#tikiwiki 2009-05-10,Sun

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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18590 10/branches/3.0/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] Adding __required__ note for comments body because if you leave blank, you get an error message. I don't think body should be mandatory but it is.	[00:01]
marclaporte	do you know how to set perms in general?	[00:01]
FF\|Skyrider	I am looking through the permission list.	[00:01]
marclaporte	look in wiki section to find something about wiki attachments	[00:01]
FF\|Skyrider	k	[00:02]
marclaporte	lindon_ : : how are you doing?	[00:04]
lindon_	think i need a database on the ourwiki site to test don't seem to have privileges to do that also, is there a way for the files to download to the public folder? they went outside the public directory, so i copied them over	[00:04]
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marclaporte	lindon_: : use cPanel to create DB to get the files at the right place, you can go to the right directory: using # cd www then svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/3.0 . the dot (.) at the the end means "here" FF\|Skyrider: : found it?	[00:21]
FF\|Skyrider	Indeed I have, thanks. It was at the bottom of the permission page :0 :)	[00:26]
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lindon_	marclaporte:: i get a 500 internal server error when i try to go to where i've downloaded the svn to install	[01:26]
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mlaporte	tikifest keeps on going but getting hungry, we are	[02:19]
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ricks99	hows the release going?	[02:31]
	no more default logo on barebones install :(	[02:38]
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FF\|Skyrider	Hey I have a small question still :) The current release is 2.4 (final), and it says that 3.0 is to be released at may, 3. It may be a bit later due to fixed, but my question is.. is it worth to go to 3.0 instead with RC1 Going to bed soon, so I hope someone can give me a quick answer :)	[02:51]
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FF\|Skyrider	Anyone? :s	[02:58]
lindon_	i would say 3.0	[02:59]
FF\|Skyrider	Gracias :)	[02:59]
lindon_	should be out soon and bugs are being fixed	[02:59]
FF\|Skyrider	nifty 2.4 / 3.0 is really different?	[02:59]
lindon_	not a quantum leap but lots of improvements that add up have you looked here http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tikiwiki+3.0 ?	[03:04]
FF\|Skyrider	not yet, thanks.	[03:05]
ricks99	+1 for 3.0	[03:06]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18591 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-edit_help.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX/MOD] merging back again wiki help and plugin help because for most users, tikiwiki: there is no distinction between adding a link and adding a video. plugins are tikiwiki: just advanced wiki syntax. Also, the plus buttons are not reliable and some tikiwiki: users may not see the plugins section. Finally, adding a plugin is currently tikiwiki: broken (but not by this commit).	[03:09]
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mlaporte	ricks99: about default logo on barebones	[03:24]
chibaguy	polom	[03:25]
mlaporte	I have an idea. Do you have time to chat?	[03:25]
chibaguy	pkdille here?	[03:25]
ricks99	y marc	[03:25]
chibaguy	or anyone interested...	[03:26]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18592 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-plugin_help.tpl: [FIX] Help insert plugin popup tool must specify area name to work	[03:26]
chibaguy	I tried removing the tiki-site_header.tpl files from coelesce and strasa, and the themes seem to display fine	[03:26]
mlaporte	chibaguy: +1 to less forked tpls ricks99 & all: about top logo	[03:27]
chibaguy	( was wondering why these are so problematic and other themes so solid, so wanted to try the default tiki-site_header.tpl with them....)	[03:27]
mlaporte	hehe	[03:27]
chibaguy	maybe whatever was (thought to be) necessary in the beginning got worked around somehow as everyone contributed.	[03:28]
mlaporte	In the past, I didn't like when the header said, "This is TikiWiki, blable	[03:28]
ricks99	rick thinks the logo should be in the default profile	[03:28]
mlaporte	ricks99: ok, but how can we make super duper easy for people to replace with their own?	[03:28]
chibaguy	so i'll test some more and suggest removing (a little gunshy at present about major file changes since the theme-rename episode ;-) )	[03:29]
mlaporte	so people don't leave it there because they don't how to change I had in mind adding site title and subtitle in installer	[03:29]
