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[00:09] <sparkybrown> Hi. Assume I'm completely new to the web and don't know what I'm talking about in the first place. I am trying to set up a local server to host TikiWiki, so that I can become savvy enough to install a live, hosted website.
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[00:10] <sparkybrown> I am working with a Intel MacBook Pro. i've installed MAMP and have tried going through the setup documentation several times. But I must be missing something, because I can't seem to get to any website on my local server.
[00:11] <Caarrie|away> sparkybrown: you have leopard?
[00:11] <sparkybrown> yes
[00:11] <Caarrie|away> ok you dont need mamp, hold on a sec
[00:11] <sparkybrown> 10.5.8
[00:11] <Caarrie|away> if you go to the url "localhost" does anything come up?
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[00:13] <Caarrie|away> see if the folder /Library/WebServer/Documents" exists in finder
[00:13] <Caarrie|away> "/Library/WebServer/Documents"'*
[00:14] <sparkybrown> yes. it is there
[00:14] <Caarrie|away> also make sure web sharing is enabled in your sharing preferences
[00:14] <Caarrie|away> put your TW files there, and make sure you install mysql from ther internet and you should be good to go using localhost
[00:15] <Caarrie|away> *the internet
[00:15] <Caarrie|away> !google mac mysql instal
[00:15] <Tikiwiki|bot> MySQL on Mac OS X @ http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/osdb.html | MySQL :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 2 @ http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mac-os-x-installation.html | MySQL for Mac OS X installation instruct @ http://hivelogic.com/articles/installing-mysql-on-mac-os-x/ | Marc Liyanage - Software - Mac OS X Pack @ http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/mysql/ 
[00:17] <Caarrie|away> !google mac mysql install
[00:17] <Tikiwiki|bot> MySQL on Mac OS X @ http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/osdb.html | MySQL :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 2 @ http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mac-os-x-installation.html | MySQL for Mac OS X installation instruct @ http://hivelogic.com/articles/installing-mysql-on-mac-os-x/ | Marc Liyanage - Software - Mac OS X Pack @ http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/mysql/ 
[00:17] <sparkybrown> the url "localhost" I'm sorry to be so ignorant. should just be "http://localhost/"?
[00:18] <Caarrie|away> yes
[00:18] <Caarrie|away> or just type in "localhost" as the url
[00:19] <Caarrie|away> you have apache and php installed by default on leopard, you just need mysql
[00:19] <sparkybrown> once I install mysql, I should be able to go to the url "localhost"?
[00:20] <Caarrie|away> as long as web sharing is enabled you can go there without mysql or with
[00:20] <sparkybrown> ah
[00:22] <timotiCK> I'm getting the following everytime I rebuild mods list in Admin Mods
[00:22] <timotiCK> Impossible to open http://mods.tikiwiki.org//Packages/00_list.public.txt
[00:22] <timotiCK> The content retrieved at http://mods.tikiwiki.org//Packages/00_list.public.txt is not a list of mods
[00:22] <sparkybrown> thank caarrie|away
[00:22] <Caarrie|away> you are welcome
[00:23] <Caarrie|away> timotiCK: not many around at this hour, you could try to make a forum post
[00:25] * Caarrie|away sneaks back away
[00:25] <timotiCK> Caarrie|away: this has been the state for a while since May 2009....I thought by now someone had fixed it....Ok, I make a forum post....thanks.
[00:29] * ricks99_ needs help with newsletter (new 3.1 install, from svn)....
[00:29] <ricks99_> i have "users can subscribe any email address" option selected....
[00:30] <ricks99_> my anonymous group has tiki_p_subscribe_newsletters permission....
[00:30] <ricks99_> but when an anonymous visitor attempts to subscribe, they get just the SUBSCRIBE TO THIS NEWSLETTER button -- no place to enter their email address
[00:30] <ricks99_> as admin, it works fine (i can add my email address)
[00:31] <ricks99_> am i missing a permission somewhere?
[00:33] <ricks99_> the fact that it works as admin leads me to belive this. but i don't see any other newsletter perms that woudl make sense
[00:33] <jonnyb> sounds like it ricks99_ - not used them
[00:37] <jonnyb> it does check for 'newsletters' perms, so sounds like there should be some
[00:37] <ricks99_> does || mean "or" in a {if} statement in smarty?
[00:37] <jonnyb> yup
[00:37] * ricks99_ thinks there's a logic error in tiki-newsletters.tpl
[00:39] <jonnyb> looks ok to me (v late here) - are you sure you have tiki_p_subscribe_email = y
[00:40] <ricks99_> for anon group. yup
[00:40] <jonnyb> so !$user should be true for anon
[00:40] <ricks99_> it should
[00:41] <jonnyb> and you have allowAnySub set somewhere?
[00:42] <jonnyb> ah, i think it needs allowUserSub too
[00:43] <jonnyb> good luck, i need sleep...
