#tikiwiki 2009-05-03,Sun

Chris111

your coffe is good ?

luminoso

maybe your host is shared?
i'm also a tikiwiki user and i don't notice any load lag

Chris111

yes strato is shared. but sooo slow.
i want not belive that it�s normal

luminoso

hum
where: try mine: http://luminoso.ws
beta4

Chris111

you can watch on http://login.zubehoerexperten.de

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Chris111

oh, no popup

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luminoso

wow this is slow

Chris111

what was the site again, please

luminoso

22seconds
lol

Chris111

yes.
i know

luminoso

http://luminoso.ws

Chris111

but what can i do???

luminoso

i think that your host sucks
lol
takes a long time to connect

Chris111

lol.. yes
but..

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luminoso

is mine also slow for you?

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Chris111

can it possible that i do something wrong on the site, that it slow down so extreme ?
no
it�s fast for me

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luminoso

hum
host problem?

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Chris111

extreme fast to mine..
maybe i try on site5 again..
what hoster you have?

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luminoso

vexxhost
and u?

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Chris111

strato
but also site5 on an other..
on the website itself it is very fast
but on the cms is takes extreme long time
shiiiitt!

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luminoso

go tou your cpanel
and check you machine loads

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Chris111

ok, when i�m on site5 i will try
but i connot check on strato

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luminoso

why not? you don't have cpanel?

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Chris111

not on strato.
nothing from this.
ok, i will try on site 5..
on my next installation.
luminoso, you use also 3.0?

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luminoso

yep
beta4
upgrading now to RC1

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Chris111

cool. and so fast !.. lol
have you a bomb to destroy strato please ?

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luminoso

lolz
it seems that strato is overselling

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Chris111

i think all the time, ok, maybe it is only the early version...
you have an own vserver there?
or it is hosted ?

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tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18386 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] release script: some small fixes and improvements:
tikiwiki: * Fix --no-tagging option to also skip the existing tag check and tag deletion
tikiwiki: * Avoid usage of 'mysql_real_escape_string' function if not needed when escaping filenames for SecDB
tikiwiki: If some filenames have to be escaped with this function, exist gracefully with a useful error message if no DB connection can be made
tikiwiki: * If PHP 'readline' extension is not available, fallback to a code that uses fgets instead
tikiwiki: * When parsing members data from SF.net, die with an error if 'iconv' is not available on the system

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tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18387 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/ (release.php svntools.php): [FIX] release script: quit the release script with an error if subversion requirements are not ok.
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18388 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: quit release script with an error if PHP version is less than 5

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hyphenex

hey, can someone walk me through setting up posting to my Wikiwiki user blog on a desktop app (Blogo on OSX)

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Sug4r

Naturally.

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hyphenex

sweet, all I've been getting are errors, what should I put as my 'blogs URL'?

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chibaguy

hyphenex: sorry, but Sug4r is just a bot.

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xavi

hyphenex: I did it once through BloGTK (Linux) or wBloggar for window$. http://gclub.ub.es/COM+publicar+via+clients+Blogger
unluckily it's in Catalan, but surely you can use machine translation from google of http://apertium.sf.net to get the bulk translated to english
aask if in doubt after you do some trial & errors... (we are still house working at home, and from time to time I can come to see irc )
hth

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hyphenex

xavi: sweet, I might give it a go with BloGTK then, so you're sure you've got it to work :)

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xavi

btw, that site is runnig 1.9.x
I haven't tried with 2.x ir 3.x

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hyphenex

oh, I'm using 2.2

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xavi

hyphenex: are you sure that this type of info is not under http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation ? (and in English)=
I might have translated that there years ago...

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hyphenex

xavi: I've looked, and found a reference wBloggar or something, but it didn't say much

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marclaporte

polom

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marclaporte

marclaporte waits for nyloth

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xavi

btw, marclaporte, congratulations for the hard work releaseing rc1 yesterday :-)
:-)

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marclaporte

tks, mostly Patricia & Patrice

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marclaporte

unfortunately, there are still many problems
and not enough people are helping
With profiles, for example
There are many big problems with http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Personal_Blog_and_Profile
and edit plugin doesn't work for plugins within plugins
and some of the default content does this
this will lead to many support requests

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xavi

"many big problems"?

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marclaporte

I think too few people have understood the power of profiles
go install blog profile
and ask yourself how this user experience compares to installing a blogging package
then, you tell me about big problems
custom home page doesn't work

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xavi

oups
doesn't work through profiles?
or doesn't work in tiki at all?

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chibaguy

marclaporte, I agree about the power of profiles, but it will take some time for them to catch on, I think.