ricks99	add a default site title: "Use the Look & Feel to add your own logo) for 3.x, add to the installer	[03:29]
mlaporte	ricks99: but it's hard to upload logo to Tiki it should be an upload field like avatars	[03:30]
ricks99	agree	[03:31]
chibaguy	ah, now I see strasa already had no tiki-site_header.tpl (my local test site was copied over, not directly svn-upped, so the old file was never deleted). chibaguy slaps forehead	[03:31]
ricks99	speaking of uploading images... with the default install, try uploading a picture to a wiki page	[03:31]
mlaporte	not a text field, where I first need so upload to file gallery and worry about url, etc	[03:31]
ricks99	you have to : 1. use the file gallery 2. create a new file gallery 3. upload a pic to the gallery 4. then add the pic code to the wiki page :(	[03:31]
chibaguy	anyway, coelesce can probably lose its tpl too.	[03:32]
mlaporte	ricks99: I agree but let's stay on logo	[03:32]
ricks99	k.	[03:32]
mlaporte	and about last part, let's have the discussion with pkdille and nyloth but I noticed same issue so...	[03:32]
ricks99	i vote for keeping the default loogo, and adding a default site title/subtitle explaining wheer to go to change the logo (can use the file gallery to store the logo, y?)	[03:33]
mlaporte	ok, but I would change one thing	[03:33]
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mlaporte	I don't want that explanation visible to the public So maybe a mouse-over of the logo, with tiki_p_admin check	[03:37]
ricks99	*rick wishes he had had time to redo the Admin: L&F page	[03:38]
mlaporte	yes, you can use file gallery to store logo that is a tricky one	[03:38]
ricks99	what's wrong w/ making it public? i seriously doubt newbies will see/use the mouse-over text	[03:38]
mlaporte	because I don't want all these installs floating around with system messages doesn't look professional gives the impression that this thing wasn't finished/configured	[03:39]
ricks99	instead: use the custom code area: {if $user eq admin}You can change the logo.... {/if}	[03:40]
mlaporte	and if the admin wants to keep the tiki logo, so be it, but it's not because it was difficult to fix	[03:40]
ricks99	i just think that mouseover is not visible enuf	[03:40]
mlaporte	{if $user eq admin}You can change the logo.... {/if} is perfect!!	[03:40]
ricks99	this way it will be highly visible -- but only to admin	[03:40]
FF\|Skyrider	thanks guys gnight	[03:40]
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ricks99	woo-hoo	[03:40]
mlaporte	ricks99: right! bye FF	[03:41]
ricks99	or an admin-only module (ala the old tiki assitant)	[03:41]
mlaporte	ricks99: yeah, something like that {if $user eq admin} has the benefit of showing people what's possible to do with Smarty	[03:41]
ricks99	... has the danger of crashing tiki, too :(	[03:42]
mlaporte	we can also populate Site Identity via profiles,	[03:42]
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ricks99	"Fatal Smarty Error" is one of the most popular searches on Smarties http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Top+Tips&bl#I_added_a_new_module_and_now_I_get_a_quot_Fatal_Smarty_error_quot_and_I_only_see_a_blank_page_	[03:43]
mlaporte	ricks99: is this the same in 3.x?	[03:43]
ricks99	?	[03:43]
mlaporte	Page Not Found well, I have noticed that tiki 3.x was more robust to user errors	[03:44]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18593 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [FIX] retrieve cached plugin list properly	[03:44]
ricks99	http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Top+Tips#I_added_a_new_module_and_now_I_get_a_quot_Fatal_Smarty_error_quot_and_I_only_see_a_blank_page_ * rick wishes he could cut/paste better	[03:44]
mlaporte	hehe	[03:45]
ricks99	wow.. tiki seems to recover from Smarty validation errors much better now!!	[03:46]
mlaporte	so, there were ways to crash tiki 2.x that no longer worked in 3.x	[03:46]
ricks99	i see :-) no risk then. i vote to use custom code	[03:46]
mlaporte	ok, I will test now to crash do you have any examples handy of things that crashed tiki?	[03:47]
ricks99	just did. removing the {/if} worked just fine :)	[03:47]
mlaporte	beautiful	[03:47]
ricks99	including an opening {tr} (but no {/tr}) also worked fine my 2 most common errors seems very robust	[03:47]
mlaporte	yes, if you have error reporting on, you will see it in yellow/red at the bottom http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled to get this an other debug stuff	[03:48]
ricks99	is it possible to "stack" or "chain" profiles? how can i get barebones + debbugmode? would be nice if the installer, when u select a profile, can be a checkbox where u can select multiple	[03:49]
mlaporte	ricks99: you can make a profile which includes two profiles	[03:51]
