#tikiwiki 2009-10-29,Thu

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Who	What	When
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luciash	sylvieg: was your fix to avoid unwanted space in pretty trackers between tracker items backproted to 3.x or is it in trunk only ? *backported	[00:37]
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Kimberlee	Martin: thanks for the video's, did u make it over to see the launch?	[00:39]
***	luciash changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! Just ask, don't ask to ask ;) Tiki 3.3 is out ! Also see http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestOrlando and http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestToronto4 ! Don't paste multiline code/errors here please. Channel is logged @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude msg from log), !help or >help to get info how to query our bots ;) Enjoy!	[00:39]
MartinCleaver	You are welcome. Yes! We saw the first ever Aries I-X launch - very exciting!	[00:40]
Kimberlee	yes it was beautiful, I'm glad you got to see it! :)	[00:41]
luciash	oh, there was some launch ? :-p	[00:41]
MartinCleaver	We were lucky that it was delayed a day	[00:41]
luciash	luciash drowning in the code	[00:41]
MartinCleaver	the Aries I-X is the basis for the replacement for the Shuttle	[00:41]
luciash	oh	[00:42]
MartinCleaver	NASA - NASA's Ares I-X Rocket : http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CBEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov%2Fmission_pages%2Fconstellation%2Fares%2Fflighttests%2FaresIx%2Findex.html&ei=buToStyrDIbO8QbT473bDA&usg=AFQjCNGgxB1sImaAEq-OSJ1Q55BWOCjYFQ	[00:42]
Kimberlee	yes, I thought about u all as I watched it, good thing for bad weather did u see the beach then?	[00:42]
MartinCleaver	hah googley y, we walked down it for a bit during our 3 hour wait	[00:42]
luciash	>google NASA's Ares I-X Rocket	[00:43]
Sug4r	Error: Error connecting to Google.com.	[00:43]
Kimberlee	I watched it from my backyard... Kimberlee hopes NASA stays in Fla	[00:43]
luciash	Kimberlee: kewl :)	[00:44]
MartinCleaver	y, well, you are on top of it, huh :)	[00:44]
Kimberlee	:)	[00:44]
MartinCleaver	I then got the others to drop me off at the Kennedy Space Center and wangled a ride home from a stranger-now-friend	[00:44]
luciash	why is it considered shuttle replacement ? can it land simmilarly back to the ground too ?	[00:44]
MartinCleaver	no, but it will take the bulk of the traffic I think that reusable must be too expensive - not sure	[00:45]
Kimberlee	very "cleaver" design...	[00:45]
luciash	ah, it can transport a lot ?	[00:45]
MartinCleaver	hah	[00:45]
Kimberlee	no pun of course :)	[00:45]
MartinCleaver	of course MartinCleaver is Head Blender at his company, Blended Perspectives	[00:45]
Kimberlee	gotcha	[00:46]
MartinCleaver	it is very narrow, but extremely tall It's a good test as to whether people read my business card and are sharp	[00:46]
Kimberlee	wonder what mine should say then?	[00:48]
luciash	haha	[00:48]
chealer	luciash: it was just an experiment	[00:48]
MartinCleaver	:)	[00:49]
luciash	yea, just reading about it on nasa's	[00:49]
Kimberlee	Martin:was it what you thought? you should see a night launch! OMG, breathtaking, really.	[00:49]
luciash	Kimberlee: heh, i wonder why weren't you at the tikifest ?	[00:51]
Kimberlee	were u?	[00:51]
luciash	luciash is too far ;)	[00:51]
Kimberlee	too busy wiki'ing? :)	[00:51]
luciash	i had no clue you live there :)	[00:51]
Kimberlee	heh. yep yep livin in paradise cartoon land i live on an island really.	[00:52]
luciash	g	[00:53]
Kimberlee	alligators in my back yard	[00:53]
luciash	very nice, my son would love it	[00:53]
Kimberlee	they even ate my pets!	[00:53]
luciash	oops	[00:53]
Kimberlee	(course they were ducks...) your son would have to watch out for them. Mine do! ;)	[00:54]
luciash	sure, anyway he's amazed by such animals	[00:56]
Kimberlee	true, we got to look at one they caught and removed from our lake it had its legs and mouth taped, I touched it it ate my duck...	[00:57]
luciash	wow	[00:58]
Kimberlee	yah, its gross how they catch them sad really, they are just animals... anyways, launch was kewl.	[00:58]
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TonikTrip	hello anyone here?	[01:04]
Kimberlee	yep	[01:13]
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TonikTrip	do you know anything about hydrairc? SEWilco2 your from minnesota?	[01:24]
luciash	TonikTrip: i don't know Sug4r: do you know anything about hydrairc?	[01:32]
Sug4r	Obviously.	[01:32]
luciash	:)	[01:32]
TonikTrip	well i have been messing with my pref on hydrairc, and i dont know how to save it. i looked for a button cant find one. i tryed /save dosnt work :( do you know how?	[01:33]
Caarrie	this channel is not for hydrairc	[01:34]
TonikTrip	well i googled hydrairc and this site came up. site said this irc chan so i joined	[01:34]
Caarrie	you have the wrong channel	[01:35]
luciash	TonikTrip: sorry, try #hydrairc luciash googles hydrairc wonders what google TonikTrip uses	[01:35]
TonikTrip	it was hydrairc save pref or something of that nature no need to be an asshole now	[01:37]
Caarrie	he is not trying to be he just wants to see how this channel got in the search	[01:38]
luciash	TonikTrip: you behave like that Caarrie: tnx :)	[01:39]
Caarrie	you're welcome	[01:39]
TonikTrip	your the one who busted out with a sarcastic comment	[01:39]
Caarrie	no one was sarcastic TonikTrip he was just asking a question	[01:40]
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luciash	heya gary	[01:42]
chibaguy	hi luciash	[01:42]
TonikTrip	anyways, sug4r maybe knows?	[01:42]
Caarrie	TonikTrip: Sug4r is a bot	[01:42]
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chibaguy	so, 3.3 is released :-)	[01:55]
chealer	yeah, after the fifth of its sentence, as always	[02:04]
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luciash	marclaporte: wb, just arrived or flight delayed ?	[02:16]
