#tikiwiki 2009-08-17,Mon

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Who	What	When
Kissaki	now I have to merge it manualy to my svn trunk checkout.... and then commit the trunk snapshot is hopefuly made daily?	[00:00]
	hm, I think it was just 2 files...	[00:06]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03kissaki * r20900 10/trunk/ (installer/tiki-installer.php tiki-install.php): tikiwiki: typos, code formatting and style guiding tikiwiki: removed obsolete code and comments, plus: added comments	[00:07]
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	tikiwiki: 03kissaki * r20901 10/trunk/tiki-install.php: [code] coding style	[00:22]
marclaporte	Kissaki: : sybase stuff can be nuked	[00:25]
Kissaki	good marclaporte: mssql? oci?	[00:25]
marclaporte	mssql: yes	[00:26]
Kissaki	remove oracle as well?	[00:26]
marclaporte	oracle: Dave said he wanted to help, but no code, so nuke too we have waited long enough....	[00:26]
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nicolamr	Sorry, but "hello world"'s way to import a library ( global $commentslib; include_once('lib/commentslib.php'); ) doesn't seem to work (in 3.0)	[00:33]
marclaporte	very possible	[00:33]
nicolamr	wow even the simplest introduction page isn't up to date? - talking about dev	[00:37]
marclaporte	code moves very fast 6 months between major releases	[00:51]
nicolamr	fascinating - a bit difficult to get in, but still very interesting (it's the first time I collaborate to an OS)	[00:52]
marclaporte	yes, there is learning curve	[00:52]
nicolamr	are you guys all from the US?	[00:52]
marclaporte	the nice thing is that once you get past the hump, you can do pretty much everything except ecommerce translated in 35 languages, it's a global community I am from Montreal, but in London now for TikiFest	[00:53]
nicolamr	:) is the project always active as I've seen today in irc? is this the only channel used by tikiwiki?	[00:53]
chealer	an OS, eh	[00:56]
marclaporte	see: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_logs/tikiwiki	[00:56]
nicolamr	oups, i meant open source...	[00:57]
chealer	chealer wonders if that should be taken as a compliment or an insult	[00:57]
marclaporte	activity is split between various *.tikiwiki.org sites, the SourceForge mailing lists and IRC	[00:57]
chealer	ah, an open source project, yeah. welcome, nicolamr	[00:58]
nicolamr	thank you, chealer. I reckon this will be fun.	[00:59]
Kissaki	nicolamr: no, not us	[01:03]
nicolamr	I can't believe titles with accented letters are not supported!! How can italian and french people be using tikiwiki?	[01:04]
Kissaki	marclaporte: bless me	[01:07]
marclaporte	http://tikiwiki.org/SWOT -> overall Tiki plan	[01:07]
Kissaki	marclaporte: I dunno exactly if I changed something today... but after removing the local.php it did create the tables in pgsql marclaporte: could you check if on that pgsql test thing, if there's a local.php in /db?	[01:07]
marclaporte	sure there is no local.php marclaporte is updating to latest trunk	[01:08]
Kissaki	ok wait a moment marclaporte: have something else to commit :) but could you point me to the file to make the translation strings up to date? can't search for it on dev.tw.o when it's down :P	[01:10]
marclaporte	lang/xx/language.php	[01:10]
Kissaki	and didn't use it before... ty n no	[01:10]
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Kissaki	I mean, after changing the english text, you have to run a script, right?	[01:11]
marclaporte	yes get strings not sure how it works though nicolamr: there is a way to handle accents	[01:12]
nicolamr	how do I do it?	[01:14]
marclaporte	you want accents in page names?	[01:15]
Kissaki	marclaporte: I did commit now SVN is so damn slow :( when browsing history etc marclaporte: (it will fail on some update, I think admin account though)	[01:15]
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nicolamr	marclaporte: my native language is italian, many words have accents in italian... (if possible, I'd like commas too in pagenames).	[01:22]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03kissaki * r20903 10/trunk/db/ (5 files): [CODE] moved insert command from previous commit 20826 to a fitting position	[01:24]
Kissaki	CIA-64: you forgot one!	[01:24]
	well, then gn8	[01:29]
marclaporte	Kissaki : Fatal error: Class 'InstallerDatabaseErrorHandler' not found in /home/dbtiki/public_html/postgresql-trunk/installer/tiki-installer.php on line 678	[01:29]
Kissaki	hm	[01:29]
marclaporte	we seem to be getting closer :-)	[01:30]
Kissaki	oh, it seems I shouldn't have moved that class definition down in tiki-install.php didn't like that class def in the middle of the code...	[01:30]
marclaporte	nicolamr: tiki-admin.php?page=wiki -> Wiki link format -> complete	[01:31]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03kissaki * r20904 10/trunk/tiki-install.php: [FIX] move class def back up. Did produce an error	[01:32]
Kissaki	"// $Id: tiki-install.php 20904 2009-08-17 01:31:48Z kissaki $" <-- is svn doing that? stupid thing...	[01:32]
