#tikiwiki 2009-11-03,Tue

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cheal	unable to login to doc.tw.o	[00:41]
luciash	oh, is it back ?	[00:41]
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cheal	luciash: yes, but it took a while to get a page at first	[00:50]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22802 10/trunk/ (26 files in 10 dirs): [KIL] Remove Workspace-Helper related files, as explained at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/14261 Hope it is completed and added to Tiki5 or Tiki4.1 Workspace withouth helper, are working fine	[00:54]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22804 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] making the newly added minify feature be default off, until it's more vastly tested. Moving the other minify feature next to it, as a reminder than it may disappear in the future	[02:28]
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ibrrorg	I just loaded ur tiki and love it! I have a ? and can’t find an answer anywhere. I loaded the collaborative community and want to change the ‘Our Community Log in learn and share’ heading. My other ? is I can’t seem to find a page that has templates (I need one for the 50 states like on Wikimedia as my site deals with states and I don’t want a huge TOC). Thanx for all ya’ll do!	[02:47]
marclaporte	ibrrorg: our profile expert will come online	[02:48]
ibrrorg	thanx	[02:48]
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marclaporte	here he is	[02:48]
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pascalstjean	hi iborrog: to answer your first question. In order to change the header and title of your website you can go to tiki-admin.php?page=general of your website. Or if you can navigate on the left hand menu. Scroll all the way down until you see Admin Home. Then click on the first Big Square that says General	[02:54]
ibrrorg	my sitename is changed this is the words "Our Community Log in, Learn, Share" it is under where I put my logo and appeared after I loaded the collaborative community profile. I changed it in the areas provided, but it didn't end up changing it	[02:56]
chibaguytoo	ibrrorg, go to tiki-admin.php?page=look (Look and Feel admin page).	[02:56]
pascalstjean	as for your second question. could you elaborate a bit more. I am not very familiar with mediaWiki templates. In Tiki I know our Content Templates don't mean the same thing	[02:56]
ibrrorg	thanx!	[02:57]
chibaguytoo	ibrrorg, you mean you need a way to link to pages for the 50 states?	[02:58]
ibrrorg	yeah see the normal TOC will occur when you start to add headings and can be removed by __NOTOC__ when you have a bunch of 'headings' you end up w/a huge TOC yes a template allows one to hyperlink the name of the state down the page to where it appears	[02:58]
chibaguytoo	How does the wikimedia template work (avoid the long list)?	[02:59]
ibrrorg	i'll show the link in a second	[03:00]
pascalstjean	thanks btw thank you chibaguytoo, those variables are in Look and Feel	[03:00]
ibrrorg	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TOC_US_states_2 see i took the coding/script or whatever and put it in a template and used it	[03:00]
pascalstjean	ibrrorg: quick question, did you install the profile directly from the Tiki Installer. Or post installation?	[03:01]
ibrrorg	i used my cpanel softolocous (sp?) program, run 3.1 tiki i had to use the installer and enter in some db codes	[03:01]
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chibaguytoo	Hm, the wikipedia page appears to be just a list of links, but displayed inline rather than vertically.	[03:02]
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ibrrorg	yeah it simply allows one to say have 50 states listed in horizontal lines and then link lower in the page to them thats what i want to do sorry to take up so much time	[03:03]
pascalstjean	could be done in Tiki using the Include Plugin	[03:03]
chibaguy	no problem	[03:03]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22805 10/trunk/doc/devtools/release.php: [DOC] doc link	[03:04]
ibrrorg	ok ill go and read up on the stuff ya'll have cited to me and then touch base tomorrow have a good one!	[03:04]
pascalstjean	you can create a wiki page with the content that you wish to reuse in another. Then use the following plugin to insert that page. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginInclude&structure=Documentation	[03:05]
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pascalstjean	glad to hear you enjoy the Profiles. We are acutally working hard on them now to make them even better. if you have feedback please feel free to let us know :)	[03:05]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22807 10/branches/4.x/tests/test_cvs_file.txt: test	[04:29]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22808 10/trunk/lib/calendar/tikicalendarlib.php: [FIX] assigning value by reference tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22809 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] undefined editable, galleryId, description notices tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22810 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: presumably fix broken logic on universaleditbutton.org button display check	[04:31]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22811 10/branches/4.0/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 22810	[04:55]
chibaguy	So now what is the relationship between branch 4.0 and proposed branch? changes for tiki 4.0 should be committed to proposed, and then the quality team commits them to branch 4.0?	[04:59]
marclaporte	chibaguy: I am not sure yet	[05:02]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22812 10/branches/4.0/tests/test_cvs_file.txt: test	[05:03]
chibaguy	seems like now trunk is for tiki 5 commits, but maybe people shouldn't commit directly to branch 4.0; proposed should be in between as for 3.0. so proposed needs to be the same as branch 4.0, to start with cleaning the branch for release. (but the experts will know :-) )	[05:04]
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chealer	chibaguy: right. but we can run branch 4 without approval for a while	[05:09]
chibaguy	ok so commit changes (fixes, etc.) to branch 4.0? Then they will get backported to trunk?	[05:09]
chealer	chibaguy: or forward-ported. that's apparently what most people prefer	[05:13]
chibaguy	which means, commit the changes to trunk?	[05:13]
luciash	luciash will continue commit to trunk and backport fixes to branch4	[05:14]
chibaguy	does that mean committing to trunk and also to branch 4?	[05:15]
luciash	yep, how would you do that without commiting ?	[05:17]
chibaguy	heh I mean you do both commits yourself; there's no porting by quality team or anyone else.	[05:17]
luciash	is the 4.0 just for test ?	[05:20]
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chibaguy	I guess marclaporte knows. I assumed it was the new branch.	[05:21]
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luciash	yes... i mean it depends on developer who ports if he wants it released in 4 or later (it doesn't have to be dev who originally commits that to trunk)	[05:22]
chibaguy	ok	[05:22]
luciash	quality team can decide to reject	[05:22]
chibaguy	right	[05:22]
luciash	but doesn't have to approve	[05:23]
marclaporte	so....	[05:23]
luciash	well, that was my idea about it	[05:23]
marclaporte	there was a 4.x for testing but merge from 4.x to trunk wasn't working	[05:24]
