:(
argh
seems some setting with the topic
ok, either marc needs to be identified with nickserv or i will have to do it it seems
did I just get kicked?
no just deoped
so much violence in the World
For a brief moment in time, I was OP!
:-)
heheh
!deop luciash
:P
jonnyb: it's official
jonnyb: : you are a genius!!!!
oh?
:))
the table thing is the "holy grail"
you sweety ;)
this solves a long standing nightmare!
i'm just adding + and - buttons
have you tried editing the text to add more columns or rows?
not yet
enjoy (hopefully)
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2123
it's scary how well it works
trying the Wiki+Landscape one to see if it breaks (that's scary!)
I see you fixed it so when we resize, it keeps its form
seems to cope - positioning is a bit off...
it doesn't like | in hyperlinks
hmmm, they're the wiki delimiter
*g*
hmmm
jonnyb: now struggling with something like /[^(\[[^\]*\])*|]*|/ ? ;)
no - sorry, head really has gone - watching telly now
aaah :)
(( |  )) and [ | ]  are both in conflict
enjoy !
aren't they in onflict in wiki syntax anyway ?
in the tables
you'd have to find the delim from the right hand side, the trouble is they both have multiple possibilities
jonnyb: have you fixed the code plugin string inclusion or should i do it ?
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sup gais :)
luciash: it's probably fairly trivial, the unmatches string is there somewhere
sup gais ?
i'm a second year student at edinburgh uni
part of our CS course is to man the fuck up and contribute to a random open source project on source forge
jonnyb: can i copy paste from some other plugin ?
it's not in the plugin
i'll do it tomorrow ;)
i know, but some other do work already, no ?
ok, as you wish
so... here i am! php developer with around 8 years experience. great at writing and documentation too. so hi :)
hi oliland 
hi amette :)
<3 tikiwiki
oliland: hi, but i don't like that fucked-up introduction much :-p
hi oliland - welcome (i gottago)
luciash: what would you have said?
luciash is picky again :P
:D
lawls
e.g. "we have to do helluva lot of documenting" ;)
thats never a bad thing!
sure
what's your goal?
oliland: yea, you can install, register on tw.o and start here: http://doc.tikiwiki.org
ACK
ey-see-key ?
madea  pretty funny mistake earlier and tried to download your whole svn tree
that was a laugh
SYN - ACK - TCP, layer 4
oliland: way to go! ;)
teehee
your TikiDevNewbie guide is good :)
but only 28 of you? really? i'm used to #django which has... yeah
guess php is out of fashion these days
300+ of us
in the channel?
as devels
oh, yeah, just saw your mailing list
thats pretty massive
oliland: glad you (randomly?) picked Tiki
mailing list is a very good place to go for tuning into the community
oliland: : what is your SourceForge username?
oliland: please convey to your teachers that we agree and students should have assignments to participate to open source projects
marclaporte: yeah, i avoid sourceforge too... oliland on everything else though, bitbucket, github, you know; the "cool" guys
+1
haze me! haze me!
oliland: uhm... we don't "avoid" sourceforge really.... ;)
what do i have to drink?
s/wnad/wand
oliland: DO you _HAVE_ a sf.net username? :P
for real: wanna get one?
i do now :)
we have SVN at sf.net
oliland: that is very considerate of you ;)
what is your sf.net username?
oliland
i found your svn... tried downloading it... fail
well, that will be your first task after passing the three big hurdles...
... the second one you actually passed already...
... you know your sf.net username...
with 436 people with SVN access (http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=64258), it's difficult to avoid SourceForge :-)
please say they don't all have write
.... let's get to the actual first and most important one...
we _all_ have write!!
on all trees!
i love you guys
oliland: http://tikiwiki.org/model
oliland: if you like the stuff about SVN write - then dig this: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3Rules
Take your time and tell us if you understand what is written there...
.... you will be tested..! ;)
haha
a Do-ocracy
thats awesome :)
oliland: spot on!
I don't have to ask you much more than "Do you agree with these rules and will follow them?"
oliland: did your teacher indicate how many hours to help a project?
