hi all - my tiki installation seems to be really slow
I've painstakingly tracked it down from tiki-index.php
and found out that the inclusion of plugins is generally slow
in particular, the trackers
I have under 400 items, one tracker w/ approx only 8 fields
inside tiki-trackerlist.tpl, I output the times it takes to load the data (w/ a max of 100 item view and pagination)
and its showing me that the template is actually taking all of the time that I was suspecting, approximately 8 seconds+ (to 15 seconds sometimes)
is this normal?
anyone here
hello
hi
hi
tooo
can i use tikiwiki for story archiving
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????
anyone here have tikiwiki site
they can let me see
what do you mean?
story archiving?
5HELLO
5like fanfiction.net
5and stuff
5like efiction software
I see
my guess is yes
5Ok
what do you want to be able to do?
have people log in
and create their stories?
5yes
5people upload or post stories
yeah totally
5people read them and leave reviews
5and other stuff
if you decide to use tikiwiki though..
5yes
5>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have a warning - there may be multiple ways to do what you want
5go on
5ok
so you'll have to read up on the features
to figure out which is the one more suited for what you want
for example, you can create the archive via articles, wiki pages, forums, etc..
blogs even..
5damn
5confusing
I haven't messed with the rating system, but I'm sure they should work
5maybe i can use it for personel
5use
5like post pictures
5my own files and stuff
yeah maybe
5?????
5can I
I dunno - I don't think there's much that it CAN'T do
5HAHAHAHA
5LOL
5oh well are u one of the developers
its just that you'll have to be prepared to tweakthings and the learning curve is a bit steep
nope
5yeah i guess
5u got a site like that
5can i see
yeah, I'm using it as an intranet
company intranet
5can i get link
5or something
nah sorry, its an intranet :P not accessible outside
5oh
but I read
5my bad read wrong
that mozilla uses tikiwiki
firefox ..dev site I think?
5i heard it sucked if there is a lot of stuff
5try this site
5wc4.fanficlinks.com/fanfiction
5uses Tikiwiki
5a lot of information and file download
5s
o damn
yea
haha
5the site is so slow
5goes to maientaince
I think b/c they have a lot of features turned on
5page
5what you think of it
5they guy that owns it
5contacted the developers
where's the page?
5and guess what there excuse was
5what page?
you said go to the maintenance?
nvm
what did they say
5i mean if a lot of people are using it
5it goes there
5they said they never thought some many people will use it
5and it will be that big
5well they said something like that
5not surfe
5sure*
I see
5its good though
the only instance I nkow of in which its true
5I love it
are the trackers
5i just think that it is a bit slow
it even says on tikiwiki dev site
or..doc site
5i guess
5ooh well later
that its not meant for a couple thousand items
5I love the software though
 New Forum Posts: Slow Smarty Template for tiki-trackerlist.tpl - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=32969
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r18662 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/block.add_help.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] add_help : probabily a typo, allow add_help to set the alt text of the
tikiwiki: icon
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18663 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-site_header.tpl: [FIX] Zero-height br in conditional comment to prevent top-bar custom code from overlapping siteloginbar in IE7.
polom
marclaporte, I missed out again.  Hope you had a good event...
it was great
popcorn is popping
;)
tikiwiki: 03marcoaasilva * r18664 10/tags/2.4/lang/pt-br/language.php: pt-br translation
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18665 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [FIX] Workaround for IE6's #siteloginbar position problems.
Hi everybody
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18666 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Full width + padding caused scrollbar.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18667 10/branches/3.0/styles/layout/layout.css: [FIX] Misc. improvements.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18668 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/orange/: [KIL] Replaced by 'copper'.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18669 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/ (8 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] Main theme is 'black' (monochrome); colors are options. (Since there can be a small delay before theme option colors display, it seems better to add color to monochrome than vice versa.)
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18670 10/mods/trunk/Packages/themes-andreas09_tiki_3.info.txt: [FIX] Updated reflecting file changes.
tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r18671 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] Grammar
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18672 10/mods/trunk/ (18 files in 5 dirs): [MOD] Updates for layout.css, theme options, suckerfish menu arrows, etc.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18673 10/mods/trunk/themes/eatlon_for_tiki_3/: [KIL] Redundant directory committed by mistake.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18674 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/ (copper.css green.css purple.css red.css): [FIX] Menuhover bg image for suckerfish menus.
relevant time-based greetings to all!
 New Forum Posts: Connecting to MSSQL Database? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=32973
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18675 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php: [FIX] Put back incorrectly deleted global $tikipath (thanks SylvieG)
Howdy, again :D
hi
I fully assume I can use the theme on esforces.com for the wiki style/theme, right?
