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ricks99: @FF|Skyrider: if you enable the "use email as login" tiki enforces unique email per user
FF|Skyrider: I wish to stick with username, rather than email login
ricks99: in that case, there is nothing in place to require unique email
<br> <u>anyone</u>: status of 3.0?
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silentvoice84: Hi, i was looking for sometime but i couldnt find any advanced search, like to select categories or tags to search within
ricks99: you can search within categories on the Category: Browse page.
<br> same with tags
silentvoice84: but i need to list the categories first
<br> then search within it
ricks99: the category browse page lists all cats
<br> i believe you can also search (for wiki pages, anyway) from the List Pages - you can also qualify your search by category
<br> for example, http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-listpages.php
<br> see docs for details
silentvoice84: ok i got a bit lost here
<br> pages = wiki pages ?
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ricks99: r u trying to find wiki pages or any site page?
silentvoice84: no wiki ofc
<br> but are the categories applied to all pages ? or only to wiki one ?
ricks99: categories can be applied site-wide. however, the tiki-listpages.php lists only *wiki* pages
<br> if u want to search for *all* objects within a specirfic cateogry, use the category: browse page
silentvoice84: cool
<br> what if i want to get wiki pages categories ?
<br> i need also to select categories then wikipages
ricks99: then use the tiki-list_pages. it lets you limit the view by category
silentvoice84: but its not really "advanced search"
<br> like to see all options at one page and select what u need
<br> you got to have a basic knowlage of tiki to know how it works
ricks99: i do not believe that the tiki search will let you filter by category or tags
silentvoice84: thats what i ment
<br> i think its good to have filter
ricks99: im pretty sure there is already an rfe for it
silentvoice84: rfe = request ?
<br> request featear
<br> ok got it
<br> feature*
ricks99: request for enhancement (i.e., feature request)
<br> ur welcome to vote for it or add a new one
<br> see dev.tikiwiki.org for details
silentvoice84: great
<br> i feel its like a backbone of tiki to have something like that
ricks99: tiki's internal search has always been a weak point :(
<br> although, *vastly* improved in 3.0
silentvoice84: the one on the website is 3.0 ?
ricks99: i think
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otrotabi: hi everyone, has anyone tried dbreport plugin with tiki 3.0 ?
luciash: polom
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nkoth3: hi
luciash: hi nelson
<br> <u>nkoth3</u>: how's it going ?
nkoth3: <u>luciash</u>: at the translation workshop yesterday, we had 30+ participants. really busy.
<br> <u>luciash</u>: How is 3.0 looking?
<br> will you be around for some hours more today, luciash?
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luciash: <u>nkoth3</u>: maybe later evening CET, we'll go out for family biking soon
nkoth3: ok. I am just trying to see when there might be enough people around to help test, for release purpose...
luciash: but now still some time, cca 45 mins. i'll be here
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jonnyb: hi all, how goes the release? ;)
marclaporte: hi!
<br> We had a workshop with 35 people yesterday
<br> It went so-so
<br> 35 people, with varying skill levels, and interests
<br> It was a challenge to cater to everyone
<br> And there were bugs in 3.0 which caused slowdowns and issues
nkoth3: <u>luciash</u>: yesterday, for 3.0 we discovered that the login box does not show on IE
marclaporte: In IE, login box doesn't appear in certain themes. That is quite problematic
nkoth3: for strasa it did not
<br> I mean, i know for strasa for sure the login box did not appear
luciash: thenews is still default ?
nkoth3: the login button is there, but the boxes can't be seen
luciash: IE6 7 8 or all ?
nkoth3: we had ie7 there
<br> (did not test other ie)
marclaporte: Also, when people turned off a feature, it didn't work right away. The trainers (Nelson, LP, Olaf, etc.) had to go from PC to PC to clear cache
luciash: wow, 35 people
marclaporte: with a non technical crowd, changing the logo is way too difficult
<br> overall conclusion: even with profiles, many things are way too complicated
nkoth3: <u>marclaporte</u>: can't do anything about the logo in 3.0 I think
luciash: is that why you still didn't release ?
marclaporte: unrelated
<br> we were just busy
nkoth3: well, it is only 9.30 am here
luciash: okay
nkoth3: just got up :)
luciash: it's +6 hours here ;)
marclaporte: tiki 3.0 is better/easier than 2.0
nkoth3: but I think we should fix the IE7 login box before release
luciash: which themes ?
nkoth3: strasa for sure
marclaporte: But when you train people, it's a reminder that Tiki for Tiki to grow, the interface has to be even better
<br> There should be basic & advanced mode for most common things (menus, modules, Site Identity, etc)
luciash: <u>nkoth3</u>: can you give me a site latest 3.0 SVN with strasa, where the problem appears ?