We could start you off with easy stuff: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Dynamic+Preferences
marclaporte: let's see. guideline here is 50 hours. hardly worth writing home about
tell your whole class to come over!
haha! i wonder... we have a *lot* of php developers
And we have a *lot* of code :-)
in fact its pretty much a given that anyone around 20 years old born and raised in the uk with internet access has *lots* of php experience
and we are in release mode
release mode! when's it due?
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4#Schedule
sorry. i need a browser in my irssi client
or two screens :D
Well, ok, I take oliland's silence for assent... ;) - and I assume that marclaporte has already added your sf.net username to the committers, so there is only the third and last step left...
( ... and I like you using irssi in screen... ;) .. )
... Welcome to the community!!! :)
amette: i read all your guides!
baww guys!
i'd like to thank my mum, jesus, barack obama
LOL
ghandi and mother theresa are in there, too ;)
https://sourceforge.net/users/oliland
yeah
thats me!
oliland: do you have an account on http://tikiwii.org/tiki-index.php ? so you can edit doc.tw.o ?
amette: working on it
awesome :)
just got a fresh virtual machine just for you gais <3
hehe
we are clean, don't worry... ;)
i just recently upgraded to the latest tikiwiki version, the upgrade went smoothly but now i am unable to see a login area on my website and i can't adjust anything because i'm not logged in as an admin.  any thoughts are appreciated.
I3igDmsu_: can you link to your website?
www.valuebull.com
I3igDmsu_: tiki-login.php
there formerly was a whole top bar which included a logo, login, etc 
and now its missing
any reason why the top bar goes missing?
I3igDmsu_: check your Admin → Look & Feel page
polom
hi dave
ahh i've had this happen before - i am on the look & feel and the options are off the screen and inaccessable
so i am unable to change anything
the rest of the admin options are viewable, except the Look & Feel
well is shouldn't say all, but some...
is there a way to reset the theme or set it to a default?
I think you should find it in the tiki_preferences table in the database
I3igDmsu_: try tiki-switch_theme.php?theme=thenews.css
luciash: that didn't work unfortunately, any other ideas?
using Firefox ?
yep
switch the style off
and you will see the forms accessible one under the other, just without styling
python -m smtpd -n -c DebuggingServer localhost:1025
^ most useful thing EVER
i tried it in iexplore and am able to see Look & Feel now.  which theme is a safe one in version 3.2?
thenews
what theme you had before ?
MoreNeat
ah, obsolete, choose another one from thenews, strasa, feb12, coelesce, darkroom, tikinewt
if you love moreneat you would need to convert it yourself to support new layout selectors
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Upgrade+2.x+to+3.x
thats for the help
thanks*
what's theming in tikiwiki like?
lot of fun :-p
i can tell
editing the css files
how hard is it
wait
how drupal is it
i don't know drupal much
you can start with plain file
just include @import url(lite/lite.css) at the begining to have base layout functional
then you can start styling
optionally you can import layout/layout.css and layout/design.css to have basics styled
but there's no templating engine
in trunk only now
yes, we use smarty templates
but you don't have to touch it
smarty's nice :)
unless you really need weirdo-complicated layout
:)
default templates/* should be ok
you can override the default ones in templates/styles/yourthemename/*
but that's really not adviced in case you want upgrade in future you will need to modify your custom templates
luciash - do you have a site?
I3igDmsu_: personal tiki ?
yeah
or any recommendations of other tiki sites
I3igDmsu_: not personal, but I have made some Tiki sites:
wow nice work
any community sites with blogs, forums or anything like that?
i like to get a feel for what is possible with tikiwiki
http://tikiwiki.org/Nice+Sites
they're some nice sites!
tnx
you can check out Featured sites at http://info.tikiwiki.org
so let me get this straight
you're using svn as a dvcs by having all 436 users commit all their branches to the same tree?
oliland: SVN isn't distributed. it's similar to CVS, if you know.
search_wiki_page_new and search_wiki_page -> are they merged in trunk?
chealer: ok, so you just have one source with all your experimental packages and let everyone write to it
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit
cool beans
so i should really just check out trunk if i want to start fixing bugs
yp
yup
and you probably didn't learn about Tiki model in school :-)
sure didn't!
how do i check out only the latest svn so i dont have to download exabytes of history?
