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DeathBadger	I just installed Tiki4 (grabbed latest zip file a few hours ago). Install seemed to go OK and got to the page with two buttons (one to enter wiki with lock, the other without lock). When I click either button I get a System Error - could not find driver. Any ideas?	[03:10]
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luciash	DeathBadger: Tiki 4 or 3.3 ?	[03:32]
DeathBadger	Tiki 4	[03:32]
luciash	DeathBadger: what driver (what is the error sentence ?) just like that ?	[03:32]
DeathBadger	The entire line is "could not find driver"	[03:33]
luciash	ah :-/ you meet all requirements ?	[03:33]
DeathBadger	I think so, I've got Tiki3 running on same machine	[03:34]
luciash	php5 compiled with mysql, php-pdo, etc. ? weird error, nothing in logs ?	[03:34]
DeathBadger	I grepped all files in Tiki4 directory for "could not find driver" and don't see it, so I presume this error text is coming from another library Let me double-check PHP config	[03:34]
luciash	do you have php with pdo support ?	[03:35]
DeathBadger	PDO drivers = sqlite2, sqlite No MySQL... I guess I need the MySQL PDO driver then?	[03:37]
luciash	you need one for mysql i think or switch to adodb	[03:37]
DeathBadger	Ah	[03:37]
luciash	i wonder it doesn't fallback automagically	[03:38]
DeathBadger	I think I'll try that Can you remind me where to change it? I read it once but never did nit (never did it)	[03:38]
luciash	you need to go to... well, same here :-p	[03:38]
DeathBadger	OK, I'll RTFM!	[03:38]
luciash	i heard it from sylvie here it must be tiki-setup_base.php or something, but maybe other setup file	[03:38]
DeathBadger	Looks like db/local.php has database config stuff, including (in my case) this line: $db_tiki='mysqli'; Perhaps something is still trying to use PDO even though local.php is set up as mysqli...	[03:42]
luciash	mysqli is fine, it must be some other line yet which has to be changed mysqli doesn't determine pdo Sug4r: last --from sylvieg --with adodb	[03:44]
Sug4r	Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 215 messages.	[03:46]
luciash	hm, too short history, sorry	[03:46]
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luciash	DeathBadger: you can search for it at http://irc.tikiwiki.org though	[04:06]
DeathBadger	I installed on a different server (PHP has PDO w/ MySQL driver) and it is working OK. I will probably update the PHP installation on the original server, but my primary goal is to play with Tiki4 so will continue with second server for now Thanks for your input	[04:11]
luciash	welcome	[04:11]
	luciash likes the stars in Tiki4 trackers rating :) sorting by the rating column is kind of mystic for me though :) http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=DogFood&tr_sort_mode=f_62_desc eeeh ? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/RoadMap Fatal error: Call to undefined method TikiDate::getDate() in ..../lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_countdown.php on line 60	[04:18]
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chibaguy	polom	[08:31]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22950 10/branches/4.x/styles/strasa/options/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Left-column top and bottom graphics suited to flush-left position.	[08:39]
luciash	hi gary, thank you !	[08:41]
chibaguy	sure, was quick and easy. I'm trying some different body background images now.	[08:54]
luciash	cool, though i kind of liked the one color plain bg too	[09:06]
chibaguy	yes, i think one color would be good too. i can do some screenshots and post them on tikiwiki-art, if that's the best way to get opinions.	[09:11]
luciash	well, in devel list there is lower limit so you cannot send too big screenies there :-/	[09:12]
chibaguy	ok, well, I can put them in a gallery and post urls.	[09:13]
luciash	yep depends if you want wider audience or just some artwork interested people ;)	[09:13]
chibaguy	one idea about the calendar_new in a module, to avoid the pile of buttons (Today, Day, Week, etc.) is to make the buttons' div overflow: auto so it get a scrollbar. What do you think? or else display:none unless it's important to allow a choice. tho quarter or semester or year in a side column is more comical than useful.	[09:14]
luciash	maybe better would be (as a quick fix) display: none but i have been also thinking about how to make nice scrolling left/right (horizontal) without having ugly big scrollbar and still made accessible/user fiendly way... actually i was thinking about this for the tabs so they would behave a la tabs in browsers i agree, it is confusing and doesn't look good there	[09:16]