<br> <u>nkoth3</u>: i can see what i can do about it
marclaporte: demo.tikiwiki.org -> pick one
<br> ex.: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/sara/tiki-index.php
luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: thanks, i just need to be sure it's latest
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: trying marc/
<br> nah, it's too customized
nkoth3: <u>luciash</u>: what do you mean too customized?
luciash: there's the big UN ad banner
marclaporte: try Sara
luciash: i have no IE7 here currently so i need some site where i can edit and test in http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php
<br> ok
<br> ah, yup, i see now, in IE7 the login is on the white background pushed down there
<br> can you give me admin there ?
<br> i registered as luci
marclaporte: actually, I don't have admin password there
<br> I will find another. Hold on.
luciash: theoretically it could be fixed by using a CSS hack valid for IE7 only by positioning the login bar some more pixels up there using margin-top: 24px or something
<br> or put it in the css/IE7.css
<br> sorry marc, i gotta leave now... will come later and try to fix
<br> bbl
marclaporte: tks
luciash: err, margin-top: -24px ;)
<br> later
jonnyb: sorry, off-topic i know - but, where do i find how to set up a local profiles repo? have been searching profiles.tw.o for ages...
marclaporte: <u>jonnyb</u>: : there is a profile to do that
jonnyb: :))
<br> silly me - found it, thx
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: will you be around in a few hours?
jonnyb: no, 'fraid i'm off out in a couple of hours & probably back late - sorry
marclaporte: <u>jonnyb</u>: you have mail
jonnyb: coo, ta :)
marclaporte: :-)
<br> So let's discuss revision 18778
nkoth3: hi, marclaporte mentioned to me something abt strasa being better everywhere except ie6...
-: marclaporte is wondering how we could avoid side-effects in IE6 and still make the installer nice in Firefox, etc.
jonnyb: <u>marclaporte</u>: hmmm, ok - fair point(s) - so should i fix it now (in 3.0)?
marclaporte: can we have a switch?
nkoth3: what's the fix approach...?
marclaporte: Ideal is CSS fix, but if we show thenews.css to IE6 and strasa to the others, perhaps it's less work?
jonnyb: it's just cosmetic problems, right?
marclaporte: yes, just cosmetic
nkoth3: ok. first thing I see is a transparent png logo thing
<br> the logo white covers the "line"
jonnyb: i'd just got stuck on GroupMail anyway as it seems edit page is broken on trnuk for me ;( (possibly rewrite rules thing locally, i hope!)
<br> i'm thinking of some IE6 conditionals in the installer pages for now - less possibility of leakage
nkoth3: well, as I can see, only the logo is the big thing
<br> how to use another logo, e.g. transparent if for ie6?
<br> trans gif?
jonnyb: or we just make the topbar white?
nkoth3: (but the logo cuts down over the "line" as well)
jonnyb: not if there isn't a line ;)
nkoth3: ah right, if it's all white, there is no line, right?
<br> that will work
<br> but
<br> well
<br> is there a way to use a tranparent gif instead for ie6
jonnyb: fair point - i'll check
nkoth3: becaue the profiles are using strasa as well
jonnyb: you mean not in the installer?
<br> i have about an hour (less) so was planning tjust to fix the installer now
nkoth3: that's fair
<br> (the user can arguably change the logo anyway if they install a profile)
jonnyb: ok, gif doesn't look too bad - now some code...
marclaporte: where can we turn on the IE6 transparency thing?
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marclaporte: beta4!
nkoth3: MArtinCleaver
marclaporte: get rc2 :-)
nkoth3: hi
MartinCleaver: ah
<br> well there you go
<br> the topic says "check out 3.0beta"
<br> the channel doesn't seem to want me to change the topic either
<br> Hi nkoth3
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nkoth3: ok.
<br> we should be packaging later today, in a few hours
MartinCleaver: looks like it was already up to date. Upping my laptop copy
nkoth3: basically waiting for luciash to get back.
MartinCleaver: ok - do you know what the timeline is on that? I'd like to plan my day.
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MartinCleaver: hey, can I rename tikirelease.sh to packagetiki.sh ?
Sug4r: About as likely as pigs flying.
MartinCleaver: ok. normal, herding cats effort then.