marclaporte	arrived	[02:22]
luciash	:)	[02:23]
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cheal	marclaporte: you're in Toronto?	[02:25]
marclaporte	yes I was in Toronto earlier, but still at airport. Now at hotel	[02:27]
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Kimberlee	hiya marc.	[02:39]
marclaporte	hi Kimberlee! how are you?	[02:42]
Kimberlee	good, we were talking earlier about the launch. Did u get to see it?	[02:43]
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marclaporte	I didn't see launch	[04:02]
luciash	where do we need to change "Current version is up to date" ??? it shows up to date for 3.2 sites still and even for 3.1 sites :(	[04:04]
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chealer	luciash: seems to be lib/setup/twversion.class.php	[05:22]
luciash	chealer: is it still 3.1 there ?	[05:23]
chealer	luciash: not sure, may be 3.2. luciash: but I can reproduce the bug on my 3.0	[05:23]
luciash	than it's not that s/than/then	[05:24]
chealer	luciash: I have an idea where part of the problem could be ( newVersionAvailable() )	[05:24]
	luciash: yeah, I think I found it	[05:38]
luciash	cool i hope it's not late to have it for 3.3	[05:38]
chibaguy	luciash, 3.3 is released already.	[05:39]
chealer	luciash: yeah	[05:39]
luciash	i know, isn't it just change on tw.o ?	[05:40]
chibaguy	files are at sourceforge.	[05:40]
luciash	where the version availability is checked ?	[05:40]
chealer	luciash: yeah, actually it's still 3.0 there. but http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version is at 3.2	[05:42]
luciash	grmbl	[05:42]
chealer	luciash: I have no idea how http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version is modified	[05:42]
luciash	manually i guess by ohertel or sylvie but anyway, if there's a bug in the twversion.class.php it is useless anyway :(	[05:42]
chealer	wait, twversion.class.php is at 3.3 in branch 3	[05:43]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Info: Tiki 3.3 now available - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=77	[05:45]
luciash	thank you gary luciash tired, needs nap bbl	[05:49]
CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22729 10/trunk/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: add some previous versions, just for consistency	[05:56]
PrezKennedy	... i just upgraded to 3.2 like 2 hours ago and now 3.3 is out? dangit...	[06:00]
chealer	pkdille: are you aware that http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version is outdated?	[06:09]
CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22730 10/trunk/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] adapt newVersionAvailable() to major.minor versioning scheme (and slightly simplify) tikiwiki: not completely tested	[06:17]
chibaguy	PrezKennedy, there's a 3.2 to 3.3 patch.	[06:25]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22731 10/trunk/ (105 files in 45 dirs): [FIX] Language strings improved as on dev.tw.o/Pending text corrections .	[08:11]
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Cyberguyen	does any1 have experience with ldap configuration in tikiwiki?	[08:57]
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changi\|away	Cuberguyen: yes Cyberguyen: what do you need ?	[09:15]
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Cyberguyen	changi: I have ldap up and running, but I don't want alle the users in my directory to be able to login - I want to keep them in a group	[09:17]
	I'm using ms active directory and have created a group called "intranet" where I have put my users. I only want those to be able to login to the system. In tiki I have put the following in "LDAP Group" Group DN:cn=intranet Group attribute:member Group OC:group changi: but it gives access to all users on the domain controller :-/	[09:22]
changi	Cyberguyen: your GroupDN seems to be strange. Cyberguyen: maybe you miss the end of the DN, cn=intranet,dc=...	[09:26]
Cyberguyen	changi: is was also a guess to what I should put in the fields - but will it be possible to do what I suggest with the intranet group? changi:I'm not what experienced with ldap	[09:30]
changi	Premature end of script headers: tiki-index.php, referer: https://sdphow2.cws.coe.int/tiki-editpage.php?page=Install_Windows7_from_scratch oups, wrong past Cyberguyen: what did you pu in ldap base ? s/pu/put	[09:43]
Cyberguyen	changi: dc=kailow,dc=dk	[09:45]
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changi	Cyberguyen: maybe you put the group in a OU ? Cyberguyen: then it's cn=intranet group,ou=...	[10:01]
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Cyberguyen	changi: I will need to put a group inside OU, else the users will not exist in "cn=Users" I can't get that to work... changi: I'm new to ldap - what is the group used for? If I delete everything in the "LDAP Group" then I can still login	[10:11]
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changi	Cyberguyen: LDAP Group is for filter user in a specific group Cyberguyen:did you have a look at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/LDAP+authentication#comments&highlight=LDAP%20Group ?	[10:27]
Cyberguyen	changi: so I'm using it correct, but writing the wrong syntax in the fields :(	[10:31]
changi	Cyberguyen: what did you put in group attribute , ?	[10:33]
Cyberguyen	changi: yes I have looked at the page, but whatever I write in the "LDAP Group" doesn't seem to matter I still get access if the other fields is correct. I only want the people in tbe CN=intranet,CN=users,DC=kailow,DC=dk to have access changi: but CN=intranet is a AD group inside CN=Users changi: I would think it should look in a "member" in the CN=intranet where every user is listed. maybe I'm completely wrong... It could also be that there is a bug, I was fx. not able to same Country and attribute to the database through the interface, I had to make them myself same=save bbl = lunch	[10:34]