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/download#Using_Dev_branch_from_SVN_trunk_future_4.x_
oliland: there is one repository with all branches (experimental or not) and all developers can write to it
http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Commit
thankyou :) should probably search that tiki more
ls
>.<
polom
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alright! i think i'm getting the hang of things now
will step up the pace in the morning. It's 5:15 in scotland :'(
hey mose :-)
hey mode :)
mose
hi tikiwikers
got a mail from marc, I will handle that chanserv thing
marclaporte: ping
seems marc didn't register his nick
06:24 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Flags +fF were set on luciash in #tikiwiki.
means : have founder rights
06:27 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Flags +fF were set on sylvieg in #tikiwiki.
polom mose
register your nick, buddy
ok :-)
you know how ?
no
type /msg nickserv help
or for a faster command /msg nickserv register nick password
you should have a cloak too, that would appear more serious
but when I log in, I do use a password. This is different?
no that's not
but chanserv tells me marclaporte is not registered
06:23 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- marclaporte is not registered.
this good? http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode
06:30 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- marclaporte is not registered.
(got with /msg nickserv info marclaporte)
yeah http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode seems ok
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22281 10/trunk/ (lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js templates/header_jquery.tpl): [ENH] Added Superfish's Supersubs script for CSS menus (after talking with luci; overrides CSS width and widens menu dropdowns to accommodate longest item, to prevent overflow.)
good now you are registered
06:34 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Flags +fF were set on marclaporte in #tikiwiki.
try /msg chanserv op marclaporte
chanserv version changed since I was using it, there are flags now, and not levels
msg chanserv op tikiwiki
oups
hihi
hmmm
example : /msg ChanServ OP #foo bar
so /msg ChanServ OP #tikiwiki marclaporte
Notice from ChanServ: You are not authorized to perform this operation.
context is not implied you need to specify
hmm wait a minute
try again
oh but you have to be marclaporte
yay!
ok, I change luci and sylvie too
you also have power over the 'set' command
means you are almighty on this channel now, as luci and sylvie are
you can change flags for people
and trasmit power to others
finally!!
what is cloak?
look at /who
06:24 -!-  #tikiwiki luciash   H   0  n=luci@tikiwiki/luciash [luciash d' being]
tikiwiki/luciash is a cloak
the management of cloaks, at the time I handled it, was manual
I have to mail freenode people to have changes made
as they verified I exist with a phone call long time ago
all is explained on the website
thank you mose
http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
yeah well, I was expecting it so they reached me
http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#projectcloak
hi, any idea why would mlpvolt delete content of this page ? → http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Adding+fields+to+a+tracker
helloya mose !
heyo luci
you got powers
luciash: looks like error
yea ! than ky ou :)
eh, it's 6:57am here... ;) i should go to bed finally :-p
marclaporte: note that "giving operator privileges" is not permanent, you need to use chanserv for that
luciash: it's reassuring to have a few people people like you. I knew going to bed at 6 was not bad.
it can become permanent with adding the flag +O to users (auto-op)
mose: : can you do that?
you can do that
good training
hehe
try /msg chanserv help set
and /msg chanserv help flags
get list of people with /msg chanserv access #tikiwiki list
later ops ;)
gnite luci
msg ChanServ +O #tikiwiki  chibaguy     <- like this?
no
 more like /msg chanserv set #tikiwiki chibaguy +O
no actually
that's /msg chanserv flags #tikiwiki chibaguy +O
(as syntax changed)
or /msg chanserv flags #tikiwiki chibaguy +o (more trendy)
and to remove someone?
-o
+o and +O are not the same
marclaporte: /msg chanserv help flags
mose:  +o - Enables use of the op/deop commands.
 +O - Enables automatic op.
marc already has the +o we were talking about auto-op
mose: sorry, I didn't process your "not"
but I figure you may prefer o to O
I do, but that's not for me to decide, I let marc handle that
traditionnaly, in the past, there was no op in the channel unless there was op operation to conduct
but that's the past
the past was tiki 1.9
now we work on Tiki4!!!
:-) :-)
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22282 10/trunk/templates/tiki-notepad_read.tpl: [FIX] remove stray apostrophe from r19624
mose : Tiki just turned 7 years old!