marclaporte	Database connection failed	[01:33]
Kissaki	really? could you open it for remote access? so we can see if you can even connect	[01:34]
donri	our tiki claims to use hundreds sometimes thousands of queries per page load, though there is no obvious reason why it should. ideas?	[01:34]
Kissaki	so we know if it's a tiki issue	[01:34]
donri	i thought it was just what tiki does, but i see other installs using only a few dozens	[01:35]
marclaporte	http://db.tikiwiki.org/postgresql-trunk/tiki-install.php Kissaki: you have SSH on that box	[01:35]
Kissaki	oh right	[01:36]
nicolamr	I see. Thank you and sorry for all this questions. Surely you have more important things to do. Now I might be able to migrate to tw and update my website. Thank you again.	[01:36]
marclaporte	donri: depends on features some parts of Tiki were not coded with heavy use in mind...	[01:37]
donri	marclaporte, but even very simple pages generate hundreds of queries	[01:38]
marclaporte	yes, that is possible not ideal, but possible	[01:39]
donri	anything we can do about it?	[01:40]
marclaporte	can still be quite quick, because simple queries Do you have a speed problem? Do you have a load problem (ex.: your host complaining, etc)?	[01:40]
donri	we just got a new server so it is at least usable fast now	[01:41]
marclaporte	What you can do: turn off features one-by-one to try to single out the one which causes lots of queries	[01:41]
donri	but some pages still takes ten seconds to load, and that's for processing not bandwidth	[01:41]
marclaporte	calendar & structure are usual suspects and categories as well, if you have several hundred	[01:42]
donri	none of those	[01:42]
marclaporte	There are over a thousand preferences in Tiki, so I can't go along guessing! ten seconds to load -> too much which version of Tiki?	[01:42]
donri	http://lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php the menu is cached which removed some 33 queries, the rest is basically just a simple wiki page + modules that i don't see why they'd use the db at all. 3	[01:43]
marclaporte	[ Execution time: 0.38 secs ] [ Memory usage: 6.93MB ] [ 695 database queries used in 0.0 secs ] that seems quite strange what is a slow page?	[01:46]
donri	what's even weirder, if you click "introduction"; it's a longer page but it uses almost no stuff. no internal wikilinks, no box or rss plugin... and more than twice the queries. FAQ is really slow 4933 database queries and not really doing anything complex with any plugins	[01:46]
marclaporte	ok, try turning off forums	[01:47]
donri	aha, but why should forums matter? especially if you're not even logged in?	[01:48]
marclaporte	my hunch is that comments on wiki pages into forums could be it (wiki discuss)	[01:48]
donri	oh	[01:48]
marclaporte	http://lojban.org/tiki/tiki-forums.php -> 7000 posts.	[01:48]
donri	but why does that matter o_O	[01:49]
marclaporte	maybe each wiki page is checking if there are related posts in forums.	[01:50]
Kissaki	I'm off. Gn8	[01:50]
marclaporte	it's very hard to tell without having tools tks Kissaki! and data donri: : you could check sql logs	[01:50]
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donri	that'd be quite stupid, especially when not even logged in. (not to bash open source developers, love you! :))	[01:51]
marclaporte	hehe	[01:52]
donri	marclaporte, i'm not the head admin, don't want to mess around too much. can i safely disable "Discuss pages on forums." and enable it back later?	[01:55]
marclaporte	yes but of course, you have backups (in case) Ask Robin to fire up his debugger :-) also it could be nice to try a copy of the database against Tiki 4.0	[01:57]
donri	is that stable or devel?	[01:59]
marclaporte	devel Just today, work was done on performance	[01:59]
donri	also: "Discuss pages on forums." has no effect on queries	[01:59]
marclaporte	ok Should see gain of 20-25% (but depends on features)	[01:59]
donri	i just have a feeling it is something simple messing things up. some setting or possibly bug. do you think the forums themselves just being there could affect things? even with wikidiscuss disabled?	[02:04]
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nicolamr	Yeah! Successfully migrated from wordpress to tikiwiki!	[02:15]
marclaporte	that was fast! donri: yes	[02:18]
nicolamr	I'll update the patch when dev's up again. Commit access for another day. I'm tired now. Good night folks.	[02:23]
marclaporte	'night!	[02:24]
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donri	is "edit css" not capable of editing option sheets?	[02:49]
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chealer	donri: what do you mean by option sheets?	[03:14]
donri	some themes have multiple versions	[03:14]
chealer	donri: the forums just being there shouldn't have a significant impact on most pages...unless there's some kind of performance bugs. but you'd better give an example Kissaki^0ff: yes, svn does that	[03:15]
donri	chealer, the example is that the faq page which uses very little features and plugins hits 5000 queries	[03:16]