<br> nothing wrong with that
CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18861 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Use transparent GIF for installer tiki3 logo on IE6
nkoth3: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: why?
MartinCleaver: why rename?
nkoth3: let's set it at 4 hours from now.
jonnyb: ok, shall i have a look at this login box issue while i'm in obsolete mode? (in strasa right?)
nkoth3: MartinCleaver, yes, why rename?
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: sure, if you are not doing anything else
jonnyb: not any more ;)
<br> oh, also - what about this single quotes in img params fix? no one else found this a problem?
MartinCleaver: because release.php does preparation - such as updating copyright file (so it is not "releasing"), and tikirelease.sh creates zips, and other packages, it also does not release. They both lead to releasing, but neither are, and having two called release is a little confusing.
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: the single quotes thing?
<br> was there any problem?
<br> <u>MartinCleaver</u>: well, let's not change the file name for now
MartinCleaver: ok
<br> <u>nkoth3</u>: is 6pm ok?
nkoth3: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: for today's release, we should build the pre3.0 packages first (i.e. without tagging)
MartinCleaver: ok
nkoth3: this allows us to have packages to check , before really tagging...
<br> basically ... follow the instructions to the letter...
MartinCleaver: we could delete that last tag, as it was bogus
nkoth3: 6 pm is late
<br> can it be earlier?
<br> maybe 5 pm
MartinCleaver: I can aim for 5 but I can't promise we'll be back prior to 6
<br> I can be available by phone though
nkoth3: that does not help :)
MartinCleaver: if that's ant help!!
nkoth3: ok, aim for 5, if not 6
MartinCleaver: :)
<br> ok
<br> thx
nkoth3: btw we were talking EDT (UTC -4) ^^^
jonnyb: sorry nkoth3 - back - the single quotes thing: no it works fine for me but if i'm the only one that's found it needing fixing then maybe it doesn't need to go into 3.0 now (what with the "freeze" and all ;) )
nkoth3: you never know - others may use single quotes too
<br> you already committed it right?
jonnyb: i'm getting even worse weirdness in ie6 - login box & menu all on top of each other
<br> similar problem i guess
nkoth3: yeah, that's a separate problem (not affecting installer right?)
jonnyb: <u>nkoth3</u>: not yet - shall i? (committed to trunk and proposed already)
<br> right - not installer (ie6) - strasa, checking out http://demo.tikiwiki.org/sara/tiki-index.php
nkoth3: thelogin box jumps to the top in IE6 I think, going on top of the menu
jonnyb: yup
nkoth3: This is not the same problem as in IE7, where the login box is in the white area (but covered by it)
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jonnyb: nice
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: would it be better to only strip single quotes arond the src param?
jonnyb: it was the same for all (width height etc not working)
nkoth3: it also begs the question if other similar plugins are affected
<br> what about title?
<br> did you use title?
<br> that's where it is most likely used, in strings with spaces
<br> I wonder how it worked on doc...
jonnyb: title? is that a wiki {img} param?
nkoth3: i think so
jonnyb: certainly alt got double quoted
<br> so it would appear as 'alt text'
<br> but that's why i'm only replacing single quotes at start and end of param value
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jonnyb: ok, have a fix for ie6 strasa login box, but still can't make the logo appear - should i commit? (new styles/strasa/ie6.css file - don't like adding new files this late)
nkoth3: a file like that that only executes in ie6 should be fine
jonnyb: that's what i thought - will do
<br> dont understand why the logo's missing though...
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: lol about the logo
jonnyb: it's in the right place - just invisible...
<br> aha! it appears if you set feature_iepngfix (and is transparent too!)
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: as for your single quotes fix, something in my gut doesn't like it. I think most people would have not used single quotes for params anyway, and if alt get's rendered as "'alt text'" it's not fatal, right? The wiki help and doc.tw.o both render the syntax with double quotes or no quotes around the src and numeric params. It's almost like maybe it should not have supported single quotes in the first place... or maybe we should do so. I'm just not
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nkoth3: it's just a gut thing, and a "if we have to think so hard about it, maybe we should just not do it" type of thing
jonnyb: <u>nkoth3</u>: likewise (gut feeling), i'll leave it for 3.1 & reconsider
<br> ok, gottagooutnow - good luck with the packaging etc, i'll catch up later when i return
nkoth3: k
<br> thanks
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xavi: toctoc
MartinCleaver: tictic
xavi: hi MartinCleaver :-)
MartinCleaver: ;)
xavi: any news about tiki 3 release?
