how should a user proceed to get the hoepaage seen in his/her installation language? if possible, of course I thought I read a discussion hours ago about it, and it seemed to be possible, from what I reaad from your discussion	[21:30]
marclaporte	xavi: : dunno, but I suspect nyloth knows because it works for French	[21:30]
xavi	:-) xavi wonders how nyloth managed to make it work for him :-)	[21:30]
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marclaporte	me wonders how many times we have to use the word "nyloth" until he notices... xavi: maybe barebones install, when you pick a language in the installer?	[21:34]
xavi	ok, I'll try again later (testing something else with profiles now marclaporte: proposal for step 3 in homepaeg_content: "Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org\|through profiles]"	[21:38]
marclaporte	try barebones	[21:40]
xavi	it worked with bare-bones, not with personal blog I have only 5 min left for tonight marclaporte: what do you think about my addition to step 3? if I'm new to tiki, with the deafult homepage, it's not clear to me that I can quickly enable features through profiles, etc.	[21:42]
marclaporte	+1 to promote profiles but remember that that will change translation for French	[21:43]
nyloth	xavi: homepage does not work for you ?	[21:44]
xavi	yes, it does in install language, with bare-bones	[21:44]
nyloth	xavi: it should work after a fresh install and before you edit the page	[21:44]
xavi	it didn't with blog. I'll double check	[21:44]
nyloth	marclaporte: lol, I'm just very busy :)	[21:45]
marclaporte	hehe if you need something done, ask someone who is busy :-)	[21:46]
nyloth	:)	[21:46]
marclaporte	luciash: : you around?	[21:47]
xavi	nyloth: nowadays it worked in my installer lang. I dunno what happened before	[21:47]
nyloth	xavi: ok, great :)	[21:47]
xavi	good work with the i18n of the homepage	[21:47]
nyloth	xavi: the solution is not perfect, marc is not happy at all :)	[21:48]
xavi	nyltoh: what do you think about my proposal to put this as the 3rd step in homepage content: "Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org\|through profiles]" s / nyltoh / nyloth	[21:48]
nyloth	xavi: yes, why not. I'm just a little sad that barebone will be too much empty for newbies, just because barebone is not a local profile yet (which should be done one day)	[21:50]
xavi	nyloth: I had the same sensation with bare-bones half an hour ago: too empty for admin-newbies	[21:53]
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xavi	this could be solved, as suggested by marclaporte, by adding an "admin page", add cotent to it, and asign that page to user admin by default, so that when he/she logs in , he/she see much more info? hi chibaguy-late-at-night-in-japan?	[21:54]
chibaguy	No, it's about 7am.	[21:54]
marclaporte	what would be really cool: a profile plugin. Ex.: {profile install=Test all themes} So we could have an admin wiki page with direct links to get various things done.	[21:54]
nyloth	hi chibaguy	[21:54]
chibaguy	hi guys I was surprised to see matwho's blog-post tpl div fix at this late stage. but now the strasa theme breaks on blog post, for me.	[21:54]
xavi	Hola soy Gloria, nos vamos a dormir :-)	[21:56]
chibaguy	If there was a problem with strasa's blog post template, probably the fix should have been in strasa's own tpl for that page. maybe mat wasn't aware strasa has its own. Today I'll be away from the computer most of the day but will check again the templates ,also in safari.	[21:57]
luciash	luciash re-poloms in	[22:02]
xavi	xavi poloms-out. g'night all	[22:03]
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chibaguy	bbl	[22:04]
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luciash	nyloth: i think it's good thing that bare-bone (default) installation is not remote-dependent profile at least one shouldn't be dependent on internet connection/profiles repository availability	[22:18]
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luciash	luciash wonders how the blog thingie can be fixed when only changed thing in diff is removed smarty comment: {</div>}	[22:25]
nyloth	luciash: yes, barebone has to remain remote. What I said is that it has to be a real profile, but a local one. This way, it will be possible to add items that will not be already installed when installing other profiles s/has to remain remote/has to remain local/	[22:27]
luciash	nyloth: ah, sorry, didn't know the new profiles can be local too	[22:29]
nyloth	luciash: never tested that, but the lib apparently is supposed to handle this case and for me its the best way	[22:29]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18403 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-register.tpl tiki-remind_password.tpl): [FIX] Removing link to doc.tikiwiki.org because it's currently irrelevant content at the other end.	[22:33]
luciash	hmm, shouldn't the fix be the other way around ? ;)	[22:34]
marclaporte	luciash: : do you have time for a cosmetic fix?	[22:34]
luciash	keep in templates but fix doc.tw.o content ? marclaporte: depends :)	[22:35]