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marclaporte

xavi: just try it

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ricks99

fwiw, my 3.0 upgrade went pretty smoothly...
still ironing out some issuees, but pretty good so far

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marclaporte

ricks99: : can we move {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR} to profiles

btiffin

Excuse the interrupt. Fanboy ... Just a cheer to the TikiCodeFesters. Go Tiki Go! Thanks for the efforts everyone.

marclaporte

ricks99: the edit plugin doesn't handle plugins within plugins

ricks99

@marclaporte: dont understand?

marclaporte

2 things

ricks99

y, i see that in smarties 3.0

marclaporte

1- In the bare-bones install, I do not want any text

ricks99

1. disagree. imho, there should always be some default text, let use know that the install went well
(like apache)

marclaporte

2- This type of content should be distributed by profiles as it's easier to edit in wiki pages
In all the profiles except barebones, we can put
I had some tests with some users
they see edit plugin buttons

chibaguy

"Internal Server Error" when trying to install blog profile :-(

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ricks99

test users preferred a blank home page? instead of default text?

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marclaporte

not that
and when they try, they get embedded plugin thing
so user confusion

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ricks99

mabye plugin icon should be disabled, by default

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marclaporte

yes, maybe

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ricks99

have also noticed, plugin icon *destroys* page formatting
(in display mode)
example the TAG plugin-- the edit plugn causes a line break :(

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xavi

+1 to plugin icon disabled by default

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marclaporte

1- admin installs Tiki, 2- goes to edit section 3, and gets blank page

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ricks99

my {poll pollID=xx} is showing comments ? wtf?

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marclaporte

on default install, there is one too many edit buttons

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xavi

btw, in a trial of upgrade i did yesterday, the centering tag (:: {img src=foo.jpg} ::) didn't work for me anymore

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MatWho

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marclaporte

hi MatWho

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xavi

hi MatWho
btw2: on that upgrade trial from 2.4 to 3beta4, structures became disabled by the upgrade process

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marclaporte

xavi: : it's because they are now optional

ricks99

@xavi: y, i hit that, 200

marclaporte

xavi: : please add things like that to release notes

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chibaguy

Does the business web presence profile not include the menus now?

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marclaporte

chibaguy: : in Intranet profile, coe.css, the search box is too big

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chibaguy

I installed with that profile (backed up after error with blog profile), and mostly it installed but no menus.
ok, I'll check that. I noticed also recent problems with the search even with a plain install.
(search form background images out of alignment, and header area too tall)
Weird how these things happen at this point after weeks/months of massaging things into place.
I guess because the number of file changes increases as release nears.
Still no strasa 'warm' theme option....

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marclaporte

MatWho & ricks99: on Bare bones install, after admin logins, if (s)he clicks on the last edit plugin button, they get _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ to edit. If they do so, what happens is unituitive

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chibaguy

Maybe that empty css file should be removed until it does something.

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marclaporte

edit plugin is a huge advance for usability when it works

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ricks99

anyone.... pls look at http://www.keycontent.org/twbasics30/ in the WHAT DO YOU THINK module, why is "TPL: tiki-plugin_poll.tpl > " being displayed?

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marclaporte

MatWho: : can you check in Blog profile, why blog is not appearing as home page?

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MatWho

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chibaguy

ricks99, I think you need to turn off the generating of tpl start/end tags.

nyloth

Hi all :)

chibaguy

I understand they are only for dev debugging, not for live sites.

ricks99

@chibaguy: but why only appearing for the poll pluing?
its not appearing for any others?

marclaporte

poll plugin is doing weirdness

ricks99

(still debugging the upgrade)

chibaguy

well, I don't know, but it could be having an effect. Actually in Opera 9, the page displays as only yellow...
...after a brief glipse of your page as intended.

ricks99

argh

nyloth

marclaporte: I commited more fixes and improvements to the release script. Intereactive mode should now work fine on your system, so no need to use all the --options. Just use it as explained in the howto (php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0)

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chibaguy

But the tpl markers do affect the page display.

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marclaporte

nyloth: : thanks!

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nyloth

marclaporte: it was my pleasure :)

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chibaguy

bedtime here. will try to get onto rc1 things tomorrow...

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ricks99

turned off the tpl option. that fixed it. but why only showing in poll plugin i wonder...
bbl

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marclaporte

Can someone fix the two plugins ? EQUATION Fatal error: Class 'LatexRender' not found in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_equation.php on line 49
SHARE Fatal error: Call to undefined function wikiplugin_submit() in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_share.php on line 87
or maybe we should remove these two plugins?

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xavi

+1 to remove in 3.0

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marclaporte

everyone: please install profiles and as you find features with bugs, turn off from profile (or fix bug if you can)
profiles should have out of the box well working features
I am having trouble to estimate how many resources have how much time today to help squash the last bugs
sadly, there is no one at TikiFest that can be useful at the moment
I am alone

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xavi

in 1h or so I can be full time. Sorru, not now (fixing big furniture problems at home)

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marclaporte

There are some people new to Tiki and I can spend to time to teach them
And the Citadel Rock crew didn't come because Nelson is ill and they just got back from long travelling at shows to present Tiki
MatWho: : did you find bug?

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nyloth

marclaporte: sorry, I'm not available enough to fix bugs, I have urgent work to finish first - but I can give help or advices for the final release

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marclaporte

tks nyloth: how about the xss thing?