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[00:43] <ricks99_> hmm.... tiki_p_subscribe_email is  null when anonymous, 'y' when logged in as admin
[00:44] <ricks99_> d'oh
[00:44] <ricks99_> friggin operator error
[00:44] <ricks99_> tiki_p_subscribe_email did not show up when I searched all perms for "newsletter"
[00:44] <ricks99_> now ii know
[00:44] <ricks99_> :)
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[01:01] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Info: TikiFest London Summer 2009 (August 15-16) - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=71
[01:03] <damian> oh?  Where abouts in London ????
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[05:21] <DarkKrai> ohai
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[05:22] <DarkKrai> am I required to run the setup.sh script if I am installing it to my website?
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[05:23] <DarkKrai> ive used tikiwiki before, and I dont remember having to do that
[05:29] <DarkKrai> hello?
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[08:19] <marclaporte> Hi!
[08:57] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03axold * r20833 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [MOD] Added the ws handler
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[09:30] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r20834 10/branches/experimental/webdav/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 20833
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[10:03] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r20835 10/trunk/templates/file_gallery_slideshow.tpl: [MOD] file galleries: use colorbox for slideshow (oops, seems my commit didn't work last time)
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[10:05] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r20836 10/trunk/tiki-list_file_gallery.php: [FIX] file galleries: if slideshow_noclose is set, assign it to smarty
[10:11] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r20837 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: default jQuery setup for colorbox slideshow
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[10:34] <genexbs> which tpl file to modify to change for wiki section?
[10:35] <genexbs> need to update way data is display on wiki pages of tikiwiki
[10:36] <genexbs> anyone there?
[10:36] <genexbs> >help
[10:36] <Sug4r`> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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[10:50] <marclaporte> genexbs  : templates/tiki-show-page.tpl
[10:50] <genexbs> thanks
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[11:26] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r20838 10/branches/experimental/coe/ (172 files in 43 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 20768 to 20837
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[12:35] <SirDude0Lot> Good day :)
[12:37] <SirDude0Lot> Anyone that can help me with a problem regarding tiki migration?
[12:40] <marclaporte> can try
[12:40] <marclaporte> migration from what?
[12:49] <SirDude0Lot> i need to import the data from one tiki to a other without using sql transition tools (HATE working with sql :P)
[12:51] <marclaporte> how big is your DB?
[12:52] <SirDude0Lot> Not that big, but would be horrible to do by hand
[12:52] <marclaporte> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Backup
[12:52] <marclaporte> Do you have phpmyadmin installed?
[12:52] <SirDude0Lot> Debian server
[12:53] <SirDude0Lot> phpmyadmin is win i thought
[12:53] <SirDude0Lot> oh sorry dumb me
[12:54] <SirDude0Lot> finishing my first coffee now :P
[12:55] <SirDude0Lot> think i will follow this tutorial right now, see where i end.. thanks man, will stick around to keep you noted
[12:56] <SirDude0Lot> ah phpmyadmin is in the debian repo, great :)
[12:56] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03axold * r20839 10/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Improved more things in WS
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[14:54] <donri> is there a way to have parts of pages that rarely update cached, such as menus and wiki page contents?
[14:56] <SEWilco2> donri: There is some caching.  Admin>Modules includes caching time configuration.
[14:56] <SEWilco2> donri: Wiki page PHP can also be cached.
[14:57] <donri> do you mean admin>admin mods?
[14:57] <SEWilco2> donri: But for real caching of the HTML, you should add a cache server such as Squid or Varnish to your system.
[14:57] <SEWilco2> Donri: Admin>Modules.  You said "menus" so I think you mean the modules on the sides of the page, which usually include menus.
[14:58] <donri> ah
[15:06] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r20840 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_wantedpages.php: [ENH] implement category/perspective filter on WANTEDPAGES plugin
[15:10] <donri> SEWilco2, just to check, can those external cache servers cache only parts of the page? how would they know when to kill the caches?
[15:11] <donri> i guess they hook the html output and you have to add some instructions in that in the theme to cache parts?
[15:14] <donri> uh, that'd still have tiki do those 5000 queries. :/
[15:17] * ricks99 still having issues with newsletter subscription for anonymous in 3.x....
[15:17] <ricks99> anonymous visitors can now see the form and enter their email address, but i get a "you are not logged on" error after clicking "Subscribe"
[15:20] <ricks99> i dont understand what i could b missing?
[15:30] <SEWilco2> donri: No, I think the entire page's HTML is cached.  Menus are mixed in there, unless you do something silly to wrap them in iframes.
[15:30] <donri> "Second, it supports ESI, or Edge Side Includes, a small XML-based markup language for dynamically assembling web content."
[15:30] <donri> varnish
[15:31] <donri> not sure how that could work to stop tiki from processing though
[15:31] <donri> maybe it goes before tiki o_O
[15:31] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Newsletters are for registered TW users, so they probably have to be logged in.
[15:32] <SEWilco2> donri: Varnish goes before Apache.  Varnish handles the HTTP requests, and if not in cache passes them to Apache, then caches the result.
[15:32] <ricks99> @SEWilco: so the "subcribe any email address"  is for logged in only?
[15:32] <donri> aye, neat
[15:32] * ricks99 needsto check the docs again....
[15:33] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Aren't you talking about the Newsletter feature?  Earlier this week I saw that described as being for TW registered users.