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chibaguy	Alternative ideas for Strasa Fixed body background: http://zukakakina.com/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?view=browse&galleryId=12	[10:28]
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luciash	chibaguy: i like 1 and 3, more 3 because the dark background makes the content step out	[10:36]
chibaguy	if you think this would be an improvement, I can commit the files, or wait for more opinions.	[10:40]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22951 10/branches/4.x/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Moved arrow down slightly in topbar suckerfish menu.	[10:52]
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timo___	Hi! I was hoping maybe somebody knows an answer to this - I could't find a solution by checking out the tiki documentation. I just installed Tikiwiki on my server, and the installation seemed to have gone ok. When I want to change the content of my homepage, though... the error "Failed opening required 'Zend/Filter/Interface.php' (include_path='.') in /var/www/web127/html/wiki/lib/core/lib/Zend/Filter/StripTags.php" occurs. The file "interface" exists and has the corrent rw-rights. From some posts I read it seemed like... ...maybe it has to do with the include path...does anybody has an idea? Thanks a lot!!	[11:20]
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luciash	fresh install http://localhost/tikibranch4/tiki-admin_content_templates.php : "You do not have permission to use this feature" as admin i thought admin has superpowers ;)	[12:22]
	http://localhost/tikibranch4/tiki-sqllog.php "This feature is disabled: adodb" i didn't know it is possible to enable in Tiki admin, where is the feature checkbox ?	[12:30]
	at Admin → L&F → General layout options next to the "Breadcrumbs" there is help icon and the cool(tool)tip says: "Uses Google Translate to translate the content of wiki pages to other languages" ??? actually all the help icons on that page say that (the same) ???	[12:40]
Kimberlee	Luci- not that this is related, but I had weird problems with a fresh install yesterday with adodb and finally discovered somehow I was missing some of the lib files	[12:49]
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Kimberlee	bbl	[13:24]
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LordVan	hi does anyone know why doc.tikiwiki.org is slower than my 14.400 modem back then? ;)	[13:37]
luciash	some say it's Microsoft's fault ;)	[13:39]
LordVan	then get them to fix it ^^ no seriously .. i want to look up about upgrading 3.0 beta to 3.3	[13:39]
luciash	no, really, MSNbot crawler could be the culprit but i doubt it	[13:40]
LordVan	hmmm	[13:40]
luciash	should be pretty smooth the upgrade	[13:40]
LordVan	make backup drop new files into dir conn to db -> done? (no real custom themes or anything)	[13:40]
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luciash	ok, i would unzip the package in the home dir then, copy the db/local.php, files/* from old tiki to tikiwiki-3.3/, then rename public_html to public_html-backup, then rename tikiwiki-3.3 to public_html, then go to tiki-install.php and run the upgrade step luciash repeating himself	[13:42]
LordVan	:d	[13:42]
xavi	toctoc	[13:42]
LordVan	well i'd look it up in docs but the page has been loading for 10min+ hi	[13:42]
luciash	but for 3.x to 3.x it should be enough to overwrite files	[13:42]
LordVan	:D	[13:42]
luciash	no need to create fresh dir i guess hola xavi	[13:43]
LordVan	i also wanted to look up the run multiple sites with one copy of the files thing but that's not that important	[13:43]
luciash	multitiki ?	[13:43]
LordVan	yeah	[13:43]
xavi	sylvieg, I'll be at home today (the next 5h or so) so if you wish to tell me about the different types of multitiki installations, etc., I would do my best to upgrade the documentation hi luciash :-)	[13:43]
luciash	never tried myself and that is so long there in :-p	[13:44]
xavi	... if doc.tw.o is up, of course	[13:44]
LordVan	up is relative does 10min per page load count as up for u ? ;)	[13:44]
xavi	xavi hides in other windows of his desktop... (upgrading karmic on the macbookpro)	[13:45]
LordVan	afk	[13:46]
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marclaporte	polom	[13:50]