MatWho

marclaporte: EQUATION has external dependancies so could be fixed with documentation.

nyloth

marclaporte: you're right... I'll do this right now to be sure its done before the release
hi MatWho :)

MatWho

nyloth: hi

marclaporte

nyloth: I svn upped. If I run with --no-tagging, is this a good test run?

nyloth

marclaporte: with --no-tagging and in interactive mode, it should be ok, but you have to answer 'n' when it asks to commit

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marclaporte

MatWho: : it should also be fixed in the code to give a graceful error message

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MatWho

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marclaporte

patricia is not here today, so I have to figure this out :-)

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nyloth

marclaporte: after running the whole script, you will have uncommited changes on files like copyright.txt, etc. You will be able to see changed files with : svn status

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marclaporte

ok super.

nyloth

and to see differences: svn diff

marclaporte

nyloth: : even though we took a lot of time yesterday for this (time we didn't have), I think it was still a good decision because we are improving our release process
so 3.1 will be even easier

nyloth

and then, remove changes to be sure they will not be commited later: for each FILE (listed in svn status): svn revert FILE

marclaporte

hmm, not sure I understand this last part
won't files be fixed when I run for real?

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nyloth

marclaporte: when you run for real, the first step that will commit something (like the README file) will commit your other changes

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marclaporte

ah
This page looks good: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release

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nyloth

marclaporte: the easiest way to avoid this, if you don't want to use "svn revert", is to use a clean checkout each time
marclaporte: you are not forced to do an "svn checkout ..." each time, but you can copy the whole directory with "cp -a YOUR_CLEAN_CHECKOUT TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY"
so, after running the script on the TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY, just remove it with "rm -rf TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY"
and you will be able to do the final real run on the clean checkout

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marclaporte

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_OBJECT_OPERATOR in /home/tikirelease/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php on line 69
grrrr

nyloth

marclaporte: did you use php5

marclaporte

still the php5 things

nyloth

?
there is a test for php version now, but php4 probably stops before doing the test due to unknown syntax...
will have to do a real test on php4 to see how to solve this
but it's not so important. PHP5 is a requirement listed in the doc :)

marclaporte

yes
it's just that my server is strange
This /usr/local/php5/bin/php doc/devtools/release.php --no-tagging 3.0 rc2
works

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nyloth

you made all steps with success ?
(except commits I suppose ;) )

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marclaporte

so far, so good

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18389 10/branches/3.0/README: [REL] Update README file for 3.0rc2

marclaporte

oups
no!

nyloth

lol

marclaporte

hahaha
do we have somewhere the number of peope and commits in 3.0 vs 2.0?
must be thousands of commits

nyloth

marclaporte: no, I don't think so
marclaporte: yes maybe thousands, but I don't think we have this number somewhere

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marclaporte

nyloth

marclaporte: even the copyrights.txt is generated with the number of total commits of people, to better represent their work in the community.

marclaporte

that is great

caralluna

isn't that number registered in sf?

nyloth

marclaporte: so, when releasing 3.1, it will include my work on 4.0 ... and it includes, for example, LPH work on trim
caralluna: you have those numbers in copyright.txt, but its all branches together before the current date

marclaporte

ah that's good. It's all one project

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nyloth

yes

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marclaporte

xavi furniture has cut Internet connection!

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nyloth

marclaporte: another thing about release.php. It has initially been made to build tarballs using the tag of the release. So, if you use it for rc2 with --no-tagging and without commiting, it won't be able to build tarballs since the tag won't exist. To be able to make tarballs without the tag, you have to make a pre-release, like this: php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0 prerc2

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marclaporte

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nyloth

if the subrelease is prefixed by 'pre', it implies that no tag will be created

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marclaporte

that is the closest to php doc/devtools/release.php --testrun ?

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nyloth

yes, but the only difference with the command line you used is that tarballs step will really work

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marclaporte

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nyloth

I think I should add a --testrun or --dry-run option which also auto-answer 'n' to all commits questions

A bit later if I have time enough :)

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marclaporte

ok, I will add to ideas section

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nyloth

ok :)

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marclaporte

>> Retrieved members list from Sourceforge.
Retrieving logs from revision 8388 to 13388 .... svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/tikiwiki/!svn/bc/13388'

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nyloth

marclaporte: don't worry
marclaporte: sourceforge has some problems with our repository for approx. 20 commits when retrieving logs
marclaporte: but those errors are not a problem for the release process
marclaporte: I should have hidden them from display...

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marclaporte

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nyloth

marclaporte: this "Retrieving logs" step takes ages due to the slow servers and/or bandwith of SF.net
marclaporte: this is a part I would like to move to release.tw.o
so release script will just have to retrieve one up-to-date file from there

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marclaporte

ricks99 : & all: can we throw full text instead of _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_? Right now, it messes section edit and edit plugin helper
(like it was before)

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nyloth

marclaporte: replacing _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ by the whole string ?

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marclaporte

yes
{TR} plugin should be off by default anyway

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nyloth

the problem is that any change to the english version (which may change often) will break the translation...

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marclaporte

Ideally, this type of intro text should be generated by profiles, where it's easy to maintain

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nyloth

does profiles handles translations in this case ?

marclaporte

I checked and only French version has been added to lang files
we could easily make French profiles

nyloth

marclaporte: yes, french is the most up-to-date language :)

marclaporte

let me think of better

nyloth

If xavi wants to translate the homepage its very easy right now...