changi	Cyberguyen: that's strenge : CN=intranet,CN=users,DC=kailow,DC=dk Cyberguyen: you can't have 2 CN in a DN	[10:39]
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ricks99	hi all :-) good job on TW 3.3 release!	[10:59]
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Cyberguyen	changi\|lunch: maybe it is me having differculties explaining it... :-(	[11:15]
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Cyberguyen	changi\|lunch: I have a bunch of users in the CN=Users,DC=kailow,DC=dk. When create a group in the domain controller and add a user to it, the group will be inside the CN=Users,DC=kailow,DC=dk and named "Intranet" in this CN there is a lot of member=CN=Cyberguyen,CN=Users,DC=kailow,DC=dk	[11:18]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22732 10/trunk/styles/layout/ (design-reference.css design.css): [CSS] Warning remarksbox title and link colours	[11:51]
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ricks99	Q: I have a wiki page with TRACKERLIST. Several users are watching the wiki page. How can I generate a "watch email notification" for a tracker item status change?	[12:08]
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ricks99	how do i genreate notification emails on any tracker item status change? for folks viewing the tracker item via the TRACKERLIST plugin?	[12:09]
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sylvieg	did you try to watch the tracker?	[12:38]
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ricks99	users can only view the tracker via the trackerlist. cannot view tracker directly the user has no idea what a "tracker" is -- they simply want to know when the info in the table on the wiki page (via TRACKERLIST) changes	[12:59]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22733 10/branches/proposed/db/tiki.sql: [FIX commit 15091] tiki.sql is not supposed to have update - the change must be done in the insert level	[13:02]
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sylvieg	perhaps you can do a little plugin - watch teh tracker	[13:03]
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changi	Cyberguyen: like i said before, it's not possible to have a dn with more than 1 CN	[13:08]
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Cyberguyen	changi: strange - but that is how Microsoft like to do it :-(	[13:26]
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ricks99	@sylvieg: it is also the same issue when watching a page that contains generated content. u do not receive notification if the genreated content changes :(	[13:34]
sylvieg	but this is hard .. if you have a module last_articles .. do you have to send an email when an article is send because he is watching the page and if only the body of the article change - creating no change in the page... do we have to send a notif Hard question	[13:36]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22734 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] Category for imported items (don't mix in the previous item's category)	[13:55]
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helene	hello everybody are you supporting tikiwiki? I have some problems, maybe you can help me ahm when creating a calendar asociated to a group how can the user add an event? because it says I have no permissions to add events	[14:17]
jonnyb	hi helene - i presume you're not the admin of this tiki?	[14:20]
helene	I am installing it and trying with a user	[14:21]
jonnyb	ok, you should be in charge then :)	[14:21]
helene	who belongs to a group jejej	[14:21]
jonnyb	are you logged in to it as admin?	[14:21]
helene	yes, but I dont know how to do that now, I am trying like a user, but I have no permissions permissions of this calendar are: tiki_p_edit_categorized tiki_p_view_categories	[14:22]
jonnyb	ah, ok - as admin you need to give this user permissions to do stuff	[14:23]
helene	tiki_p_view_categorized that are the permissions of the category I have created yes, but i have these peermissions and i have also tried to add other permissions tiki_p_add_events Can add events in the calendar MUGGES-GROUP tiki_p_admin_calendar Can create/admin calendars MUGGES-GROUP tiki_p_change_events Can change events in the calendar MUGGES-GROUP tiki_p_view_calendar Can browse the calendar MUGGES-GROUP tiki_p_view_events Can view events details MUGGES-GROUP tiki_p_view_tiki_calendar Can view Tikiwiki tools calendar MUGGES-GROUP	[14:23]
jonnyb	which group is the user in?	[14:24]
helene	But i can not add and event using a users who belongs to MUGGES-GROUP it could be a bug?	[14:24]
jonnyb	sounds silly, but have you created a calendar? i seem to remember the "add event" button is there even if there's no calendar	[14:25]
helene	jeje, yes, I have create this calender associated to the category of the MUGGES-GROUP, MUGGES-WIKI	[14:25]
jonnyb	htere might be a mixup with category perms - why not remove the calendar from that category?	[14:26]
helene	umm, and do it again? well, but it easy to create it is it maybe a bug? it is supossed that a calendar can be used for people in the group, isnt it? and add events	[14:27]
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ricks99	@sylvieg: i agree. hard question. from end-user pov however, they only see the "page"	[14:30]
jonnyb	should be, helene - i haven't really used calendars that much (in groups)	[14:35]
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helene	ey I have just check ed add event button is not the same that add event button of the day ah no, I have no permissions to add events does anybody know about it?	[14:36]
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luciash	polom polom	[15:03]
chealer	polom	[15:03]
luciash	hi cheal	[15:03]
helene	polom?	[15:03]
luciash	luciash is unhappy about the icon topic Sug4r: enlight helene whatis polom	[15:04]
Sug4r	Error: No factoid matches that key.	[15:04]