MartinCleaver: still in rc2 mode
<br> waiting for luciash
xavi: do you know any plan/schedule to release 3.0?
<br> ah, ok
<br> I'll read the log for today
MartinCleaver: "today" afaik
xavi: I read something about him going on family bike trip...
MartinCleaver: ah
xavi: and nkoth3 requesting for people to test...
<br> so I?ll be around for the next 3 hours or so
<br> I volunteer for testing or whatever else I can manage with my limited skills in order to help for the release...
nkoth3: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: when are you going out?
MartinCleaver: 2pm - going to the Beaches
xavi: Beaches... :-)
<br> were are you right now?
nkoth3: ok.
MartinCleaver: at home - center of Toronto
nkoth3: <u>xavi</u>: maybe you can test lastest 3.0 svn for now
MartinCleaver: its a lake beach really
nkoth3: we still have one more profile page to create anyway this afternoon
xavi: ah, lake beach , ok
<br> <u>nkoth3</u>: ok, I'll do that
<br> url available? (any newer than rc2?)
nkoth3: svn
xavi: ok, svn
<br> <u>nkoth3</u>: btw, using ie6 (under linux, ies4linux), I can login to a site with strasa. fyi
<br> using the horizontal login bar in tw.o, for instance
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xavi: mmm, I've just tried installing tiki3svn using small web presence profile (I think), and I can't see the blog as anonymous...
<br> Moreover, when logged in as admin, I see no login box around anywhere, and the link at the footer still says "login", and not "logout" (what I would expect)....
<br> it seems to me, marclaporte , that the login box is missing at that profile....
<br> is that normal?
<br> profiles.tw.o (using strasa) shows content in right column too narrow (buttons on the right are not shown in my screen). FYI
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xavi: nkoth3 (gone?): tiki3 from svn works fine to me so far: installed one tiki in amultitiki environment, through tiki-install.php. Used small web presence. I added the login/logout ability to the bottom custom code (at the profile)....
<br> I'm just testing now (through installing again) that the change works fine....
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xavi: wb nkoth3
<br> nkoth3 and marclaporte : I installed bare-bones, and went to install something else through the profile manager (tiki-admin.php?profile)
<br> If I click in the "list" button, I get a long list of profiles, and many of them say " Not functional yet"
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xavi: from the point of view of the newbie/end users, should it be somehow that the list "by default" (just by clicking on "list") lists only the functional ones???
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xavi: maybe, just the ones from the category "Full Profile (out of the box & ready to go)"?
<br> ^ marclaporte ?
<br> luciash or chibaguy: for months I felt that feb12.css shouldn't have a white bg on the error messages (afair), or the confirm boxes (when trying to dele something, at the confirmation step). Nowadays I see that this confirmation step is inside a box with div.cbox "background-color: #ffffff". I wonder where else this div.cbox is used, but I would suggest to remove the white bg from it, so that, when it's shown on a short message and thus, short page, the grey
<br> I would do that myself, but I'm not sure where else this div.cbox is used in feb12.css, so I just report it here, for your consideration if you read this later
<br> my 2 cents
<br> to reproduce (if needed): install bare-bones profile, then install small web presence profile on top, and attempt to rollback homepage from version 1 to version 0
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marclaporte: <u>xavi</u>: I love seeing you report bugs like this
xavi: ?
marclaporte: oups, I mean, using profiles
xavi: ah :-)
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: I still think that bare-bones doesn't suggest clearly to newbies: "hey, you can keep installing/fine tunning your tiki using profiles"
marclaporte: <u>xavi</u>: : did you try in English?
xavi: at least, for the admin, once logged in, and a link to admin profiles
marclaporte: latest branches/3.0 in English has that
xavi: no, did it change?
<br> arrgh, I missed that
<br> and my translation to catalan was before then...
<br> I'll check
<br> another thing, marclaporte, I don¡t see how to avoid the border in blog posts using strasa (personal blog profile)
<br> most people used to wordpress, etc., donde have posts surrounded by boxes (i.e.: showin border of their posts...)
<br> but I don't seem to find where is that property for the left and right margin of blog posts in strasa.css
<br> f*ck!
<br> "Tiki is not properly set up:" after installing bare-bones on multitiki
<br> arrrgh, I know what happened....
<br> no worries, not important for this pre-tiki3 release stage
<br> hey, marclaporte, congratulations for this new homepage content in bare-bones!