^_^
jonnyb ?
polom
polom chibaguy - Skyriderz is asking about using a theme somewhere ("I fully assume I can use the theme on esforces.com for the wiki style/theme, right?")
i would say "assume makes an ass out of u and me" ;)
what is esforces.com? (never heard of it)
Skyriderz: the themes in the Tiki package and at mods.tw.o are all free to use - LGPL, GPL or Creative Commons Attribution license.
hi gary.. how r u ?
I meant the theme on esforces.com, the style its using :p
{wiki}{literal}{MODULE(module=>wiki_last_comments)/}{/literal}{/wiki} fixed my problem.
thanks a lot for that
Skyriderz: if the theme has a public license, you'd be free to use it. But if not, probably not.
I doubt if esforces.com wants their site cloned.
:s
I have total control over the site ^_^
well, ok, then. :-)
I wish to use it for wiki.esforces.com :p
Though I suck at css
that could be a problem
I tried looking for some tutorials, even on the themes website..
vkumar: I'm glad it worked. :-)
but that seemed to be in a complete different language.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18676 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-login.tpl: [MOD] Added warning message if feature_clear_passwords = y (admin_security already lists this if on)
ok gary.. :( time to leave.. Bye catch you later
in tiki 3, ways to do themes are different and easier. should be some docs coming pretty soon.
but, still ,you need to know the basics of css, etc.
I suppose I had in mind to learn when attempting to clone the site to the wiki.
:p
yeah, it should be possible.
huh, why do we have grey folder icons in strasa default now ?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18677 10/mods/trunk/goodies/batch_clean_structure/batch_clean_structure.php: some more messages
hi chibaguy 
hi luciash
it wasn't me. i didn't touch those icons. ;-)
it wasn't me either, i promised to not touch tiki code until release ;)
hello - grey folder icons...?
tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18678 10/branches/3.0/lang/de/language.php: [ENH] Translations and date format
ik - looks like me (again)
jonnyb: heh, thanks for the theme option support for them but yes, my default strasa shows the grey ones now on the blue background
that's bizarre - the mono ones have gone! (sure it was eclipse/svn conspiracy - i did have some odd updates - must have messed it up though - fixing now)
dunno, maybe i have to clear cache again ? hmmm
but i see that on tw.o too
no, it's real - (on my local working copy)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18679 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/pics/icons/ (folder.png ofolder.png): [FIX] Restore blue folder icons for strasa default
is there a module parameter like theme=tikipedia.css, to display a module only when that theme is used?
chibaguy: not sdeen one
sdeen=seen
jonnyb: thank you
jonnyb: did you restore to my transparent modifications ?
hmmm - N steps forward N*K steps back...
chibaguy: yes
um... not sure - i took them from trunk (my copy)
I was hoping to do the tikipedia "toolbox" as a regular module instead of special tpl file but don't want it appearing with other themes.
chibaguy: yes, it is there
luciash: yes, transparent blue ones
jonnyb: phew, thanks :)
the odd thing now is that the options/mono/pics dir is missing from the repo, but my local copy says they're already there (so i can't commit it) - definitely something gone screwy with my svn...
hi,i have small doubts,i have installed tikiwiki properly.now i want to change the server.should do the work from scratch or i transfer it.or least can i transfer userids file to new server.please help me 
ah, ok, thanks. now, if there was a wiki_page=y to only display on wiki pages, that'd be great. ;-)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18680 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/options/warm/: [KIL] Remove unused option dir
chibaguy: it's there
woohoo, is that the syntax?
am i clear ???:(
chibaguy: &section=
mib_oefp3i, you can dump and restore the database, I believe.
ah
mib_oefp3i: no problem just export your db and move the files
chibaguy: tiki-admin_modules.php hover the Parameters ;)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18681 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/options/mono/pics/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Replace missing grey icons (in the right place this time)
gottago - more tomorrow!
hmm I just get "Help link" in an empty popup....
but went to the doc.tw.o link... and it's working :-)
chibaguy: just hover it, it's in the tooltip
any idea why on tiki-searchresults.php the "Date Search:" is rendered twice in Opera ?
I tried, and got the box, but only a title in it.
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18682 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-edit_help.tpl tiki-searchresults.tpl): [MOD] homogenize add_help message with a click here
anyway, tikipedia for tiki3 is getting pretty close.
tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18683 10/branches/3.0/lang/de/language.php: [ENH] Translation
less non-standard code that in the previous version, and more flexible layouts, etc.