ricks99	i mean for an end-user. I see a list of profiles during my installation. would be nice to b able to pick multiple	[03:52]
mlaporte	yes I have ideas for that there would be "angles" / approaches / categories 1- the permission type 2- security level 3- feature set family and maybe more and this would mix & match profiles to suit your preferences for now, installer is just for 4 full profiles and we are still not really ready how can i get barebones + debbugmode? -> install barebones, goto admin profiles, pick debugmodeenabled what I would like is a profile plugin, which let's me run a profile from anywhere	[03:52]
ricks99	ahh	[03:55]
mlaporte	so via wiki pages, we publish documentation about stuff and then, we have buttons, like "debug on" "debug off" turn on tags and usually used modules for tags etc. this would be a way to deal with variations you will always have within a profile.	[03:55]
ricks99	on admin:profiles, how do i know if a profile was successfully installed seems to be no ui feedback?	[03:56]
mlaporte	some profiles have an instruction page, and after profile is installed, it sends you there otherwise, no, sadly, no feedback I think all profiles should have instructions	[03:57]
ricks99	:( *rick will have to play with profiles a bit more...	[03:58]
mlaporte	ex.: software project profile. -> if it's an open source project, chat makes sense. But if you have commercial software, you may want to use live support instead ricks99: you're head will spin oups you're -> your so about top logo we could have different logo, message, treatment whatever for each profile	[03:58]
ricks99	different logo for each profile? do we have any mechanism on profiles.tw.o for tracking stats? which profiles are used most often? which are used during intiital install? which are used on an existing tiki site? etc? *rick wonders how many newbies will use anything other than "default"?	[04:00]
mlaporte	no stats yet	[04:04]
ricks99	is there a way to collect stats?	[04:04]
mlaporte	I guess we could check number of visits I guess that each profile install = a page hit	[04:10]
ricks99	does that work for profiles selected during install?	[04:10]
mlaporte	yes, different logo for each profile if that's what we wanted not saying that we do, but we have flexibility profiles via admin-profiles can be used any time. but 4-5 profiles in installer are only if you wipe DB	[04:11]
ricks99	i would be very interseted in seeeing stats for profiles selected during installer	[04:12]
mlaporte	yeah, me too and I agree about the danger of too many people picking barebones ricks99: try Company Intranet profile on a clean install	[04:12]
chibaguy	rrr suckerfish topbar menus aren't working now in ie6, in strasa or coelesce.... are solar activity or gamma rays involved in this somehow? other themes are fine	[04:17]
mlaporte	that has got to be the most plausible cause	[04:18]
ricks99	Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'Unknown objects are referenced: profiles.tikiwiki.org/Intranet_Permissions#Intranet_Permissions, profiles.tikiwiki.org/General_File_Gallery#General_File_Gallery, profiles.tikiwiki.org/General_Forum#General_Forum, profiles.tikiwiki.org/Sample_Articles_include#Sample_Articles_include, profiles.tikiwiki.org/Sample_Articles_include#Sample_Artic les_include2, profiles.tikiwiki.org/Test_All_Themes#Test_All_Themes, profiles.tikiwiki.org/Powered_by#Powered_by' in C:wampwwwbranches3.0libprofilelibinstalllib.php:97 Stack trace: #0 C:wampwwwbranches3.0libprofilelibinstalllib.php(143): Tiki_Profile_Installer->getInstallOrder(Object(Tiki_Profile)) #1 C:wampwwwbranches3.0installertiki-installer.php(761): Tiki_Profile_Installer- >install(Object(Tiki_Profile)) #2 C:wampwwwbranches3.0tiki-install.php(64): include_once('C:wampwwwbra...') #3 {main} thrown in C:wampwwwbranches3.0libprofilelibinstalllib.php on line 97 problems with companyintranet profile	[04:22]
chibaguy	ie6 giving 'lwidthDetected' error now apparently involving php layers menu	[04:23]
mlaporte	ricks99: pascal here will test ricks99: it normally work but pascal has improved a lot of things today	[04:26]
ricks99	gotta sign off. 3.0 is looking good. last 'big' think i see... how to add pictures to wiki pages fora new install. at a minimum, should create a home gallery food for thought	[04:27]
chibaguy	ricks99, that's what file gallery is for now, isn't it? (which is on by default now)	[04:27]
ricks99	y, but try adding a picture to a wiki page on a brand new, bare bones profile	[04:28]
chibaguy	mm, ok.	[04:28]
ricks99	takes 11 clicks (after clicking the ADD PICTURE on the edit page ) no usable *not g'night all	[04:28]
chibaguy	g'night, ricks99	[04:29]
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pascalstjean	Profile works great here. Will update my version from SVN. its been a few hours will try to see what is causing your problem	[04:29]
