[00:20] Interesting. If I append stuff after an article then I get the article but not the site styling. http://tikiwiki.org/article175/dfdf [00:46] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie [01:26] New Forum Posts: Scores - Exclusion of Users/Groups - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=34042 [01:33] *** jomas_98 has joined #tikiwiki [01:34] hi [01:35] anybody in here? [01:36] *** jomas_98 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [01:56] New Forum Posts: Combination of Side & Top Menus - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=34043 [01:56] marc? [02:02] *** chino401 has joined #tikiwiki [02:06] Moving tiki3.1 from serverA to serverB. webserver configs are identical, exported database using mysqldump and reimported via mysql. Any logins on serverB produce the error "Built query was probably:update `users_users` set `lastLogin`='1239305017', `currentLogin`='1248314146', `unsuccessful_logins`='0' where `login`='admin' [02:08] *** Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki [02:16] *** franck has quit IRC () [02:40] *** Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [02:56] *** chino401 has left [03:28] *** wikiman has joined #tikiwiki [04:01] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [04:08] New Forum Posts: a few questions - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=34045 [04:29] *** wikiman_ has joined #tikiwiki [04:34] Oh, cute. It's some sort of slow attack which uses loong URLs which resemble reals ones. OK, poof it goes. [04:38] You might want to check your server logs for URLs with more than 12 or so slashes in them. I don't know what they're trying. [04:38] *** wikiman has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [05:02] The sequence of odd urls seems to start with article.*/lib [05:09] *** wikiman_ has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [06:16] *** Lucymoz has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [06:24] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [07:24] *** Kissaki has joined #tikiwiki [07:24] hi [07:31] about that wiki page about dropping multi-db support. Is that still the case? Or did you manage to/decide not to drop them? [07:36] Kissaki, I've seen some code commits lately for postgresql, so I guess there's still hope there. ;-) [07:36] is that deadline up-to-date? [07:37] 9 days? [07:37] implemented - or drop [07:37] I'm not sure how definite that deadline is, if there's progress happening. [07:38] is 3.1 the recent stable version, right? Does that one work with the other dbs than mysql? [07:38] yes and no [07:40] ok, thank you :) [07:40] sure. [07:44] I was shocked (well, a little) by the tikiwiki wiki syntax. Ever thought about adobting the creole syntax? [07:44] http://www.wikicreole.org/ [07:47] There have been discussions about that. You can check out http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/TikiWikiCMSGroupware [07:52] huh, you're hosting/doing that discussion on wikicreole? :P [07:52] would've expected that on your wiki [07:55] There've been discussions on tikiwiki.org, too. I think the wikicreole.org page was to reply in that context, for those people. [07:59] Most people coming to Tikiwiki from other wikis seem to be familiar with mediawiki syntax, not creole. And even more people don't want _any_ wiki syntax; they want wysiwyg editing. [08:02] really? :/ [08:03] well, tikiwiki syntax is not like mediawiki either. At least what I saw, at first glace [08:04] That's right, it isn't. [08:05] My point is, how helpful is it to switch to wiki creole when most people coming to tiki from other wikis know mediawiki syntax, not wiki creole? [08:06] Anyway, for wikis to be comfortable for new users, the demand seems to be for wysiwyg editing. [08:07] what variant of wiki syntax is there is not too relevant. [08:07] because most new wiki users don't want to learn any wiki syntax. [08:07] they want Word, basically. [08:07] (from what I hear) [08:08] I think it is relevant. Wikis should have similiar syntax, so that when you know the syntax, you can use any wiki you like. [08:08] It may not be different to those not wanting to use it anyway, and not using it. [08:09] But even those not wanting it but then learning it will have advantages when using other wikis [08:09] sure, it'd be helpful for the people who will use it. [08:11] but if mediawiki doesn't support wiki creole, and mediawiki is the dominant wiki, it reduces the incentive to switch tikiwiki to wiki creole. [08:11] so that's one problem. [08:12] I think Marc described the situation pretty well on the wikicreole.org page. [08:24] well, mediawiki syntax for mediawiki wikis + creole for all the others is still better than everyone having it's own. If creole is better than mediawiki syntax that's fine. [08:24] yeah, just read through it [08:25] well, the main problem for tikiwiki would be the migration I guess, and ppl having to switch syntax [08:25] the other points don't persuade me [08:30] ideally, it'd be better to have mediawiki plus wikicreole for all other wikis, than how things are now, for sure. [08:31] but as a practical matter, there isn't really a lot of visible demand for