I am lost there are help buttone that give a blue popup with title and content - and there are - same icons that give a shadow popup ...
which one is the best?
luciash, i get that in the Milkyway theme I'm working on, but no other themes.
sylvieg, I'd ask jonnyb, but I'm not getting very good results in popups right now.
checking module parameters, i got a brown popup with only "Help link" title but no content.
(was hover over ? icon)
chibaguy: i get that in STrasa
sylvieg: what popups ?
hm, I just checked and was ok (but my svn may be several hours old)
thanks for suggestion i will try
luciash I sent a message on the cvs list .... ;-) 
perhaps a little storm ...
chibaguy: i get no pop-up in my Opera when i click the "Parameters" string on Admin > Modules
chibaguy: only the overlib tooltip with hint of possible parameters
chibaguy: on hover
sylvieg: heh
yeah, luciash, I only tried hover
ah, does it change when the jQuery tooltip is on ?
sorry, it was a blue popup on admin modules - title but no content
I have jquery on
i have jquery off maybe
no, i have jquery on too
with jquery off, I get a "?" "popup character" when hovering over the "?" icon, in opera (not very helpful ;-) )
goddamnit i thought help is optional feature on Features too ?
oh, the character is the help cursor
i have JQuery Tooltips on too, so i wonder why i get the old "overlib" tooltip style, while you say you get the "jquery Tooltip"
luciash, i used to be optional iirc
heh, i -> it
(I'm still optional ;-) )
old "overlib" i mean the blue-violet background tooltip
chibaguy: do i understand correctly that you see the jQuery tooltip with dark blue title bar and then the tooltip content ?
chibaguy: where was the checkbox to enable/disable Help ?
strasa-like colors, dark blue/light blue, and a shadow. that's jquery?
i just want to test how Tiki goes without it ;)
chibaguy: yes
chibaguy: found the checkbox on tiki-admin.php?page=general
ah, right. I just found it there in tiki 2. (was checking back)
this is funny, feature_help disabled, still i get the Help icon on tiki-searchresults.php :-p
I thought feature_help was only for link to doc.tw
sylvieg: now thanks to your change i get "Help: Click Here" as the title of shadowbox fullscreen help for Advanced Search from there :-p
hehe 
:-)
sylvieg: yes, but it shouldn't... it should be optional too i think
1) we have to choose between the {add_help} and the blue popup
2) I think like in advanced search , it must be something that stays in the window - I want to type my quey and see the help at the same time
sylvieg: can you rollbax/fix ? even funnier is when i open the help tool on the top right and i click the fullscreen expand icon, i get "Help: Help: Click Here"
:-p
Hi, I just found a works-for-me solution on this:
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2435
Can anybody give advise whether it is worth checking in?
sylvieg: i don't know where the blue popup goes but maybe for these little icons when not linking to doc.tw.o for short help it could work
awolff: solution for what ?
(but I really spent 30mn yesterday evening to try to debug why the ? in advanced search was not giving a popup....)
the following bug: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2435
sylvieg: i haven't seen this icon anywhere else than in the Search Results page, where else is it used ?
and with contribution - I have a 3- popup - a purple one...
!bug 2435
awolff, looks like a good idea to make that change.
help in contribution when editing  a page - help in admin->modules params
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
....and help in #tikiwiki ;-)
chibaguy: do you understand that behaviour?
sylvieg: i have only the old overlib tooltip in admin->modules params
sylvieg: i'll test the contribution (must enable it first)
this is fun :-)
no, I don't really understand why it would make a difference.
chibaguy: if the margin is em I do not get the file dialog, if it is in px I get it.
sylvieg: can you roll back the Click Here change until we find another solution ? this is not good change imho to break the "Advanced Search" title
apparently some browser quirk, or something not obvious. But the change should be made, I think.
in fact Iwas trying to roll back to a consistent behavior - but it is so messy
hello
I hav a problem with a [reply to] link in a mail generated by a forum
is it the good place to talk about?
sylvieg: where the heck is this feature switched on ? i search for it on Admin > Wiki > Features :-p
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18684 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-edit_help.tpl tiki-searchresults.tpl): rollback 18682
reno-: yes
sylvieg: thx
tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18685 10/branches/2.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] bug 2435: File galeries did not present an upload dialogue if the margin is in "em". (Firefox 3.0.10)
contribution? admin->features
sylvieg: ah, fine, i thought it's wiki only feature
the problem is the replyto link which had two slash after the domain name : eg : http://tapemovie.org//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=36#form
reno-: what's the problem ? the link works
so the link is right, but when I click on [post] after typing an answer, the adress is http://tiki-view_forum_thread.php/ and I loose my answer
awolff: good catch. :-)
in admin->modules->user modules - it is also iverlib
tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18686 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] !bug 2435: File galeries did not present an upload dialogue if the margin is in "em". (Firefox 3.0.10)
chibaguy: I took out one element after the other until I found this ... 