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22283 10/trunk/lib/userfiles/userfileslib.php: [FIX] DB abstraction: cast for SUM(VARCHAR) on PostgreSQL
in the doubt, sleep
qui dort dine
hehe
is tiki-objectpermissions.php known to be broken in trunk?
known to be flakey
yeah, it doesn't display permissions
pick groups
assigned permissions
(it should pre-select groups, but it doesn't)  Anonymous & Registered at least
yeah, I got past the missing checkboxes, but when I get them they're all unchecked
(even if some object perms are assigned)
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22284 10/trunk/styles/strasa/options/ (cool.css mono.css): [FIX] Options' button selectors should be same as parent's.
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22285 10/trunk/ (lib/tikilib.php tiki-notepad_write.php): [FIX] DB abstraction: support sequences starting at 0
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22286 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-notepad_read.tpl tiki-notepad_read.php): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] wiki page overwrite from note
tikiwiki: [SEC] perm check ignoring object level
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22287 10/branches/proposed/ (templates/tiki-notepad_read.tpl tiki-notepad_read.php): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] wiki page overwrite from note
tikiwiki: [SEC] perm check ignoring object level
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22288 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: DB abstraction: quote identifier
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22289 10/trunk/lib/ (tikilib.php trackers/trackerlib.php): DB abstraction: partial fixes (identifier quoting)
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22290 10/users/chibaguy/trunk_themes/themes/ (12 files in 12 dirs): [FIX] Update misc. details to level of current trunk tiki.tpl.
eeek ! snow !
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22291 10/trunk/lib/quizzes/quizlib.php: DB abstraction: fix list_quiz_stats() (quote identifier)
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22292 10/trunk/templates/ (14 files): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: [FIX] multiline text rendering
tikiwiki: [FIX] colons inside tr blocks
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22293 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_surveys.tpl: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22294 10/trunk/templates/tiki-survey_stats_survey.tpl: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
tikiwiki: [FIX] multiline text rendering
heheh, well, when the snow is frozen and falls down together with wind of 50kmph ;)
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22295 10/trunk/get_strings.php: [MOD] get_strings: don't add php closing tag to language.php files (zend recommandation)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22296 10/trunk/lib/quizzes/quizlib.php: quotes
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22297 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] french language translations: fix one string
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22298 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] french language translations: fix one string
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22300 10/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] rollback partial 15091 tiki_p_use_as_template as nothing to do with the wiki template feature - it is depending on tracker and wiki
:-( I can not check any more permissions in tiki-objectpermissions
:-D:-D
Am I really the only one to have problem with this one
had something simmilar yesterday but jonny said it works for him
it was related to setting global perms to a group either the old way on assignpermissions or the new way on objectpermissions
please talk with jonny perhaps first or if it is just about to make the backend working then go for it if you will keep the current GUI working
on my fresh install - I have no groups in show/hide columns
i could check it saved but it wasn'r reflected on the page... maybe caching issue ?
try clear cache
ah, fresh install
ok
ah found it - now there s 'select groups tabs.... but ther is still the show/hide .. pfff.
ah, this one
it is to filter the groups columns in the table view
the other is php side to select what groups you want to work with to reduce overload i guess
bbl
HELLO
is there anybody here?
hi Guest3546 :)
hello
i don't know if this chat is the proper place to ask
I am trying to setup a tikiwiki but I am not able to do this
where can I ask my problems?
Guest3546: see topic of this channel
ahm
thankyou
my problem is that I want to create several wikis. One wiki for the proyect 1, other for proyect 2.
But user from proyect 1 can not edit pages of project 2
user 1 belongs to project 1 . User 1 can edit and view pages of project 1. But user 2 who belongs to project 2 can not view niether edit pages of project 1
so is there anything that project 1 and project 2 have in common?