mlaporte	g'night ricks99	[04:29]
	pascalstjean & ricks99: I just tried a fresh install of company Intranet via installer and worked for me on latest branches/3.0	[04:34]
chibaguy	ah, was phplm not working for ie6, not suckerfish related to that error, no doubt	[04:48]
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lindon_	mlaporte: : getting a server error on ourwiki not sure what i'm doing wrong lindon wishes he had a clue sometimes	[05:04]
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marclaporte	hungrier & hungrier	[05:13]
mlaporte	sh setup.sh file perms of tiki svn (and tarballs for that matter) are not well-liked by my server, and thus, the error.	[05:18]
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lindon_	going to bed....goodnight!	[05:22]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18594 10/branches/3.0/tiki-editpage.php: [FIX] Make add plugin buttons in help panel work (Note: lots of other sections need similar fix)	[05:33]
	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18595 10/branches/3.0/tiki-tracker_rss.php: [FIX] RSS feed should show most recent change as no.1	[05:46]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18596 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-rss.tpl: [FIX] Remove link to nowhere. Unfortunately, there is no RSS feed for all changes across all trackers. You have to specify a trackerID. RSS feed per tracker can be found on tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=	[06:02]
mlaporte	tikifest Ottawa closing up back after food & sleep Pascal did some massive work on profiles	[06:06]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18597 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/coelesce/tiki-site_header.tpl: [KIL] Problem of bad display of site title when no logo was solved by using default template. Apparently css changes, etc. have made this file unnecessary. Please watch for any bad effect of removal.	[06:08]
chibaguy	good job, TikiFestians. :-)	[06:08]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18598 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] Vertical alignment of site title and subtitle.	[06:12]
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pkdille	polom	[06:25]
	still here Gary ?	[06:30]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18599 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Adjustments mostly in site header and posts.	[06:30]
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chibaguy	hi pkdille I found that coelesce's tiki-site_header.tpl doesn't seem to be needed. and in fact removing it solved a problem with the site title.	[06:34]
pkdille	hi Gary yes, same here thanks I was just trying to solve the issue without logo that you mentionned earlier	[06:36]
chibaguy	I looked at other themes that weren't having that problem, and wanted to duplicate their layout, which led to deleting the tpl. ...as a test. and it just worked ok, still.	[06:38]
pkdille	humm...I'm just testing and I lost the searchbar do you have the same ?	[06:41]
chibaguy	I still have it.	[06:43]
pkdille	the location of the sitesearchbar was the main difference in the forked tiki-site_header .....no ?	[06:43]
chibaguy	That's right.	[06:43]
pkdille	you have it....I check	[06:43]
chibaguy	I'll clear caches. ah, you're right. the searchbar is gone.	[06:43]
pkdille	so, I think it is late in the release process to do such a change, I would propose to keep the template for now and to change this for, say, 3.1	[06:47]
chibaguy	mm, maybe so. ok, I'll roll back.	[06:47]
pkdille	ok, rollback the removing and i will commit my changes in coelesce.css ...it should work.... what do you think ?	[06:48]
chibaguy	The problem is that coelesce's tiki-top_bar.tpl doesn't have the search, as it was moved to the site header tpl. so unless the top_bar is also changed, the search will be missing. anyway, I'll roll back for now.	[06:48]
pkdille	ok, I commit the coelesce.css	[06:50]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18600 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/coelesce/tiki-site_header.tpl: [FIX] Lost sitesearchbar when file was killed, so it returns for now.	[06:52]
chibaguy	I need to make some changes in coelesce.css due to layout.css being imported, unless you did already.	[06:52]
pkdille	no, I removed this too	[06:53]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18601 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] coelesce: some fix in the header: with and without logo and with various browsers	[06:53]
chibaguy	ok	[06:54]
pkdille	It's too late I think	[06:54]
chibaguy	yes, better to be safe	[06:54]
pkdille	so...for 3.1	[06:54]