I hope I'm clear
reno-: ah, you can workaround it if you use apache rewrite rules... i have no idea where the extra slash comes from now
awolff: I feel your pain. ;-)
Maybe I could try to use [apache rewrite rules] ... is it a complicated task?
sylvieg: i'm on tiki-admin_contribution.php and see no help icon
reno-: for a newbie ? yes :)
awolff: the other themes are ok, i just checked.
ok... thank for the help ... 
activate contribution for wiki - and edit a page
you have also the overlib popup in admin->modules->user modules
chibaguy: I was wondering that at other places the css uses em-margins as well, not sure about the implications ...
<luciash> you think it will be useful to add an entry in the bug tracker?
Is there a way to synchronise a menu with contents of the middle? I.e. the menu item that is related to the contents is always selected/highlighted?
margins in ems are pretty common, afaik, and not usually a problem.
tiki's menu system gives a class to the link that's selected (about the synchronizing), which can be styled, like bold or italic or whatever
awolff: more or less
Can it automatically open the menu tree depending on the contents in the middle?
yes
in 3
Should I just read the manual or where can I find more about this?
reno-: search for it if it wasn't filed yet and yes, if you add you have more chances for replies from other devs as well
doc.tw is again dead for me ... it should be in module admin page...
reno-: maybe it was already fixed in recent Tiki code, i have no clue now
luciash : ok, I will hav a look . Tx
I'm interested too about the class of the item menu actually selected. Where could I found some exemple bout? or the class name?
sept_7 seems to be in very bad mood
you could use firefox and firebug add-on to check the classes in the page. there aren't docs, really, afaik.
still waiting sunce 2 mn doc.tw to come up...
doc.tw is fine here
reno-: try Firefox Firebug or Web Developer extension... it will tell you exactly the class name
I've had mixed results with doc.tw.o in the last few hours
oops, sorry, chibaguy already told it :)
 {menu id=n menu_cookie=n} must eb used
luciash: do you really want a shadow box for advanced search?
I will prefre to have a box open in the page
because I want to see the documentation when I type a query...
sylvieg: you have the big help icon on the right top
the little one is just quick help tip
so perhaps we can delete the little ?
yes, maybe but maybe better would be link to doc.tw.o as it is for all the others
i didn't get exactly why this was special and different
I agree for a link to doc.tw
i didn't see a point of having two icons on the page displaying the same thing
+1
and in fact the little ? should be on the page title
i think the {add help} with show="y" would be useful when the big help icon tool was optional and user could choose which one to display
+1 too
you can keep it there if it's only the Advanced checkbox related
link to doc.tw.o
if it's global help for search, then on title of course
luciash : tx for the firebug tip
Is there a possibillity for a user to apply for membership in a group which gets aproved by a "group admin"?
reno-: thanks to chibaguy i started using it too :)
it is kind of a heavy resource user, but is a good tool.
chibaguy: do you use dragonfly for Opera too ?
i tried it but it seemed awkward to use. anyway, gotta eat now. will be back soon.
bbl too
interesting the login bar on doc.tw.org is not working on IE7
re :)
interesting i get no theme when choosing Site Default :-p
on my local 3.0
I remember I got this when my site default had a old theme
hmm, it should be strasa
ok, logged out, changed to thenews, changed to site default and it's plain xhtml again :-/
it's broken, bueheheheh :-p
btw, yay, thanks someone fixed the CODE plugin renders <?php echo "foo"; ?> properly again with colors=php !
hi, hast tikiwiki something like a versioneering system for file- and imagegalleries? I want to get something like "three new images since..." or file changed... like the functions get_page_info and get_page_history... not for pages but for imagegalleries and filegalleries
Did something change for collapsible sections between beta 4 and RC1?