chealer	hey luciash	[15:04]
luciash	Sug4r: enlight helene about polom	[15:04]
Sug4r	Error: No factoid matches that key.	[15:04]
luciash	Sug4r: enlight helene polom	[15:04]
Sug4r	helene: 'polom' could be (#1) a geeky greeting in #tikiwiki channel, simmilar to hello ;), or (#2) a common greeting in #tikiwiki that is often mirrored for answering like 'moloq' or 'bolow' or answer whatever you feel like right now, or (#3) a greeting in #tikiwiki that was once used by someone and quickly stuck to become common culture of the community, or (#4) just some word of babytalk ;P	[15:04]
chealer	Sug4r: enlight luciash you	[15:05]
Sug4r	Error: No factoid matches that key.	[15:05]
mose	factoid actually don't know the real origin of polom	[15:05]
luciash	mose: was it what tom bambillom say when entering room or something ? iirc	[15:06]
mose	in the foreset	[15:06]
luciash	:-p	[15:06]
mose	exact	[15:06]
chealer	so, nobody could change http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version ?	[15:06]
mose	bots still don't match human memory of details	[15:06]
luciash	:) chealer: if nobody is ohertel, then yes	[15:06]
mose	I could long time ago	[15:07]
helene	plom polom	[15:07]
sylvieg	hello gang.. I have access to tw.org	[15:07]
luciash	helene: moloq :)	[15:07]
sylvieg	what do I need to do	[15:07]
luciash	heya sylvieg, right	[15:07]
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chealer	luciash: hum, not great for something to do each release	[15:07]
luciash	change tw version	[15:08]
chealer	hi sylvieg sylvieg: see the content of http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version	[15:08]
luciash	mose: nice to see you here from time to time again	[15:08]
mose	oh I still have account	[15:08]
chealer	sylvieg: just a line for 3.3 needs to be added	[15:08]
luciash	heheh	[15:08]
mose	you can use me as backup in case of	[15:09]
luciash	the watch icon is broken for me in trunk :(	[15:09]
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luciash	mose: sure :)	[15:09]
sylvieg	ok done alain did not commit the icon and .. I did not like the close icon - prefer olaf idea - or rick ideas	[15:10]
luciash	stupid the idea is good but... the icon suggested is as ugly as it can be non-graphic people should suggest their ideas but send an icon request to tikiwiki-artwork ml and we can create good looking icon which will match the rest of the iconset	[15:11]
helene	I think there is a bug in calendar section. It is supossed that registered users can add events. But I have create a group and a category and there is no way to add eventes	[15:14]
chealer	ah, I found the commit strange too	[15:15]
luciash	i have no time to explain on the mailinglist :( to Allain	[15:16]
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chealer	sylvieg: thank you	[15:18]
CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22736 10/trunk/tiki-gmap_locator.php: [FIX] Allow points in the rest of the world	[15:19]
jonnyb	In trackers you can have a category field, but it's only one level deep. Is there any way to show the whole cat hierarchy (like a deep=on param?) or does it need writing?	[15:21]
luciash	i am tempted to rollback r22735 :(	[15:22]
jonnyb	luciash: +1	[15:23]
luciash	moreover the icon names are not any better imho: "watching_disabled" implies to me the feature is disabled	[15:23]
jonnyb	indeed - and it would have to be changed all over tiki - icon names should stay the same imho	[15:23]
sylvieg	jonnyb: must be written (new option in tracker_item_field_input.tpl - suppose the categ box can be used	[15:26]
jonnyb	thanks sylvieg - that's what i feared :(	[15:26]
sylvieg	jonnyb: I suppose it is easy to do	[15:27]
jonnyb	jonnyb is scared of trackers	[15:27]
luciash	loves trackers anyway	[15:27]
sylvieg	sylvieg is scared about the code too..	[15:27]
luciash	code looks scary but it is very powerful and flexible and the code can be always improved	[15:28]
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chealer	luciash: +1	[15:30]
helene	excume once more, the fact about the calendar could be a bug?	[15:31]
luciash	helene: it could	[15:31]
helene	I dont want to bother you :-s, but i would like to know it	[15:31]
luciash	helene: please check if it's not already reported >devtwo	[15:31]
Sug4r	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/	[15:31]
helene	ahmm, where can I check it? ook	[15:31]
chealer	changing the icon name to something generic could be a good idea though. just better generic names	[15:32]
luciash	yeah, but not now, maybe after branching 4	[15:33]
chealer	helene: it could very well be. which Tiki version do you use? calendar is full of bugs.	[15:33]
luciash	it has to be replaced in all templates as jonny said	[15:33]
RavenC	to upgrade from 3.2 to 3.3, should I follow the Upgrade 2.x to 3.x process (backup, overwrite files, remove lock, run tiki-install, click upgrade) ? I don'	[15:34]
luciash	chealer: i would say eye, eye_closed	[15:35]
RavenC	I don't see anything else particular to 3. to 3.	[15:35]
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luciash	RavenC: yes, as you say	[15:35]
RavenC	luciash: Thanks	[15:35]
luciash	the procedure should be same	[15:35]
chealer	luciash: I guess that's better, but not really "generic" if someone prefers icons other than eyes	[15:36]
helene	thank you chealer: I am using 3.2 version	[15:36]
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luciash	chealer: well, true, it should be then watch, watched maybe	[15:37]
chibaguy	Actually I was already thinking about the eye open, eye closed idea that Olaf suggested, and combined that with the checked box and empty box.	[15:45]