xavi	toctoc hi community waiver :-) xavi wonders if waiver is written like this	[13:50]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22952 10/branches/4.x/styles/ (16 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] Fixed_width.css option for each theme.	[14:14]
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marclaporte	chibaguy : woohooo	[14:19]
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LordVan	argh reading about multitiki .. i think i won't use it (permission stuff, ..)	[14:39]
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LordVan	alos i guess it'd be a pain to update them... or does anyone have experience with Multitiki?	[14:41]
xavi	LordVan: I do	[14:46]
LordVan	xavi, is it worth doing that for the problems with rewrite rules and permissions? or is it easier / preferred to just have seperate ones?	[14:51]
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ohertel	Grrr... PHP Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required 'lib/core/lib/TikiDb/ErrorHandler.php' Why are there always things changing that block a smooth upgrade?	[14:55]
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ohertel	Sure it is down, because after the darn upgrade tw.o gives a blank page now and not writing a single error into the logs.	[15:01]
	Anyone here except me?	[15:11]
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ohertel	ok, as long as no one can give me a hint to get rid of the blank page tw.o is dead ...	[15:35]
chibaguy	ohertel, sorry to hear, but have no ideas about the problems.	[15:37]
ohertel	blank page and no error messages, thats pretty bad. and get requests to tiki pages return 500 going to reboot the machine, maybe it has a library problem, whyever. reboot is due, anyway.	[15:37]
chibaguy	ok	[15:44]
ohertel	did not help.	[15:47]
xavi	LordVan: sorry, I was away (lunch time) LordVan: there is a summary made by marclaporte at page http://doc.tikiwiki.org/TRIM , afair there are less issues with rewrite rules than before, afaik. But in summary, it depends on what you need ohertel: sorry to hear that. No idea myself ohertel: was that upgading to latest trunk or to current 4.x svn branch?	[15:53]
ohertel	4.x	[15:56]
xavi	i'll switch to 4.x in local just to test...	[15:57]
ohertel	If I would get an error, that would help, but just a blank page is ridiculous.	[15:58]
xavi	ohertel: do you have mod sercurity or similar on?	[16:00]
ohertel	sure I have.	[16:00]
xavi	anyway, forget it. No idea myself, sorry.... xavi still downloading latest 4.x to test it dev.tw.o is also down to me :-/	[16:01]
ohertel	sure... it uses tw.o for login...	[16:01]
xavi	but does dev.tw.o use tw.o to show the homepage?	[16:02]
ohertel	no	[16:02]
xavi	I can't even see the pages	[16:02]
ohertel	strange.	[16:02]
xavi	never ending loading process (to me, at lteast)	[16:02]
chibaguy	my wamp localhost branch4.x works ok, not that that helps any.	[16:02]
xavi	example: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4 or http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Download	[16:03]
ohertel	hm, maybe it calls /tiki-integrator.php?file=cvsmonitor.pl on tw.o? Cause I see that request in my log.	[16:04]
xavi	anybody remembers the command to switch svn trunk to svn 4.x?	[16:04]
ohertel	I did a clean checkout via svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/4.x tikiwiki.org switch should be svn switch https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/4.x	[16:04]
xavi	thanks oliver	[16:06]
LordVan	xavi, well i got several pages and i was thinking of having them all become tiki (2 r drupal now for example, 1 is just a couple of html pages) and well i'm lazy ;) - in particular when it comes to updating web apps with databases	[16:06]
xavi	LordVan: so am I, so welcome to MultiTiki world :-)	[16:07]
LordVan	;) i will look aqt the link u posted .. (read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MultiTiki?bl=y so far)	[16:07]
xavi	xavi knows that marclaporte would suggest you to look at TRIM in short: if you want to have a centralized tiki, and manually running once the upgrade for the files, etc., and controlling the amount of space you use in your server, hen go the MultiTiki way.... if you fancy running scripts like TRIM, you meet its requirements, and you can hack the scripts if needed, and you don't mind wasting 90Mb for each tiki instance on your server, then TRIM might be the solution for you I've never worked with trim, so I don't kow how easy it is to work with it, beyond the documentation page for TRIM. However, I've been working with multitiki for 5+ years, and good enough and pretty well supported for end users...	[16:08]