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chealer	donri: which version exactly?	[03:19]
donri	3.something, uhm probably what's the latest stable	[03:23]
chealer	3.1	[03:28]
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luciash	polom	[06:19]
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marclaporte	polom luciash: I see shadowbox checkbox in admin panel	[09:03]
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chibaguy	Hi marclaporte, in that connection, I wonder what happens to the previous wiki syntax like 'rel="shadowbox[gallery]"'. Keep using that term, or update to use 'colorbox'. I guess luci and jonny will sort that out.	[09:25]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r20905 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Sorry about destroying childhood dreams of even distribution of elements per result page, but this really isn't worth 73000 permission checks and 2000 queries, this will have to be designed, not hacked tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r20906 10/trunk/lang/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [ENH] Handle the language files part of the Quicktags -> Toolbars renaming (thanks, JonnyB)	[10:00]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20907 10/trunk/templates/tiki-manage-workspaces.tpl: [MOD] Improved more the workspaces management	[10:36]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03mangapower * r20908 10/trunk/lib/workspaces/wslib.php: [MOD] wslib don't delete items when uncategorizing them from ws	[11:25]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20909 10/trunk/templates/tiki-manage-workspaces.tpl: [MOD] Improvements over tiki-manage-workspaces.tpl	[11:44]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r20911 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/ (5 files): [MOD] Deploying more filters tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r20912 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php: [ENH]added support for TITLE attribute of IFRAME element (required for WCAG 1.0 Priority 1) tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r20913 10/branches/proposed/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php: [ENH]added support for TITLE attribute of IFRAME element (required for WCAG 1.0 Priority 1)	[12:34]
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	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20914 10/branches/proposed/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: [bp/r20870][FIX] .flv files weren't playing in Opera and IE. Thanks to luci for the fix.	[12:57]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20915 10/branches/proposed/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_split.php: [bp/r20863][ENH] Switch table class from normal to normalnoborder, since content-layout columns don't usually have borders. tikiwiki: 03axold * r20916 10/trunk/tiki-manage-workspaces.php: [MOD] More little improvements	[13:00]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20917 10/trunk/styles/feb12.css: [EHN] Topbar custom code div color and background color that work better with the rest of the page.	[13:22]
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	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20918 10/trunk/templates/tiki.tpl: tikiwiki: [ENH] Return to using icons for column show\|hide (since now theme-specific icons tikiwiki: are possible). Todo (by someone with JavaScript know-how): fix continuity of tikiwiki: show\|hide state after page refreshes (regression bug), and hopefully have tikiwiki: separate images for each state similar to menu and module show\|hide icons.	[13:54]
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luciash	re chibaguy: i think we should stay backward compatible, so rel=shadowbox[]... is supported chibaguy: i will do my best to support shadowbox width,height etc. too	[14:38]
chibaguy	ok, that'd be good for sites using rel=shadowbox[] already.	[14:42]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r20919 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.select_all.php: [FIX] Increment id (and name) when more than one select all checkpox per page tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r20920 10/branches/experimental/coe/ (92 files in 59 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 20898 to 20918 tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20921 10/trunk/styles/layout/ (layout-reference.css layout.css): [ENH] Return to using icons for column show\|hide (since now theme-specific icons are possible. Also some syncing of layout-reference.css. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20922 10/trunk/pics/icons/ (oleftcol.png orightcol.png): tikiwiki: [ENH] Return to using icons for column show\|hide (since now theme-specific icons tikiwiki: are possible). Todo (by someone with JavaScript know-how): fix continuity of tikiwiki: show\|hide state after page refreshes (regression bug), and hopefully have tikiwiki: separate images for each state similar to menu and module show\|hide icons.	[14:44]