[15:33] <ricks99> y. i want to manage my mailing list  via tiki's newsletter feature
[15:33] <ricks99> need to let anyone subscribe
[15:33] <ricks99> gave anonymous the necessary perms (or so i thought)
[15:34] <ricks99> didnt' realize newsletters were for reg only?
[15:35] <ricks99> i looked thru the code... seems that anon subscribtions should b possible
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[15:36] <ricks99> didnt/dont see anything in the docs stating for registered/logged in only
[15:37] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Yeah, the Newsletter doc is ambiguous.  Look at how a user can manage their subscription.  Can someone without a TW login unsubscribe?
[15:38] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Is there a password which protects anonymous subscriptions?  Or are the subscriptions tied to the TW account?
[15:41] <SEWilco2> donri: A significant difference between Squid and Varnish is that Squid is disk-oriented while Varnish is memory-oriented.
[15:41] <ricks99> y. each newsletter inlcudes an unsubscribe link
[15:42] <donri> memory seems better, but what do i know
[15:43] <SEWilco2> donri: But Varnish does use disk when necessary; it simply depends upon the system having been configured with enough swap space for the configured amount of Varnish cache space.
[15:43] <donri> yep, i read about this
[15:45] * ricks99 looking for an alternative to mailman
[15:45] <SEWilco2> donri: What actually matters is now many cacheable pages your site has.  If most are anonymous users who read the same 100 pages, then most of your traffic is easily cached.
[15:46] <donri> something like that. our pages rarely update, but takes many seconds to load seemingly due to tiki doing alot of database queries.
[15:46] <SEWilco2> ricks99: I understand; I also use mailman.  I don't remember how deeply I inspected the TW newsletters feature, but I decided that mailman was needed instead.
[15:47] <SEWilco2> donri: Yup.  But pages for registered users tend to be uncacheable.  Fortunately, images and such things can be cached and eliminate some activity.
[15:47] <ricks99> so u just have an email link from a tw wiki page that sends the subscribe message to the list?
[15:47] <ricks99> :(
[15:48] <ricks99> not quite what i was after :(
[15:49] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Actually, I use a link to the mailman page for subscribing to the selected list.  Yeah, it drops them out of the TW decorations.
[15:50] <donri> SEWilco2, probably also cachable with this ESI thing
[15:51] <SEWilco2> donri: Does TW support ESI?
[15:51] <donri> don't i just need to edit the theme... somehow? or am i just confused?
[15:52] <donri> huh, yea, i'm probably just confused
[15:52] <donri> but if i could just cache for anonymous users, that'd still be awesome.
[15:53] <donri> sadly it seems tiki sets cookies even if you're not logged in, so the varnish defaults wont be enough
[16:18] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r20841 10/trunk/lib/wiki/histlib.php: [ENH] add category/perspective filtering to get_last_changes()
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[18:21] <SEWilco2> donri: Yes, I told Varnish to remove cookies from images and some other things so they would be cacheable.
[18:35] <SEWilco2> The "Help" icon on dev.tw.o interferes with clicking on login underneath.  Have to scroll away from it.
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[19:25] <MacLeod> Is the MediaWiki to TikiWiki converter ready for primetime?
[19:26] <MacLeod> One of our groups has actually had a MediaWiki installation going for a few years, and I was thinking of inviting them to migrate to our Tiki.
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[19:30] <chealer> MacLeod: rodrigo_sampaio should know best
[19:36] <MacLeod> k
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[19:42] <rodrigo_sampaio> hey MacLeod
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[19:43] <rodrigo_sampaio> MacLeod: the importer is ready for primetime :)
[19:43] <rodrigo_sampaio> MacLeod: I'm finishing the user documentation of the importer, you can take a look at the page doc.tikiwiki.org/Mediawiki+Importer but there are still some things missing there
[19:44] <rodrigo_sampaio> MacLeod: all the code is on trunk but it is very easy to backport it to older tikiwiki versions
[19:44] <rodrigo_sampaio> MacLeod: if you need any help just let me know
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[19:47] <MacLeod> excellent news, thx!
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[20:03] <rodrigo_sampaio> MacLeod: if you take a look at the documentation please let me know if you think I need to improve any part of it
[20:09] <MacLeod> I'll probably wait for the release of Tiki4 to try this.
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[20:45] <Tumac> is there a live body here?
[20:46] <Tumac> i got a valid TW question if there is
[20:48] <Tumac> anyone ever run into issues with permissions not applying
[20:50] <rodrigo_sampaio> Tumac: what is the problem you are having with permissions?
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[20:53] <Tumac> I just figured it out - I wasn't being granular enough with individual permissions at the page level
[20:53] <Tumac> I was just choosing anon and thinking it would apply to the whole page when i had to choose P_view
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[22:39] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r20842 10/trunk/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [FIX] wiki_rename_page(): don't escape special characters before storing in DB
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[22:57] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r20843 10/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] various special HTML characters escaping fixes for wiki page names
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[23:31] <iannhigginson> url for trunk please
[23:34] <iannhigginson> help
[23:34] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
[23:34] <cheal> iannhigginson: see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=SVNTips
[23:36] <iannhigginson> cheal: thank you
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