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marclaporte

yes, but it has to wait for next version of Tiki

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nyloth

with profiles, if you have to make a spanish profile, it will be harder
why ?

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marclaporte

tr needs to be added to language files
so it's added to 3.1
no?

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nyloth

xavi (for example, not necessarily him :) ) can commit the translation right now for spanish in language.php . Nothing more is needed

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marclaporte

yes, but waits for 3.1
unless he does today

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nyloth

well, not if commited today I suppose ;)
yes :)

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marclaporte

ihehe
if we figure out a good way with profiles, it becomes living
marclaporte thinks...

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nyloth

I agree with you that the content should be handled by profiles. But I disagree to have one profile per language

marclaporte

yes, that would be madness
but

nyloth

And we also need to keep a homepage content for barebone install which should not use remote profiles

marclaporte

profiles can be included in profiles
so perhaps localized profle can be used at the end, and override English stuff

nyloth

then why not, but the installer has to be a bit modified to automatically get the profile for the language, if exists, and fallback to the main english one if not
impossible to do this for 3.0
If there is a good solution, I can help :)

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marclaporte

:-)

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18390 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php: [MOD] In edit img plugin, moving alt towards the top, because on smaller screens, you had to scroll to see.

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marclaporte

MatWho: : any luck on Blog profile bug?

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marclaporte

why does edit plugin cause a line break?

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luminoso

on RC1 file upload unzip is broKen
utf8 filenames

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tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18391 10/branches/3.0/tiki-filter-base.php: [SEC] quick fix for XSS vulnerability that was already fixed in 2.x (revision 17883)

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MatWho

just getting ready got distracted by a phone call

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18392 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off plugin edit helper on barebones install because of http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2472 and rogue line-break which sometimes appears. This is unfortunate because it's otherwise great to improve UI.

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MatWho

marclaporte: fixed blog home page issue, problem in proifile now fixed no need for code commit
There is a big problem with strassa and blogs on safari

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marclaporte

not just Safari

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conner_bw

I'm downloading the 3.0 branch from SVN. Anyone want to assign a newbie a small bug to fix? I'll see if I can do anything within the next few hours in an attempt to learn the system (I'm Dac btw, the straggler who hangs out at the Tiki beer parties)
At worse, I fail to do anything. At best, I send a diff.

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marclaporte

dac: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Other
Several admin panels tiki-admin.php?page=xyz are displaying incorrect feedback about which features are turned on/off (Marc)
go to :tiki-admin.php?page=login
and turn on thing on or off. And you will see many feedback messages by error

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conner_bw

k thanks

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marclaporte

thank you!!

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MatWho

marclaporte: looking in template file now for blog bug

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marclaporte

MatWho: tks

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18393 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-assignpermission.tpl: [FIX] fix doc link

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tikiwiki: 03matwho * r18394 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] Fixed problem with divs not matching

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MatWho

marclaporte: fixed blog, need to get food back later

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marclaporte

tks

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18395 10/branches/3.0/ (db/tiki.sql lib/setup/prefs.php): [MOD] On barebones clean installs, use login in header instead of module, because 1- Some profiles don't need to login and it's easy to turn off. A few profiles will have login module though. 2- It looks nicer.

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wikitikiinfo

again so many same people.. an again i?m hi guys
i hope me can someone tell how i can unlock the installer
i want test the speed on a new server
for now it says internal server error when i want go to tiki-install.php
i copy all things from one to the other server and install the same database. but for now i not change the local.php in db
i try to do the same like http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Move+Tiki+to+a+new+server but it not works
i become the server error
can someone tell me PLLEEEAAASSSEE what i can do to unlock the installer
i locked it today on the first server

[19:14]

conner_bw

nyloth: ping

wikitikiinfo

hello ?

conner_bw

What's up with the simple_set_toggle() function? There should be a third choice maybe? yes, no, and we've never done this so set to whatever the prefs file says?

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : destroy one file
db/lock

conner_bw

right now it's inverting a bunch of 'y'
when it should, maybe, be saying set it to whatever, as this is the first time
file: tiki-admin.php

[19:19]

nyloth

conner_bw: yes ? :)

[19:19]

wikitikiinfo

what file i should destroy ? marclaporte ?
oh
haha
db/lock
thanks

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[19:20]

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : didn't the page tell you that?
nyloth: : conner_bw is trying to solve unwanted error messages on first run at tiki-admin.php?page=login

[19:20]

wikitikiinfo

no, for now i read only server error 500

marclaporte

oh I see

conner_bw

the errors happen because neither of the two conditions are met on the first encounter of certain variables

wikitikiinfo

when i try to call a normal html page it work , but on tikiwiki nothing

marclaporte

it's because of file perms

nyloth

conner_bw: for which pref ?

[19:23]

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : if you look in your error logs, you'll probably see that file was blocked because perms were too lax
ex.: 777
wikitikiinfo: : if you have shell, run sh setup.sh

[19:23]

wikitikiinfo

i try to run setup.sh per ssh but it not allowed it writes. oh thanks for the tip !