LordVan	i'm not so bothered by the space it needs .. ;)	[16:12]
xavi	read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/TRIM . It might be a solution for you, then... and you could help to test it and bug report about it, if so... and even improve the documentation :-)	[16:13]
LordVan	hmm	[16:14]
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LordVan	well in about 5-10 mins the trim page might have finished loading	[16:15]
DeathBadger	I have installed Tiki4 and want to add the "Bug Tracker" profile but can't figure out how to add a profile. Can someone point me in the right direction?	[16:16]
xavi	DeathBadger: you'd better read the basic info about profiles at http://profiles.tikiwiki.org and then, go to "Admin home > Profiles" in your tiki installation to install whatever profile you need xavi thinks that there should be some basic info at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Profiles . And it that basic info is not there, you could, DeathBadger, update that documentation page with the information you would have liked to find there...	[16:17]
DeathBadger	I did look at that page... what I didn't see was the "Profiles" link on the Admin Home page... doh! Thanks	[16:20]
LordVan	xavi, btw how is migration from one single tiki instance to multitiki ?	[16:20]
xavi	DeathBadger: you could update the doc page to state that information clearly, so taht other find that information on the doc. page	[16:20]
DeathBadger	I shall	[16:21]
xavi	LordVan: nope. you need to re-install that tiki in a multitiki...	[16:21]
LordVan	ic is it enough to copy some files and re-conn. db?	[16:22]
xavi	LordVan: files for each tiki fall under subdirectories at each special folder: temp img/wiki_up templates_c (etc) LordVan: try in local first... you will see very quickly...	[16:22]
LordVan	k thanks will have a look and/or try	[16:22]
xavi	np	[16:23]
LordVan	afk a min	[16:23]
xavi	LordVan: and also, if you want, you could create a new section in the documentation abot how to migrate a single tiki into a multitiki installation... I might help to update your page/section once it's started... we all need to help to keep documentation pages complete and up to date... otherwise, our collective knowledge is not sustainable...	[16:23]
ohertel	and we need to get back up tw.o ...	[16:28]
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xavi	yes	[16:34]
ohertel	tiki-index.php works till the last two commands. It breaks somewhere inside smarty->display()	[16:35]
xavi	ohertel, latest 4.x works for me on new installs so it must be something related to the content in tw.o homepage, or side columns/modules or interaction with mod security or other security modules in your apache I would say... ohertel: did you try loading other pages with lest content? s/lest/less	[16:42]
ohertel	yup the rss feeds work, though. tiki-rss_forums and such.	[16:44]
xavi	did you try loadig any page with tiki-index_p.php ? (without side columns)	[16:45]
ohertel	that works.	[16:45]
xavi	example: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index_p.php?page=TikiLiveCD works so ... some issue on side columns?	[16:46]
ohertel	They worked till now.	[16:46]
xavi	maybe enabling & disabling some modules? (trial and error) yes... just suggesting how to get some more information on where the new bug must be...	[16:47]
ohertel	how? fiddling the database manually? P	[16:47]
xavi	directly through database	[16:47]
ohertel	pfft.	[16:47]
xavi	oh well... my 2 cens	[16:47]
ohertel	^ I still think the whole breakup into a 1000 .tw.o pages is ridiculous.	[16:48]
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xavi	ohertel: I agree	[16:48]
ohertel	It should be on ONE server instead and that one be well maintained instead of having it split up and none really well maintained. Would keep away trouble like 'belongs this page to docs. or dev. or info ...?' too...	[16:48]
xavi	however, I also agree with marclaporte that this procedure helps bug finding (and hopefully bug fixing) the current 4.x much faster...	[16:49]
ohertel	which procedure? We should have a main page and a testing page. period.	[16:50]
xavi	ohertel... not sure that I agree on the 1 big server versus several servers with different sites... network of smaller nodes is always more resilient than just a big central node and this is try for most systems... whatever type of systems they are... for sure, we need people being able to maintain them...	[16:50]