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chibaguy	So I guess I should post to tikiwiki-art list to show them. Or upload them somewhere and post links. Eye closed looks quite a lot like a bug walking past a box - challenge of 16x16 ;-)	[15:45]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r22737 10/trunk/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl: tikiwiki: rollback of r22735 (it would need to be modified in all templates, not just this tikiwiki: one + the icon is broken now - missing images... please send your icon request tikiwiki: to tikiwiki-artwork mailing list so graphics designers can create nicely looking tikiwiki: icon from your suggestion/idea matching the rest of the iconset)	[15:49]
chibaguy	A little off topic, but it'd be neat if icons could also have hover state. eye closed (not watching) - eye partly open (on mouseover) - eye open (watching) :-)	[15:49]
helene	I have reported a bug related with the calendar	[15:51]
ricks99	how about eyes that follow the mouse around the screen... lol	[15:51]
luciash	chibaguy: neat idea	[15:52]
chibaguy	wow ricks99, I haven't seen those rolling eyes for a long time :-)	[15:53]
chealer	it's the second time the colors of the database upgrade needed tiki-admin warning change in a few days. the newest yellow background is not looking good	[15:53]
chibaguy	probably jonnyb's got a jquery version somewhere in lib ;-)	[15:53]
luciash	i would suggest open eye with a tick to indicate being watched and closed eye for not watched chealer: i guess more subtle (pale) yellow would do the trick	[15:53]
ricks99	ricks99 still thinks that theres diffrence between an icon (not to be clicable) and a button. ricks99 thinks maybe we're trying to make the eye do both	[15:54]
jonnyb	i tried a paler yellow - looked very weak	[15:54]
luciash	with combination of some red text ? in warning title ?	[15:54]
jonnyb	i guess it should just be white bg?	[15:55]
chibaguy	I think the default rbox warning colors should probably be overwritten by themes most of the time, really, if you want a good-looking page.	[15:55]
luciash	jonnyb: maybe, look for inspiration somewhere else jonnyb: i mean other web apps	[15:55]
chealer	luciash: sorry, in fact it's not really the background color, that was just the most striking part of the change. the main problem is that I can hardly distinguish the link to the installer there.	[15:56]
jonnyb	chealer - the small fix i made today should fix that, no?	[15:56]
chealer	jonnyb: maybe not, I'm at r22736 - but I didn't check I'm not using cached CSS	[15:57]
chibaguy	no reason why warning colors would be universal any more than normal link colors, etc. are. It all depends on what's appropriate for the theme's pallet IMO.	[15:58]
chealer	is there any way I can tell Firefox to really reload a page including its external references, without having to clear all the cache?	[15:58]
chibaguy	So design.css just provides the fallback default, I think.	[15:58]
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chealer	http://ido.ath.cx/dbwarning.png	[15:59]
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chealer	does the link to the installer there catch your (open) eye? it doesn't look like a cache issue konqueror renders it the same. there's something ugly about the border too	[16:00]
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chibaguy	the title border is missing the title needs some padding-right also and, right, the link doesn't stand out at all.	[16:05]
chealer	chibaguy: yes. or it could be like other boxes and have the title the same color as the content border, which is not ugly	[16:06]
chibaguy	right	[16:08]
chealer	luciash: hum. I think I fixed the upgrade check, but nothing is done when $tiki_needs_upgrade == 'y'	[16:08]
chibaguy	probably the link color should be specified, if the background color is specified, same as text color. can't assume contrast will be correct.	[16:09]
chealer	luciash: so now Tiki doesn't erroneously tell you it's up-to-date anymore - it just doesn't say anything AFAICS (talking about minor versions. it does tell about new major versions)	[16:09]
luciash	hmm :-/ better than before at least	[16:24]
chealer	yeah, though leaving this bug alone could leave it unnoticed for a good while I'm on something	[16:25]
	found it	[16:30]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22739 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX] syntax error in feature_version_checks check	[16:37]
SEWilco2	luciash: Right after talking about the watch icon's resemblance to bugs, suggesting a tick in the eye does not produce the mental image which you intended.	[16:38]
RavenC	3.2 to 3.3 upgrade: 3632 queries successful, 1 failed: ALTER TABLE `tiki_sefurl_regex_out` DROP KEY `left` Can't DROP 'left'; check that column/key exists	[16:39]
chibaguy	SEWilco2: there is still some work to do on that, I'd say. My son said "turtle with lots of legs carrying a box" when he say the closed eye and checkbox icon. when he saw	[16:40]
RavenC	Everything appears to running smoothly after.	[16:41]
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RavenC	^be	[16:41]
SEWilco2	chibaguy: Yup. Too bad it's not a good idea to steal the CBS icon. Not for legal reasons, but over confusion about nobody watching CBS.	[16:42]
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luciash	chibaguy: hehe	[16:45]
CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22740 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX] feature_version_checks controls whether version checks are done automatically, not whether outdated version warning show	[16:46]
luciash	other wikis use alternative icon a triedr iirc	[16:46]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r22741 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): - Added a SentenceAlignments class.	[17:05]
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Spacw	hi can i get help for smarty ?	[17:16]
sylvieg	the category picker in darkroom has strange colors now Spacw: do not ask to ask ask..	[17:27]
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RavenC	iframes = cool !!!	[17:38]