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chibaguy	luciash, at tw.o, I moved the menu up into div#header-top so it wouldn't overlap the login form/background (quick temporary solution to that problem). Didn't figure out anything for IE6 yet.	[15:35]
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luciash	chibaguy: thank you !	[16:03]
SEWilco2	Is there an option to list all file galleries, rather than only those with Parent == Top?	[16:12]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r20923 10/branches/experimental/edit_fixup/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 20922	[16:22]
Kissaki	MangaPower or Aldo ?? hm, pretty empty here...	[16:25]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: PHP error on new install - help please - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=34324	[17:31]
chealer	I can't use the login button on tw.o anymore, since yesterday. my mouse cursor doesn't change when it's over the button. clicking has no effect. using iceweasel 3.5.1	[17:34]
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nicolamr	Default site language is italian. On a wikipage I select language->english, but it still loads the italian version. version 3.0	[18:44]
sylvieg	did you associated the en and it pages together?	[18:48]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20924 10/trunk/templates/tracker_filter.tpl: [FIX]tracker: duplicated 'items found' div	[18:51]
nicolamr	I had the it page and used the "translate" function.	[18:59]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r20925 10/branches/experimental/kaltura_integration/ (791 files in 146 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 20189 to 20918	[19:03]
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nicolamr	Maybe it's the browser lang detection. Can someone take a look at this page and tell me if it's english or italian? http://www.nicolamarcaccirossi.com/tiki-index.php?page=Travel+in+South+America thanks	[19:07]
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nicolamr	I don't get it! IN some pages it works, and in some not.	[19:11]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20926 10/trunk/tiki-objectpermissions.php: [FIX]perm: display perm name (otherwise duplicate with description	[19:14]
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SEWilco2	TikiFest streaming... what streaming service do we use? I'm having trouble finding saved info which mentions it.	[19:39]
timotiCK1	mod-adsense.php ============= {MODULE(module=>adsense,client=pub-xxxxxxxxxxxx,display=468*60_as,color_border=edeed5,color_bg=edeed5,color_link=0000CC,color_url=008000,color_text=000000)}{MODULE} when setup with a assense.client it show the following error Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_DOUBLE_ARROW in /var/www/htmlmap/tikiwiki-3.0/modules/mod-adsense.php on line 21	[19:42]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20927 10/trunk/tiki-objectpermissions.php: notice	[19:43]
SEWilco2	timotiCK1: Maybe you should report the bug on dev.tikiwiki.org	[19:44]
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timotiCK1	SEWilco2: Ok..	[19:44]
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sylvieg	timotiCK1: did you change the source line 21 is a comment on tiki3	[19:46]
SEWilco2	Re-discovered ustream.tv.	[19:54]
chealer	SEWilco2: it's not a bug, you need to use just equal for all parameters, not "=>"	[20:01]
sylvieg	=> and = were both accepted - Is it changed?	[20:04]
timotiCK1	sylvieg: I just deleted the // at the start of the line and entered the adsense,client number.	[20:07]
sylvieg	this line must be put in admin->look or in... but oyu can not change the php is the search feature working for somebody - I have a sql error	[20:08]
timotiCK1	sylvieg: where in admin->look?? exactly??	[20:11]
sylvieg	tiki-admin.php?page=look	[20:12]
SEWilco2	When editing a blog entry there is a "Tip" at the top. Where is the tip's text administered or stored? I want to change the Tip.	[20:19]
timotiCK1	sylvieg: yes, but under Theme, General Layout, UI Effects, Other ??	[20:25]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20928 10/trunk/tiki-editpage.php: [FIX]wiki: Allow html was lost	[20:27]
chealer	hum. timotiCK1, does it work with "module=adsense" instead of "module=>adsense"?	[20:29]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20929 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]wiki: last changed pages back	[20:31]
sylvieg	oops .. timotiCK1 was confused between adsese and google analytics so you need to add the line in a wiki page if you want in a page - or use it in admin->modules if in a column	[20:32]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20930 10/trunk/tiki-index.php: [FIX]wiki: avoid loop when accessing to a page named 'A B' when a page 'A+B' exists'	[20:40]
chealer	sorry sylvieg, SEWilco2, timotiCK1, the example should work	[20:41]