it seems broken in RC1
but if I try to delete the little help in search result - the big help disappears too
sylvieg: don't delete it ! only set show='n'
thanks
and put it under
or nope, leave it there in place, just set show='n'
in case JS is off it will render there though (you can try)
and put the help link icon on title
For Collapsible sections, I can't get the [+] and the section title on the same line
it worked in beta 4
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18687 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [FIX]search: help on the title to the doc + take away the little help near advanced search - as redundant with the big help + some label and classes for styling like find.tpl
height:50px;padding-top:2px;
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18688 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] button: deploy button in comment-footer + Fix button plugin with _auto_args param + add _anchor param in query plugin + deploy auto_query_args in tiki-index.php (thks nyloth)
I have just try with firebug to know the name of the class of the active item in the menu, but all the item hav the same class : horbaritem
sylvieg: I think when doc.tw.o is updated, the login will work in IE7. I did a commit several hours ago to prevent tiki-top custom code div from overlapping the log in form.
ah ok - thx chibaguy
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18689 10/branches/3.0/styles/darkroom.css: fix the top right corner login box location, was not visible
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18690 10/branches/3.0/styles/tikinewt.css: fix the top right corner login box location, was not visible
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18691 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-show_calendar.tpl tiki-show_calendar.php): [KIL] show_calendar: remove some obviously unused files
chibaguy : could you give me a theme's name which have a the active class for menu's item?
reno-: you have to switch from using PHPLayerMenus to CSS menus to have this "current item" i think but maybe i'm wrong
reno-: strasa does, if you're using suckerfish menus.
luciash : I will hav a look in admin panel
chibaguy : I will try it
huh ??? who changed the logo on dev.tw.o now ? :-/
reno-: it's li.selected.
how can i know it's dev site now from the logo ?
the url?
i mean at first sight
you're right, luciash, it needs "dev" on there somewhere.
and why the bland color there also?
and there should be full project name imho, it's not just about Tiki release :-\
bland ?
the white header bg
chibaguy : ok, good !!
I thought it could be dark blue
reno-: you can check at http://zukakakina.com/tw3/ if you like. css menu is used there.
i thought it too but MatWho complained it's too distracting
hard to come to agreement on subjective things.
amette: svn up dev.tw.o pls
I was going to say 'just look at sourceforge' (example of colored top bar) then I saw http://sourceforge.net/
is matwho involved in that site, by any chance? ;-) 
not at all i think ;)
but the rest is black header, right ?
on sf.net
yeah, that's true.
and people can handle it ok.
i mean colored header bars are so common on the net, people probably hardly notice them.
i don't think there's any danger of them being a distraction.
sure, i agree it can be useful for the doc.tw.o but not necessary for dev.tw.o
yeah, I thought so too.
revolution ? ;)
just joking ;)
well, maybe after the craziness of the release, this can be talked about some more.
but i haven't seen any discussion to replace with that logo on dev.tw.o :-\
no...
i'd agree if it wasn't that much different (no Tiki Wiki+CMS+Gr)
I don't understand why there's no indication that it's the dev site.
it's in the SItetitle but it's invisible due to the white text on white background :-P
oh
that's the title color we talked about here, right?
it's fixed i think, just needs svn up
right
ok, at least for that part
that logo is also way too wide, imo.
the image includes a lot of white space to the right
i'll rollback to the previous logo just without the "grafitti text" as seen here i think → http://info.tikiwiki.org/Fact+Sheet
or was the idea to center the site title text?
luciash: dev is svn up
amette: great ! thx
mornin' all
hi all
hi guys
konishuwa, ahoj, hallo
morning, MartinCleaver (and it is almost morning here ;-) ) 
:)
luciash: errr.... I upped doc.tw.o... :P
konnichiwa, Yoni_
let me do dev now ;)
hi all :)
amette: oops :D
(which category best for Nominate Tiki for the 2009 Community Choice Awards ?)
Yoni_: i voted for best project and the last one
Interesting - checking the logs, my revision (svn 18659) didn't get announced by CIA-46 in the IRC channel
MartinCleaver: sometimes it happens
ah, ok.
shame, it was my first tiki commit!
k
Revision: 18659            http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/?rev=18659&view=rev  Author:   mrjc  Date:     2009-05-11 20:52:37 +0000 (Mon, 11 May 2009)    Log Message:  -----------  [FIX] plugin editor was discarding parameters not listed in module_info (jonnyb, ?\194?\160as discussed on IRC with nkoth, please help to review. Thanks)
LOL
A little late and not the real bot, but....