[19:23]

conner_bw

nyloth: http://pastebin.ca/1411435

[19:24]

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : usually, error messages are harmeless, you just keep on going

[19:24]

conner_bw

(i put the debug => there myself)
Everything with debug => 2 is unwanted behaviour... i.e. those should be accepted, not toggled
This only happens the first time

[19:24]

wikitikiinfo

setup.sh give me the server answer Operation not permitted

conner_bw

every other run, it's fine because it's set

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : also: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Manual+Installation

wikitikiinfo

i will try to change it on my own. not all.. but.. thanks !

luciash

polom polom
conner_bw: hey dac :)

nyloth

conner_bw: I used to fix a lot of those problems recently. You can have a look at revision 18220 for example

conner_bw

the other solution is to change all those 'y' yo 'n' in prefs.php
but that seems shortsighted maybe?
luciash: hello :)

nyloth

conner_bw: the problem is usually that the default pref in lib/setup/pref.php is not a value that is in the template

[19:26]

conner_bw

let me try to modify the function and submit a diff that you guys/girls can peer review
or outright reject

[19:26]

luciash

conner_bw: i believed they happen because they're leftovers from revamping/moving the admin preferences from one page to another and they become disabled of course because someone forgot to add the prefs checkboxes or something or remove from pages weher they were removed in tpls
s/weher/where/

[19:27]

nyloth

conner_bw: also have a look at commit revision 18226

[19:28]

luciash

conner_bw: as nyloth says :)

[19:28]

nyloth

hi luci :)

[19:29]

luciash

hi patrice :)
wth the action icons next to articles moved again since yesterday in strasa ?

[19:31]

nyloth

conner_bw: let me precise that there should be no need to change any function...

[19:34]

wikitikiinfo

marclaporte:: i think the setup.sh works, i look to the permissions and the most files have 777 or 755
marclaporte:: the same i read on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Install+by+FTP&bl=y page

[19:34]

luciash

conner_bw: yup, only the input names in tiki-admin-include... tpl files should match the toggles in their php counterparts

[19:36]

wikitikiinfo

marclaporte::i delete now the lock from db and make the entrys in local.php
marclaporte:: you have any idea ? server error 500.
or someone else ? luciash maybe ?

[19:36]

marclaporte

wikitikiinfo: : look at your error logs

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18397 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files):
tikiwiki: [FIX] Removing quick_edit and since_last_visit_new modules from barebones
tikiwiki: install. 1- These modules are amazing and will be in use in most profiles.
tikiwiki: However, it's better to add them via profiles as we have more control over which
tikiwiki: group gets to see them. Sometimes, we want registered users to see and
tikiwiki: sometimes, we want only Admins.

[19:38]

wikitikiinfo

marclaporte:: hmm where i can find ?

[19:39]

marclaporte

ask your server admin

[19:39]

wikitikiinfo

no i mean the tikiwiki error log

[19:40]

marclaporte

could be in admin panel or a text file which is generated on your server
well, if it breaks before it gets to tiki, how could tiki log?

[19:40]

wikitikiinfo

ok ok..
i try on the panel to find. thanks !

[19:40]

marclaporte

tikilogs are at tiki-syslog.php
once tiki works, but if you still have issues: you can install this profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled

[19:42]

wikitikiinfo

i will try it also . thank you again for the link.
the log says " SoftException in Application.cpp:252: File "

[19:48]

marclaporte

what else?

[19:48]

wikitikiinfo

is writeable by group
to the install-tiki.php

[19:48]

marclaporte

so change that

[19:50]

wikitikiinfo

haha
ok you mean to normal 777 or what?

[19:50]

marclaporte

nyloth: : I get same error on my server than wikitikiinfo. I suspect many people will as well. It would great if we could set these in the package or svn.
try 775
or 664

[19:51]

wikitikiinfo

is the same with 777 775 or 664 error log says tiki-install.php" is writeable by group
(i refresh my browser)
no idea... but you know i move from an other server away to that one.

[19:54]

marclaporte

this page looks a little strange, no? http://tikiwiki.org/forums
wikitikiinfo: : so remove writeable by group

[19:55]

wikitikiinfo

hahaha i explode...

[19:55]

luciash

sorry for my wth, it affects the look of bottom actions in strasa when articles comments are enabled :-/

[19:57]

wikitikiinfo

ok i will try to remove, in hat way ever.. the writeable by group.
guys i with you all something ... i will try all things tomorrow. maybe i can change my complete site to the other server for more speed. .. but for now BY! Thanks for the help!

[19:57]

luciash

marclaporte: strange the repeated forum sections title ?

[20:00]

marclaporte

luciash: : yes
that's new
and not better, IMNSHO

[20:00]

luciash

i don't know, haven't looked at forums long time
someone could svn up tw.o though
means ohertel ?