luciash	we want 4 too for testing ;)	[05:24]
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luciash	no, seriously, if 4 works me, sylvie and everybody would prefer that than 4.0	[05:24]
marclaporte	We assumed merge script was choking on branch name but both 4.x and 4.0 are causing issues	[05:25]
luciash	is it the same ?	[05:25]
marclaporte	so it's unlikely the name makes a difference	[05:25]
luciash	ok, so lets go with 4.x and fix that later	[05:26]
marclaporte	luciash: that is my feeling	[05:27]
	perhaps name does make a difference, but script needs work anyway	[05:33]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22813 10/branches/4.0/: [KIL] deleting test branch tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22814 10/branches/4.x/: [KIL] deleting test branch	[05:39]
luciash	wow, we got snow outside again this morning :-p	[05:52]
chibaguy	heh, daytime temperature here dropped from 20C to 15C and we're all shivering. Don't want to think about anything colder. :-)	[05:56]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22815 10/branches/4.x/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 22810	[05:58]
chibaguy	I wonder if tikiwiki/PHPLENS_COM/ can be deleted (4 years old). Or should it be kept for some reason? (in the svn repository)	[06:01]
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luciash	never heard about it	[06:05]
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marclaporte	ok, everyone the countown is started countdown	[06:07]
luciash	marclaporte: thank you marclaporte: for managing it out ;)	[06:08]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22816 10/branches/4.x/tests/testfile.txt: [TEST] test commit on 4x	[06:11]
marclaporte	tks luciash 1am here so we close up Tikifest for today	[06:11]
luciash	7am here :-p	[06:11]
marclaporte	other timezones can take over	[06:11]
luciash	i will go to bed soon too i guess ;)	[06:12]
marclaporte	:-)	[06:13]
chibaguy	hm, 3:30pm here so could have a siesta, I guess. :-) but probably should get some work done instead	[06:13]
luciash	g	[06:14]
marclaporte	over & out	[06:16]
luciash	bye luciash too	[06:17]
chibaguy	cya later	[06:18]
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changi\|work	could someone go to http://www.doc.tikiwiki.org and explain me why it does not work properly	[10:02]
luciash	changi\|work: because you use www. before doc. we never used that before you should put a redirect in .htaccess to disallow that and redirect every request to ^www.doc. to doc. changi\|work: does this explain it to you ?	[10:09]
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changi\|work	hum ok luciash www.doc.two is a Tiki4 vbersion of tiki	[10:28]
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changi\|work	people who have a account on doc.two please test www.doc.tikiwiki.org	[10:34]
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chibaguy	changi\|work: some wiki syntax isn't parsed: on http://www.doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki3, {img}, {iframe} {remarksbox}, etc. syntax just displays instead.	[11:01]
	Also, I wonder what happened to the "ui enhancement" tab of admin features. In particular, how to turn on CSS menus. I don't see it in other trunk installs either. at www.doc.tw.o, L&F UL Effects has "Warning Requires jquery feature" warning box, but jquery is already on by default, right? Superfish doesn't seem to be used, though it's turned on.	[11:07]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy - the ui tab on l&f is still there, just renamed i thought	[11:12]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb	[11:12]
jonnyb	oh i see - no menus checkboxes, yes - i had a struggle finding them last time! aha! it's on admin/general/navigation (they are navigation things, i guess!)	[11:12]
chibaguy	changi\|work: btw, at at www.doc.tw.o, I turned on tabs and shadowbox, but they didn't become effective. I went back and found the boxes unchecked. oh, yeah, jonnyb, I see them now.	[11:15]
luciash	changi\|work: ah, ok :-p that was confusing to me	[11:18]
jonnyb	i really wanted to add a thing to the admin search feature that tells you where to find the stuff next time... ah well, another thing for 4.1 i guess polom luciash	[11:18]
luciash	hi jonnyb	[11:18]
chibaguy	Seems like Admin General Navigation Menus maybe should be on Admin Look and Feel Same for Admin General Site Identity (sort of thinking, the fewer things on Admin General, the better, if they have "Admin Specific" alternatives.	[11:21]
jonnyb	seems fair chibaguy (if you fancy doing it! ;0 )	[11:30]
chibaguy	Seems like other people might have a different opinion. I recall discussions about location of browser title admin, before.	[11:32]
changi\|work	did someone know how to activate the picture reflection effect ?	[11:34]
chibaguy	changi\|work: it's activated already. There's some problem with admin settings not being used. (tabs, superfish, reflection, some wiki syntax tags...) Maybe a problem with minified javascript?	[11:35]
jonnyb	i just enabled tiki_minify_javascript and reflection still works... and supersuckers :) mind you... the js isn't minified	[11:42]
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chibaguy	at www.doc.tw.o?	[11:50]
jonnyb	no sorry - my local	[11:50]
chibaguy	ah, ok. mine is ok there too. but not at www.doc.tw.o. comparing the page source, I saw <script type="text/javascript" src="temp/public/minified_b1c0f2e0fcf109785dd211b80acb240e.js"></script> whereas I have a paragraph of js links instead, so just assumed.	[11:50]
jonnyb	still trying to catch up... i'll get there eventually :)	[11:52]
changi\|work	should i purge this folder "temp/public"?	[11:54]
chibaguy	maybe so	[11:55]
changi\|work	doesn't change anything	[11:56]
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chibaguy	I guess there's no admin interface yet for minimizing javascript? I don't see where to turn on\|off.	[12:24]
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jonnyb	on admin performance, chibaguy	[12:54]
chibaguy	thanks ok, at www.doc.tw.o I turned off both Minify javascript and Use Minified Scripts, and now superfish, tabs, reflection (at least) work. Turned them back on, and those things are still working. So maybe js had to be minified again ? I have no idea how the minifying is applied, etc. But no sign of reflection or superfish when I check with srware iron (like google chrome). and {img} tags still aren't parsed. (or others) (I was using Opera.)	[12:54]
jonnyb	i think the idea of the new minify thing is to do it on the fly, and cache the minified results (in temp/public i think) but still haven't managed to read the new code (svn merge fun for me today! :) )	[13:06]
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chibaguy	js seems fairly messed up at www.doc.tw.o. The column hide\|show links don't work. Superfish isn't working for Firefox, tho it is for Opera. Pages load pretty fast though. ;-)	[13:13]
marclaporte	LOL could be the minified thing	[13:17]
chibaguy	seems to be but the img tags, etc. not being parsed may be something else. well, are something else. there's a huge improvement when minify is used, though, in terms of number of server requests and total transfer size. so it'll be great when the bugs are ironed out.	[13:20]
marclaporte	huge improvement in speed?	[13:25]
chibaguy	yeah, just comparing roughly www.doc.tw.o with minify on, and my localhost trunk with minify off - looking with firebug.	[13:30]