I have created 2 groups, project 1 and 2 but I am not able to do this
nothing
but you'd like them to run off the same tikiwiki?
yes, is it possible?
workspaces are on the development phase - will be out probably5 - for the moment you can use category and perms on category - if different differnet you can use multitiki
each group with their wiki
yes, but I dont know how to use categories
I have created 2 categories
with permissions: p_edit_categorized and p_view_categorized
category 1
and the same for the category 2
but the user 2 from group 2 can still edit pages of group 1
so I m doing maybe something wrong?
did you assign the perms on the categories?
caatgory 1 must be tiki_p_edit_categorized only for group1 - the page must have category1 - and user2 must not be in group1
so, when you created each page you have to check the category?
yes
in tiki3 .... there is job done to easier the creation
ahmm, but it seems that when I create a new page I can not choose all the categories
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22301 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [MOD] Row and column + buttons for table dialog
the groups need tiki_p_view_categories
an extra permission?
I will check right now
tiki_p_view_categorized  	   	category  	 inherited from Anonymous  Can view categorized items 
I have it from anonymous
But could it be a problem that registered user has edit permissions?
so, if a user has registered permissions, user would be able to edit all the pages
there is a perm to see the category tiki_p_view_category and there is a perm tio see the object of a category tiki_p_view_caetgorized
I m sorry, I dont get you
the permission I have for the categories are:
 	ProjectB  	tiki_p_edit_categorized  	 Remove from this Category Only  (Remove from this Category & all its Children) 	ProjectB 	tiki_p_view_categorized 	Remove from this Category Only (Remove from this Category & all its Children) 
should i add more permission for the category? I removed the default permission for a category
the problem is taht when editing a page you do not see the categories?
yes
so you need to add tiki_p_view_category (ou tiki_p_view_categories - I do not remmber) to registered to be able to see the category and be able to assigna  page to it
but tiki_p_view_categorized is inherited 
from anonymous
tiki_p_view_categorized  	   	category  	 inherited from Anonymous  Can view categorized items 
so it is supossed I have already it
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22302 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX]tracker: fix rate
ok, i understood
tiki_p_view_categories  added 
ok
ok, I understood
and just another question
is it possible to list only the pages of your category?
when you go to list pages
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22303 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_value.tpl: [FIX]tracker: do not show voting link if no perm
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22304 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_value.tpl: [FIX]tracker: do not show delete vote if not voted
there is a filter on category in list_pages
but normally list_page is wysiwyg
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22305 10/trunk/lib/ (jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js tiki-js.js): [FIX] Set body of plugin to selection it's if not a whole plugin tag (thanks luci)
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22306 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerfilter.php: [FIX]tracker: FILTER can works also on user and group
polom
thank you very much
I got impressed with this chat
I guess you are working on it, right?
thank you sylvieg
;)
jonnyb: : I like progress on tables
it's very clear now
addition of clicky thing to add row & column is great
i'm just working on parsing links - it's a nightmare!
Do we still need to indicate? row 3,col 3
:)
Why not just put 3 or 4 spaces
?
no idea - maybe if you're editing an existing table you don't get that - or maybe it's a waste of ascii? Happy to defer to user testing...
When you create a table, instead of populating with  row 3,col 3,  row 2,col 3,    I would leave 3 spaces.
because now, we need to change them all
i would leave only two spaces
because then you have an extra space for nothing if you put cursor there ;)
jonnyb: and what about \t instead of space ?
This is going to be fun
it would be nicely aligned then for start ;)
browser textareas don't like them, do they?
they like them
usually the tab key selects the next input
just users are not able to enter them if they don't use tabinta FF extension like me ;)
but they can delete them for sure... won't hurt
me sees now potential for insert tab icon ;)
does parse_data() handle them?
(tabinta = tab in textarea)
with latest svn up, I can no longer edit tables
why not... it's just a space character... nothing depends on it afaik
it just inserts a second one
in tables it should be safe
oh? :(
in fact, I found a bug, the text is duplicated to CODE plugin, but it stays there.  Thus result is zzzzzzz{CODE()}zzzzzzz{CODE}
you're not getting a browser cached version of the JS files, are you?
1- type zzzzzzz  2- select zzzzzzz  3- Click CODE plugin  4- click replace   (in Firefox)
no idea
I will force a refresh
still same problem in FF3, but Opera is OK.  But in Opera, if I try internal or external links, the page refreshes
how do i hide line numbers (i have :set nu) temporarily in vim ?
found it
odd marclaporte - seems fine in my firefox
ok
hello, I found a db problem by tw 3
the table tiki_plugin_security is define a field approval_by
hello FrankP_german 
tiki-3.2-mysqli.spl line 3822
in tikilib.php is "INSERT INTO tiki_plugin_security (`fingerprint`, `status`, `added_by`, `last_objectType`, `last_objectId`)
field 'added_by'
waht is correct?
