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chibaguyIf anyone is around who has a trunk installation and IE browsers, can you please check how the login form looks in Strasa? [00:32]
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chibaguyah, a new Tikifest in November to release tiki 4, I see.
a slight delay, but necessary, I think. and better this way. 		[01:08]
marclaporte:-) [01:17]
I am looking forward to site upgrades
I felt themes.tw.o would great to start with. You up for it? 		[01:25]
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ricks99ricks99 is testing upgrade for smarties -- to use trunk [01:33]
marclaporte:-) [01:36]
chibaguyupgrade to trunk? [01:39]
ricks99y [01:39]
chibaguysue
sure (re themes.tw.o(
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chibaguy heads for coffee pot
themes.tw.o is kind of a low-risk upgrade since it's more of "aftermarket" service than essential info for install, config, etc.
maybe the only downside is if people are looking for theme demos for the current release, it wouldn't be accurate in that sense
otoh, they could see how cool their sites will soon look ;-) (thinking of the shadows on css menus, for one thing). 		[01:39]
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chibaguyBut theme appearance and compatibility is pretty consistent between tiki 3 and 4, so there won't be a big problem, as a demo site.
no need for a special tiki3 demo, unlike with tiki 2. 		[02:17]
mlaportemy feeling as well [02:31]
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chibaguychibaguy says keep on trunkin' (upgrade of themes.tw.o in progress) [03:38]
mlaportelol
dogfood theme song for Tiki! 		[03:49]
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chibaguyhmm, white screen after 3.2 update to trunk at themes.tw.o
update 3.2 to trunk
tiki-install went ok, then nothing on any page
had some errors due to incomplete file transfers, but retranferred and no more errors, but.... 		[05:30]
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dogfood. yum. [05:55]
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checked pretty much all the files. awaiting inspiration. [06:24]
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changisome apache error ? [06:44]
SEWilco2Check if db/local.php is OK. Someone mentioned a problem with that file during an update recently. [06:48]
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chibaguytooI checked db local and updated $db_tiki and $dbversion_tiki, but no improvement.
This is the complete page source for tiki-index.php: <div id="menu_43_css_vert" style="display:block;">
:-)
no idea why just that
part of one left-column module 		[07:08]
trying a fresh install in a new directory [07:17]
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CIA-75tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21969 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
tikiwiki: [ENH] change last_tracker_items module to new module style (modules-doc).
tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: [FIX] nonums notices
tikiwiki: improve and translate error messages
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21970 10/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] HTML special chars encoding 		[07:43]
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stripmindhi all. what permissions besides the below are necessary to create a topic in a forum?
tiki_p_forum_attach
tiki_p_forum_post
tiki_p_forum_post_topic
tiki_p_forum_read
do you need other perms from other types? like CMS, comments, wiki, or tiki? i've removed most perms from anon that aren't read/view related, but creating a forum topic is something i'd like to keep open for the moment. 		[08:02]
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chibaguyfresh install of trunk in another directory at themes.tw.o works, so apparently there's a problem with one or more files in the root directory, so I'll check on that. [08:26]
Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: can I use php code in the tiki-custom_home.tpl ? should I even try that ? Will it break something ? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=34822 [08:33]
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CIA-75tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21971 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21972 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-last_tracker_items.php: document sort_mode in more depth and set title to "Last Modified Items" if sort_mode=lastModif_desc
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tikiwiki: [FIX] last_modif_tracker_items, broken in r21969.
tikiwiki: and avoid any breakage like this to happen again merging in last_tracker_items. Credits go to Sylvie 		[08:48]
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CIA-75tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21974 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [MOD] admin include general: restore the option collapsing/expanding as it was before deploying lesser magic [11:26]
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Kissakiis tiki_secdb new? (last 2 months) [12:26]
tiki-secdb sql file has all the settings with value 3.0 as version. Will it even use them then?
ah, it's only for file-checking, so I don't need it...
Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'smarty_setup.php' (include_path='G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/pear;.;G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/core/lib') in G:sharewwwtikiwiki_trunkdbtiki-db.php on line 148
on recent trunk 		[12:33]
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Kissakinobody? :(
marclaporte: mornin :) 		[13:05]
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Kissakiusing trunk, can I just plain use it? or do I have to do something?
do I have to add smarty somewhere?
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marclaportemorning! [13:06]
KissakiI'd try it with 3.1, but those sql files (esp. mysql one) seem fucked up... had some work on trunk after all :) [13:07]
marclaporteoh! [13:07]
Kissakiso? should I not have to? [13:10]
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Kissakimh
$dbversion_tiki='4.0';
works on mysql, no smarty error
but why... ^^
with manual pgsql db creation/insert to bypass the installer, I'll get that fatal error (above). It seems it somehow does not load smarty
how does smarty depend on the db in such an awful way? 		[13:25]
chibaguyThemes.tikiwiki.org (finally) updated to trunk :-)
Probably some updates needed for theme files; this is mostly done but I need to doublecheck. 		[13:40]
marclaportechibaguy: : ahead of schedule!!!! [13:49]
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dthackermarclaport: email coming to dev list.
marclaporte: email on db independence on dev list. 		[14:38]
marclaportemarclaporte checks email [14:40]
dthackerKissaki: ping [14:40]
Kissakiyes?
that's my mail 		[14:40]
dthackeryou don't know me. I'm one of absent doc/dev folks. Are you back working on pgsql? [14:41]
Kissakinot really
just pointed out where the problem is :)
well, I still have some time today 		[14:41]
dthackerthat is good help [14:42]
Kissakibut won't be able to finish it in the next 3 days [14:42]
dthackernods [14:42]
Kissakino spare time within the week [14:42]
dthackerI'm willing to help work on db independence. Is it feasible to branch and re-merge at 5.0 in your opinion? [14:43]
Kissakiwell, no idea. As long as dropping pgsql does not mean dropping pdo and independence-practices :) [14:46]
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Kissakias it was done anyway with installer and whatever else as one can see now
well, I don't even have an idea how much code is not db independent
so I have no idea if it's fixable in 2 days
idealy, all was done by me with converting the install sql script 		[14:47]
marclaportemarclaporte reads mail on tiki-devel [14:48]
Kissakibut as the installer itself is not db independent, that won't do it
and god knows how much more code, modules and extensions are not db independent 		[14:48]
dthackerso the effort would have to a parallel installer. [14:49]
Kissakinot really, it would just have to use pdo (or adodb correctly) [14:49]
dthackerhmmm [14:49]
KissakiI don't know where the issue with the installer lies conretely.
but it just uses mysql anyway, even when selecting pgsql 		[14:49]
dthackermarclaporte: that email may have just gone to you directly.... [14:50]
Kissakididn't deeply-check it yet, as I noticed it was adodb, which I'm not familiar yet, and that's when my spare time was cut off
maybe it's just one php line pulling the <select> option, who knows :) 		[14:50]
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dthackerKissaki: ok, I'll just have to start digging. [14:53]
Kissakidthacker: I'd start digging on the smarty error
tiki with pgsql may work without installer (manual install) but not with that error :)
and a small php script just query-parsing the sql file can be done in 5 lines as an alternative...
but as long as it won't work in the end anyway... 		[14:57]
marclaporteif we have manual install for procedure for PG, that would be acceptable (not ideal, but a step in the right direction) [14:59]
dthackeryes, but won't be done in three days [15:01]
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dthackerI propose we mark db other than mysql as "experimental" for 4.0 release and leave code in.
Don't claim is as a feature, but don't force devs into supporting a branch.
dthacker realizes he is late to the party and didn't bring a gift ...... 		[15:02]
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SEWilco2dthacker: Gifts aren't expected. But because it's a potluck dinner, you should have brought whatever food you wanted.