marclaporte	great! if we have on the fly minify, the old setting to minify may no longer be needed?	[13:33]
chibaguy	I image not, but am no expert.	[13:36]
jonnyb	polom marclaporte i'm fighting with the branch merge thing, but will gladly stop if someone else who understands it wants to have a go :)	[13:38]
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marclaporte	hi Kimberlee! marclaporte misses Nyloth & mose	[13:40]
Kimberlee	hiya Marc. :)	[13:41]
marclaporte	branching & scripting kings they are jonnyb : you are trying to fix merge from 4.x to trunk?	[13:41]
jonnyb	i just doid a manual merge and all it found was a load of stupid property stuff (not your test commit) yup the trouble is it takes 30 minutes to make each mistake!	[13:41]
Kimberlee	question - besides setting the upload_max_filesize is there any files size limitations in the file gallery?	[13:45]
ricks99	embeeded context ads on tw.o? !yuck!	[13:45]
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marclaporte	ads?	[13:50]
ricks99	i see embeeded links all over tw.o sites odd... gone now... i was seeing double underlined embeedd link ads	[13:51]
jonnyb	hey lphuberdeau - you know about this svn merging thing	[13:53]
lphuberdeau	most of what there is to know	[13:53]
jonnyb	i'm getting loads of prop changes - the usual suspects (lib/test ones) - is there any way of getting rid of them?	[13:54]
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jonnyb	at the moment my plan is to do an initial merge by hand from 4.x to trunk, as the script seems to be saying it can't do the first one	[13:55]
marclaporte	ah	[13:55]
jonnyb	there is one real difference in tests/testfile.txt, but i'm only getting the bogus property stuff	[13:55]
marclaporte	ricks99 : maybe your browser?	[13:56]
lphuberdeau	was it upgraded to handle the 4.x branch name? I suspect the regular expressions in there are fairly strict	[13:56]
jonnyb	i think my time would be better spent fixing bugs...	[13:56]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau : no	[13:56]
jonnyb	yes, i changed svn tools is_stable to suit	[13:56]
marclaporte	with 4.0 or 4.x, it would not work either way	[13:56]
jonnyb	r22638 but i suspect there's more to do!	[13:57]
lphuberdeau	I would just remove that stupid test folder on both sides completely useless	[13:57]
jonnyb	great! kil kil kil!!!! (except it looks like there has been lots of "work" in there)	[13:58]
SEWilco2	kil kil? I think I saw that movie.	[13:58]
jonnyb	:) having stepped through the svnbranchupdadte script it looks like it really has to find something in find_last_merge() to work, is that right? (seems "odd")	[13:58]
	i think i'll remove all the mergeinfo props from trunk - surely that shouldn't be in there? (just in the branches, right?) lphuberdeau: at the moment i'm testing having replaced line 37 of svnbranchupdate.php from "error( "Could not find previous merge. Impossible to merge automatically." );" to $last=0; - does that sound like A Good Thing?	[14:07]
chibaguy	fresh install of branch 4x results in system error "Table '4xg.tiki_pages' doesn't exist The query was: select tp.* from `tiki_pages` as tp order by `pageName` desc" . Is this expected at this point? (database name is "4xg".)	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	those scripts don't use the svn merge props they were written before svn added those	[14:12]
jonnyb	lphuberdeau: good - but they keep merging them back in (and out)	[14:13]
lphuberdeau	and because they are done client side, we can't rely on everyone having svn 1.5 anyway	[14:13]
jonnyb	chibaguy: i had a tiki_pages missing thing on trunk the other day - trying to remember why...	[14:13]
lphuberdeau	the script looks for the previous commit by matching the commit message finding nothing is a problem	[14:13]
jonnyb	oh yes, i'd set the database to use ucs-8 encoding, instead of utf-8 (don't even know what usc is!) lphuberdeau: finding nothing means it's the first merge, no?	[14:14]
lphuberdeau	The branching commit message has a specific format too	[14:14]
jonnyb	yes, spotted that this was why i was going to fake one the script just ran - doing $last=0 instead of error() - checking... hmmm - it did nothing :(	[14:15]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22817 10/trunk/ (lib/categories/categlib.php tiki-approve_staging_page.php): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. This is the integral file from mozilla. No significant changes were made on the tiki side since 1.10.	[14:17]
lphuberdeau	well, you can do it manually and just write the commit message as it should be those scripts don't do magic	[14:17]
jonnyb	having a go at that (manually == every year!)	[14:18]
lphuberdeau	just avoid the tedious manual task of checking logs	[14:18]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22818 10/trunk/tests/testfile.txt: [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 0 to 22816	[14:19]
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chibaguy	tiki_pages table wasn't created because " Column 'pageName' cannot be part of FULLTEXT index". I got 13 errors similar to this doing the fresh install of branch 4.	[14:59]
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jonnyb	chibaguy: did you see my msg about the encoding? i think it got swamped in svn stuff (previously) chibaguy: i had a tiki_pages missing thing on trunk the other day - trying to remember why... oh yes, i'd set the database to use ucs-8 encoding, instead of utf-8 (don't even know what usc is!)	[15:04]
chibaguy	oh ok. now I see.	[15:06]
jonnyb	so that sounds like it's a FULLTEXT thing of some sort	[15:06]
chibaguy	damn, I did the same thing. ucs2_general_ci :-)	[15:07]
jonnyb	i wonder what it is (apart from your bedtime! ;) )	[15:07]
chibaguy	hm, 3-letter acronym starting with u - must be the one. ;-) or abbreviation made a new table with the right encoding and this time no errors :-)	[15:08]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22820 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX]TRACKERFILTER: force to test on the upper value	[15:22]
chibaguy	er, i mean a new db.	[15:23]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22821 10/branches/4.x/ (52 files in 21 dirs): [SVN] Removing old mergeinfo props for cleaner merging in future	[15:23]
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sylvieg	hello is the merging problem fixed?	[15:28]
jonnyb	i hope so - just running it now sign... it's doing all the props mergeinfo again :( obviously have to remove them from trunk (i think?) sign=sigh	[15:28]
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jonnyb	here goes...	[15:37]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22822 10/trunk/ (55 files in 23 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 22816 to 22821	[15:38]
ricks99	has anyone tried to combine the mod-translation & mod-switchlang? i'd like to be able to show all language options in a single module	[15:40]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22823 10/branches/4.x/tests/testfile.txt: [TEST] 3rd test commit after 2nd (1st proper automatic) merge	[15:42]
chibaguy	In my localhost branch 4, minify javascript seems to work fine - superfish, column hide/show, etc. work normally. oops. it's not minifying. Maybe due to being a wamp server, even though minify javascript is turned on, firebug shows the js scripts aren't minified.	[15:43]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22824 10/branches/4.x/lib/test/core/WikiParser/: [SVN] Removing old mergeinfo props for cleaner merging in future (missed one) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22825 10/trunk/ (. lib/test/core/WikiParser/ tests/testfile.txt): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 22821 to 22823	[15:47]