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/db/tiki-3.2-mysqli.sql?revision=21708&view=markup
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php?view=markup
FrankP_german: tiki3.2 went out with the bug - will be repaired on the next release
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anybody care to help me fix an issue with the "files" plugin 2.4?
it is not displaying the files - just empty slots where the files would be
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22307 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/ (new_file.js toolbarslib.php): [FIX] Table dialog tool now copes with links correctly
I can't get the wysiwyg editor working with tikiwiki 3.0. am I just not trying hard enough or is this not a feature?
sorry liquidape - not familiar with that one but as far as i know it works. Are you sure the web server has permission to see them?
also: is 4.0 stable enough to use in a small office (10 users) or should I go with 3.0 nd then upgrade?
oys: can you try 3.2? It's better, i believe, but far from perfect
4.0 is still pre-beta, so it depends how much work you have to get done :)
yeah, it should...my old installation could see them fine
I tried putting the old plugin in and it appeared to work - but IE is broken with it
jonnyb: I meant 3.2. I'm looking for a wiki to run at a large organization in Norway. Initially it will be used by about 100 beta-testers, but hopefully it should be available to about 10000 people on the intranet in not too long.
I have some interesting constraints and requirements. It must deal with norwegian characters (a-z, æøå) and it must be very userfriendly (WYSIWYG; I can't teach everyone wikimarkup)
also, I don't work in the IT department, and they are Windows-only with IIS as their preferred webserver.
oys: if you're not going to be needing it "in anger" for a few weeks you could try 4 (which is still in trunk at the moment) but i think i'd hold off until it branches at least if it's your first time with tiki
oys: norwegian characters are no problem as it's utf-8 but for wysiwyg i recommend to wait for Tiki 4
where are you? (i am familiar with the æøå issues ;) )
Oslo, Norway
Ah, i'm coming over for a friend's birthday in a few weeks - nice place
polom
liquidape: sounds like a bug, but 2.x is gone now - try 3.2?
I've done a lot of testing with foswiki. It's a pretty good fit except it has issues with localization. It doesn't use utf-8 but with the correct locale I had everything working in Linux. But the IT department only deals with Windows.
:-)  tried - my database was not upgradeing nicely - and I had to get the wiki up under a deadline
so 3.x is another project - just need that filegal working for now
liquidape: how about trying the 3.2 plugin file?
well, filegal works - just not files plugin
foswiki+ IIS = major pain. foswiki+apache+windows worked OK. Except that there's a known issue where links can't include non a-z characters.
thats what I'm trying now
i'm not familiar with foswiki
free open source wiki
i know tiki needs special care to run smoothly on IIS - i haven't tried (but people do)
foswiki forked from t-wiki because t-wiki was too comercial.
but for the record: tikiwiki 4 should have a wysiwig editor suitable for not-very-computer-literate-users, for the wiki-pages?
the one it has isn't bad
and I'm assuming it won't be too much work migrating content from 3.2 to 4.0
it uses CKEditor but much improved now in Tiki 4
to support more wiki syntax
luciash: I'm a bit confused. the editor I have working in 3.2 allows me to select text and click on bold. This adds wiki-markup to the text but does not make it bold until you click preview.
it's not wysiwyg, it's the normal wiki one
you have to enable it in preferences and switch
luciash: in that case, I'll come back after reading the docs more thoroughly. I'm pretty sure I ticked all the right boxes, but apparently not. just one last bit of advice: do I need to install CKEditor as an external plugin or is it included in 3.2?
oys: : about WYSIWYG: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/14068  Text area helpers, Wiki Syntax and WYSIWYG and the strategic importance for TikiWiki
oys: it's included
>doctwo wysiwyg
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wysiwyg
oys: If you need to keep in sync multilingual content, Tiki is excellent: http://wiki-translation.com/tiki-index.php?page=CLWE+Demo+Screencast
marclaporte: interesting read. I was aware that it was an issue, but now I understand better why. I work as a police investigator and there is a huge need for knowledge sharing, both at a local level and the national level. Getting police officers to start using a wiki will be hard enough as it is and telling people they can't write like they do in Word will mean the project will fail.