<br> I hope I have enough time in the following hour or so to translate that into spanish and catalan (I guess you already had that done in French)
marclaporte: <u>xavi</u>: : it's Pascal St-Jean!!
xavi: ok, congrats. to Pascal St-Jean then!
<br> marclaporte, do you think that it's possible to add a menupage module with a simple wiki-based module for one of hte default profiles? (like at the collaborative one)?
<br> like the menu we have at wiki-translation, I mean: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Module+menupage
<br> that would showcase a simple wiki-based menu, which might suit many communities when they start (at least) learning tiki..., without getting lost in the main application menu
<br> Since I heard that you complained that it was not easy (or possible) to add modules from profiles... I ws just wondering)
marclaporte: <u>xavi</u>: : the problem is for profiles that don't need this
xavi: I mean for collaborative community
marclaporte: <u>xavi</u>: : yes, sure. Go right ahead!!
xavi: In all the collaborative communities where I work/help, we have ended up using this type of menu
marclaporte: +10 !
xavi: any example of profile from where to get that type of module assignation from profiles?
marclaporte: all 4 featured profiles have
xavi: all of them have modules assigned?
marclaporte: yes
xavi: ok, I'll check (after translating homepage)
marclaporte: because barebones has none
xavi: ok, ok, thanks
marclaporte: el poder del profiles!!!!
xavi: last for now, marclaporte, are you ...
<br> :-) your spanish skills (or mibbit translation skills! LOL )
marclaporte: my Spanish!!!
xavi: :-)
<br> from before... are you keen on the look and feel of strasa for blogs?
marclaporte: I got to practice a bit these last few days. We had a UN thing
xavi: (did you see my previouspost about it, here on irc)?
marclaporte: URL?
xavi: url? no, I installed blog profile, and there I mean
<br> posts are inside boxes... surrounded by borders... like in a box
marclaporte: you would prefer other theme?
xavi: but I didn't manage how to get rid of the lateral vertical lines and the bottom line
<br> no, no, strasa is fine, for me.
-: marclaporte thinks we should try to use various themes more for each profile
xavi: I mean, that I guess that new users would expect the blog to look like most blogs from wordpress, etc.... i.e., at lteast, that each post doesn't look like in a box with a border...
marclaporte: I will try now
xavi: ok, back to translating
<br> myself, I meabn
<br> mean
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luciash: reading messages log
xavi: hi bike-luciash
luciash: hey xavi !
<br> ok, have finished reading
xavi: :-)
<br> bike trip in country side or city?
luciash: well, first i thing it was a bit unfortunate to change the installer look to strasa at this late pre-release state causing these little problems for IE and of course logo with white background worked well in thenews
<br> countryside and back through the city, it was nice round-trip :)
xavi: :-)
luciash: then this gif for IE6 i don't know, maybe switching feature_iepngfix could work better
xavi: I like also biking nice round-trips... :-)
luciash: well, enough ranting
CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18863 10/branches/3.0/lang/ca/language.php: [FIX]HOMEPAGE_CONTENT updated to meet latest english homepage (much better nowadays, imho). Thanks Pascal St-Jean for that
luciash: have anybody figured out what to do with the strasa login problem ?
xavi: nope, afaik
luciash: ok, lets have a look what can we do....
xavi: ok, btw, luciash, did yuo se the new homepage content in english, oince admin has logged in?
<br> s/you se/you seen
luciash: i'm not sure, maybe just the svn diff
xavi: I mean, you might want to update your language.php so that your new admins (newbies) see much better info at their first login in bare-bones install
luciash: well, i haven't got time to translate it to czech yet before either
<br> and i think czech user-base is close to zero unfortunatelly nowadays
xavi: ah, ok... (yep, too many things...)
luciash: but i'll try to translate more between 3.0 and 3.1
xavi: oups, sorry to hear that...
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nkoth3: <u>luciash</u>: i think jonnyb fixed a ie6 strasa login field thing, but ie7 is still hidden behind white..
luciash: <u>nkoth3</u>: ok
<br> <u>xavi</u>: weird, just installed bare-bones, deleted templates_c/ and still i see the old HomePage content: http://test.ground.cz/tiki/3.0/tiki-index.php
xavi: luciash, did you logout as admin from the previous tiki site?