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chibaguy	ah, I see a minified js does get made, but there are a lot of other .js files also - jquery, superfish, etc. That doesn't seem right.	[15:52]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22826 10/trunk/: [SVN] Added svn-commit.tmp to svn:ignore tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22827 10/branches/4.x/temp/public/: [SVN] Ignore minified script cache	[15:53]
ricks99	ward22cat oops wrong channel :(	[15:56]
yonixxx	:) hi Rick	[15:57]
ricks99	hi yonixxx	[15:57]
yonixxx	hope you are doing ok	[15:58]
ricks99	yes, thanks. and u too	[15:58]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22828 10/branches/4.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [bp/ r 22820][FIX]TRACKERFILTER: force to test on the upper value	[16:04]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22830 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Add a switch to prevent the creation of pages containing bad characters. tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22831 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [MOD]lesser magic: radio prefs (todo: hide the child when switching)	[16:34]
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nkoth	jonnyb:	[16:36]
jonnyb	hi nkoth	[16:37]
nkoth	hi, yesterday i was testing out the category perms	[16:37]
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nkoth	and sometimes a "Remove button" appears what does "Remove" mean?	[16:37]
jonnyb	remove should appear when there are some perms to remove	[16:38]
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jonnyb	means delete really i suppose	[16:38]
nkoth	delete?	[16:38]
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nkoth	so if I have assigned some, and I uncheck and assign again, it removes.	[16:39]
jonnyb	perms are rows in the user_xxxxperm tables - removing them means deleting those rows yup	[16:39]
nkoth	so why is there a need for a "Remove" button? (isn't assign enough?)	[16:39]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22832 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [ENH] Change the message if the prevent switch is on	[16:40]
jonnyb	you don't have to click it :)	[16:40]
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sylvieg	in which table are kept the installer/schema that have been run?	[16:42]
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jonnyb	tiki_schema or something i think sylvieg	[16:43]
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sylvieg	thx jonnyb	[16:43]
pascalstjean	BigBlueButton has been rebooted. We are broadcasting with sound today	[16:44]
nkoth	jonnyb: if I click remove, it's supposed to remove which perms? All?	[16:45]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22833 10/branches/4.x/installer/schema/20091103_upgrade_categperm_tiki.php: [FIX] officially move the categ perm upgrade script to the installer ... better than nothing	[16:45]
jonnyb	all perms on the current object it doesn't (shouldn't) appear on global perms	[16:45]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22834 10/branches/4.x/tests/upgrade_categperm.php: moved	[16:46]
yonixxx	In "Image Gallery" i can't find a way on TW3 to move an image from a gallery to another gallery... That looks trivial so i guess i miss something...	[16:47]
marclaporte	yay for Radio buttons in dynamic prefs!	[16:48]
chibaguy	hi yonixxx	[16:50]
yonixxx	Hi hi hi ! :D	[16:50]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : for your last commit, $tiki_p_admin check doesn't seem needed?	[16:50]
yonixxx	or Ay Ay Ay Chibaguy	[16:51]
chibaguy	at a url like tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=43, I get a dropdown selector "Move image:" :-)	[16:51]
nkoth	jonnyb: so "Remove Category Perms Set" might be a better label I think, but it's a mouthful or maybe we can add that to the tooltip	[16:54]
chibaguy	yonixxx, do you see it? - down below the image in that table of image information.	[16:57]
yonixxx	lol chibaguy !!! If i browse an image, i have an option (as admin) to move it (the one you just point to me). If i edit an image... i don;t have that option. i guess as small tuning should be good :D	[16:57]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22835 10/branches/4.x/installer/schema/20091103_upgrade_categperm_tiki.php: oops- no need to check perms in installer	[16:58]
chibaguy	ah well, i believe the plan is to use file galleries also for images, and phase out image galleries. So you could check the procedure for moving files, there, maybe.	[16:58]
sylvieg	I have no idea how a php script must be writen for the isntaller	[17:03]
chealer	polom	[17:06]
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chealer	ahah, doc.tw.o fixed (logins)	[17:10]
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chealer	Kimberlee: yes, see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Gallery+Config&structure=Documentation (post_max_size)	[17:12]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22836 10/branches/4.x/installer/schema/20091103_upgrade_categperm_tiki.php: oops again - a php installer script is a php but a function tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22837 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Cleaning up misplaced hints.	[17:13]
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marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : about "Unless a significant amount of preferences are documented and use dynamic preferences before the 4.0 release, this search feature will become disabled by default." we did good progress, but I don't have a count (or an easy way to count). What do you think we should do?	[17:14]
lphuberdeau	disable the search by defaults. All those descriptions are too poor to help searching when there are descriptions at all	[17:15]
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Torsten_	hello I would have a question or two, relating to format tikiwikilinks am I right in this chatroom?	[17:31]
chibaguy	Torsten_: yes, this is the right place.	[17:33]
Torsten_	cool	[17:33]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22838 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to disable the reply title for forum threads.	[17:34]
Torsten_	I would like to format a wikilink, that opens in a new Tab, or a new Window of the browser	[17:34]
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Torsten_	what is the syntax for that	[17:35]
chibaguy	hm, I don't know if that's possible with normal wiki links. But you could use the external link syntax, and set the preference to open external links in a new window.	[17:36]
Torsten_	set it in tiki or in the browser?	[17:36]
chibaguy	in tiki	[17:36]
Torsten_	where?	[17:37]
chibaguy	On tiki-admin.php?page=textarea, "Open external links in new window." Then wiki links need to have the [http://www.example.com/Pagename\|Pagename] format. I don't know if shortening it to [Pagename] will work.	[17:39]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22839 10/branches/4.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]admin group: pagination	[17:43]
chibaguy	But maybe even with the external link format, if the link isn't really external, maybe Tiki won't apply the open-in-new-window rule. You'll have to test it.	[17:44]