ohertel	Hm, columns are in preferences table, righr?	[16:52]
xavi	and since we have very sophisticated virtualized servers, afaik, less people is skilled enough to handle them...	[16:52]
ohertel	Is it feature_left_column or cms_left_column? ,)	[16:52]
xavi	searching in a local 4.x	[16:54]
chibaguy	feature_left_column	[16:56]
ohertel	thats set to "user"	[16:56]
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chibaguy	yes, that displays link to allow user choice	[16:56]
ohertel	hm, grep over db/* doesnt give me any hits... where is that definied?	[16:57]
xavi	feature_left_column ah, chibaguy , you got it first :-)	[16:57]
chibaguy	in tiki_preferences table	[16:57]
ohertel	Yah but where is it defined? Its not in tiki.sql and any other I looked in.	[16:58]
xavi	s/this is try/this is true	[16:58]
chibaguy	defined for a new site? in lib/setup/prefs.php I think	[17:00]
xavi	ohertel, maybe in the sql at the ./installer/schema ? s/sql/sqls ah, ok, chibaguy is right	[17:00]
ohertel	yes, there it is. ok, set to "n" for both columns, still blank page	[17:00]
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ohertel	top bar and bottom bar off, still not working.	[17:03]
xavi	ohertel: clear tiki caches	[17:04]
nkoth	ohertel: any php errors?	[17:04]
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ohertel	xavi: ah true, forgot. ,)	[17:04]
xavi	yes, same happened to me in my local trial ;-)	[17:05]
ohertel	nope, nothing. cleared temp, modules/cache never has any stuff in, and cleared templates_c	[17:05]
chibaguy	In Opera, I'm getting this error for (in this case) tiki-listpages.php: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 50331648 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 5404 bytes) in /var/www/tikiwiki.org/lib/core/lib/TikiDb/Pdo.php on line 84	[17:07]
ohertel	Quite a bit, eh?	[17:08]
chibaguy	(tikiwiki.org/tiki-listpages.php)	[17:08]
ohertel	Till before 4.x we could run well with 32MB ... So something's messed up greatly in 4.x?	[17:08]
nkoth	tw.o runs now for me wait http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-login_scr.php runs	[17:08]
ohertel	http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=35154 still doesnt work for me ...	[17:09]
nkoth	try increasing max memory... but I am not sure that's it	[17:09]
ohertel	I did, its at 64MB now, which is ridiculously high.	[17:09]
chibaguy	latest try: "Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes)"	[17:10]
ohertel	Thats ridiculous ... what did you do in 4.x?	[17:10]
nkoth	from the errors it looks like just PDO thats choking	[17:11]
ohertel	hm Ok, switched to adodb, now I get the tiki-forums.php but tiki-index.php still gives me Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 2 bytes) in /v So we have a memory hog here now.	[17:11]
nkoth	http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php works for me now	[17:13]
ohertel	Not for me. Maybe I see more when logged in.	[17:13]
nkoth	(I'm not logged in)	[17:13]
ohertel	but I am. So eating more memory. Ok, with 128 MB I see the page. But thats for debugging only, there is no way that Tiki shall run with 128 MB memory in php.ini ... maybe we can clean up the junk on tw.o columns a bit? it's cluttered all over... And it looks like Menu entries are not html-parsed ... I see ä in plain in german menus ... that worked before.	[17:13]
nkoth	hmm - but this is good dogfood anyhow	[17:19]
ohertel	Yah, we just found out that isnt not working well. ^^ that it's so how do we fix this now? I cant let this run with 128MB per php process ...	[17:19]
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nkoth	it does seem like a lot to me, I wonder what is causing it (I mean - I have loaded other pages with 32mb on other sites)	[17:21]
ohertel	yah we have big pages too at work.. with many links and categories and stuff.	[17:22]
nkoth	I wonder if a smaller page will need as much memory... (probably yes right?)	[17:24]
ohertel	No, we saw that pages with less included stuff need less memory.	[17:24]
nkoth	ok maybe it's something specific, maybe the page translation module *or maybe	[17:24]
ohertel	the same page logged in -> borked, not logged in -> works	[17:24]
nkoth	apge translation is shown only when logged in well the only difference between logged in and logged out for tiki-index.php is the modules maybe last forum posts? Maybe the forums are the problem? can we try that?	[17:25]
chibaguy	time to sleep here. g'night	[17:28]
ohertel	sure, one sec. bye chibaguy	[17:28]