switching syntax. The demand we see is to enable people to _avoid_ wiki syntax. [08:32] _which_ wiki syntax tw uses doesn't seem to be a big issue (except "too bad it isn't the same as mediawiki's") [08:33] (maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture, but that's my perception.) [08:45] *** franck has joined #tikiwiki [08:49] I think this has changed from a few years ago. Then, people expected to have to know syntax to use a wiki. (I guess they were all technical people to begin with.) Now, as wikis spread to the masses, they want the input the same as in their word processors; i.e., MSWord. Or so it seems. [08:51] The techies still want a common wiki syntax but these people are shrinking as a %age of all wiki users. [08:52] :) [08:53] To me, inputting syntax is the heart of using a wiki, but I'm in that shrinking minority too. :-) [08:54] yeah, me too [08:54] * chibaguy pours Kissaki a beer :-) [09:04] even technies who document in wikis don't want to use wiki syntax. they use their techniques and don't want to learn anything at side. [09:05] I know that because I am trying to use a tikiwiki for an internal it documentation for an it department...with different type of techs like san/lan/ads/servers/database administrators [09:06] so the special problem for documentation is also that people don't want to spent time on it [09:08] I guess this follows the trend of technology introduction and growth... [09:08] ....in the beginning, people are into the process.... [09:08] ...later it becomes just a tool, so people want it to be as easy as possible. [09:17] *** luminoso has quit IRC ("Leaving") [10:06] huh, you have a git repo on sf? [10:06] is git the one to develop on now? [10:08] git is just being tried out in a very limited way. [10:08] ah [10:09] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie [10:16] wth... [10:17] does the 3.1 install check for loaded sqlite modules before adding them to dropdown? [10:20] i don't know [11:23] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [11:24] *** kiilo has joined #tikiwiki [11:27] hello - im stuck in a multilingual translation problem for some time now - i reread the doc but no solution - the initial hompage is always switching back to english when i try to select trad chinese on http://playaround.cc ?? [11:27] i need some additional eyes maybe :-) [11:34] do u have the 'show language based on user browser' option enabled? i think that will override the specific language selection [11:36] yes i have another computer with manadarin as prefered language [11:36] so one is english one mandarin [11:36] other pages can switch fine the hompage not [11:37] check again i18n [11:37] detect browser lang is deselected now [11:38] but show page in user prefered is selected this is refering to the user preferences right? [11:38] is there something 'wrong' with that specifc page? can u access it directly: http://playaround.cc/tiki-index.php?page=2009-%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E6%B8%B8%E6%B0%91 [11:38] if the have site default it will be english [11:39] you have engl right? [11:39] it should show mandarin [11:40] doesnt happen with mentor page for ec=xample [11:40] i am using english (US). i see the website ui in english and the home page english version [11:40] exactly [11:41] here to firefox on ubuntu en prefered [11:41] on another i switched mandarin prefered [11:41] does anonymous group have permission to change language? [11:42] ahhh check that ... [11:42] i can switch langs on http://playaround.cc/tiki-index.php?page=HomPage%2Ctw successfully [11:43] on the wiki link format, do you have "complete" (i notice that some of your wiki liks on http://playaround.cc/tiki-index.php?page=HomPage%2Ctw are not activated [11:43] prehaps an issue with chinese characters in page names? [11:43] homepage,tw was just a tes [11:43] t [11:44] yes, and that test seems to work correctly [11:44] mmmh - the issue is only with the dafault home [11:45] is that the only page that has English & Chinese characters in the page name? [11:45] I notice that http://playaround.cc/tiki-index.php?page=%E5%89%B5%E6%84%8F%E5%B7%A5%E5%85%B7%E5%8C%85 works fine [11:46] OK SOLVED [11:46] thx [11:46] hompage,en is switching fine [11:47] great. what was the issue? [11:48] maybe the manadarin character and the title 2009-xyz [11:49] :-) [11:49] dont know - the Hompage was renamed once [11:49] maybe this caused it [11:49] "HomPage" [12:10] *** wikiman has joined #tikiwiki [12:11] *** wikiman has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:13] its not going to stop svn checkout... taking ages ^^ [12:22] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [12:25] *** luminoso has joined #tikiwiki [12:28] *** luminoso has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:30] *** MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki [12:31] *** luminoso has joined #tikiwiki [12:50] tikiwiki: 03axold * r20315 10/branches/experimental/ws/ (166 files in 59 dirs): [MRG] Manual merge of the trunk branch [12:54] *** Petjal2 has left [13:03] *** luminoso has quit IRC ("Leaving") [13:07] *** luminoso has joined #tikiwiki [13:47] *** FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki [13:58] *** jesperj has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [13:58] *** jesperj has joined #tikiwiki [13:59] *** xavi has joined #tikiwiki [14:00] toctoc [14:02] *** MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki [14:04] *** pascalstjean has joined #tikiwiki [14:05] I was wondering if anyone has tried setting the Default Category for a Group using Profiles? I can't seem to get it working but not sure if it is supported or not [14:19] pascalstjean, sorry, I haven't tried that, but just wanted to say hi. [14:20] thanks for the heads up Gary, hope all is well [14:22] yeah, life is pretty good, tho a little uncertain these days. :-) [14:26] hi pascalstjean, no idea myself either [14:26] hi chibaguy [14:26] i think that is what they are working on in part for workspaces [14:27] hi xavi [14:27] chibaguy: I've just noticed another tiny bug with the displayof calendar related things... [14:27] oh, ok. [14:27] See this: http://tikiwiki.org/Tikifest+Workspaces+and+Social+Networking#Calendar [14:27] Thanks Caarrie, yes I saw some of the stuff they are working on with workspaces. Will definitely be using that once v4.0 is out. [14:28] notice the "if IE >" bit below the output from upcoming_events module [14:28] yw [14:29] chibaguy: moreover, there is not mouseover popup on events in the calendar_new module (when inside an iframe, like in that case) [14:29] when used outside the iframe, the popup mousover box displays as expected [14:30] * xavi wishes we could use tiki calendar for easying the task of planning and schedulling some events for the TikiFestBarcelona.... [14:30] marclaporte: ? [14:31] xavi, where is the upcoming_events module? [14:31] chibaguy: the "if IE >" issue is also shown when visiting the normal wiki page containing that module: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/TikiFestBarcelona (note that this in the dev.tw.o site) [14:32] sorry, I meant http://dev.tikiwiki.org/TikiFestBarcelonaCalendar [14:32] * xavi wishes there was some PluginCalendar for internal reuse of tiki calendars... [14:33] * xavi recalls seing some proto PluginCalendar in 1.10cvs or so... but no idea what hapened to that early proto plugin [14:33] s/early/previous [14:33] polom [14:34] oh yeah, I see the "if IE>" now. [14:34] hi marclaporte : do you have any idea what happened to that old proto PluginCalendar in the early days of 110? [14:34] nope [14:34] oups, chibaguy, I forgot to say. I was using firefox (maybe you cannot see it with IE) [14:35] marclaporte: ok. Anyway, we need some PluginCalendar to reuse/dogfood Tiki calendars ... see this ugly workaround: http://tikiwiki.org/Tikifest+Workspaces+and+Social+Networking#Calendar [14:36] I'm using Opera, and do see it. Probably also visible in IE. It's supposed to be an HTML comment. [14:36] ...that got broken somehow. [14:36] it took me 20 min to find out how to add the right params in the module calendar_new and upcoming_events (they don't use the same syntax for filtering for a single calendar!) [14:38] marclaporte: what do you think if we (I) try to embed the tiki-calendar.php url for the new calendar I created some hours ago for the TikiFestBarcelona (without side columns) into the iframe for the time being? (in case the popup works this way, Which I don't know, in fact) [14:39] I'd like to avoid using google calendars... (even if I've just seen a recently updated googlecalendar mod in mods.tw.o ) [14:39] Hmm, there are 3 html comments in module.tpl to give IE a br tag. I wonder why only in this instance does one of the comments break. They are used in every module. [14:39] good question chibaguy. no idea myself [14:40] Is this correct module parameter syntax: calIds[]=3 ? [14:40] from source of dev.tw.o/TikiFestBarcelonaCalendar page. [14:41] Could that be breaking the module display? [14:41] chibaguy: :-) That what I meant. That's the syntax for calendar_new. However, for upcoming events, it's calendarId=3 (!). [14:42] mmm, dunno... I'll try without it [14:43] chibaguy: it seems ,calIds[]=3 is not responsible for that. See nowadays (I removed that param) [14:43] and same effect [14:44] (well, plugin module needs to be validated again but except for that, same effect) [14:44] *** chino4011 has joined #tikiwiki [14:44] *** chino4011 has left [14:45] ok (that would have been an easy solution for me ;-) ) [14:45] :-) [14:45] the mouseover is lost here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index_p.php?page=TikiFestBarcelonaCalendar [14:46] when using tiki-index_p.php instead of tiki-index.php ! [14:46] that looks to me like a bug... [14:47] btw, I'll add again the calIds[]=3 param, so that it only shows the expected results [14:47] and not all [14:49] sylvieg: could we use the same param syntax in both modules upcoming_events and calendar_new for filtering by calendar Id? (see above if needed) [14:49] looking at the page source, I can see that html in the module.tpl is getting wiki parsed ;-) [14:50] chibaguy: ? [14:51] sylvieg: I mean, calendar_new only accepts calIds[]=3 (as an example), and upcoming_events only accepts calendarId=3 [14:52] *** SEWilco2 has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [14:52]