Torsten_	thx	[17:44]
chibaguy	An alternative would be to use html and use the target=_blank, I guess.	[17:44]
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chibaguy	well, I just tested and [http://www.mysite.com/MyOtherPage\|MyOtherPage] doesn't open in a new window even with its external link syntax, and pref set to open external links in a new window. Can't fool Tiki, I guess.	[17:49]
Torsten_	hmm	[17:49]
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Torsten_	any other option?	[17:49]
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chibaguy	Do you want every link in your wiki to open in a new window?	[17:50]
Torsten_	not necessarily -> I need "not every link open in the same window" would need it optional I guess every link open in a new tab / window would be worse I guess	[17:50]
chibaguy	You can use the HTML plugin and then use standard HTML syntax to open in a new window, but would be extra trouble to input each time.	[17:52]
Torsten_	I use tiki for an intranet an would like sometimes to use headers as links itself and then I´d need "open in new tab" would I have to upload / install the plugin (I have tiki 2.2 at the moment ... will probably get 3.2 in a while)	[17:52]
chibaguy	I don't know if the plugin will work in 2.2. probably not.	[17:54]
Torsten_	and ... I am a fool in html ... means I do not "speak" html ;-) What would the situation with the plugin be in 3.2?	[17:54]
chibaguy	I don't think there's a simple solution.	[17:54]
Torsten_	hm. But there would be a solution at all? I could take it down to a lower priority, once I know some point, where to find the solution	[17:55]
chibaguy	In 3.2, you could put standard HTML link syntax inside an {HTML()} plugin.	[17:56]
Torsten_	perhabs I could give somebody the job to find it out, once the project went some further Ah, that would be a plugin : {HTML()} ?	[17:56]
nkoth	sylvieg:	[17:57]
sylvieg	yes	[17:57]
chibaguy	{HTML()}<a href=http://sitename.comrdblquote target="_blank">Link text here</a>{HTML}	[17:57]
marclaporte	changi\|home : changi\|work how is doc.tw.o surviving Tiki4 upgrade?	[17:57]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03dexl_2000 * r22840 10/branches/4.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [MOD] removed the profile selection and wording on the 5th installation process.	[17:57]
nkoth	sylvieg: when you looked at sumo polls, did you see how tiki will support multiple polls per page?	[17:57]
Torsten_	once I know, there would not be an easy solution in 2.2, but it would be quite easy in 3.2, I would decide to wait for the 3.2	[17:58]
sylvieg	Yes it needed a rewritting to be generic - I did the specif - but did not go further if lph or other wants my note...	[17:58]
chibaguy	Let me try that again: {HTML()}<a href="http://mysite.com/WikiPageName" target="_blank">WikiPageName</a>{HTML}	[17:59]
nkoth	sylvieg: so can I tell lph this is to be upstream and ask you for your note?	[17:59]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22841 10/branches/4.x/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Make searching in admin panels an option, off by default and experimental. We made great progress here and will continue for Tiki5. http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Dynamic+Preferences	[17:59]
sylvieg	yes - even if lph will probably redo the stuff ;-)	[18:00]
Torsten_	chibaguy: WARNING: No such module HTML! <a href=HomePage target="_blank">zurück nach Hause</a> chibaguy: what might be the problem on that?	[18:01]
chealer	sylvieg: the result with upgrade categperms looks good - thank you	[18:02]
sylvieg	it is probable incomplete .. butbetter than nothing	[18:03]
chibaguy	Torsten_: Are you using Tiki 3?	[18:04]
chealer	Torsten_: HTML is a plugin, not a module	[18:04]
Torsten_	chibaguy: tiki 2.2	[18:04]
chibaguy	HTML plugin isn't available in tiki 2.2, only 3 and later	[18:05]
Torsten_	chealer: probably I didn´t yet understand what a tiki-plugin is at all ??	[18:05]
chibaguy	(IIRC)	[18:05]
Torsten_	ahh chealer: chibaguy told me the reason	[18:05]
chealer	Torsten_: a plugin is an extension to "Wiki syntax"	[18:05]
chibaguy	another option is to turn on HTML generally, then you can use the HTML syntax to open in a new window. Since you are using on an intranet, so a trusted environment.	[18:06]
Torsten_	chealer: like an extra code, but I would not install it? are those plugins included out of the box? or can I extend the number of plugins?	[18:06]
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Torsten_	chi chibaguy: am on that right now	[18:07]
chealer	Torsten_: plugins are included, not necessarily enabled. you can create new plugins.	[18:07]
chibaguy	sorry, I have to go now (3am here).	[18:08]
Torsten_	chealer: aha ... but creation might be some step further ... I am a beginner ;-) chibaguy: thx very much for your help	[18:08]
chibaguy	sure, see you later.	[18:08]
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Torsten_	chealer: you helped me aswell, thx - have to go now by myself	[18:09]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22842 10/branches/4.x/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [MOD] duplicating Dynamic Content checkbox to main feature admin panel, because people also tend to think it will be here.	[18:09]
chealer	Torsten_: it's a pleasure if that helped	[18:09]
Torsten_	by chealer	[18:09]
chealer	bye	[18:09]
Torsten_	;-)	[18:09]
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marclaporte	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Version+lifecycle -> please read	[18:28]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nagendra016 * r22845 10/trunk/db/ (5 files): [FIX]Broken Kaltura upload link on clean install	[19:04]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22846 10/branches/4.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NEW]TRACKERLIST: new param showpagination	[19:09]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22847 10/trunk/ (14 files in 9 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 22823 to 22846	[19:20]
luciash	sylvieg: is the new param meant as option for the max param ? to display or not the pagination when using max limit ?	[19:25]
marclaporte	sylvieg or anyone: if people fix things in trunk (by accident), can that be backported to 4x without risk? Or it will be double commited from 4.x to trunk again? ex.: r22846 oups r22845 /trunk/db/ (5 files): [FIX]Broken Kaltura upload link on clean install	[19:32]
jonnyb	marclaporte: it should be ok - svn's not _that_ bad! i was chatting with nagendra earlier but he gone now	[19:33]
marclaporte	ok	[19:34]
jonnyb	at worst it'll be a phantom conflict	[19:34]
marclaporte	sounds fun	[19:34]
jonnyb	oh yes, they're fantastic!! mind you, after the past few days rebuilding alcns.net i'm looking forward to some tiki i'll do r 22845	[19:34]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22848 10/branches/4.x/db/ (4 files): tikiwiki: [bp / r22845] [FIX]Broken Kaltura upload link on clean install tikiwiki: (and convertsqls)	[19:41]
luciash	jonny for a backporter ! ;)	[19:41]
jonnyb	hey, i got the GSoC t-shirt, so seems fair!	[19:44]
luciash	and google wave invitation ;)	[19:44]
jonnyb	yes but i think i lost it... too many mails from that list	[19:45]
luciash	i see only régis catched it ;)	[19:45]
lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau got one too	[19:47]
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luciash	lphuberdeau: ah, congrats :) so i suppose you're in touch already with régis there	[19:47]