... and it being an open source dinner, also bring the recipe. :-) 		[15:05]
dthackerhehe. Yes, asking for more time to make a proper dish without spoiling party. Tough question. [15:06]
SEWilco2dthacker: I agree that marking untested things in some way is a good idea. Also no need to remove untested code which might work.
Hmm. There's an idea. Maybe a table of what has been tested would be useful? Whether in dev.tw.o or in TW code.
There could be a TW function invoked for every TW feature in Admin which would emit "(experimental)" if the feature isn't in the "tested OK" list.
No performance hit because it would only be invoked in the Admin panels...and for whatever stuff is so highly experimental that it needs such a warning at runtime. 		[15:07]
dthackerI like that idea. [15:15]
SEWilco2Such a function would have a companion dev.tw.o/doc.tw.o page with published status of each feature for each version; both code and web list include date and name of person who says it's tested.
Naming the tester encourages people to perform tests so they get to be on the list. 		[15:17]
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SEWilco2Speaking of tests... as automated testing improves, people should create test scripts whose successful completion are suitable for marking a feature as being functional. So to get your name on a feature will eventually require writing/updating a test script.
The dev/doc page for the list of features should make clear that a test for DB support is only successful for the other features which are functional under the DB. Can't mark a DB as functional merely because one can log in using that DB. 		[15:20]
dthackerautomated unit testing or automated usability testing? [15:23]
SEWilco2dthacker: That definition is left as an exercise for the implementer. :-) If one doesn't like what is implemented, they can implement the other testing. [15:25]
dthackernods [15:25]
chibaguyShoutbox posts at themes.tw.o (running trunk) don't have time/date indicated. I wonder if this is a change in trunk from branch 3, or an upgrade problem at that site.
(I'll look at the file later.) 		[15:26]
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dthackerdthacker pulls trunk to install [16:14]
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luciashpolom
Kissaki: dthacker : you're testing pgsql both on win server, right ? 		[18:32]
Kissakiyes [18:33]
luciashif you tell me how to bypass installer i can test on my linux machines [18:33]
Kissakimh, that probably won't change the smarty issue :)
but sure 		[18:33]
luciashluciash just (re)installed pgsql [18:34]
Kissakiuse the pgsql script int subfolder db and execute it in your set up DB [18:34]
luciashok, i will try tonight [18:34]
Kissakithen create your local.php like: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Manual+Installation#Create_your_db_local.php_file
and then you're done
and can probably see a nice smarty require erro :) 		[18:34]
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dthackerI'll be testing on linux, but I can eventually on winxp. Don't have win server available [18:36]
c_schmitzhi everyone
Is there a human-readable changelog for the most important changes from 3.1 to 3.2 ? 		[18:36]
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dthackerc_schmitz: hold on, looking
c_schmitz: http://tinyurl.com/yemagxh 		[18:41]
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c_schmitzthank you, but I guess out definitions of 'human-readable' and 'most important' do differ :-)
out=our
dthacker :-) 		[18:45]
dthackerhehe: script output is readable, but not optimal :) [18:46]
c_schmitzyou should consider to use the LimeSurvey release script
its creates changelogs like this:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/limesurvey/files/1._LimeSurvey_stable/1.86/release_notes_and_upgrade_instructions.txt/download
it is available from our subversion
http://limesurvey.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/limesurvey/source/other_scripts/release_scripts/
even prepares all type of archives and uploads to sf.net ;) 		[18:47]
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c_schmitzhmm... Multilinguag structure still don't work
:-( 		[19:01]
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tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: [FIX] index mo notice (typo)
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Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: Cannot remove certain pages! - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=34828 [21:25]
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Tikiwiki|botInfo: 5 upcoming TikiFests! Brazil, USA, Canada, make your pick! - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=74 [22:46]
chealer_hum, "Article is not published yet " :/ [22:50]
marclaportefixed
RSS is incorrec
Tiki RSS for articles indicates yet to be published articles 		[22:55]
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tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r21987 10/trunk/templates/tiki-poll.tpl: [ENH]add LABEL element for a11y [23:51]
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