#tikiwiki 2009-11-06,Fri

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Who	What	When
sylvieg	tiki.sql is not supposesd to have update - only the synthesis of the db because I thought so - and I change onyl in the firt line	[00:00]
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sylvieg	... why is the interest to have tiki.sql with this kind of upgrade - the other I do not know changing this - is about 1 hour of testing I am very narrow minding when going back to proposed	[00:01]
jonnyb	er, you committed it to proposed? so i'm trying to understand it	[00:02]
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sylvieg	I did not udnerstand where this commit was coming from - in trunk/tiki.sql there is not such lines	[00:04]
jonnyb	i'm trying to vote on your commit 22733 to proposed - i don't understand it	[00:05]
sylvieg	ping amette a lot of complains about doc and dev down ok - there were 2 lines about 'tiki_p_use_as_template one insert and one update I fixed in .. must to look at the number ti insert release was done but I did not see the 2- line - the update line after the release so my first fix was useless The other update ... seem so far I check ok	[00:05]
jonnyb	but i don't know what your fix was, i'm afraid - 15091 was by LPH in 2008	[00:08]
sylvieg	I did not see the problem because on all my site I have the content templates on so I was able to see the perms and change the perms I got a site with no content template - and it was when I see the problem	[00:08]
jonnyb	yes, but what was the problem it was fixing?	[00:09]
sylvieg	each pretty tracker template must have a perm - because of security reason	[00:10]
jonnyb	because someone could change the template?	[00:11]
luciash	jonnyb: yep, tiki_p_use_as_template is for pretty trackers, not for wiki content templates	[00:11]
sylvieg	if this proposed does not get in - means that every site witout content template on - will not be able to use pretty tracker for non admin I do not remember when lph committed - load only perms for features taht are activated	[00:11]
jonnyb	so it fixes a mistaken commit to proposed?	[00:12]
sylvieg	but this commit was in 2009 no	[00:12]
luciash	it fixes mistaken feature check	[00:12]
jonnyb	before 3.0 then?	[00:12]
sylvieg	no a 3.0 stuff	[00:12]
luciash	probably the perm name should be tiki_p_use_as_tracker_template but too late	[00:14]
sylvieg	big picture : lph tried to redispatch the perm - one was wrongly redispacthed - lph limited the perm to the activated features .. never find out untill, recently because I have content templates always on but whe I though I fixed it - I changed in the insert line of tiki.sql	[00:15]
jonnyb	ok, i think i follow (late here)	[00:16]
sylvieg	I needed me ... a little while to see that tiki.sql as a upgrade part so my fix was useless so /me wants to introduce -a rule - no upgrade in tiki.sql - fix at the source of the problem i took me one year to find this out - because all the site has content templates on... bbl food	[00:16]
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Kimberlee	dev.tikiwiki.org is down? doc.tikiwiki.org too.	[00:33]
luciash	yep	[00:41]
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jonnyb	nn all - more from Canadadia next week	[00:46]
luciash	jonnyb: next week ? jonnyb: nite nite anyway :)	[00:47]
jonnyb	yup - off to Oslo for a couple of days	[00:47]
luciash	ah, i see :) enjoy the world !	[00:47]
jonnyb	thx :)	[00:48]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22936 10/branches/4.x/tiki-switch_theme.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] switching theme [or theme option] through switch theme module would do nothing for users with a custom theme [or theme option] if feature_userPreferences was disabled tikiwiki: credits go to Nelson Koth for finding the actual issue and proposing this solution	[01:29]
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chealer	hopefully done with switch theme issues now	[01:30]
luciash	good stuff, guys :)	[01:31]
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chealer	thanks luciash and thanks jonnyb and everyone who asked/complained about switch theme	[01:36]
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chibaguy	polom	[02:06]
luciash	bolow	[02:07]
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btiffin	possibly sensitive; marclaporte. I was denied due to lack of PostgreSQL. :( So I'm limited to running a desktop Tikiwiki, as a pim. Nice ;) But ... I bumped into bitweaver. pgsql works great, but ... How's the relationship with bw and tiki? Do I have to 'pick sides'?	[02:16]
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marclaporte	you should pick what's best for your project, and contribute where you can There was work on PG, but not enough to succeed yet bw & tiki relationship is cordial	[02:24]
luciash	btiffin: so you are welcome to contribute back to tiki if you learn something ;)	[02:25]