lphuberdeau	yeah, we planned a pub crawl for jonny in there	[19:48]
jonnyb	think it might be a bit cold for t-shirts?	[19:52]
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ibrrorg	I am attempting to configure the Maps. The config page asks me to enter files that I don’t understand such as full path to mapfiles, default mapfile, full path to gdaltindex and ull path to ogr2ogr. I have the google maps setup and the Maps folder on my server only has an index.php. Where can I read what files to add/create and then where can I read on how to start deploying the maps in a page? Thanx! this is the doc page for configs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Maps+Config	[21:01]
luciash	iirc Map feature doesn't use Google Maps but requires own map server installation try to use Google Maps feature instead (if any)	[21:02]
ibrrorg	is there a page that will show me how to deploy a map in a page? right now when i click the usermap in the toolbar there's no way to create an independent area so to speak---i geuss i'm asking what is the 'code/script' i type in to display the map in a page i am a hobo (freight hopper here in the States and maps are critical. would it be worth my while to attempt to instal the map server i.e.; is it good open source (no api trademarks, etc) to mess with and document hybrid type of stuff?	[21:05]
marclaporte	all TikiFesters: http://tikiwiki.org/Viral+TikiWiki	[21:14]
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luciash	>doctwo Gmap+Admin	[21:16]
Sug4r	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Gmap+Admin	[21:16]
luciash	ibrrorg: ^	[21:16]
ibrrorg	linking now i've done all that; let me rephrase: how do I now make a goolge map of my choice appear in a page---is there a doc on this? thanx, in advance, for taking time to help me!	[21:16]
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luciash	nkoth: see the chat in bbb	[21:21]
ibrrorg	how do i get there?	[21:21]
marclaporte	GillesM: : time to remove Multimedia feature!	[21:22]
oys	marclaporte: WYSIWYG_Wiki is not quite perfect yet. I've migrated a lot of content into the wiki using the regular wiki, but sometimes when I edit a page with wysiwyg, it takes away the line breaks.	[21:22]
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oys	marclaporte: is this something you've come across? and do you know if there are any large users of tikiwiki that use wysiwyg for their wiki?	[21:23]
marclaporte	oys : council of Europe	[21:24]
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oys	marclaporte: that's great news. are they using 3, 4, or the coe-branch? I'd love to read/learn more about their setup.	[21:26]
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luciash	oys: i think line breaks are largely affected by what you have set on Admin → Wiki for Wiki paragraph formatting	[21:27]
marclaporte	oys: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/CoE	[21:27]
sylvieg	+ use htmlpurifier	[21:27]
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marclaporte	oys: you have their nicks so I suggest to try to catch them when they come online :-)	[21:33]
oys	will do. I'm really happy with everything except these minor issues that I understand are not that minor to correct (referring to the wiki-syntax/html dilemma)	[21:34]
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marclaporte	oys: do you follow devel mailing list?	[21:35]
changi\|work	changi\|work nice work with branching :) oys : we are using Tiki3	[21:35]
oys	marclaporte: I must admit, I did not. I will now though.	[21:40]
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marclaporte	oys : http://old.nabble.com/Text-area-helpers%2C-Wiki-Syntax-and-WYSIWYG-and-the-strategic-%09importance-for-TikiWiki-to25860720.html	[21:42]
oys	changi\|work: are your users mostly using WYSIWYG for editing wiki entries? and are you experiencing any issues with e.g. linebreaks? Also, what settings/profile are you using for wysiwyg? changi\|work: it would be really interesting to read more about your setup. maybe a sort of "customer testimonial" :)	[21:42]
changi\|work	oys: personally i don't use WYSIWYG, but nyloth and pkdille could certainly answer this	[21:43]
luciash	oys: i am using wysiwyg only when testing	[21:44]
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oys	marclaporte: I'd come across that post earlier. I fall in the "you are not convinced yourself" category, though I'm leaning more and more towards educating users. at first glance it seems like there should be a simple solution, but I've understood that the devil is in the details :/	[21:48]
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marclaporte	there are recent messages on that thread oys : if someone can find one single stable implementation... Perhaps part of the solution is to lock some pages to WYSIWYG	[21:50]
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oys	finished reating through the thread now. I am dealing with very non-technical users many for whom the concept of a wiki in itself is new. Even creating internal links with (()) is new. So far, only a small team of a handfull of people have been using the regular wiki-syntax editor. i was hoping to figure out how to painlessly switch to wysiwyg, but if that won't happen in a while, it will be interestning to see how users will react. my fear is that they will renounce it without really giving it a try because it is not as "easy" to use as word :/	[21:58]
marclaporte	oys: I have an idea	[21:59]
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macnific	Hello everyone. This is my first day at the community. Who can welcome me?	[22:00]
luciash	macnific: welcome :)	[22:01]
macnific	After succeed Tikiwiki installation. Well. we are creating a barter community and tikiwiki will help a lot	[22:01]
marclaporte	oys : tell me what you think: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2842	[22:02]
macnific	I have read myself all the "open organization" principles that goes in the same direction of my thinking	[22:02]
marclaporte	welcome macnific	[22:02]
macnific	thanks marcla, thanks luciash I also reformed the PT-BR translation. And I will put available to the community.	[22:02]
marclaporte	macnific: Did you read http://tikiwiki.org/Model ?	[22:03]
macnific	marclaporte: great.. Java is really good. We have also installed Cyclos in our community and it is java based. marclaporte: good page. I have no doubt about tiki. I made a long comparision inside wikimatrix.org Sure I will be here giving feedback for the dev team.	[22:04]
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macnific	however the point here now is more concerning the principles.	[22:06]
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macnific	I saw the video of TikiFest in spain. Great.	[22:06]
luciash	macnific: Java ? macnific: we are PHP, mostly	[22:06]
macnific	But I would like to know if Tikiwiki needed to officialize itself as an institution. Or does it exist only virtually inside net? luciash: I know tikiwiki is PHP. I was answering concerning the page from marclaporte.	[22:07]
luciash	we needed to officialize just recently to have some bank account legal wire ah, the Model ? ok	[22:08]
macnific	yes... Ok, let me show you something www.troquei.com this is the community I have created since I got back to my country, Brazil. ohh no mine, really, anyway... here is the animation I did: http://web.mac.com/pedrobarbosa/troquei/Splash.html and here the Tikiwiki : http://wiki.troquei.com/tikiwiki33/ I am at configuration moment. and preparing the wiki pages and your pages has been an inspiration for me. Mainly the dogfood and Do-ocracry terms. hehe	[22:08]