chibaguy	ok	[06:55]
pkdille	what are the latest news, will the tikifest release today ?	[06:55]
chibaguy	I didn't hear about the release yet.	[06:55]
pkdille	...still a problem with title and subtitle font size ...will fix it	[07:01]
chibaguy	ok	[07:01]
pkdille	...do you have the same ?	[07:02]
chibaguy	I'll check....	[07:03]
pkdille	I have 3 browsers and this issue occurs only with firefox	[07:03]
chibaguy	yes, they are quite small now. but in opera the site title is small. subtitle is possibly ok. also the login form is on the left, below the site title at my site (I still have logo activated.)	[07:07]
pkdille	...don't have this problem	[07:11]
chibaguy	div#sitetitle has lost its font-size, it seems.	[07:12]
pkdille	yes, I fix this	[07:13]
chibaguy	according to firefox and firebug, at my site now, #siteloginbar has no css properties. oh, I forgot to svn up the template ...ah, that's better. ok, so font size is the only problem.	[07:13]
pkdille	I have, it's a typo....commit in 2 sec	[07:20]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18602 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] coelesce: typo	[07:20]
pkdille	I've tested with Firefox3, IE6 and IE7, with and without logo....I __hope__ it's ok this time	[07:22]
chibaguy	hmm, I seem to have a problem somewhere - font is still small, but I'm checkinf for cause.	[07:27]
pkdille	did you update ?	[07:27]
chibaguy	ah, now it's ok. actually in opera it's like before: title is up high and cut off by window.	[07:29]
pkdille	some cache or browser behaviour ?	[07:32]
chibaguy	I cleared the browser cache... and site caches. Usually Opera shows CSS changes right away, so I guess the method of aligning the site title doesn't work the same in opera. but I don't know any opera-specific hacks, off-hand.	[07:34]
pkdille	was it ok "before" ?	[07:37]
chibaguy	no, it needed fixing then, iirc.	[07:38]
pkdille	unfortunately, I have to go (some familly constraints....)	[07:40]
chibaguy	sure, I'll check around for an opera fix.	[07:40]
pkdille	thanks and thanks for your help bye	[07:42]
chibaguy	bye, and thanks to you, too.	[07:43]
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luciash	polom polom please, bring the logo back now the bare-bones (default) installation looks like it is missing something :-[08:33] <luciash> +1 for putting the logo back	[08:22]
	+1 for {if $user eq admin}You can change the logo.... {/if} in custom code	[08:34]
	+1 to add there a link to clear all tiki cache too but maybe put it in custom code of the top bar because the main custom code doesn't work well with strasa ? and now i see there's bug with top bar because it shouldn't be rendered at all when the checkbox is not checked :/	[08:47]
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MartinCleaver	MartinCleaver resumes his tikifest activity	[10:10]
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MartinCleaver	amette: you there? I am looking for which code reads the wikiplugin _info() function	[10:24]
	Found it: tiki-modules.php	[10:34]
	I need to find where tiki determines the validity of the 'params' key of the array returned by wikiplugin__info() any clues? Did someone break last_tracker_items, btw? I see incorrect parameter - not sure if this is on my code but I note that wikiplugin_trackeritemfield.php was modified last night MartinCleaver checks irc history*	[10:44]
	MartinCleaver concludes "no" from http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php?sortby=date&view=log	[10:55]
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MartinCleaver	How do I clear tiki's caches?	[11:27]
amette	Admin -> System	[11:30]
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luciash	these regressions suck in 3.0 now code plugin is broken for simple {CODE(caption="Test",colors="php")}<?php phpinfo(); ?>{CODE} renders only "(); ?>" in there :(	[11:50]
sylvieg	luciash: do we have a version of lite.css that is not full width but fix width fixed	[11:58]
luciash	sylvieg: it's not job for lite.css, it's job for theme designer sylvieg: see e.g. www.menghao.cz	[12:02]
caralluna	caralluna wishes there were no fixed width pages. They irritate me ;-)	[12:04]
luciash	caralluna: sorry for the link then, don't watch it ;)	[12:04]
caralluna	;-) btw, too late, already did ;-)	[12:04]
luciash	eek ! :)	[12:06]
sylvieg	thx luciash	[12:06]
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luciash	good morning marc	[12:13]
marclaporte	pkdille: : ping hi luciash!	[12:13]
chibaguy	polomolop anybody need a file deleted and then rolled back? I'm getting pretty good at that. ;-)	[12:14]
marclaporte	hehe	[12:16]
MartinCleaver	thx amette	[12:17]
	I seem to be missing the admin menus, even when logged in as admin can I clear caches manually? nevermind, figured out the name of the php file, invoked without link	[12:24]
