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chibaguy has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) webchatguy: I (gary) replaced the mibbet link on the tw.o/TikiFestGOSC2009 page with the freenode webchat in an iframe, since freenode doesn't accept mibbit connections now.
Seems to work ok, but users need to input their username.
(I don't know how to use {$user} in the iframe src.) ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki
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xavi has joined #tikiwiki xavi: toctoc , from the http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009 page chibaguy: hi xavi xavi: hi gary-webchatguy
nice that this webchat thingy made some noise when you wrote my name on this irc channel chibaguy: oh really? I didn't know it did that. xavi: mmm, which software are you using right now, chibaguy ? chibaguy: Miranda xavi: did it ping'd with audio when I wrote your name, chibaguy ?
pidgin doesn't do it for me when using irc
only when using private chanels (jabber, for sure, and irc also, I guess) chibaguy: Sorry, had speaker off. xavi: ah, :-)
tell me when you have it on chibaguy: it's on now. xavi: ok, chibaguy :-)
could you hear any noise? chibaguy: hmm, no sound. ;-) xavi: mmmm, can you write my nickname again, please?
might I have been dreaming? chibaguy: xavi ***: hi has joined #tikiwiki xavi: yes, confirmed, it made a subtle noise, but it did worked!
hi hi ***: hi is now known as Guest64892 xavi: hi Guest64892 Guest64892: morning all this is matwho setarting up the streaming for TikiFest happy watching - is sound ok? xavi: ouhoooo!, Mattbic on the kitchen! chibaguy: ah, I just enabled sounds in Miranda options. xavi: hey, Matt! pkdille: nice kitchen :-)
hello all ! xavi: who's speaking?
is it jonny hidden somewhere??? :-) Guest64892: thanks, nice coffee
I have the radio on, so I am rebroadcasting BBC Radio 4 xavi: :-) ***: changi67 has joined #tikiwiki xavi: so ... are there any more tiki-guys in your house, Matt - Guest64892 ? Guest64892: yes. More wil be arriving over the next hour xavi: chibaguy ? do you hear the sound nowadays? Guest64892: hi chibaguy xavi: ok, ok, time for jetlack, etc. chibaguy: hi Matt
xavi, I think I heard a sound, but it's small. ***: tikifestUK has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: A little quieter than Matt's radio. ;-) xavi: yes, chibaguy , very small, but better than nothing (as before), at least ***: pkdille has quit IRC ("Page closed") Guest64892: what is small? The video or the sound? xavi: we lost the translation capabilities from mibbit, but we won a slight weak nooise when our nicknames are written (just to find out some improvement with the move :-) ) chibaguy: Sorry, Matt, xavi was asking about my IRC client, Miranda.
the video and audio streaming are both good. xavi: Guest64892: no trouble with the re-broadcasting, just talking about the subtle ping noise through this web interface for irc from freenode Guest64892: oh ok, I am trying out the Adobe Flash Media Encoder so the quality should be better than last time ***: axold has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: The video is very good this time. ***: axold has quit IRC (Client Quit) chibaguy: Are those glass speakers, or do you have aliens from space on your desk?
ah, or chairs behind the table...? Guest64892: no they are plastic chairs xavi: strange coffee, Matt is getting mad! ;-) ***: Guest64892 has left chibaguy: :-) xavi: or should we say Madd is getting crazy? :-D chibaguy: ah, someone else is coming....
Hey, it's amette, nelson, and olaf-michael. xavi: wohooo, amette and nkoth! and olaf! chibaguy: Hi guys! ***: jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb: hi all - i should have left by now, but just to let you know the streaming's working fine!!
ok, more from the train... :) ***: jonnyb has left xavi: oups, iframe doesn't like being in a column from the split plugin :-(
sorry that due to this the chat is not shown right now....
fixing
well, avoiding the issue, I mean (I don't know how to fix properly)
Matt, beware that everybody is listening the passwords! :-) chibaguy: not too much danger of logging into his wifi from here, I think... ;-) xavi: yes, I agree... :-) chibaguy: but his neighbors may be watching ;-) xavi: it's up to him ...
hello Pauline! :-) ***: nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: hi Pauline! xavi: I'm afraid that some of the computers in the room visiting the gsoc page (with the audio stream) have the speakers too loud... and this might be reason of the weird echo effect...