marclaporte	code base has diverged 4-5 years ago so it's quite different now	[02:25]
btiffin	marclaporte, luciash yeah ... :) thanks for Tiki... it's my information store of choice now. But the boss gets the say and pg we is on the servers. I've tried to figure out a few things, but I'll admit; without a few serious hours in (just coming to grips with where and what and best practice...I get fairly lost after the first few changes so it never gets far enough to sink in ... yet	[02:29]
luciash	btiffin: trunk is installable with PgSQL and usable with basic wiki editing, but that's pretty much all btiffin: sooner or later you will meet a fatal error with other features btiffin: administration works, well, too	[02:40]
chibaguy	interesting that jonnyb asked if I had trouble with switch-theme module not displaying, and I didn't have that problem before. But now after the work on switch theme (which I'm happy about), the module doesn't display here (branch4x). ironic	[02:41]
luciash	chibaguy: g i haven't try myself yet i must admit tha latest changes	[02:42]
chibaguy	heh, yesterday I wiped all the perms at themes.tw.o. by assigning an object perm on a menu, then unassigning it. (trunk version about a month old or so) I guess registered users get perms via intertiki. but anon had 0 perms when i just checked.	[02:51]
btiffin	luciash; yeah, I tried pg install once with 4, Next free weekend, I'll give it another go	[02:54]
chibaguy	(alternating topic here) I'm stumped about why a topbar menu won't display for anonymous viewers. I made a new menu for themes.two (partly finished) and activated it, but it only displays when I'm logged in. menu items are anonymous-viewable.	[03:01]
luciash	some bad feature check i guess... see what else is being checked in the topbar template search ? anon has search perms ? etc.	[03:03]
chibaguy	As I was reactivating anon perms, i did activate tiki_p_search, so that shouldn't be a problem.	[03:06]
	I only see feature prefs controlling the menu display.	[03:11]
	ah, changed the menu id and now anon can see, so I guess there's a perm on the menu. but also no perms are set for the menu that displays. chibaguy maybe will quit tinkering until the site is updated.	[03:17]
marclaporte	marclaporte wonders why modules are duplicated on Tiki4 version of dev.tw.o marclaporte can't check doc.tw.o because not accessible	[03:22]
chibaguy	chibaguy gets light bulb over head while sitting on toilet - maybe switch-theme module isn't displaying in local branch4x because 'users can switch theme' isn't turned on. duh. . . . sure enough, that was the problem.	[03:33]
luciash	g	[03:33]
chibaguy	yay, anonymous theme switching is back. thanks jonnyb, chealer, nkoth. gotta walk the dog. bbl.	[03:44]
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chealer	chealer declares TikiFestToronto4 officially over chealer declares /topic officially outdated. Let's look forward to TikiFestMontreal...something	[04:21]
luciash	why outdated ? there will be no pics from the TikiFest ? :-/	[04:23]
chealer	I didn't have a camera. I believe nobody had, only webcams we didn't do much tourism neither quite few guests. we could have taken a group photo but we weren't many	[04:25]
luciash	boring :-p	[04:28]
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chealer	well, if the Texan guy comes back to TikiFestToronto5, we'll take a group photo with him and his good friend	[04:34]
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marclaporte	lol	[05:29]
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btiffin	A programmer's wife asks, "Honey can you go to the store and get a loaf of bread, and if they have eggs get six." A few minutes later, he returns and plops down six loaves of bread. "Honey, why did you do that?" "They had eggs."	[05:55]
luciash	LOL	[05:58]
chibaguy	:-)	[06:02]
chealer	I didn't know honey could process commands, thought it was just fuel.	[06:06]
chibaguy	true, but this context is case-sensitive.	[06:07]
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luciash	can smarty block have else content or should i use smarty function instead ? hm, doesn't seem that i could use function... np i was wondering something like block.foo.php → {foo bar=x}something{else}something else{/foo}	[06:18]
chealer	luciash: what do you mean by else? if not what?	[06:23]
luciash	if bar is not x i will figure that out ;)	[06:24]
	maybe as section and sectionelse... foo and fooelse	[06:31]
chealer	section does a loop, a block doesn't necessarily {if bar=x}{foo}something}{/foo}{else}something else{/if} maybe? otherwise I don't understand what you're trying to do	[06:38]
luciash	right	[06:42]
	i am writing smarty block.user.php which will check if the user is in group or friendship with specified user, for example: {user friend=$f_25 group='Registered'}Foo{userelse}Bar{/user}	[06:49]
chealer	good night	[06:50]
luciash	night	[06:50]
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	ah, there's already this block.display.php	[07:11]