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marclaporte

http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=test&search=Go -> search is broken

[20:02]

luciash

maybe change to searchindex there ?
marclaporte: it's slow but worksforme
the link you gave

[20:02]

marclaporte

try as anon

[20:04]

luciash

ah, as anon

[20:04]

marclaporte

ricks99 & nyloth: {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR} is confusing for new users becase it conflicts with section edit

[20:05]

luciash

+1 to rollback to previous full editable content from me

[20:07]

marclaporte

can we still have it multilingual?

[20:07]

luciash

i think so, wasn't it in {TR()} before too ? but i would prefer to put in {TR()} by sentences instead of whole page content

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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18398 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [DEL] Removing Customer Extranet profile because it won't be ready in time.

[20:16]

marclaporte

conner_bw: : are winning?

[20:18]

conner_bw

losing big time :(

[20:18]

xavi1

hi all again
back (after electricity cut for a couple of hours)

[20:19]

conner_bw

The quick fix is to change the following to 'n' in prefs.php auth_ldap_memberisdn, pam_create_user_tiki, pam_skip_admin, shib_create_user_tiki, shib_skip_admin

[20:20]

xavi1

I have 90min. aprox.
nyltoh: I'm ok with translation of homepage

[20:20]

conner_bw

But the problem is that simple_set_toggle is sometimes called without ever considering that this is the first time a value is being set, therefore it should not be toggled, but inserted as is

[20:21]

xavi1

forums in tw.o are ok to me, btw

[20:23]

nyloth

luciash: it was not translated before...

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[20:25]

xavi1

http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes3.0 produces 404 not found
nyloth: what should I translate for the homepage?

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xavi1

well, or where is it? in language.php?

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nyloth

xavi1: look at lang/fr/language.php .... it's the special string _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ (for now...)

xavi

ok
btw, search is also broken for normal users (at least) in tw.o: example: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=ReleaseProcess&search=Go

marclaporte

luciash & nyloth: conner_bw is quite new to Tiki and doesn't know what default values should be in admin-login. Can someone volunteer

nyloth

marclaporte: we can automatically transform _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ into the real content when creating the page, like what is already done when editing the page

marclaporte

?
nyloth: : real content is excellent (and localized) so we don't use TR and users are not confused

nyloth

conner_bw is no more there. Default values can simply be the same as what is already done when saving the panel the first time.
marclaporte: yes but your page will just be in the lang of the installation. Changing the lang after that will not auto-translate the page, like today
marclaporte: but as you wish

[20:28]

marclaporte

I still think it will cause less issues. People can pick language in installer now.
and for 4.0, we'll make sure to have i18n in profiles. So people pick Intranet + fr and they get localized content

[20:30]

nyloth

I don't have free time right now, just dealing with urgencies. Please add it to the list of blockers, I'll do it when I will have time. Or maybe someone else will be able to do before me

[20:31]

marclaporte

actually, Olaf, Alain & I have already started to DogFood i18 profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Multilingual_Glossary
nyloth, ok tks
maybe sylvieg will show up :-)

[20:33]

xavi

xavi is translating the homepage content into Catalan and Spanish

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[20:42]

xavi

marclaporte: is there any place for discussion on what should be enabled by default in a bare-bones installation?

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[20:46]

xavi

i've just finished one (with 3rc1) and I found less things than the one a newbie would expect (imho)

[20:47]

marclaporte

xavi: please start a wiki page on profiles.tikiwiki.org

[20:47]

xavi

before learning about profiles, I would expect ... ok

[20:47]

marclaporte

what do you have in mind?

xavi

I'll add that to my todo (for tonight or tomorrow)

marclaporte

barebones should be secure, and stuff that everyone needs

otrotabi

hi, I need advice to make up my mind, I installed tikiwiki 3.0 (basically because if the svn update feature) but I´m facing small problems pretty often, and don´t know how to troubleshoot them (at least not quickly enough), should I install 2.4 and wait until 3.0 is further developed ?

xavi

I would expect a siwtch_theme, (switch_lang maybe), and search_box, at least

marclaporte

otrotabi: : what feature?

otrotabi

now, for example, I can´t access "User modules" in the admin features

[20:49]

marclaporte

xavi: on a public-facing corporate site, I don't want switch theme

[20:49]

xavi

when logged in as admin, I mean
^marclaporte
even in a corporate environment, the it reviewing tiki, when logged as admin, they would like to test other themes....
so at least for admin...
xavi keeps going with the translation of the homepage

[20:49]

marclaporte

xavi: yes maybe we could add that to a wiki page, only visible to admins?

[20:51]

xavi

yes, marclaporte: not too steep learning curve for new admins

[20:51]

marclaporte

it could be a new tiki admin wiki page, with many such links (users, groups, etc.)

[20:52]

xavi

and, imho, I would add a line at homepage_content about profiles.
i.e.: "Notice that you can fine tune your installation by installing other profiles, which will help you configure your tiki installation to meet your needs. Review http://profiles.tikiwiki.org for more information"
or similar

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[20:54]

marclaporte

xavi: : we have a technical limitation now. Modules added in tiki.sql cannot be managed by profiles. So if we add a module for all, we have no way of editing (groups,etc) and thus, we end up with duplicate modules.
which is why I removed as many as possible

[20:54]

xavi

mmmm, ok. Why not then adding just some modules for admin?