I?d suggest all of you to turn your speakers (from your computers) down, so that there is no echo Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Can someone explain me "The files can be locked at download" - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=33803 chibaguy: ouch
:-) xavi: :-)
a pity that they are only for MAc ;-)
if I heard that properly among the echos...
hello Pauline again :-) amette: alright...
... so, now I'm here in the chat, too..
xavi: no, it's USB and can be used with anything, it seems! :) xavi: hi amette :-)
good! -: amette waves xavi: I want one like this!
:-) amette: Yeah, I like it, too! :) xavi: off the record: price of such a nice usb mic??? amette: It's just like these famous AT&T conference phones you know from the movies.. .;)
xavi: I'll try to find out - I'm interested, too... ;)
(I fear it's not cheap) xavi: :-)
ah, ok, then... amette: xavi: not bad, 40 Pounds or something like that - pretty good deal! :O xavi: oh, that's affordable even for my economy :-)
side by side video and chat fixed
using a wiki simple table! (while split plugin was breaking the iframe for the chat)
amazing simple wiki table did the trick... amette: great : ***: chibaguy6067 has joined #tikiwiki xavi: fyi, short url for the live stream (audio, video and chat) in a go is: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009#Live
without scrolling up and down on smaller screenresolutions, afaik
and if you select to hide the right column, then you can use the full with of the screen for the live stream ***: omstefanov has joined #tikiwiki Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: User Mail - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=33804 xavi: Hey, Rodrigo! Bemvindo! ***: omstefanov_ has joined #tikiwiki omstefanov_: hi Xavi and chibaguy ! xavi: hi omstefanov_ -: xavi reloading the computer and page (back in a few mins) ***: xavi has quit IRC ("Page closed")
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xavi has joined #tikiwiki xavi: :-) ***: jonnyb_i has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy6067: Is the video "paused" for other people? ***: jonnyb_i_ has joined #tikiwiki jonnyb_i_: Waterloo... chibaguy6067: ok, now streaming here.... ***: chibaguy has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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(iphone's fault) chibaguy1: Heh, three of me also (Miranda client kept losing connection.) jonnyb_i__: Crowded ay!
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jonnyb_i__ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) matbic: is sound OK xavi: yes, brillinat MAtt, thanks matbic: I think the Adobe Media Encoder is very much better
You can skype me if you want to join in ID on wiki page ***: chibaguy6067 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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:-) ***: omstefanov has quit IRC ("Page closed")
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jonnyb_i has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: Maybe a network problem on my end, but the stream is kind of choppy (video and audio pausing) for me now. xavi: same for me jonnyb_i: Polom Xavi! :) xavi: hi jonnyb_i :-) chibaguy: How do we turn on the subtitles? ;-) xavi: :-) amette: LOL :P chibaguy: (or I should ask how do we switch the subtitles from ads to conversation...) ***: MartinB has quit IRC ("Page closed") amette: *g* xavi: is the mic in the middle of the table? amette: yeah..
sound is not good?
there are laptop monitors more or less in front of it.... chibaguy: The problem for me is that the stream goes on and off. Video pauses and sound stops completely.
When the sound is coming, it's pretty good. xavi: ok, no worries, most of it can be heard clear enough
mmm, I?m afraid I'm not having cuts for a long while now...
just that sometime the sound is a bit low, but ok, keep going. I guess that we have the best hardware and software for voice/mic, I mean
the voice from the people at the half of the table close to the kitchen is lower than the rest, fyi
except when you laugh, of course :-) amette: hehehe, ok :P
( sorry :) ) chibaguy: rrr. I'm only getting about 40% of the audio stream. xavi: chibaguy, because of volume of speakers, or because of cuts? chibaguy: network problem, I guess.