<br> before installing a new site thre?
luciash: ah, it chnages after logging in as admin iirc
<br> yes, now i see it, all right
xavi: under this circumstances, I have the same behavior
<br> ok
-: luciash hates the usability of Admin > Groups > Advanced feature
luciash: ok, basic level for anonymous set
<br> changing theme to strasa
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ScaryFast: hmm
<br> starting today or yesterday, I cannot use the quicktag buttons in the default editor.
marclaporte: <u>ScaryFast</u>: : version?
xavi: <u>marclaporte</u>: how to I write "parameters: pagemenu=foo" for a module in a profile ?
ScaryFast: they appear to click, but the code doesn't appear below. if I go to full-screen they work, and back to regular screen they keep working until I edit another version
<br> 2.2
<br> I guess I should be updating :P
xavi: <u>marclaporte</u>: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Collaborative_Community_Wiki_Menu
marclaporte: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Module+Handler&highlight=module -> params
luciash: ok, marclaporte, does it matter if IE7 siteloginbar looks simmilar to IE6 ? i have quickfix for that
<br> the problem now is there's set max-width: 650px in strasa for IE7, that's why it goes to second line and "invisible"
marclaporte: will check IE7 now
Yoni_: btw i still have a problem on a new tw30 (just updated) login box title. this login box show a wrong title when i look at wiki page that include plugins. Instead show "Login" for the login title box it show the plugin title. if i remove the "{if !isset($tpl_module_title)} and the {/if}" from mod-login_box.tpl it work fine
<br> http://israelfr.com/new.html/tiki-index.php
marclaporte: advanc
<br> oups
xavi: <u>marclaporte</u>: thanks
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xavi: <u>marclaporte</u>: ok for collaborative community profile to let anons to post comments (with anti-bot captcha)?
luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: if you comment it out it should at least be accessible like in IE6
xavi: or pascalstjean? ^
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luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: is it good enough ?
marclaporte: luciash : Admin > Groups > Advanced feature -> do we still need this?
luciash: sure !
marclaporte: I never liked this feature. I much prefer to include groups
luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: i use it every time, but the usability sucks
marclaporte: why don't you include groups in groups?
<br> also, now, with profiles, we can deploy perms with excellent precision
luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: i use it to install bare-bones, then go there and set all basic perms to Anonymous group, to have quickly base perms needed to view pages, articles, blogs, search, etc.
marclaporte: <u>luciash</u>: : you could do that with a profile
luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: because barebones has no perms
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: this is easy to have basic perms
marclaporte: just make a profile "basic perms"
luciash: on barebones (which is only option form me behind firewall)
marclaporte: ahh
luciash: because cant connect to profiles server
marclaporte: here is a possibility: turn your tiki into a profile server. and run profiles on yourself. Just need to copy-paste wiki pages from pr.tw.o to your tiki
luciash: yes, but for newbie wouldn't it be easier two clicks to set basic level perms on bare-bones ?
<br> ;)
marclaporte: my basic perms are different than yours
<br> it depends on the use case
<br> no way one-size fits all
luciash: moreover you can specify your own levels and then quickly assign to special groups... i pretty like that feature and would miss it
marclaporte: ok, if you use it I am happy!
<br> that means UI will get better one day :-)
luciash: i have to go unfortunatelly cannot spent more time on the strasa login thing for IE7 than what i proposed
<br> yup yup, on trunk it's on my todo list soon
<br> bye bye :)
marclaporte: I am having trouble getting my IE7 laptop online
xavi: <u>marclaporte</u>: I can't get to assign the menu page properly. Could you please have a look here: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Collaborative_Community_Wiki_Menu
<br> I installed the profile fine, all settings went in place, etc., the new wiki page created (with the menu content), but the module was not shown
<br> it says, in my localhost where I installed it: parameteres: 0 (where it should say: oparameters: menupage=Menu)
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xavi: well, getting late here.
<br> Marc, if you like it and know how to fix: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Collaborative_Community_menupage
nkoth3: hi MartinCleaver
MartinCleaver: Hi nkoth3
xavi: bed time here. cheers
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MartinCleaver: cya xavi
nkoth3: once we fix this ie7 login box on strasa, I think we can start packaging the pre packages...
ScaryFast: I upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 but the quick tag edit buttons still don't work. 2.4 is next.
MartinCleaver: strasa is a theme?
nkoth3: yes
MartinCleaver: ok
<br> so shall I wait? or look at it?
<br> it = the theme
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nkoth3: i think we already have a proposed fix
<br> but wondering how it looks
<br> scroll back to 5.20 pm
MartinCleaver: aha. ok. Isn't there a site that shows you how a site looks on various browsers?
nkoth3: yes.... but i don't know it offhand
MartinCleaver: http://browsershots.org/
<br> covers pretty much everything out there
nkoth3: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: can you reproduce the login box disappearing under the white area problem, and try out the proposed fix?