[20:55]

marclaporte

for 4.0, 1- barebones profile should be managed using the profile manager, 2- It would be nice to be able to remove modules, and thus have more flexibility

[20:56]

xavi

and through profiles, the admin can go adding new features (and modules maybe?) for other groups in his/her site, etc. Does this make sense to you?

[20:56]

marclaporte

xavi: because if we add for Registered, we'll have in double
yes, with profiles can do a lot
There is a profile to test themes I thinl
think

[20:56]

xavi

so, are you ok to add those modules only for the admin user?: search_box, switch_theme, switch_lang and since_last_visit_new for admin?

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[20:59]

xavi

I suggest this in order to lower the learning curve for new admins or reviewers of tiki capabilites...

[20:59]

conner_bw

One whitespace committed.... WOOOOOOOU

[20:59]

marclaporte

conner_bw: : congrats!!
conner_bw: : you can read log of when you were gone: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-05-03,Sun
xavi: we will end up with duplicates
xavi: better to put in a wiki page, called admin

[21:01]

xavi

for admins only, not for others

marclaporte

yes, but it doesn't work

xavi

marclaporte

I will try to explain a third time
If you do that, it will work
BUT

otrotabi

sorry to insist, do you think for a newbie I should go straight to 3.0 or should I wait ?

xavi

otrotabi: go for 2.4

marclaporte

If you also want Registered to have it, you will end up with two modules, one for Admins and one for Registered

xavi

and in some weeks time, when you are ok with the huge amount of features that you have in tiki 2.4, then ou can review tiki3... :-)

otrotabi

thanks xavi

xavi

marclaporte: I understood. Ok. Then, I would suggest again to add some cler note in the homepage about optional profiles for fine tunning your installation "easily" (in theory)
like the line suggest previously

[21:05]

marclaporte

otrotabi: did you report bugs on dev.tw.o?

[21:05]

xavi

my 2 cents

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[21:09]

tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18402 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [FIX] Homepage translated to Spanish

[21:17]

marclaporte

xavi: +1.

[21:18]

xavi

xavi is testing now the blog profile
marclaporte: fyi, multitiki in subdirectories is feasible by hand (avoiding the errors from tiki-install.php). And thus, it's feasible by ftp (although tedious)
I'll explain to that guy in tw.o/forums after 3.0 is released, and hopfully, document it somewhere in doc.tw.o

[21:18]

marclaporte

doc.tikiwiki.org/manual+installation
xavi ^^

[21:25]

xavi

[21:25]

marclaporte

xavi: that guy is also trying to use .htaccess and I suspect that will not work

xavi

it does work :-)

marclaporte

He should try one thing at a time
yes, works alone, but could conflict with other things

xavi

I agree. but htaccess worked for me on multitiki in subdirectories

marclaporte

ok
InterTiki with preference/group transfer seems better to mne

[21:27]

xavi

I did document years ago that .htaccess when multitiki in subdirs... when doc.tw.o was on the ohter server, and I had access to that server...
mmm, marclaporte: I did the installation in catalan, selected profile for personal blog, however the homepage is not in Catalan but in English
I cleared tiki cache...
I would have expected to see that homepage in Catalan....

[21:27]

marclaporte

marclaporte knows the frsutration of not having access to server

[21:29]

xavi

xavi wonders where is amette

[21:29]

marclaporte

I hope is getting cloned
we have lots of work for him!

[21:29]

xavi

so marclaporte, how should a user proceed to get the hoepaage seen in his/her installation language?
if possible, of course
I thought I read a discussion hours ago about it, and it seemed to be possible, from what I reaad from your discussion

[21:30]

marclaporte

xavi: : dunno, but I suspect nyloth knows because it works for French

[21:30]

xavi

:-)
xavi wonders how nyloth managed to make it work for him :-)

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[21:34]

marclaporte

me wonders how many times we have to use the word "nyloth" until he notices...
xavi: maybe barebones install, when you pick a language in the installer?

[21:34]

xavi

ok, I'll try again later (testing something else with profiles now
marclaporte: proposal for step 3 in homepaeg_content:
"Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org|through profiles]"

[21:38]

marclaporte

try barebones

[21:40]

xavi

it worked with bare-bones, not with personal blog
I have only 5 min left for tonight
marclaporte: what do you think about my addition to step 3?
if I'm new to tiki, with the deafult homepage, it's not clear to me that I can quickly enable features through profiles, etc.