either good sound or no sound at all. xavi: yes, I didn't have any cut from here in the last 5 min at least amette: sylvieg: we really need to fix http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2549 - please give me some pointers to what the issue is! :) -: chibaguy wonders what people need to do on wiki pages that requires wysiwyg instead of clicking quicktag icons, etc. xavi: chibaguy: tables chibaguy: ok, I agree with that one, xavi. :-) idle-: chibaguy: users. chibaguy: but what are typical things users want to do, that need wysiwyg? idle-: chibaguy: users want word. nothing else. they always want to do things like they are used to. chibaguy: mm, ok. xavi: and even for those users who like using wiki syntax, things like this type of big tables are a nioghtmare with wiki syntax. Example : http://moviments.net/plana.Webs chibaguy: Sure, I've used dreamweaver to do complex tables for Tiki, then copy and replace with wiki syntax. xavi: however, table editor might get improved when the jquery spreadsheet ui is integrated in Tiki...
which might be in the roadmap of jonnyb_i :-)
then, just call to a SHEET with the wiki plugin, and start editing the table through the jquery spreadsheet interface :-)
moreover, chibaguy : adding bullets to a list of items in a wiki page through quicktags doesn't work for me....
I mean, adding the asteriscs in a single go to a bunch of items in a wiki page... chibaguy: hm, I've just done short lists, and it worked ok. xavi: amette, for curiosity, can you read from where you are sitting the text on the screen from the beamer? chibaguy: But if there are implementation problems with wiki syntax, they should be fixed. Shouldn't be an argument to turn to wysiwyg. amette: xavi : yeah, that works nicely chibaguy: (even though that is a solution, in practice.) xavi: chibaguy: ok for bullets. but wiki tables are not in any roadmap afaik (except through the jquery spreadsheet ui trick, afaik). Or else, using wysiwyg
amette, thanks for the info. I was wondering if jonnyb_i could see on the table that ping to him for tables
but anyway, I don't want to distrub the discussion in there...
chibaguy : the sentence by idle- "users just want to use something like Word", may also mean that copy & paste from other sources to the wiki page keeps the format
if this was solved by wiki syntax in real time (as it happens with wysiwyg), then +1 to use wiki syntax for that instead of wysiwyg, I would say chibaguy: That would be useful for Word users. I wonder if other wikis can import Word pages smoothly. xavi: I doubt so. But that's why users just want something like Word, I would say chibaguy: Apparently some can, judging from google results (wiki import Word). xavi: and the wysiwyg solves that issue. Copy & paste just works chibaguy: But I don't know about completeness/quality, etc. xavi: nelson, come closer to the mic (we can't hear you)
now I'm having some cuts myself
but it might be me (I was openning other applications in my computer) chibaguy: looking further at the google results, it seems to be a problem in general to import Word articles into wikis, from what I've read so far. xavi: ok ***: jonnyb_i has quit IRC ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info") nkoth3: hi, admins around? sylvieg: hello xavi: hi nkoth3
hi sylvieg ***: Reno_ has joined #tikiwiki xavi: matbic: are you recording the streaming? idle-: chibaguy: and it is not only for simple users. For example, if users want to document something in a wiki, they don't want to learn a wiki syntax. They wan't to work as usual, copying images, tables, other documents
chibaguy: that are all things which have to work fast ***: Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie
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MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: idle-, I'm not sure how much learning is needed to click Tiki's quicktags, but I agree that for some people, it's necessary to replicate their Word as closely as possible. amette: all: us or the screen? :)
you gotta choose, beauty or functionality! ;)
Nagendra is having his talk about the video stuff.. xavi: screen amette: alright sylvieg: coll the screen.. xavi: thanks :-) amette: you're welcome :)
hi sylvieg :) sylvieg: hi xavi: take the mic closer to nagendra, please ***: chibaguy is now known as chibaguy_away
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matbic has quit IRC () marclaporte: hi everone ! xavi: nkoth3 , sylvieg, marclaporte ... weren't we having a meeting somewhere now?
for admins I mean... nkoth3: yes, but
see my email xavi: ok, I havent read it yet (opening thunderbird again...)