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chibaguy	Interesting, module switch-theme selector is ghosted when on a wiki page with theme set for it as object. cool.	[07:34]
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chibaguy	Still don't know why new themes.tw.o menu won't display to anonymous, though.	[07:49]
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Cyberguyen	is it only me or is the documentation server down? doc.tikiwiki.org	[07:51]
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chibaguy	was down for me too. heh, http://www.downforyoutoo.com/ doesn't know. tries to find out but never gives an answer.	[08:03]
Cyberguyen	I have problem with permission settings. I want to have a group of users that can only make pages in noe category. How do I set this up in tikiwiki? in own category -even	[08:17]
chibaguy	I don't know. Maybe ask again later when more people are active.	[08:22]
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Cyberguyen	when do people tend to be online in here? it is now 9 am where I live en Denmark :-)	[08:32]
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chibaguy	It seems to be busier later than this, maybe in 2 or 3 hours.	[08:47]
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marclaporte	dthacker: !!	[12:48]
dthacker	marclaporte: regretfully no. Reading them now.	[12:50]
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Kimberlee	morning all	[12:59]
changi\|work	polom	[13:03]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22937 10/trunk/db/ (4 files): [FIX] Forgot to add to tiki.sql	[13:06]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2843 - - Editing tracker items fails when filtered by categories - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2843 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2844 - - Cannot connect to profile repos after svn update - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2844	[13:27]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2845 - - Can't log in as admin for the first time - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2845 New Forum Posts: Wiki page export fails - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35144	[13:27]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22938 10/branches/4.x/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Padding-right in #siteloginbar moved so that register link background (darker image) is flush right again.	[13:38]
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sylvieg	doc.tw is stull dead for me - mroe than a day... ping amette	[15:05]
SEWilco2	Yup, I'm also getting no response from doc.tw.	[15:09]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r22939 10/branches/4.x/ (4 files in 3 dirs): - Started working on new side-by-side look for the translation interface.	[15:14]
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	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22940 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_archivebuilder.php: [ENH] Check for required extension	[15:31]
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	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22941 10/trunk/ (21 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 22915 to 22939	[15:47]
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luciash	polom sylvieg: amette moves to new flat and has broken display on his computer currently so hard to catch him right now... hopefully gets back online soon maybe try #tikiwiki-monitor guys	[15:59]
sylvieg	thx luciash for the info marc contacted changi to give me the passwords	[16:01]
luciash	there was at least one with access to the servers ok	[16:01]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22942 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_subscribenewsletter.php: [FIX]filter: alpha takes away the space	[16:06]
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sylvieg	he I succeeded to edit a page on doc - whoa...	[16:26]
luciash	luciash congrats sylvieg for her first succesful edit on doc.tw.o ;)	[16:29]
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SEWilco2	doc.tw's gerbils need more food. They're running kind of slow.	[16:34]
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changi\|work	changi\|work MSNbot is a fucking bastard that's why doc and dev run very slow	[16:57]
luciash	lets ban it ;)	[17:01]
changi\|work	:) more easy to say than to do	[17:04]
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SEWilco2	I think I told MNSbot on my sites to do one page every five minutes.	[17:24]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22943 10/branches/4.x/tiki-index.php: [FIX] In wiki, as in other features (like forum), the error code when the user does not have the perms to view the page should be 401 instead of 403 in order to have the loginbox on error redirection working tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22944 10/branches/proposed/tiki-index.php: [bp/r22943] [FIX] In wiki, as in other features (like forum), the error code when the user does not have the perms to view the page should be 401 instead of 403 in order to have the loginbox on error redirection working	[17:25]