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18692 10/branches/3.0/lib/structures/structlib.php: backport from trunk - to have the batch_structure working
heh, thanks chibaguy ;)
sure, and congratulations :-)
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luciash: dev is svnup
thx amette
I know it is not really a tiki event even if we are talking about 3.0 version.... i'm gonna be dad for the third time. :)
yw
hey, cool - congrats Yoni_ :D
tks... now we have drums, guitar, bass, voice... i'll had to work for sax and keyboard :)
hehe ;)
hmm, maybe I shouldn't have tried to clear the caches...
amette: is it normal that it takes a long time to clear the caches on doc.tw.o?
congrats Yoni_
nkoth3: hmmm.... dunno... it's been a long time that I did that...
there's not much load on the machine - it should all work well...
let me restart my browser and see if it helps
hmm, ok..
ok, the images are back
huh, images?
someone must have svn updated earlier?
yup
just a couple of minutes ago
without a preferences cache clear, the images will not show, coz img plugin is enabled by default (bu tin the pref)
what the hell
aaaah, ok..
i enabled img wiki plugin on dev.tw.o and got huuuuge list of disabled 
:-p
same reason.
because preferences are cached
aaaah :)
so you are still running on old preferences....
when you set it
it still not know the existence of the new ones (unless you cleared cache between the svn update and your setting)
damn, so what plugins should i enable back from the list now :-p
there should not be any effect 
all of them i suppose .)
the disabling is for the inline setting for the plugin, not for the plugin itself
all of the ones which were disabled
aaaaaaah
you're right, sorry i missed that "wikiplugininline"
i have read that as "wikiplugin" :)
right, that was why I asked you yesterday if that was changable
because I realized it could be confused
but translating so many is .... well a lot
:)
amette: did you svn update dev also? - should clear the preferences cache also
nkoth3: i was talking about dev.tw.o
oh right
sorry
Yoni_: congratulations! (I just got back to the keyboard.)
Yoni_: yeah, great
Ah ah ! who's the man ! (wife is out !)
*g*
:-)
The logo is a bit too tall for the bg at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php, or should be less padding above it.
the logo's text is cut off at bottom (well, looking in opera, anyway)
chibaguy: read the mails :-\
uh, yeah, I did
if the results were fantastic, I wouldn't be bothered so much by the process, but... sorry, but doc.tw.o looks quite unprofessional to me right now.... 
looks like random placement of objects in the header area
and no real design on the rest of the page, just a mix of stuff
i don't know if patrick is laughing or crying (compare to original strasa design).
i suggested use only the logo without any text something like we have on profiles.tw.o and add the sitetitles next to it but apparently it was ignored... :-\
see http://profiles.tikiwiki.org
if there's concern about appearance, I don't think the horizontal menu up there looks so good; it'd be much cleaner without them. 
or if we stay with the text in the graphics of the logo it must be TikiWiki (not just Tiki) for the project sites name
either that or coordinate the menu with the other text some way -- alignment, style, something
chibaguy: yes, i don't speak about the menu, but the logo only
and the boxes down in the page are overdone and make things look too close together. I'd get rid of them and use whitespace.
chibaguy: on doc.tw.o ?
yep
i mean in the center column
boxes in a box
yeah (passing luciash, going over to dev.tw.o) dev is cleaner without the top menu
but you're right about the logo and site title at dev.tw.o - it's repetitive
well, it's repetitive because i rolled it back kind of
and as long as I'm ranting, I don't think the left-column bg color and login bg color work very well by themselves. The original dark blue topbar kind of bridged them or somehow made them all ok together...
i think i give up and change it back and let the others figure out
...but without the dark blue, the other two look kinda unrelated to me, not so nice.
but just imho, of course.
well, thanks for your efforts.
dev.tw.o: better ? *g*
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18693 10/trunk/templates/ (modules/mod-login_box.tpl wiki-plugins/error_tracker.tpl): [MOD] deploy button plugin to 2 more templates
well, at least the logo and site title don't repeat so much, but I'm still reading "wiki cms groupware" twice.
chibaguy: it was a "joke"
oh 
what about this jok ? :-p
*joke
(hard to know when people are serious or joking, on this topic ;-) )
It was a joke joke, I hear hear.
"Knock, knock."
the original strasa was good, I thought, because it was so simple. color was not a factor at all.
water under the bridge...
so the last good looking is tw.o it seems
well, it's my personal favorite, then info.tw.o.
bbl
hi all :)
how goes the 3.0 "release"?
ricks99 : still resolving kinks
k. tx
hi rick
hi yoni :)
how you are doing ?
anxiously awaiting 3.0 :)
:)
if I run release.php with --no-tagging and --no-first-update can I trust that it's not going to write back to the repository?
yes i think it will worth it...
aaaah, ok..
the code sometimes uses `` & sometimes passthru : calls to svn are not stratified into svntools.php
huh, what? did I say that?