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ohertel	ok, is off now, caches cleared, mem to 32M, restarted and blank page is back.	[17:32]
nkoth	try removing the since your last visit module	[17:33]
ohertel	But you dont see that when not logged in.	[17:34]
nkoth	umm right	[17:34]
ohertel	And you still get blank page.	[17:34]
nkoth	ok... thinking but a normal tiki-index.php page is not too demanding i can't believe 32mb is not enough	[17:34]
ohertel	me neither	[17:35]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.	[17:36]
nkoth	now even http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-login_scr.php does not work for me	[17:36]
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ohertel	I set it back to 128 for now.	[17:38]
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ohertel	and yay, back it is. darn ...	[17:39]
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ohertel	How do I add a statement to not output to webserver but to logfile?	[17:40]
nkoth	errors?	[17:40]
ohertel	yah, to log memory usage to log?	[17:40]
nkoth	don't know well, one solution is to revert and then to reproduce this on another machine and then work on the problem there	[17:41]
ohertel	Ah, error_log()	[17:42]
nkoth	http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.error-log.php	[17:42]
ohertel	So where to add it best? .P	[17:43]
nkoth	maybe I can create a ubuntu amazon aws? But I need to go out now....	[17:44]
ohertel	Sure, have fun.	[17:44]
nkoth	do you have any other ideas?	[17:44]
ohertel	I'll do some testing, but no idea yet.	[17:45]
nkoth	ok. sorry I have to go	[17:46]
ohertel	Sure. Ok, at one point memory usage jumps from 5 to 40 mb ... between 2 query() to the db.	[17:46]
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ohertel	Wahhh ..... "select tp.* from `tiki_pages` as tp order by `lastModif` desc" That only loads ALL wiki pages ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr who did this... That makes memory usage jump from 9 to 47 MB ...	[17:55]
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mlaporte	polom	[18:17]
xavi	toctoc ohertel: you seem to have found the root of the problem, then... mlaporte: did you know that dev.tw.o is down?	[18:18]
mlaporte	mlaporte is pleased community site is at tiki4 I just saw that	[18:19]
xavi	I pinged amette an hour ago or so... with no success	[18:19]
mlaporte	changi\|sleeping: is doing more server stuff these days	[18:22]
xavi	ok btw, mlaporte: do you know anywhere where the mindmap feature in tiki is working? I'm afraid that this feature is not documented yet	[18:24]
	mlaporte: fyi. doc.tw.o is taking ages also to respond... I tried this one: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MindMap maybe also the memory consumption issue is killing those sites...	[18:32]
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xavi	bbl	[18:46]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22953 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [MOD] release script: adapt release script to the new name of branches (e.g. 4.x instead of 4.0)	[19:51]
luciash	re-polom xavi ?	[19:55]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22954 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [MOD] release script: adapt release script for 4.x	[20:03]
amette	xavi: I put dev.tw.o back on it's feet... no idea why it is dead again... seems to be high load	[20:09]
luciash	amette: scroll back, isn't it the same memory consumption problem ?	[20:12]
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luciash	amette: bro, dev.tw.o doesn't load for me :( trying with http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-login.php it looks like the narcolepsic tiki doesn't want to stand on its feets	[20:14]
LordVan	hi question i just updated my svn pre-3.0 tiki to 3.3 i added a gallery (image) and when i go to the image gallery list it shows it to me but the link it has ( /gallerie1 is wrong as the right one should be tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=1 any clue why this would happen? this is the first image gallery ever i added	[20:15]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22955 10/branches/4.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 4.0beta1 release	[20:17]
luciash	LordVan: you have sefurls feature on mlaporte: wouldn't it be better to pause the beta release process until we have fix for this memory leak problem ?	[20:17]
LordVan	should have	[20:18]
luciash	LordVan: and you have .htaccess enabled ? if not, then switch it off the feature	[20:19]