oys: : find profiles and apply this one: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/WYSIWYG_Wiki
the text-editor stuff we (mostly Jonny!) are doing are quasi-WYSIWYG
but if you do use FCK, try the profile, and deactivate features that are not critical
The more Wiki syntax which mixes with HTML, the more risky it gets
oys  : about knowledge sharing: make sure to check beyond the wiki
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Trackers
TWiki is quite good at structured content as well
marclaporte: I haven't got that far yet. I've put in some long hours this weekend trying to get foswiki (since it is what I am familiar with) to work with Windows and only started exploring alternative wiki platforms this afternoon.
FOSWiki & Twiki are very close at this point.   Here are others; http://tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Landscape
Let us know on your findings :-)
hello 
GillesM: 'lo
bbl
the current situation is that once in a while, someone will take the time to make a how-to guide for a specific topic. This will be saved printed and put into a binder, saved on a couple of usb-memory-sticks somewhere, and mailed to people that specifically request it. as time goes by, the how-to becomes dated, the person that wrote it quit, and the value of the information deteriorates.
all my site works on 3.2 but I have a column problem on Internet Explorer .. all the column are on bottom of thesite 
what is the difference between the db tables tiki_users and users_users
tiki_users is not superfluous?
..and don't get me started on how fun it is to frantically be searching for a specific how-to somewhere on a windows-share only to discover that the last person who accessed it moved it to their desktop instead of making a copy :)
marclaporte: I had a look at wikimatrix when I was doing initial research for which platform to go with. mediawiki looked appealing, but not great wysiwyg or user management.
I was looking for something which had been tested and tried by other large companies. Here t-wiki/foswiki had me sold with their "customer testimonials"
marclaporte: you would not happen to have a copy of the files plugin that works with 2.4 would you?
I have one from 2.2ish that works on firefox/chrome, but breaks in IE
do you remember the address of the site to display a site on each browser ? 
browsershots.com ?
nope :-p
sorry
ah yes 
polom
luciash:  hello 
s/com/org
polom chealer 
hi GillesM 
luciahs all my site have all the collumn displayed vertically idea ? 
idea is that i already told you
tiki.tpl problem with new css
when did you tell me ? 
some month ago
and you had it fixed for your site even yourself
didn't you ?
no on Internet Explorer 
it is fixed only for firefox
I am testing all the site and I have the problem with internet Explorer only 
ah, there are lot of IEs and each one is crap\
without knowing version hard to tell
sorry Internet 7.05
if it's less than 8 i am pretty sure there's some error in xhtml
you can check with w3c validator if there is some unclosed div tag ?
ok
also make sure you didn't left any old tpl files on your sites when upgrading (always better to upgrade in new directory and copy your  customized files after, not just overwrite the old site)
I have did that with new dir and copying only some files
that's fine :)
This document was successfully checked as XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
hmmm... does your css @import lite/lite.css ?
yes 
you say it is on all your upgraded sites ?
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yes sir :)
you can see it on www.gillesmaire.com
if i had IE7 ;)
but i am pretty sure other sites work in IE7... e.g. tw.o
are all of them "fixed-width" ?
is it only one column going down or both ? left or right ?
sometime one sometime both
one left or one right ?
sometime left column is on bottom
ok, what means sometime ? only on some pages of the site or only on some sites homepage ?
all the sites have the same problem  : on IE7 all the column are displayed vertically
are they all fixed-width ?