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Kimberlee	trying to install 4 for the first time and getting an error on lib/core/lib/TikiDb/Adodb.php anyone know what I am doing wrong?	[17:48]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22945 10/trunk/lib/ (auth/tokens.php wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_archivebuilder.php): [FIX] Some pieces not quite behaving as expected tikiwiki: 03zchermit * r22946 10/trunk/templates/translated-lang.tpl: [FIX] Add {tr} tag for translation	[18:22]
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I3igDmsu	my templates got screwed up somehow. what is the quickest way to replace these? i am using v3.2 and am upgrading to v3.3 shortly.	[19:05]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03zchermit * r22947 10/trunk/lang/ru/language.php: [MOD] Add some Russian translation	[19:06]
I3igDmsu	could someone help me upgrade to 3.3 from 3.2, my host is siteground. the tikiwiki documentation site is down	[19:11]
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luciash	I3igDmsu: do you have ssh access there ?	[19:29]
I3igDmsu	nope, no ssh access that is an extra feature there luciash: should i upgrade to v3.3 before i figure out this template issue?	[19:30]
luciash	ok, i would unzip the package in the home dir then, copy the db/local.php, files/* from old tiki to tikiwiki-3.3/, then rename public_html to public_html-backup, then rename tikiwiki-3.3 to public_html, then go to tiki-install.php and run the upgrade step then if anything else is missing, copy it from public_html-backup (i suppose you have your tiki there) what theme u use ?	[19:33]
I3igDmsu	newt unzip the full 3.3 install package or the 3.2 to 3.3 upgrade package in the home directory?	[19:34]
luciash	ok, then try as i said... it should help the problem with old templates of this theme full install 3.3	[19:35]
I3igDmsu	thanks ill try that out i appreciate the help	[19:36]
luciash	the trick is that in your older tiki there can remain some old obsolete templates which are not removed when doing simple overwrite so it is better to unpack the fresh one and copy to it only necessary stuff from the older	[19:36]
I3igDmsu	yeah that makes sense, i think once i get these templates freshened up, a lot of the problems i was having will go away	[19:38]
	is it safe to delete directories out of the styles/ and template/styles/ folders that I do not use? i only want the styles that are safe with v3.3 now	[19:43]
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I3igDmsu	nevermind, this won't be a problem if i use the new v3.3 as the base	[19:50]
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luciash	I3igDmsu: exactly	[20:00]
I3igDmsu	where are the custom headers and other settings held? are these in the local.php or files/ directory? or will i have to redo all of that?	[20:02]
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chealer	Kimberlee: pretty vague	[20:52]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22948 10/branches/4.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] allow filtering profiles belonging to several categories tikiwiki: [ENH] don't display category filter select multiple if categories aren't loaded tikiwiki: [FIX] "Categories" instead of "Category" in column name displaying profile categories tikiwiki: [FIX] colons inside tr blocks	[21:09]
I3igDmsu	luciash: the new install worked perfectly. thanks.	[21:22]
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changi	sylvieg: ping !	[21:29]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22949 10/branches/4.x/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX]coelesce: fix display of >>> in admin->categories	[21:30]
sylvieg	pong	[21:30]
changi	access granted on dev doc and db0	[21:31]
sylvieg	which user	[21:32]
changi	watch your email	[21:34]
sylvieg	ok thx I am in - I wil have a look as soon as my curretn task is finished	[21:35]
changi	ok dev and doc are heavy load	[21:35]
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JohnTheBash	!help	[21:36]
Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[21:37]
JohnTheBash	Hi I would like to know how to set Tiki Wiki wikipedia like - so that registered users can edit/create articles, but only administrator confirms new articles or new edits.	[21:38]
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SEWilco2	I tried the Small Enterprise profile in 3.3 and found that a horizontal menu IN A WIKI PAGE is shown as light blue text on a light blue background. Quite illegible. The light blue letters are configured to work properly in the banner, which has a dark blue background.	[22:14]
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