ah, ok, (read it) ***: floh1111 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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Reno_ has left marclaporte: I can recognize amette's laugh :-) http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009#Live CIA-47: tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r19926 10/trunk/lib/core/test/AcceptanceTests/MultilingualTest.php: ***: pkdille_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
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ricks99_ has joined #tikiwiki matbic: sylvieg: Hi, hope all is well, we are discussing the tracker stopping problem on dev.tw. Do you have an idea what is causing it amette thinks you do. :) sylvieg: soory miss the beginning
the problem is the left join on the query matbic: why? sylvieg: we need to collect all the fields at the beginning - to do a simple query - and then take away the unecessary fields
the problem is the left join done on the sort fields
the sort fields must be added to the list og fields
the same for the filter fields matbic: this is good, do you think this is the only problem or just the tip of the ice berg sylvieg: one simple queries with all the necessary fields and then keep only the wanted fields
I am looking only at this query...
nyloth rewrote the query .... to have it working with sorted fields not in the asked fields ... but since it is a very slow query
to answer matbic - it is the only problem I thjink for simple fields matbic: ok, is it difficult to fix? sylvieg: after we have a problem with fields like itemlinks... that use fields from antoher tracker - but I do not think it is the case on dev.tw amette: and this query is executed approximately every time you access a tracker... so improving it should also help doc.tw.o's /Features page which all the time flaps back-and-forth in accessibility sylvieg: (it is some time to do - otherwise will be already done ;-) -: amette believes that :) sylvieg: I wil try to have a try next week amette: that would be awesome, thanks sylvieg :) ***: eromneg has joined #tikiwiki xavi: away for a couple of hours ***: pkdille_ has joined #tikiwiki amette: xavi: for when you come back...
... good news: here's the product http://www.expansys.de/d.aspx?i=163997
... bad news: I found prices around 180 Euros or so! :-/
errr. here's the product: http://www.ipevo.com/products/pro_detail.php?id=10
the first link was the price ;) ***: ricks99_ has quit IRC ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")
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pkdille has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) amette: That's fun - Web2.0 logos in Helvetica: http://ow.ly/grMR :P ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away
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amette, thanks for the link. Now I know :-) (price and specs.) amette: yw, xavi :) ***: eromneg has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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I mean if there is something that is possible to do with the plugin that is not possible to do with the wiki syntax ***: Sug4r has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.)
Sug4r` has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: Tikifesters: about WYSIWYG profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/WYSIWYG_COE
http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/WYSIWYG_Wiki
matthew: admin on profiles is LP
matbic : ^^
matbic: you still discussing WYIWYG?
excellent! matbic: yes - just broken the profile ;) marclaporte: oh
me matbic: and can't rollback or see what's wrong ***: floh1111 has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: da power is coming
matbic: you will feel da power at your next login xavi: mmm, marclaporte , I added Matwho to ProfilesTWEditors group. Wasx that the power needed by Matwho? marclaporte: just add users on http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-assignuser.php xavi: ok
so , now, matbix, you wouldn't need to relogin
cause I also added you for this session to profiles.tw.o
(by mistake :-) ) matbic: ok marclaporte: matbic: any time you need people to have more rights, just them to the *TwoAdmins or *TwoEditors on main tikiwiki.org site matbic: ok great xavi: in this case, to ProflesTwoEditors
on tw.o marclaporte: and at the next login, via Intertiki group membership will be sent and relevant perms will happen
it'a bit like workspaces :-) ***: caralluna has quit IRC ("TikiWiki FTW! ;-)")
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FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki jcyrisse: so if i wanted to use AddThis to place a share this type of button on my pages, where in heck do i put the code? ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki
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CIA-47 has quit IRC () xavi: jcyrisse, ricks99 will know. as in the tw.o forums
good luck
and cheers ***: xavi has quit IRC ("Page closed") jcyrisse: well i found an old reference finally
thank you ***: CIA-49 has joined #TikiWiki
franck_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) jcyrisse: is there a way to paste script code in a wiki page and not have it look mixed up? it seems when i preview it messes the code up ***: franck has joined #tikiwiki Caarrie|away: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginCode&bl=y jcyrisse: well, guess that isnt exactly what i mean
i think
i am not wanting to show code, for demonstration, for example
i am trying to add a piece of code, say for AddThis that will add a social bookmark tool
or for example a google mailing list subscription box
or...perhaps i shouldnt have html flag selected? ***: franck has quit IRC ()
franck has joined #tikiwiki jcyrisse: ok...the allow HTML box cannot be checked.
hmmm...well...maybe not...views properly in preview but on save, does not ***: MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki
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