[21:42]

marclaporte

+1 to promote profiles
but remember that that will change translation for French

[21:43]

nyloth

xavi: homepage does not work for you ?

xavi

yes, it does in install language, with bare-bones

nyloth

xavi: it should work after a fresh install and before you edit the page

xavi

it didn't with blog.
I'll double check

nyloth

marclaporte: lol, I'm just very busy :)

[21:45]

marclaporte

hehe
if you need something done, ask someone who is busy
:-)

[21:46]

nyloth

[21:46]

marclaporte

luciash: : you around?

xavi

nyloth: nowadays it worked in my installer lang. I dunno what happened before

nyloth

xavi: ok, great :)

xavi

good work with the i18n of the homepage

nyloth

xavi: the solution is not perfect, marc is not happy at all :)

[21:48]

xavi

nyltoh: what do you think about my proposal to put this as the 3rd step in homepage content: "Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org|through profiles]"
s / nyltoh / nyloth

[21:48]

nyloth

xavi: yes, why not. I'm just a little sad that barebone will be too much empty for newbies, just because barebone is not a local profile yet (which should be done one day)

[21:50]

xavi

nyloth: I had the same sensation with bare-bones half an hour ago: too empty for admin-newbies

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xavi

this could be solved, as suggested by marclaporte, by adding an "admin page", add cotent to it, and asign that page to user admin by default, so that when he/she logs in , he/she see much more info?
hi chibaguy-late-at-night-in-japan?

chibaguy

No, it's about 7am.

marclaporte

what would be really cool: a profile plugin. Ex.: {profile install=Test all themes} So we could have an admin wiki page with direct links to get various things done.

nyloth

hi chibaguy

chibaguy

hi guys
I was surprised to see matwho's blog-post tpl div fix at this late stage.
but now the strasa theme breaks on blog post, for me.

xavi

Hola soy Gloria, nos vamos a dormir :-)

[21:56]

chibaguy

If there was a problem with strasa's blog post template, probably the fix should have been in strasa's own tpl for that page.
maybe mat wasn't aware strasa has its own.
Today I'll be away from the computer most of the day but will check again the templates ,also in safari.

[21:57]

luciash

luciash re-poloms in

[22:02]

xavi

xavi poloms-out. g'night all

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chibaguy

bbl

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luciash

nyloth: i think it's good thing that bare-bone (default) installation is not remote-dependent profile at least one shouldn't be dependent on internet connection/profiles repository availability

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luciash

luciash wonders how the blog thingie can be fixed when only changed thing in diff is removed smarty comment: {*</div>*}

[22:25]

nyloth

luciash: yes, barebone has to remain remote. What I said is that it has to be a real profile, but a local one. This way, it will be possible to add items that will not be already installed when installing other profiles
s/has to remain remote/has to remain local/

[22:27]

luciash

nyloth: ah, sorry, didn't know the new profiles can be local too

[22:29]

nyloth

luciash: never tested that, but the lib apparently is supposed to handle this case
and for me its the best way

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[22:33]

luciash

hmm, shouldn't the fix be the other way around ? ;)

[22:34]

marclaporte

luciash: : do you have time for a cosmetic fix?

[22:34]

luciash

keep in templates but fix doc.tw.o content ?
marclaporte: depends :)

[22:35]

marclaporte

luciash: : we are in emergency mode now
only a few more hours to release
the profiles are still shit

[22:35]

luciash

delay can be always announced, what cosmetic fix ?

marclaporte

they don't have to be perfect because we can improve all the time

luciash

luciash testing the blog problem now

marclaporte

I have been working on this every day for weeks now
I am not going to continue
this is my last day
if someone else wants to do it, be my guest
but there is a reason we chose time-based releases
So I say we release in best possible state
We have branched two monthes ago

luciash

ok ok marc, what was the cosmetic fix agai n? ;)

[22:39]

marclaporte

:-) :-)
top bar: "I forgot my password" is either missing or glues on to "Register" in all themes except thenews.css Use Collaborative_Community and switch themes to see

[22:39]

luciash

if i switch profile i lost all my previous content ?

[22:40]

marclaporte

[22:40]

luciash

ah, i'll try then :)
luciash confirms blog layout broken in strasa

[22:41]

marclaporte

profiles do no delete content
they can turn off features though
wait

[22:42]

luciash

and add content like trackers ?

marclaporte

they can replace content in preferences (like site title)

luciash

marclaporte

say you have already tracker #1, profiles will detect and create tracker #2

luciash

can they replace my trackers too ?
ok

CIA-46

tikiwiki: 03conner_bw * r18404 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] For issues with 'tiki-admin.php?page=login' and 'tiki-admin.php?page=metatags' pages

marclaporte

but we have a weirdness that Sylvie knows about

luciash

so only site identity stuff can be replaced ?
(unwantedly)

marclaporte

any preference

luciash

i see

marclaporte

just read wiki page of profile to see what it does

luciash

"Warning: This will destroy your current database."
if it will replace my previous testing content i'm gonna kill ya marc ;)

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marclaporte

yes, if you use installer

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marclaporte

use profile manager

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marclaporte

or try on a new install

luciash

oh, damn, too late, i just used the installer :-p
fsck
you're lucky i was only kidding about killing you :-p

marclaporte

hehe

conner_bw

Hello, I have to leave one

luciash

conner_bw: one ?

conner_bw

The problem with the community page is described here: http://pastebin.com/m535a035e
(now)

nyloth

conner_bw: thanx for the fixes :)

conner_bw

The community page requires someone who knows the feature, and decide which variables should be checked etc.
Have fun guys and girls
Good luck with the release.