MartinCleaver: Are we making pre-rc2.1 now?
nkoth3: 3.0 you mean?
MartinCleaver: ok - I'll svn up vps7
<br> 3.0 rc2.1?
nkoth3: no
<br> 3.0 (final)
MartinCleaver: ok, like 3.0 pre-final?
nkoth3: we don't have decimals in RCs
MartinCleaver: ah
nkoth3: well, I think it is called pre3.0
<br> that's what you should pass to the script
MartinCleaver: how many pre-3.0's can you have?
<br> what if you find a problem with it and don't make it final?
nkoth3: the pre parameter basically does the packaging without the tagging
<br> so we can have as many we want - they are like unofficial testing 3.0 packages
MartinCleaver: y, I'd recommend pre1 or pre2, but not pre-final
nkoth3: ?
marclaporte: never call things final
MartinCleaver: unless you call it 3.0 final-pre1
<br> exactly
nkoth3: no, I am not calling it final
marclaporte: or new
MartinCleaver: heh :)
marclaporte: newer
nkoth3: the version is 3.0
marclaporte: newest
<br> newest2
<br> final2
MartinCleaver: and what pre is this?
marclaporte: final-for-real-this-time
<br> :-)
MartinCleaver: LOL
nkoth3: in all seriousness, the script takes a pre param before the 3.0 to package without tagging
MartinCleaver: final-really-I-know-we-said-final-but-really-really-this-time
nkoth3: lol
MartinCleaver: y, so final 3.0 pre and then final 3.0 post-pre
marclaporte: hahahhahhahhahha
ScaryFast: so, I've tried this on 2 computers (vista/windows7), 2 browsers (Firefox3/IE7), and upgraded to v2.4 and I still can't click any of the editor buttons for quicktags unless I first go to full-screen editor mode and back to regular editor mode.
<br> anyone have any thoughts?
marclaporte: javascript activated?
ScaryFast: they were working fine yesterday
<br> as far as I know. two different computers anyway.
nkoth3: you're scaring me ScaryFast ...
marclaporte: run sec-db to see if some files corrupted. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Security+Admin#Check_your_files
<br> in 3.0, there is a debug mode: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled
<br> ScaryFast : : some steps there could help, like clearing your cache tiki-admin_system.php
nkoth3: <u>ScaryFast</u>: is it only on one specifc page you have the problem, or all pages?
ScaryFast: all wiki pages
<br> the buttons appear, clicking them does nothing but take focus away from the text area.
<br> if I switch to full-screen they work fine, and then back to regular they work fine
<br> but that first time I click edit, they don't work
franck: <u>marclaporte</u>: http://twitter.com/#search?q=tikiwiki
-: MartinCleaver has ie5 on this vm
MartinCleaver: do you want that tested too? :P
marclaporte: hahahaha
MartinCleaver: doesm
<br> 't look too good on ie5
<br> pff. I'd need xp not w2k for ie7
-: MartinCleaver pokes around for an xp virtual machine
MartinCleaver: ok - I found another way to get ie7
<br> the getting started numbers overlap the text - pretty ugly
ScaryFast: I just did the sec_db stuff to 2.4
<br> sec-db even
MartinCleaver: I need to switch theme to strasa?
<br> to see the ie7 bug?
<br> where do I switch theme?
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marclaporte: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: : there is a profile "Test all themes"
<br> it will give you theme toggler on top-right
MartinCleaver: I see 4 profiles - personal blog / company intranet / small org - is the test all themes profile on the Home Page too?
marclaporte: change to list all profiles
<br> no, it's not on home page
<br> <u>franck</u>: : any special message I should look at?
MartinCleaver: ah, in admin. found it. duh.
<br> got it. thankz
franck: <u>marclaporte</u>: nope, but it is interesting to monitor
<br> I use tweetdeck
marclaporte: super
MartinCleaver: ok - so I'm using Strasa (the default) and logged in just fine on ie7 (win2003 server)
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MartinCleaver: what else are we waiting for?
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MartinCleaver: hi jonnyb
jonnyb: hi MartinCleaver - all well?
marclaporte: <u>IE7</u>: blog profile: strasa: white bar is chopped (on left)
MartinCleaver: ah - thx - now I understand
<br> problem still there
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MartinCleaver: why do you need a white bar at all?