luciash	chibaguy: g marclaporte: can you please bring the logo back as i and rick suggested ?	[12:26]
MartinCleaver	weird, tiki calls a plugin's _info() routine 4 times during page load, but actually ignores the output of it completely, instead favouring the result in the cache. MartinCleaver wonders what the point of that could be	[12:28]
marclaporte	luciash: : I just +1 you mail on devel	[12:29]
luciash	marclaporte: great, thx any idea why is the preview parsing different then after save ? e.g. for plugin code it renders nothing in preview even with {CODE(caption="Test")}<?php echo "foo"; ?>{CODE} after save it's displayed though it kinda sux for ppl pasting code	[12:30]
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marclaporte	btiffin: : 'morning	[12:39]
btiffin	Good morning marclaporte ... Hope your night went well. Happy Mother's Day by the way. Don't forget to drop notes and phone calls to all the important ladies today. ;)	[12:39]
marclaporte	we finished at 3am I will let the other sleep in a bit :-)	[12:40]
luciash	where's the wikiplugin edit icn enabled ? it's not on Edit and Plugins	[12:46]
marclaporte	in admin wiki it should be on edit & plugins, wanna move it?	[12:47]
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marclaporte	there are dozens of these little annoyances	[12:47]
luciash	i don't have time now	[12:48]
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luciash	i should start work on something finally today but these little annoyances and bugs in 3.0 drive me crazy and make me addicted to Tiki... i wonder if i would be adicted that much if everything worked in Tiki :-p	[12:50]
marclaporte	hehe	[12:50]
luciash	what about tiki-festers ? will the gang be able to fix something today still ? or what's the plan ?	[12:50]
marclaporte	Pascal & I are working on profiles	[12:51]
luciash	are you streaming btw ?	[12:51]
marclaporte	no streaming marclaporte is all for streaming but doesn't want to take lead on it Nelson is fighting with plugin edit & help MartinCleaver : & rob are helping online with fixing bugs	[12:51]
luciash	i see, what's wrong with plugin edit & help still ? i thought it was pretty usable already	[12:53]
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luciash	luciash fixing the relative path for inserted images from fgals	[14:10]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18604 10/branches/3.0/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] wiki editpage JS quicktags icon to add image from file gallery: use relative path instead of absolute tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18605 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/strasa/custom_site_footer.tpl: [FIX] bad <br /> clear property	[14:13]
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MartinCleaver	in the future, tikiwiki might consider splitting up the tiki-js.js file	[14:37]
chibaguy	ah, dang. "label for" has to be used with an id, so switching to class is no good.... I'll change it back to id, and use id=login-rememberme-module for the module instance, I guess.	[14:39]
sylvieg	luciash: I found out sebastien's problem IE7 jerks the right column if you have a html comment before <html (need to fix the templates log)	[14:45]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18608 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] label for needs an id, not class, so changed back to id but different name for module instance. (No bundled stylesheets currently style this id.)	[14:48]
luciash	sylvieg: i told it many times sylvieg: it must not render it there chibaguy: right, i was already wondering	[14:49]
chibaguy	;-)	[14:50]
luciash	chibaguy: or use <label><input ... /></label> ;) chibaguy: with no need of "for" attribute and "id" which it has to point to	[14:50]
chibaguy	I need better education on the fundamentals. :-)	[14:51]
luciash	sylvieg: but the site i was checking has the html comments logging off anyway so i wonder...	[14:52]
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luciash	MartinCleaver: why ? it saves http requests ;)	[14:53]
chibaguy	XHTML 1.0 Transitional valid is close, but I get errors on pages with tabs, like admin. "cannot generate system identifier for general entity 'cookietab'" and related.	[14:54]
MartinCleaver	well, you can always compile down to a single, compressed, js file. But for development purposes the js files might be better targeted at particular functional areas.	[14:54]
sylvieg	luciash: .. humm right the tpl andre copied was teh time the coment was individually in - no luck	[14:54]
chibaguy	can a p contain a div? (paragraph)	[14:57]
nkoth3	luciash: can you help me do something? no, p cannot contain div I think	[14:58]