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ricks99	Q: when using VERSIONS plugin with wiki structures, how can i mantain the &version=foo when "paging" through the structure? Tiki seems to "forget" which version I'm viewing and displays the default	[17:59]
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ricks99	also notice the same issue when using print and wiki slideshow features :(	[18:03]
	ricks99 thinks im the only one using VERSIONS? maybe?	[18:17]
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almightybunghole	hi all i'm getting blank search results when I search for certain strings in tiki anyone seen that before?	[19:27]
coaboa_	is it the search box module or the site search bar?	[19:33]
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MacLeod	Is there a parameter to change the title of the menupage module? doc.tw.o indicates that it should be titled with the title of the page, but instead it just says "Menu"	[19:56]
SEWilco2	MacLeod: I think the Admin>Modules page lets you specify the title of each module. MacLeod: Although I don't know where the "title of the page" would appear.	[19:57]
MacLeod	SEWilco2: I don't see a parameter in Admin>Modules to set the title	[19:58]
SEWilco2	MacLeod: I was referring to the title which can be defined for any module. I don't know how menupage might try to display the title of the page.	[19:59]
MacLeod	SEWilco2: From doc.tw.o: "The module will have the same title as the wiki page." (this is v3.1 I'm talking about)	[19:59]
chealer	gah, what is wrong with tiki-adminusers.tpl in trunk? the compilation gives a parse error even after clearing the templates cache is it a Smarty bug?	[20:05]
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chealer	MacLeod: you can change it via the common title parameter. the bug is fixed for Tiki 4	[20:09]
MacLeod	bug? as in, the title parameter not working in that module?	[20:10]
chealer	MacLeod: the title parameter should work. but the title does not behave like it should, per the documentation	[20:12]
MacLeod	kthx	[20:12]
chealer	jonnyb: the bad link color comes from .warning a {[...] color:#333333 !important; } (design.css). that's pretty much black.	[20:16]
jonnyb	chealer: on the yellow background?	[20:16]
MacLeod	chealer: Worked-around: Edited template. :)	[20:17]
chealer	jonnyb: sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned the background earlier, the background is just what struck me in the change. the background isn't the problem, the normal text / link label contrast is.	[20:17]
jonnyb	contrast with what? sorry - don't follow	[20:19]
chealer	jonnyb: the link label's [lack of sufficient] contrast with normal text	[20:19]
jonnyb	do feel free to improve it :)	[20:21]
chealer	myeah, I know nothing about our CSS, I'd be afraid to move the problem somewhere else	[20:25]
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redflo	hi, anyone here that can tell me more about the new permission system in trunk?	[20:28]
sylvieg	hi redflo	[20:30]
redflo	or where i can read about it hi sylvieg!	[20:30]
sylvieg	did you read the comments at the top of lib/core/lib/Perms.php	[20:30]
redflo	some time ago, yes	[20:30]
sylvieg	and thre is a test of perms	[20:30]
redflo	but i have issues after svn up	[20:31]
sylvieg	otherwise you have to bother louis philippe	[20:31]
redflo	hehe	[20:31]
sylvieg	A known bug I am on since .. testing a perm on a user that is not you is not working but the perms code is hard...	[20:32]
redflo	i have issues that premissions on wiki pages have changed since svn up	[20:32]
sylvieg	should be ok ah thre is a batch if you use categ perm	[20:33]
redflo	hmm where? i used installer to update database and newly created pages get strange permissions too	[20:33]
sylvieg	dammit I do not remmber where i put it	[20:34]
redflo	i never allowed anonymous to read by default, but he can now ... and i don't know where this setting comes from probably code is not yet finished ... :-/	[20:35]
sylvieg	tests/upgrade_categperm.php	[20:35]
redflo	mompl - my kid	[20:36]
sylvieg	it is not in installer/schema because the script is probably incomplete ... and if I commit now - it will not be possible to run it again the script is not desctructite so you can use it	[20:36]
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chealer	redflo: you can see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Permission%20Cleanup, but permissions on uncategorized pages shouldn't have changed	[20:41]
almightybunghole	sorry wandered off for a bit there! its in the site search bar really wierd cos I can search for most things so far I've found the word "router" is no good or the acronym "ptr"	[20:42]
sylvieg	almightybunghole: if you have white page - it can be not enough emmory memory	[20:43]
almightybunghole	oh interesting you mean ram on the server?	[20:44]
sylvieg	memory in php.ini	[20:44]
almightybunghole	ah ok hang on I'll have a look	[20:44]
sylvieg	when you do tiki-phpinfo.php - waht is memory-limit?	[20:44]
almightybunghole	memory_limit 24M	[20:45]
sylvieg	can you change it .. it can be a little short	[20:46]
almightybunghole	yeah no probs. what's a good value?	[20:46]
sylvieg	the more the better .;-) I usually use 64M or 32M	[20:47]
almightybunghole	cool. and is restarting httpd enough for that to take effect? (have set 64M)	[20:48]
sylvieg	if you put it in php.ini - yes you need to restart the server	[20:48]
almightybunghole	yeah i did that, and can see 64M now on the phpinfo page however still getting blank pages for certain searches :-( I wonder is there a log that I should be checking?	[20:49]
sylvieg	check you php eroors turn on the error reporting in tw	[20:50]
almightybunghole	ok done that, just trying another search where will the error be logged?	[20:52]
sylvieg	in your server log if use tw - it is not log it is displayed on the screen	[20:52]
almightybunghole	I set it in admin - general (display all php errors) do I need to restart httpd again? no error	[20:52]