:P
lol
** huh... rick's ears just perked up 
:)
*G*
just ran svn up, ran new install w/ default profile.... still no logo
** rick really thinks the tw should b in the default profile... looks like something is 'missing'
looks like I need --no-secdb too
ricks99, marclaporte removed the logo, 
I gather you are not on the devel mailing list?
y. had talked w/ him yesteday. thought conviced to re-add it, plus some admin only in the custom code 
i guess not enuf :)
i have no more power to rant
so, if we have logo and some thing admin only in the custom code to indicate way to remove it, and also suggest clear cache, seems to me a good idea
nkoth3: all the ingrediences were already sent to marc, now it's up to you to put them in the cook ;)
anyone know why tiki does not honor the %l (lower case "L") for time format
php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php says it is valid
is this a tiki problem? or my php?
luciash: starting the stove...
ricks99: it is a tw problem
not everything is implemented in the date lib
ah. tx sylvieg
I think it is lib/pear/Date.php that is incomplete
tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18694 10/mods/trunk/features/aulawiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
tikiwiki: workspaceslib: get_workspace_type_by_id returns an array, not a string wstype.
tikiwiki: mod-workspace_my: corrected an error in hiding workspaces with hyde= 'y'
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18695 10/branches/3.0/lib/structures/structlib.php: [FIX]structure: demote was not updating the pos of the previous brothers (but the pos of the previous uncles)
So I hate being 'that guy' but this collapsible sections thing is iirking me, anyone know if they changed/broke it between beta 4 and RC1?
it's not working like it used to
and it was one of the features I really liked, now I can't show it off to others
do you have an url?
the [+] is below the section, and much smaller, instead of on the same line
not one you can access from the internet
http://pastebin.com/d698e84f0
thats the code
and what us your theme?
it gives me the section name on one line (in big font) and then a little [+] on the next line
Dark...something
Darkroom
I have a beta4 setup and an RC1 that are pretty identical
I thought it was always on 2 lines
one line on my beta 4 setup, which I thought was normal
if you have an email you don't mind sending me, I can send you screen shots
in tiki2 it was on 2 lines
so what was the version it was on one line?
 New Forum Posts: Blog/Wiki crossreference? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=32979
in http://dev.tikiwiki.org/how%2Bto%2Brelease "To make a list of all possible feature_names used in the code"
is there a grep that would find these?
Assuming nkoth3 wants this done I can do this
sorry Sylvieg, meeting called
it's 1 line in 3.0b4
!- Hidden Content (click to expand)
gives me:   [+] Hidden Content (click to expand)
there is an option feature_wiki_show_hide_before
tikiwiki: 03mrjc * r18696 10/trunk/doc/devtools/ (release.php tikirelease.sh): release.php now has --no-commit to avoid commit steps and ; tikirelease.sh is more verbose
where's that at?
I don't recognize it, but maybe I came across it and forgot in b4
CIA-46 is in action
Think I found it in Admin -> Wiki
A HA, you're a genious
Thank you so much for that, thought I was losing my mind
 18270    sylvieg 		echo color("\nUpload the files on SourceForge.\nInstructions can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/59uubv\n\n", 'cyan');
 18481    sylvieg    http://tinyurl.com/59uubv
doesn't exist
(from release.php)
that would be because the whole space has disappeared from SF
MartinCleaver: sourceforge must have moved the page.
can change it later I suppose
???
sylvieg: this was a link in the release.php file pointing to sourceforge wiki for instructions on how to upload files to sf
added by you some time back?
question: do we continue to bug fix in 3.0 unitl release - or we have to move now
sylvieg: what kind of bug?
BLOGLIST has a broken date + muissing sefurl
we are still waitin gfor the 4 profiles to be complete, and the defatult homepage to be enhanced
those should be finished soon (by end of today)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18697 10/trunk/ (53 files in 33 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 18627 to 18695
sylvieg: i think we should get ready for release soon, as I have only one more commit left...., but it looks like BLOGLIST patch could be harmless
i realise that with jquery on each page takes 38 requests... but I thought that the js files would be cached Am I doing some wong in my browser settngs?
or is there a way to transfer all the js files as one chunk in zipped compressed form or someting?
anyway, I'll turn it off and test more...
now 25.... now turning off mootools
Never trust mootools over 25?
i now have 20... but still have suckerfish/phplayers/shadowbox on so...
lol
in 4.0 we have to figure out more efficient distrbution of js
TW needs more ways to make content appear to be files which don't need cookies, so more stuff will get cached.
Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
SEWilco2: yes
is it safe to use same db with a tw2.2 and a tw3.0 ?
suspens....
you have to upgrade the db to be usuable in 3
ok, i mean this i knew but could this prevent my 2.2 to use the db (testing for now) ?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18698 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]BLOGLIST: respect perm + sefurl + multilingual date + use a tpl
no idea
ok duplication is best
:)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18699 10/branches/3.0/templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_bloglist.tpl: [FIX]BLOGLIST: Blog post title was supporting html -> no escape
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18700 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Do not show edit plugin icons in features other than wikis since they won't save the changes anyway
good night all, i'm heading to bed... bbl
goodnight
tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18701 10/mods/trunk/features/aulawiki/templates/tiki-workspaces_resource_types.tpl: Put back the whole drop-down selection menu for adding new objects to workspace
anyone noticed that our new logo does not fit into the space available in the theme in dev.tw.o?
when logged out...
same with doc for that matter.... probably css fixable...
installing a svn tw3.0 i got 2 errors while upgrading my db... if it helps :
# 2008-10-04 lphuberdeau
INSERT INTO `tiki_menu_options` (`optionId`, `menuId`, `type`, `name`, `url`, `position`, `section`, `perm`, `groupname`, `userlevel`) VALUES (197,42,'o','Mind Map','tiki-mindmap.php',255,'feature_wiki_mindmap','tiki_p_view','',0)
Duplicate entry '197' for key 1
INSERT INTO users_permissions (permName, permDesc, level, type) VALUES ('tiki_p_search_categorized', 'Can search on objects of this category', 'basic', 'category')
Duplicate entry 'tiki_p_search_categorized' for key 1
using Tiki installer v3.0 rc1
should be no issue
these duplicate entries
strange though
tikiwiki: 03wggley * r18702 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: [FIX] Updating tables with user information.
Howdy, again :P
I'm wondering. I know I have a lot of questions, but does tiki has the option to enable some kind of navigation? Browse pages.
Guess I found it :)
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/groups-add-example-2.png
This should be under "admin groups", right?
Oddly enough, I do see the usergroups..
Just not the "add new group" part
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18703 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl: [FIX] do not allow changing of username field when changing password when username is already provided (otherwise users might try to change their username)
tikiwiki: 03wggley * r18704 10/trunk/templates/ (5 files): [FIX] Displaying name of user instead of login based on the user_show_realnames preference.
Oh, I have a small question when someone's around. I know I should just ask, but if I have to go soon and no one's around, no point in asking :)
wheres everybody @
what's the question?
Is it possible to add specific pages within the menu on a specific page?
Like, if you visit the page named "awesome", that in the left menu, it'll show automaticly a set of pages that you can add/select.
Much like a category.
hmm
sections
i think the options in edit menu options allow you to set links to show based on sections, permission, and group
(not category)
But you can't add manually?
specific pages?
i suppose there might be ways....
like in a User module?
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Module+Parameters
Mm
modules can be shown on certain pages only
But it's not exactly the same as menu items...
http://www.maps.gov.ck/tiki-map.php?mapfile=Outer%20Islands%20Water%20and%20Power%20Reticulation%20Feasibility%20Study.map  map interface is shown but not the map..HELP!
What about the sections you were talkinga bout? :)
like feature_search, feature_wiki and so on
I wonder if there is a BB code system for Tiki
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18705 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] Add warning message to avoid users setting store session in db and getting themselves into trouble
FF|Skyrider: there is wiki syntax :) 
Well..
I can't really see that as BB code.
That's much different
did you try page=your+page in admin->modules
tikiwiki: 03stojanovim * r18706 10/trunk/lib/core/lib/Multilingual/MachineTranslation/GoogleTranslateWrapper.php: - fixed a bug, GoogleTranslate tests work fine now
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Module+Parameters
and do different menu
 http://www.maps.gov.ck/tiki-map.php?mapfile=Outer%20Islands%20Water%20and%20Power%20Reticulation%20Feasibility%20Study.map  map interface is shown but not the map..HELP!
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18707 10/branches/3.0/tiki-mods.php: [FIX] (UI) Default to show 3.0+ mods, to avoid clutter of lots of old mods by default
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18708 10/branches/3.0/tiki-mods.php: [FIX] typo in prev commit
vilisi_t: for map, the best person to ask is franck_
:-/
which you probably know?
nkoth3: yup
anyone here willing to help on some "make graceful degradation for IE6" type issues in 3.0?
rant: http://www.realisingdesigns.com/weblog/2009/01/07/how-many-people-still-use-ie6/
ok, cu tomorrow