chibaguy	I get a validation error that one particular div can't be where it is. it's inside a paragraph.	[15:00]
luciash	chibaguy: i guess having valid admin pages is not totally necessary as the users accessible frontend chibaguy: nelson is right nkoth3: help with ? chibaguy: but i agree we should be valid for everything on trunk	[15:00]
chibaguy	right, for the tabs. regarding the <p> <div> </div> </p>, this is when articles are shown in wikitext. I guess depends on paragraph method in wiki admin, maybe.	[15:01]
luciash	sylvieg: ah	[15:01]
nkoth3	making the plugin adding buttons work everywhere that there is a editor	[15:02]
luciash	i see $parsed is composed in tiki-editpage.php, where is it for tiki-index.php ?	[15:02]
chibaguy	only other error is a <div><p> <ul></ul></p> sequence in the module containing a suckerfish menu.	[15:04]
luciash	tiki-page.php ? chibaguy: ah, is the <p> in module necessary ? i think it depends on wiki paragraph formating set on hmm, nope, tiki-page.php is for html pages feature i guess	[15:04]
chibaguy	before, I didn't get this error (we validated!), so maybe (i hope) a config setting. Turned off wiki paragraph formatting and.... "This document was successfully checked as XHTML 1.0 Transitional!"	[15:06]
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luciash	chibaguy: maybe you have some empty space, new line in the module this is weird... only reference for assigning $parsed to smarty i can find in tiki-editpage.php but i can see it is used in tiki-show_page.tpl too	[15:12]
chibaguy	the page is valid now	[15:13]
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luciash	chibaguy: i mean if you have then the wiki paragraph formating generates <p> instead of <br /> which caused you trouble to validate the module	[15:14]
chibaguy	ah	[15:15]
luciash	sylvieg: do you know where $parsed is smarty assigned for tiki-show_page.tpl ? sylvieg: i can find it only for tiki-editpage.tpl	[15:15]
chibaguy	nope, menu syntax is the first line of the module data.	[15:16]
luciash	sylvieg: i'd like to diff these two $parsed assignations to see the difference and inconsistency between preview and after save page show	[15:16]
chibaguy	but wiki parsing is turned on, which is probably not needed. with wiki parsing not turned on, for the menu module, no validation error there even when wiki paragraph formatting is on, which is logical.	[15:17]
luciash	chibaguy: yes, it's logical, wiki paragraph formating starts a paragraph on first line, it wouldn't make sense to start on the other line can somebody change the overlib calls in tiki-editpage.tpl to the jQuery tooltips for consistency sake ? i gotta run away now :-/	[15:21]
chibaguy	ok, thanks for info	[15:23]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18610 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Since the generation of plugin help content is within list_plugins, info about textarea needs to be there, also the cache needs to respect for different text area	[16:25]
lindon_	trying first commit but authentication at sourceforge is failing	[16:26]
marclaporte	lindon_ : : what is your SourceForge username?	[16:26]
lindon_	lindonb	[16:27]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18611 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-view_forum.tpl: [FIX] add top-right floating help tool tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18612 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-plugin_help.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX] hide insert plugin syntax tool in floating help area in wysiwyg and other tikiwiki: cases with no textarea id set, as it won't work anyway. For the wysiwyg case, tikiwiki: later we should have a way of inserting plugins from within the wysiwyg...	[16:28]
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marclaporte	lindon_: : coming up	[17:34]
lindon_	thank you	[17:35]
marclaporte	https://sourceforge.net/users/lindonb/	[17:42]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r18613 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_lastmod.php: [FIX] World's smallest fix. Changed one character (O to Z) so time zone appears instead of %O.	[17:44]
marclaporte	woooohoooooooo! congrats Lindon!	[17:44]
lindon_	thanks! broke record for most man hours per character changed thanks for setting me up and walking me through it!	[17:44]
marclaporte	you are most welcome I am very pleased you are committing it's so much more efficient than handling patches, etc.	[17:46]
lindon_	totally agree will try to improve doc on this	[17:47]
marclaporte	my server is not cool with that Internal Server Error I would prefer if the file perm from Tiki tarball didn't cause this. But if we change, it may cause issues with other servers	[17:49]