luciash	cool	[22:12]
macnific	Now the point is... how to transfer this great community philosophy (focused in development) to do something similar, but turned to human beings. that is the point I would like to have someone sharing thoughts. You all certainly have seem barter communities such as Lets, etc. What do you think about it?	[22:12]
luciash	we're all human beings here (except some few bots ;))	[22:14]
macnific	hahaha, bots has helped sometimes more than some other people I know. ahaha ;D	[22:14]
luciash	sure	[22:14]
marclaporte	The wiki way, applied to community development	[22:14]
luciash	Sug4r: what do you think ?	[22:14]
Sug4r	Maybe...	[22:14]
macnific	well. I would like to know how have Tikiwiki community deal with taxs, governament, etc. Did your team created chart as a company? Does it has an official office? or just a server as address? hhehee those are the questions we are asking ourselves over here.	[22:15]
marclaporte	http://tikiwiki.org/Tiki+Software+Community+Association	[22:15]
macnific	Do we need to exist officially to be together? ohhh no. There is membership	[22:15]
luciash	well, we evolved without it this is really just a necessity to handle donations and stuff around that	[22:16]
macnific	luciash: did you see zeitgeist?	[22:16]
luciash	nope	[22:16]
marclaporte	marclaporte thinks macnific will be interested in http://cc.tikiwiki.org/	[22:17]
sylvieg	jonnyb\|feeding: around: how far sortable is implemented in the table?	[22:17]
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macnific	marclaporte: thanks a lot. checking	[22:17]
luciash	nkoth: i will have a look	[22:17]
macnific	My God. I found my tribe I believe. hehe	[22:18]
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marclaporte	amd http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Exchange_Market	[22:18]
luciash	nkoth: the BBB frozen for me	[22:18]
macnific	here: thezeitgeistmovie.com www.thezeitgeistmovie.com	[22:18]
jonnyb	hi syvieg	[22:18]
macnific	www.thezeitgeistmovement.com	[22:18]
luciash	macnific: ok, it's enough, i have no time to watch it now anyway ;)	[22:19]
marclaporte	oys: do you think http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2842 could do the job?	[22:19]
macnific	I was not intending to give more than that. Luciash	[22:19]
nkoth	I think BBB is down - letting fred know	[22:19]
sylvieg	jonnyb: I tried {FANCYTABLE(headclass=sortable) } .. suppose I am missiing some points sylvieg begins to like jq	[22:19]
jonnyb	sortables sort of workes - messes up the odd/even thing though	[22:20]
luciash	sylvieg: welcome onboard ;)	[22:20]
sylvieg	I am a slow leaner	[22:20]
luciash	nkoth: can you repaste here ?	[22:20]
macnific	I am not in a rush to change the word, I also do not have time to be with those who want to stop the change. ;)	[22:20]
jonnyb	never been aboard	[22:20]
sylvieg	is there a place where sortable works? I can give a try to fix the rest	[22:20]
nkoth	luci :http://vps13.etazo.net/trunk2/tiki-index.php does not work	[22:21]
macnific	Thank everybody, I will be around helping on what I can.	[22:21]
nkoth	but http://vps13.etazo.net/trunk2/tiki-index.php?page=testcomment does	[22:21]
luciash	jonnyb: oh, you mean you never liked jq ?	[22:21]
jonnyb	there are 2 or 3 admin tables that use them - i'd have to check	[22:21]
sylvieg	okmI saw them...	[22:21]
jonnyb	luciash: fancytables, i mean	[22:21]
nkoth	luci: http://vps13.etazo.net/trunk2/tiki-index.php?page=testcomment also does not work	[22:22]
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nkoth	I mean http://vps13.etazo.net/trunk2/tiki-index.php?page=testcomment2	[22:22]
sylvieg	jonnyb - I simply watnt o put sortable in fancytable ;-)	[22:22]
nkoth	luci: page too long? css?	[22:22]
jonnyb	does it generate a tbody tag? (and thead)	[22:22]
luciash	jonnyb: hehe, i was reacting on sylvies quote "sylvieg begins to like jq"	[22:22]
macnific	marclaporte: Thanks for existing.	[22:22]
jonnyb	:)	[22:22]
sylvieg	hehe good point konnyb oops jonnyb	[22:23]
jonnyb	1 min, changing computers	[22:23]
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jonnyb	is there an irc command to get the last few minutes of chat?	[22:24]
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sylvieg	http://irc.tikiwiki.org/	[22:25]
jonnyb\|mobile	thx sylvieg - so not inside the irc client then - just wondering	[22:26]
luciash	nkoth: i suspect the minified js nkoth: there seem to be no link to tiki.js	[22:26]
nkoth	tiki-js.js?	[22:27]
oys	marclaporte: about wish2842. It might work, but I am afraid non-technical users would still see it as buggy (since their reference is a word processor). I got carried away reading about how twiki is approaching the problem : http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WysiwygPlugin#How_it_works	[22:27]
luciash	nkoth: and PHP error on the page nkoth: yes	[22:27]
marclaporte	we exactly need people to do this type of research	[22:27]
luciash	nkoth: can you try to switch the minified off ?	[22:27]
nkoth	luciash: ok, one sec	[22:28]
luciash	nkoth: js console says it	[22:29]
oys	marclaporte: I saw that on in your post. I've been giving this quite some thought, but I don't yet have a good enough understandning about the issue to make myself usefull just yet.	[22:29]
marclaporte	oys: in your research: http://tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Landscape	[22:29]
luciash	nkoth: SyntaxError: Parse error → minified_f494d67819d3ef3da8f63e52a3216b85.js (line 258)SyntaxError: Parse error	[22:30]
marclaporte	oys: you don't need to understand how they do it. Just validate that it works well.	[22:30]
nkoth	luciash: turned off minify js luciash: did it fix it for you?	[22:30]
luciash	yes	[22:32]
nkoth	let me turn it on again	[22:32]
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luciash	but still there's unmatched tag generated (span)	[22:32]
oys	I think I would be happy with a very simple wysiwyg editor that just handles simple stuff like bold, italic, and headings (and maybe tables)	[22:32]
luciash	oys: you can configure the toolbars icons now	[22:33]
marclaporte	the slippery slope!	[22:33]
oys	links and functions like toc don't need to be wysiwyg because they are more advanced features. but telling people that _ means bold will be too much	[22:33]
nkoth	luciash: ok, that reproduced problem...hmm, i wonder if minify has a cache	[22:34]
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luciash	oys: at least in Tiki trunk nkoth: yes, it has nkoth: ctrl + U and you will see the reference	[22:34]
oys	luciash: I know, and I've been doing this based on the various wysiwyg profiles. currently my only problem is changing between the two ways of editing breaks line-breaks	[22:34]
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luciash	oys: have you tried the Wiki Paragraph Formating and HTML purifier as sylvie suggested ?	[22:35]
sylvieg	oys: there is a setting for taht - /me never remember which one	[22:36]
luciash	sylvieg: imho TRACKER and TRACKERLIST needs approval	[22:37]
sylvieg	ok for me - even if I think it is pretty tuff...	[22:37]
nkoth	luciash: how you get that js error? my firebug report no error	[22:38]
luciash	well, without it any user with tiki_p_edit can query registration user data from a tracker	[22:38]
macnific	marclaporte: I knew transitionner.org. I see everything start to converge to the same point.	[22:38]