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GillesM: do you have "layershadows" enabled ?
where Do i see that ? 
at L&F, second tab
luciash:  it is disabled 
enable
it show me windows 
?
which windows ?
some Main shadow start etc 
it doesn' matter, just enable and save and try again in IE7 just to be sure it is not the problem
I have to go I have a guest 
the checkbox must be enabled
same effect 
see you later
bye 
and thanks
later
GillesM: maybe just try to disable the transition stylesheet (use none) if it does affect it
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chealer: did you see my meesage about lastModif?
sylvieg: no
before I forget.. commit 22289
I am ok with f.`lastModif` as `lastmodif`' => 'tfg.`lastModif` as `lastmodif`'
but not with f.`lastModif` as `lastModif`' => 'tfg.`lastModif` as `lastModif`'
I must say I did not check
bit the associative array later will be messy
... not at all sure about that
sylvieg: I have no problem with that
the tpls still have lastmodif...
but if you test ... it should be ok
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22308 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX]tracker: get rid of the check about one item per user/ip to get the user item - because the IP check does not work necessarily - if 2 items - will give back one random one
sylvieg: if I test what?
sorry if you tested
sylvieg: I didn't test that commit
if it's buggy, I'm all for  f.`lastModif` as `lastmodif`' => 'tfg.`lastModif` as `lastmodif`'
it is just my feeling - I did not test too... I will test later
is it easy to add &fullscreen=t support for "temporary" fullscreen ? (which wouldn't save to session but only force one page to display in fullscreen ?)
now we have &fullscreen=y but then one needs to supply fullscreen=n if he wants it back again on next page
or maybe just &fullscreen could be fine for this "temporary" fulscreen ?
(as we have &display and &thumb to force files)
hi Luciash 
whithout transition sltylesheet it does'n't work :(
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r22309 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: 
tikiwiki: added icons with links to refresh Tiki cache and to set up the logo etc. calling
tikiwiki: it Quick Admin for now - it's just to help us devs now to allow quickly clear
tikiwiki: Tiki cache when we do testing with many svn ups locally and it can be
tikiwiki: removed/replaced/done better before release
GillesM: can you quickly try if the fixed-width is the culprit ?
remove it and try if it works with full-width
maybe there's a bug in the fixed-width css
GillesM: what about your mediaplayer code in Tiki ? can you fix or kill ?
fix or improve ?
it was nice interesting idea to have skinnable player in tiki core but somewhat stalled and orphaned
GillesM : http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=34909&topics_offset=8&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=4
luciah I will remove the code after my 3.2 migrations 
Marc I will think alert after multimedia deletion 
what is culprit ?
luciash:  ?
try to remove the fixed-width css
luciash is the culprit?
:D
to see if it is caused by that
ok
GillesM:  can you answer the person?
what do you name fixed-width ?
luciash:  
?
marclaporte : answered
GillesM: the CSS you put in your custom.css we provided you to have the fixed width centered layout website
luciash: I have sites with fixed-width and other without and I have the same pb
thanks!
sylvieg:  no I have a problem with Internet Explorer 7 column 
GillesM: then it must be something proprietary you put in because afaik other Tiki sites with full width work nicely with three columns in IE7
GillesM: or maybe you ommited something which is in original tiki.tpl ? hard to say...
maybe width: 100% and padding/margin can have unexpected influence and "wrap" the columns if they don't fit in the width ?
sylvieg: good point
why do you need gillesmaire.css #col2{margin-top : -11px}
with IE everything you need is a pixel..
sylvie els I have a shift 
in the lite.css I have margin-right:-100%; 
you did noit change lite.css properly to have your column width
I don't have to chante lite.css 
change
so far I now luciash correct me - but if you want to have different column widths - better to do in lite - I kinow we can overwrite - but ..  it is so easy in lite
if I suppress -100% on lite I got the problem  of column in firefox
sylvieg: better not to touch lite.css but override
override only the margin values and widths as commented in there
-100% shouldn't be changed
but -100% is not understood by IE 
yeh - I alwasy follow the comments - thx luciash and I have no pb
only the cols widths and margins of col1 
if different than default 180px
GillesM: there are conditions which modern browsers understand and CSS valid workarounds for different versions of IE in lite.css
I don't understand wht you suggest me to do 
GillesM: i don't suggest anything... just to understand you can see http://www.ground.cz/luci/css/lite/
GillesM: if that helps you (somehow)
ok now I will go to sleep 
good night GillesM!
can you give th adresse of your tikiwiki luciash using import lite ? 
http://tikiwiki.org ;)
www.menghao.cz you mean ?
no excuse me this with margin ...
yes 
this uses fixed width too: http://crystals.ourwiki.net
and with columns ...
these sites are without col
actually they have only right col on i think