marclaporte	luciash: : we are in emergency mode now only a few more hours to release the profiles are still shit	[22:35]
luciash	delay can be always announced, what cosmetic fix ?	[22:36]
marclaporte	they don't have to be perfect because we can improve all the time	[22:36]
luciash	luciash testing the blog problem now	[22:36]
marclaporte	I have been working on this every day for weeks now I am not going to continue this is my last day if someone else wants to do it, be my guest but there is a reason we chose time-based releases So I say we release in best possible state We have branched two monthes ago	[22:36]
luciash	ok ok marc, what was the cosmetic fix agai n? ;)	[22:39]
marclaporte	:-) :-) top bar: "I forgot my password" is either missing or glues on to "Register" in all themes except thenews.css Use Collaborative_Community and switch themes to see	[22:39]
luciash	if i switch profile i lost all my previous content ?	[22:40]
marclaporte	no	[22:40]
luciash	ah, i'll try then :) luciash confirms blog layout broken in strasa	[22:41]
marclaporte	profiles do no delete content they can turn off features though wait	[22:42]
luciash	and add content like trackers ?	[22:43]
marclaporte	they can replace content in preferences (like site title)	[22:43]
luciash	oh	[22:43]
marclaporte	say you have already tracker #1, profiles will detect and create tracker #2	[22:43]
luciash	can they replace my trackers too ? ok	[22:43]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03conner_bw * r18404 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] For issues with 'tiki-admin.php?page=login' and 'tiki-admin.php?page=metatags' pages	[22:43]
marclaporte	but we have a weirdness that Sylvie knows about	[22:43]
luciash	so only site identity stuff can be replaced ? (unwantedly)	[22:44]
marclaporte	any preference	[22:44]
luciash	i see	[22:44]
marclaporte	just read wiki page of profile to see what it does	[22:44]
luciash	"Warning: This will destroy your current database." if it will replace my previous testing content i'm gonna kill ya marc ;)	[22:46]
marclaporte	yes, if you use installer	[22:47]
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marclaporte	use profile manager	[22:47]
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marclaporte	or try on a new install	[22:47]
luciash	oh, damn, too late, i just used the installer :-p fsck you're lucky i was only kidding about killing you :-p	[22:47]
marclaporte	hehe	[22:48]
conner_bw	Hello, I have to leave one	[22:48]
luciash	conner_bw: one ?	[22:48]
conner_bw	The problem with the community page is described here: http://pastebin.com/m535a035e (now)	[22:48]
nyloth	conner_bw: thanx for the fixes :)	[22:48]
conner_bw	The community page requires someone who knows the feature, and decide which variables should be checked etc. Have fun guys and girls Good luck with the release.	[22:48]
marclaporte	conner_bw: : thanks and congrats on your first commits!	[22:49]
conner_bw	woooou ,see ya	[22:50]
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mib_89lqwm	hola! Isn't tikiwiki 3.0 supposed to be released today?	[23:11]
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mib_89lqwm	I guess this chan, doesn't get to much action.... I don't see 3.0 online yet, but found a link suggesting so yesterday: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tikiwiki+3.0 !help	[23:13]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18405 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (darkroom.css feb12.css): [FIX] darkroom and feb12 themes: give every sub-element of #siteloginbar some padding	[23:20]
luciash	mib_89lqwm: later today	[23:20]
mib_89lqwm	so it is real!	[23:21]
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mib_89lqwm	luciash: are you part of the dev team?	[23:24]
luciash	yup	[23:24]
mib_89lqwm	well, thanks for the good work!	[23:25]
luciash	we all just try our best ;)	[23:27]
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mib_89lqwm	:)	[23:34]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18406 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/strasa/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] blog: fix for strasa tpl layout problem tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18407 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] run get_strings to update fr translation file	[23:46]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18408 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: French translations tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18409 10/trunk/lib/ (setup/prefs.php tikilib.php): [ENH] email syntax: first step to move email syntax as a pref instead of an hardcoded value	[23:53]
marclaporte	luciash : good improvement on css, but shouldn;t there also be a space in the tpl?	[23:56]
luciash	marclaporte: sorry, didn't check tpl	[23:57]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18410 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] 1-Reduce height of iframe to avoid scrolling, 2-Add anchor so after sending email test, use is sent to same place.	[23:58]

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