sylvieg	no with search do you use: tw? or mysql?	[20:53]
almightybunghole	i think i found something Oct 29 20:53:30 wiki setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing the httpd from using potentially mislabeled files (./f77f3b9c90a281cbf123578bfd2d72c3). For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l bef0a2d7-b402-4dff-8317-5517d91a4d9c	[20:53]
sylvieg	... You should probably change your config because all the files... are saves with a md5 name	[20:54]
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almightybunghole	erm you've lost me there anyway thanks for your help, have to go have some dinner now! i'm on the path so will track this one down all the best	[20:55]
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sylvieg	tw saves a couple of files with a name that looks like cbf123578bfd2d72c3	[20:56]
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sylvieg	when you have to go you to go (jurassic paark)	[20:57]
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redflo	OK, thanks chealer and sylvieg, its now more clear to me. but i guess the installer will have to help users to get that too.	[21:06]
sylvieg	did my script help? trying to find tester before committing at the right place testerS	[21:06]
redflo	i will try, but i think i have messed some of the permissions by hand until now. And i don't remember exactly how the perms were before. But it can't get worse.	[21:08]
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redflo	oops, just seen, that there are some more schema updates since last week - just try a svn update now and run installer .... brb	[21:11]
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redflo	hmm. sylvieg, your script did not help, but i think i know where part of my problem comes from. I have categories that have no perms applied and then the global perms are overwritten. and then nobody is allowed to see the pages.	[21:27]
sylvieg	it should not - if the categ has no perm - it will change nothing = and 2/ group perms coem before categ perms	[21:28]
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redflo	hmm.	[21:31]
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redflo	so categories can only give you more permissions? but object permissions reset the permissions?	[21:33]
sylvieg	0/ test perm like creator.... 1/ test group if perms apply here go out 2/ then if categ with perm, if so go out 3/ test general perm	[21:35]
redflo	so it has to be in 0/ redflo diving in code	[21:36]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 gives redflo a 7. The first flip was a little off-center, but little splash on entry.	[21:40]
chealer	redflo: no, categories override global permissions redflo: they're in turn overriden by object permissions	[21:42]
redflo	and object perms? direct attached permissions?	[21:42]
chealer	redflo: what do you mean? are direct attached permissions something different from object permissions?	[21:43]
marclaporte	marclaporte gives redflo a 7.5	[21:43]
redflo	no, just marketing ...	[21:43]
chealer	redflo: hum... what's your question?	[21:44]
marclaporte	marclaporte hopes redflo will resurface from dive, with some commits :-)	[21:44]
chealer	the permission system (permission libraries) doesn't deal with creators/owners	[21:45]
redflo	hey marc! I don't think so. I just want to understand code!	[21:45]
sylvieg	chealer: it is true - but lph began to put creator info in the lib	[21:45]
redflo	before svn up i could add a permission to ex. a wiki page so that a group can view the page -> object permission this should override all other i guess	[21:46]
sylvieg	yes	[21:47]
redflo	and probably it works slightly different now.	[21:47]
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redflo	probably permission checking stops if object perms exist and give you a true or false? i think it did not stop before new permission system am i right? i cannot say, because i did not find the code now where this happens ...	[21:48]
chealer	sylvieg: hum, interesting. how far has he gotten?	[21:50]
sylvieg	not to far... but soem hooks are here	[21:50]
chealer	redflo: if object permissions exist, category permissions and global permissions are ignored. that was always true.	[21:51]
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chealer	sylvieg: is it used/usable at all?	[21:51]
redflo	chealer: probably you're right ...	[21:53]
sylvieg	redflo : i just checked with a page with group perm, a page with categ perm a page with group+categ perm - seesm fine to me chealer is right	[21:54]
redflo	i just try to figure out why i cannot see some pages after svn up - just guessing around.	[21:55]
sylvieg	chealer: I do not know - still trying to understand why a user_has_perm with a user other than the log one is not working - waiting for lpgh help ah it is not see - not see to much ... does inheritence with registerd /anonymous has changed not to include anonymous in registerd anymore? must admit - I did not follow to much	[21:56]
chealer	sylvieg: OK. tell me if you learn more. supporting creators would be very interesting but AFAIK there is no support for now.	[21:58]
sylvieg	redflo: is it a simple problem with registerd	[21:58]
redflo	hmm. the page in question has object permissions for categories: tiki_p_view_categories and so on, but no wiki perms	[21:58]
sylvieg	perhaps you ahve to include anonymous inregistered	[21:59]
chealer	sylvieg: it shouldn't, except that it's now possible to remove Registered's inclusion in Anonymous	[21:59]
sylvieg	ok - I did not follow this one redflo has your categ tiki_p_view? (it is the purpose of my script)	[21:59]
redflo	no, categories have no perms	[22:00]
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sylvieg	so it is the pb explain 'the page in question has object permissions for categories' the page has categ or the page has group perm?	[22:00]