luciash	nkoth: top menu → Tools → Error Console nkoth: i was looking with Arora Web Inspector though	[22:38]
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mlpvolt	is anyone working on file galleries for 4.x these days?	[22:40]
luciash	mlpvolt: not me	[22:40]
sylvieg	oys: Did you play with admin->textarea: tikiparagraph formatting and but still create a breaks within parag mlpvolt: I am working around	[22:40]
luciash	BBB seems to be broken for me currently still	[22:42]
nkoth	luciash: i don't know enough about minify to know why it might break that page but not http://vps13.etazo.net/trunk2/tiki-index.php?page=testcomment	[22:42]
marclaporte	sylvieg : can I delete this file? http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/db/fulltext.sql?revision=13490&view=markup	[22:43]
luciash	nkoth: no idea, maybe because of the PHP error reporting ?	[22:43]
marclaporte	and this? http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/db/case_patch.php?revision=19138&view=markup	[22:43]
luciash	nkoth: try to switch that off too	[22:43]
nkoth	luciash: ok	[22:43]
mlpvolt	hi sylvie, i've been doing some followup to work we did on filegalleries before, i've been testing and documenting ((doc:multimedia))	[22:44]
marclaporte	luciash : fixed width is not working for me: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php	[22:45]
mlpvolt	will ping you later with some ideas.	[22:45]
luciash	marclaporte: you have shadow layers on ?	[22:45]
sylvieg	oys: I juste tested with wysiwyg - i did not add br - so it is probably a setting	[22:46]
marclaporte	luciash: : will try	[22:47]
oys	sylvieg: there are so many settings in so many places so I don't blame you. customization is a good thing, but the more there is, the more to learn. thank you for all of your input. I will play around with various settings (again) and see how far I get.	[22:47]
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marclaporte	tiki-admin.php?page=look -> shadow layer options are scary. All these boxes, I dunno what to answer	[22:48]
sylvieg	oys: admin ->editing Wiki paragraph formatting and but still create line breaks within paragraphs. are on	[22:49]
marclaporte	luciash: fixed width is working when feature_layoutshadows is to y. But why do I need to do this?	[22:49]
luciash	marclaporte: blame microsoft ;) it needs extra div to make it work across browsers (including you know which one)	[22:50]
marclaporte	why not always have on? (clutter?)	[22:51]
oys	sylvieg/marclaporte: I reproduce the error consistently: saving something with regular editor and then opening in wysiwyg with wysiwyg_wiki profile on a clean install removes all line-breaks.	[22:53]
luciash	yes, some people don't need those extra wrapping divs... maybe it could be done better, maybe using jquery but i tried hard to make it work with every browser for ones and not to break anything for the others marclaporte: maybe for Tiki 4.1 you can put it on by default though	[22:54]
marclaporte	or Tiki5 :-)	[22:55]
luciash	for installs and if people don't need it, they can switch it off wouldn't hurt i guess	[22:55]
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marclaporte	I am trying to find a way to have non-super-large page on fresh installs	[22:56]
luciash	you can put a note next to it that it is needed by fixed option for theme	[22:56]
jonnyb\|mobile	oys: do you have wiki paragraph formatting on?	[22:56]
marclaporte	using strasa-fixed instead of thenews.css	[22:56]
nkoth	we are changing location shortly	[22:57]
oys	jonnyb\|mobile: yup. the only things I've changed are what's configured by this profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=WYSIWYG_Wiki	[22:57]
luciash	sure, maybe it's time to change theme for major release default theme	[22:57]
jonnyb\|mobile	that's what it does - i was going to fix it but apparently that's the desired behaviour	[22:58]
sylvieg	what is the default theme in t4?	[22:58]
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luciash	sylvieg: currently still thenews for barebones profile	[22:59]
marclaporte	sylvieg : still thenews.css but I would prefer to change if another is nice/stable enough	[22:59]
sylvieg	sylvieg votes to change to sttrasa or coe	[22:59]
marclaporte	strasa is nice but quite buggy on IE	[22:59]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03dexl_2000 * r22852 10/branches/4.x/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl: [MOD] adding instant password check on change-password page, just basic functions at the moment. Future addon can be returnning of user name via js on GO BACK button, and tiki submit limit.	[22:59]
luciash	marclaporte: still ?	[22:59]
oys	also, ((links)) sometimes get garbled to [tiki-index.php?page=links\|links], but this I can live with (for now)	[23:00]
sylvieg	sylvieg remembers niclone fixed to excessive <br>... sylvieg does not lik 22852 tone for a pre-release	[23:00]
luciash	oys: ((links)) get duplicated here after preview in wysiwyg luciash wonders if preview in wysiwyg is necessary or somehow "duplicated", to be more precise	[23:00]
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oys	sylvieg: to be clear: when you test wysiwyg, are you able to save something with the regular editor and then open it with wysiwyg and retain linebreaks?	[23:14]
marclaporte	luciash : yup	[23:14]
sylvieg	oys: yes just the setting are not friendly..	[23:14]
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oys	I've now played with both wiki_paragraph_formatting settings with no luck	[23:15]
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oys	sylvieg: are you using a profile or did you set it up manually? either way: how did you do it :)	[23:15]
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sylvieg	sylvieg needs to download a fresh install - but it is my 3- today .. pretty tired	[23:15]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r22853 10/branches/4.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Changing the first impressions after a fresh install. using Strasa-fixed. This is up for debate. What do you think?	[23:18]
marclaporte	luciash : can you review my latest commit? We are moving to new place	[23:18]
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sylvieg	marclaporte: the king of prefs setting - jquery is on by default now but {JG()} is not sorry {JQ()}	[23:20]
marclaporte	who needs? people will put jquery in wiki pages?	[23:21]
sylvieg	I am trying to have FANCYTABLE using tablesort ... ok I can figure it out	[23:21]
marclaporte	bbl good work everyone! Tiki4 is looking fabulous	[23:22]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22854 10/branches/4.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: missing prefs	[23:26]
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oys	sylvieg: do you have time to pastebin output from select * from tiki_preferences;? I'd like to compare my settings to figure out what my issue is.	[23:30]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22855 10/branches/4.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: tikiwiki: [FIX] Several annoyances in dialog tools tikiwiki: Button label for replace/submit/insert tidied up tikiwiki: Handles plugins without closing tag tikiwiki: Close button JS error fix tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22856 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_flash.php: [MOD] Helpful description text	[23:57]

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