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MartinCleaver: why no just shortened the height of the grey ?
ScaryFast: ugh, this is driving me nuts. I wish the wysiwyg editor didn't break some stuff so I could just switch
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MartinCleaver: there's no separate ie7.css file? only an ie6 one?
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nkoth3: i did a grep for ie7.css, and I think you can put ie7 hacks in an ie7.css just like ie6.css
<br> just based on my grep
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MartinCleaver: on twiki I used to use the http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/InternetExplorerDeveloperToolbar for debugging css
<br> I'd need an ie7 machine onto which I can install stuff to poke around with it though
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MartinCleaver: anyone got a ie7 machine I can remote control for a bit?
CIA-65: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18868 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/mod-last_blog_posts.tpl:
<br> tikiwiki: [MOD] Changing from time and date to date only for last blog posts module. 1-
<br> tikiwiki: This makes the module have way too much clutter. 2- time is available on
<br> tikiwiki: mouse-over, so it's duplicate info. 3- People typically post less than once per
<br> tikiwiki: day so it's not relevant, and even if it was posts, are in chronological order
<br> tikiwiki: anyway. Blog profile is now good with this.
MartinCleaver: nkoth3 says it happens on ie8 too - checking now
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jonnyb: polom
marclaporte: polom
jonnyb: is there something to test?
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jonnyb: :O
-: marclaporte got in trouble with CSS police and now, this
nkoth3: <u>jonnyb</u>: MartinCleaver is going at that IE7 + IE8 (half of the problem of IE7 apparently) for strasa
<br> luci's suggestion to remove max-width seemed not to help
<br> do you have any suggestion?
-: marclaporte is looking forward to guidelines and a release managed being reponsible for determing things according to guidelines
jonnyb: i'll get ie7 running...
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MartinCleaver: on this ie8 machine the tiki logo is above the blue background.
<br> so its quite horrid
nkoth3: i think it may be just the remote desktop acting up
<br> it is a transparent png
<br> Anyone has a "real" machine with ie8?
MartinCleaver: http://skitch.com/martincleaver/bxsyh/nelson-s-ie8-machine
-: jonnyb finds it quite amusing that no Windoze users are ever around
<br> marclaporte is present
MartinCleaver: http://skitch.com/martincleaver/bxsy7/martins-ie7-machine
<br> if it was remote desktop I'd expect firefox on the same machine to have a similar problem (it doesn't)
jonnyb: i could make an ie8 image - it'll take a while
MartinCleaver: y, likewise I could go and make out a winxp vm for my mac
<br> w2k works so much more nicely than anything since
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Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Can see but not click Quicktag buttons in editor. - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=33027
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nkoth3: <u>ricks99</u>: ah windows user arrives
<br> do you have ie8 by the way?
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ricks99: gee not even a second to read the irc history log....
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jonnyb_: hi ricks99
ricks99: hi nkoth3 & jonnyb
MartinCleaver: the height: auto on [id]#header-top has a different effect on FF3 to on IE8
<br> on FF3 it extends it to the correct height, on IE8 it brings it too low
<br> can't tell on ie7 without a debugger
<br> incidentally, ie8 is bundled with the debugger (and probably a toothbrush that does double duty as a toilet brush)
jonnyb_: wow! ie8 is quite basket-case (http://skitch.com/martincleaver/bxsyh/nelson-s-ie8-machine)
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ScaryFast: nice, my forum posts showed up in here.
ricks99: brb
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MartinCleaver: ok, so disable height: auto on [id]#header-top and change min-height:97px to min-height:108px looks like it might work for ie8
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jonnyb_: i'm getting something a bit different to http://skitch.com/martincleaver/bxsy7/martins-ie7-machine - i can see user & pw inputs - is there a common test page?
nkoth3: <u>MartinCleaver</u>: try increasing the font size
MartinCleaver: if I make a ie8.css in strasa/ would it take
<br> Can you post screenshots please jonnyb_
nkoth3: i don't think so
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ricks99: k. what do ya'll want me to look at (win vista + ie 8)?
marclaporte: <u>ricks99</u>: apply one of the 4 basic profiles. Then apply "Test all themes"
MartinCleaver: http://skitch.com/martincleaver/bxsb5/nelson-s-ie8-machine-with-mrjc-s-fix
marclaporte: and toggle between themes to see major problems with IE8
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MartinCleaver: Page > Text Size > Larger, nkoth3 ?
<br> doesn't make a difference