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redflo	the page name is in the list on tiki-list_object-permissions. and i can see about 10 permissions on the page all permissions ate tiki-category... permissions and all are granted to Registered probably the permissions on tiki-category... have changed in meaning probably this was bad designed in the past?	[22:02]
sylvieg	they change name - but not meaning..	[22:04]
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chealer	redflo: what do you mean by "all permissions ate tiki-category... permissions" ?	[22:06]
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redflo	tiki_p_admin_categories, tiki_p_search_categorized, tiki_p_view_categories, tiki_p_view_categorized and so on	[22:07]
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chealer	redflo: what about them?	[22:09]
redflo	oh, another guess: have there been permissions on structures?	[22:10]
CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22745 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Making the admin-gets-all-rights check dynamic and valid everywhere rather tikiwiki: than bind it at initialization for the current execution. Checking an other tikiwiki: group's permissions will behave correctly even when logged as an admin. tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22746 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Forgot to remove these exceptions that used to be required	[22:10]
DeathBadger	Does anyone know if version 4 is on schedule for release in 2 weeks?	[22:18]
marclaporte	DeathBadger: : yes, it will DeathBadger : only question is how stable it will be	[22:19]
DeathBadger	Very cool	[22:19]
marclaporte	I feel Tiki4 is more stable than Tiki3 two weeks before release	[22:19]
DeathBadger	Is the current pre-release fairly stable?	[22:20]
marclaporte	DeathBadger : wanna take it for a spin?	[22:20]
DeathBadger	You beat me to my question	[22:20]
marclaporte	depends on features you can get daily snapshot	[22:20]
DeathBadger	I do. I'm preparing to install a Wiki as our company Intranet	[22:20]
marclaporte	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/download#Pre_release_packages_zip_files_ Why did you choose Tiki?	[22:21]
DeathBadger	I'll grab a copy and give it a spin It has a lot of features and seems to work well It took me a while to get my bearings, there are so many features	[22:21]
marclaporte	DeathBadger : FYI about Tiki4 progress: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4	[22:22]
DeathBadger	I really want the new feature in 4 that allows me to attach images per page and show them on that page	[22:22]
marclaporte	You can do that in Tiki3, no?	[22:23]
DeathBadger	I want to do a lot of "how-to" pages with embedded screen shots	[22:23]
marclaporte	I think main change is easier UI, but should work in Tiki3 (unless I misunderstand the feature)	[22:23]
DeathBadger	Maybe I can. The problem I have is each howto has a "screen1.jpg", "screen2.jpg", etc	[22:23]
marclaporte	ah	[22:24]
DeathBadger	I can create a gallery and link to the images in the galleries, but I like being able to attach images to the page itself - it's easier to create a page (I think) and I don't have to worry about image file name collisions I have looked at a lot of wiki software and not many support this I'll give the pre-release a spin this evening, thanks for the feedback	[22:24]
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marclaporte	DeathBadger : if you store images in file gallery, they will have IDs	[22:28]
sylvieg	seems lph committed for my problem	[22:28]
marclaporte	synchronicity?	[22:29]
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sylvieg	still nto working :-( this perms are hard to clean...	[22:30]
redflo	you telll it! but overall a good job as far as i see	[22:31]
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CIA-31	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22747 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: notice	[22:35]
sylvieg	sylvieg begins to think she need to move to another opensource - dammit the perms lib is so complicated	[22:39]
chealer	sylvieg: do you mean you found something undocumented in Tiki?	[22:44]
sylvieg	:-) yes why there is a group attribute in Perms calss and accessor class what is the difference.. when you do strict object programming - it needs to be clean	[22:44]
redflo	redflo thinks he has to read the GOF book - now	[22:46]
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marclaporte	sylvieg: you mean hard to clean, as in deploy everywhere?	[22:59]
sylvieg	hard to fix	[23:03]
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redflo	All my issues are gone now by deleting contents of users_objectpermissions. But this is special, because we messed permissions some time ago. But i'm sure permission checking has changed. It will be one issue for all that update from tiki 3. But: i'm sure it is clearer now how permissions apply.	[23:09]
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sylvieg	redflo do you have db dumps - it will great to lok at them - because 4 will be a big step (perms - tracker...)	[23:17]
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redflo	sylvieg: i'll try to get dumps. I'll try to set up a test case.	[23:22]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Assign menu to specific group of articles - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35075	[23:22]
redflo	but now i go to bed .. cya soon flo sry wanted to say n8 :-)	[23:22]
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luciash	jonnyb: hi, ColorBox 1.3.2 released. Ajax/HTML img element preloading, innerWidth & innerHeight options, minor bug fixes. See: http://bit.ly/nugo9	[23:55]
jonnyb	no resize? :(	[23:55]
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luciash	no resize still, it seems just noticed it via RSS feed of http://twitter.com/jacklmoore	[23:56]
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