lindon_	yes I finally figured out that i needed to change the file permissions can add this to the doc	[17:52]
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marclaporte	ricks99: 'morning ricks99: : are you enjoying profiles yet?	[17:54]
ricks99	afternoon :) profiles +/-... 2 b honest, i'd rather choose by feature instead of an arbitarary name such as "extranet"	[17:54]
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ricks99	been reading the discussion of file gallery vs. img/wiki_up for default profile...	[17:59]
marclaporte	so a blog profile?	[17:59]
ricks99	wrt profiles: id rather have the abiltity to turn on specific features during the installation (blog, wiki, etc), but this would require ability to select multiple profiles at once	[17:59]
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marclaporte	not in the installer, but in profiles, you can run them successively	[18:04]
ricks99	y. i know. sort of kludgy something to look at for 3.1	[18:05]
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nyloth	hi all :) sylvieg: around ?	[18:20]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r18614 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] save wiki page in WYSIWYG mode... /me go hidding under a rock :(	[19:22]
Guest63945	I wonder Does 3.0 has the same file feature as 2.4?	[19:25]
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FF\|Skyrider	Had the ability to upload files within the same wiki page, but can't find any option for that in 3.0 And with upload, I do mean upload so people can see the file at the bottom of the page	[19:25]
ricks99	"attachments" do u have the wiki attachments feature enabled? is working in my 3.0	[19:26]
FF\|Skyrider	mmm must have slipped that one sec Where can I find it under features? Under which tab	[19:27]
ricks99	Admin: Wiki page "Features" tab	[19:30]
FF\|Skyrider	Yes, I mean under which one under features? :p There's tons	[19:31]
ricks99	enable "Attachements" see http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Configuring+the+Wiki	[19:31]
FF\|Skyrider	I don't see any attachements	[19:32]
ricks99	page = Admin: Wiki, tab = Features, option = "Attachments"	[19:32]
FF\|Skyrider	Main, Global Features, More func, UI enhance, Experimental, admin, user and programmer That's all I see as tabs as under main, no "attachements" option	[19:33]
ricks99	you are on the Admin: Features page need to be on Admin: Wiki	[19:33]
FF\|Skyrider	ah, my bad	[19:33]
ricks99	pls see link	[19:33]
FF\|Skyrider	Sorry ^^ Gracias tiki has so many features :p	[19:33]
ricks99	de nada still working on improving admin ui	[19:34]
FF\|Skyrider	There we go, much better :D	[19:36]
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nkoth3___	hi, anyone know what is the letter for the field type for textarea? (trackers) "a"?	[20:31]
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lindon_	definitely need to check me on the shell access part at the beginning and the commit part and everywhere inbetween ;-)	[22:09]
marclaporte	hehe lindon_: : there are gui clients on mac & windows to commit via SVN just that the docs for that are different	[22:16]
lindon_	hmm, have to try that next time	[22:17]
marclaporte	hehe	[22:17]
lindon_	do you know the names of some windows ones?	[22:19]
marclaporte	Run the svn command to make the code changes you want to make and save them -> text edit, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Subversion_clients	[22:20]
lindon_	wow, there's a million of them i meant the nano thing that's just a text edit command i guess?	[22:22]
marclaporte	yes	[22:25]
lindon_	i'll change it	[22:25]
marclaporte	turtoisesvn has been around	[22:28]
lindon_	i'll try that one	[22:29]
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	or only to something like xampp	[22:54]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18617 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (setup/prefs.php wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php): [FIX] Make img plugin as all other plugins be pref controllable	[22:57]
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marclaporte	lindon_: I think turtoise is to manage the files on your pc, so you would not checkour to ourwiki	[23:14]
btiffin	marclaporte, Sorry about not getting down to the Fest. Spent the day in the Animal Hospital. Clover our Jack Russel was in for a precautionary measure. Only $600 bucks for "no real diagnosis yet". :)	[23:17]
marclaporte	btiffin: I understand there is always tomorrow :-) cocktail in the evening	[23:18]
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	Intranet and Blog profiles are looking excellent thanks to Pascal's dedication. He is "in the zone"!	[23:52]

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