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sylvieg	chealer: yes but not if in the php code - the php must not be chjanged	[20:42]
chealer	sylvieg: oh - right! timotiCK1: so where do you want to module? sylvieg: simple search test in trunk seems to work - no sql error.	[20:44]
sylvieg	chealer: I got an error the first time I used it .. in lucene lib - and after I can not reproduce ... but I do not understand on what it is searching? searching on.... the description opf the magic table?	[20:49]
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timotiCK1	silvieg: "so you need to add the line in a wiki page if you want in a page - or use it in admin->modules if in a column" I want to use it in the column and I did set it up by gives the following error "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_DOUBLE_ARROW in /var/www/htmlmap/tikiwiki-3.0/modules/mod-adsense.php on line 21" a previously said. sylvieg: "so you need to add the line in a wiki page if you want in a page - or use it in admin->modules if in a column" I want to use it in the column and I did set it up by gives the following error "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_DOUBLE_ARROW in /var/www/htmlmap/tikiwiki-3.0/modules/mod-adsense.php on line 21" a previously said.	[21:03]
sylvieg	(04:07:16 PM) timotiCK1: sylvieg: I just deleted the // at the start of the line and entered the adsense,client number. If you cahnged the php file - for sure it will not work	[21:04]
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chealer	timotiCK1: while you messed with the code, it may be a good time to upgrade to 3.1	[21:07]
timotiCK1	sylvieg: yes...but i've put the // back in the mod-adsense.php and it still does not work.....look at www.maps.gov.ck on the left column right athe bottom. chealer: I am using 3.1	[21:08]
chealer	timotiCK1: oh, if you say so. did you the module like any module? timotiCK1: did you add the module like any module?	[21:09]
timotiCK1	chealer: yes....	[21:10]
chealer	timotiCK1: are you aware that it has required parameters?	[21:11]
timotiCK1	chealer: Admin>Modules>Assign New Module>select from drop-down list...etc Adsense??	[21:12]
sylvieg	timotiCK1: on a site that is working - I set in admin->modules module adsense and in the ;param line client=xxxx&display=160*600_as&color_border=904A7B&color_bg=e6d2dd&color_link=520A35&color_url=336666	[21:12]
chealer	timotiCK1: adsense has required parameters, yes	[21:13]
timotiCK1	chealer, sylvieg:Ok you two...thanks for your help...I know where the problen is now.	[21:18]
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timotiCK1	sylvieg, chealer: "Display type unknown, you have to enter the banner type" error on mod-adsense.php client=pub-xxxxxxxxxx,ad_channel=mow-hor,display=468*60_as,color_border=edeed5,color_bg=edeed5,color_link=0000CC,color_url=008000,color_text=000000 client=pub is hidden on here	[21:41]
sylvieg	yoiu have only a limitted possibility of display - look at the google doc or the source in templates/modules/mod-adsense.tpl humm 46860_as seems to be a legal one... did you try to put display="46860_as"	[21:46]
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timotiCK1	sylvieg: I have display="468*60_as"	[22:23]
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ikeco	heyy ricks---you around?	[22:29]
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sylvieg	ikeco: use hisirc name ricks99 .. it will probably beep on lis irc reader	[22:44]
ikeco	maybe you can help--got a few mins?	[22:45]
sylvieg	depends what is your problem - can answer between 2 bug fixes - but not ready to spend 1 hour on your specific case ;-)	[22:46]
ikeco	kk--got weird flash plug in issue---plug in works if used in heading of article, but not if in body....	[22:47]
sylvieg	3 or trunk?	[22:48]
ikeco	pretty familiar with tiki--been using since 1.8 3.1 problem showed up after upgrade to 3.0 Ricks99 thought it might have to do with ajax, but disabling doesn't help	[22:48]
sylvieg	dammit - me too :-(	[22:51]
ikeco	same problem, or same guess	[22:52]
sylvieg	:-( it is again the -- transform to <del>	[22:53]
ikeco	???	[22:53]
sylvieg	it is a bug that I am on since ....	[22:54]
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ikeco	makes me feel a little better (not my error)...any workarounds?	[22:55]
sylvieg	put in comments the line in lib/tikilib.php that include <del> .... but there is a bug somewhere	[23:00]
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ikeco	Thanks silvieg--I'll give it a try---	[23:02]
sylvieg	it is not the real fix - need to fid out why - but the <del> is always bugging	[23:03]
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ikeco	seems to mostly work silvieg---thanks so much!	[23:14]
sylvieg	will commit the real fix later or tomorrow ... need to chjange the regexp	[23:15]
ikeco	Having some other issues as well, prolly also related to code changes since 1.10... but will ask another time---thanks so much again--I'd have never found that line.	[23:18]
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