LordVan	how do i check again? somewhere in admin but i'm not sure where	[20:19]
luciash	me neither from top of my head, probably Admin → Features	[20:20]
LordVan	bleh .. i need to switch my admin to english .. ;=	[20:21]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22956 10/branches/4.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 4.0beta1	[20:22]
LordVan	sefurl are on it in experimental tab of features page so i need to put .htaccess off?	[20:22]
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LordVan	ops I suck news tarball mv _htaccess -> .htaccess -> :D	[20:24]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22957 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix displayed revision number after commit	[20:26]
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luciash	mlaporte, pkdille ? LordVan: :) pkdille: i take it as that you know about this memory problem and releasing the beta anyway as it is not trivial to fix, right ?	[20:39]
pkdille	hello yes, we will now release a 4.0 beta 1 anyway the problem seems not to be new (it seems not to be very clean to request all fields for all pages in one request....)	[20:50]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22958 10/branches/4.x/lang/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 4.0beta1	[20:56]
LordVan	odd .. i keep getting an error when trying to upload an image ..	[21:04]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22959 10/branches/4.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 4.0beta1	[21:04]
LordVan	strange agian same error i wonder if it is the image or some other issue odd it worked now after i saved the image again from gimp	[21:05]
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LordVan	prolly some problem processing the photo to make thumbnail .. ah well as long as i know what causes it i can avoid it ;) afk now	[21:07]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22960 10/branches/4.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 4.0beta1	[21:38]
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marclaporte	polom	[21:47]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22961 10/branches/4.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl: [FIX] database connection error template: fix broken smarty syntax	[21:56]
changi\|sleeping	pkdille: ping !! changi\|sleeping changi is looking for pkdille the crazy releaser :)	[21:57]
pkdille	hi changi	[22:00]
marclaporte	hi pkdille	[22:00]
pkdille	hi Marc	[22:01]
marclaporte	marclaporte is happy release script is running and smell of Tiki4Beta1 is in the air	[22:02]
pkdille	yup !	[22:03]
marclaporte	Beta1 is a good name	[22:03]
redflo	marclaporte: i try to make a hotfix for the performance issue redflo just had a idea	[22:07]
marclaporte	marclaporte likes redflo's ideas	[22:09]
changi\|sleeping	pkdille : do you know how to deactivate pagination ?	[22:10]
redflo	judge after implementation :-)	[22:10]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22962 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix message when SecDB file is created.	[22:11]
marclaporte	marclaporte thinks it's very strange that we don't have a TikiFest in Germany as there are so many Tikizens in Germany or nearby (Amette, ohertel, redflo, kissaki, FrankP_german) and all the Strasbourg team (changi, pkdill, sept_07, nyloth and jyhem) marclaporte denies any rumors that he is looking for excuses to go to Germany...	[22:12]
changi\|sleeping	changi\|sleeping LOL	[22:14]
marclaporte	marclaporte strongly denies any insinuation that this any anything to do with the will to go to OktoberFest	[22:14]
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changi\|wondering	changi\|wondering next year mayb s/mayb/maybe/	[22:14]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22963 10/branches/4.x/db/tiki-secdb_4.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 4.0beta1	[22:14]
changi\|wondering	reflo : what's your fix ? oups redflo sorry	[22:15]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22964 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix debug-packaging option for build_packages step	[22:17]
changi\|wondering	changi\|wondering nyloth is a release killer just like pkdille, cap in hand changi\|wondering really need to sleep, my little girl will wake me up on 7 tomorrow :), bye all everybody	[22:18]
redflo	changi: load in chuncks and filter the chunks stop if enough	[22:20]
marclaporte	changi\|wondering : : nothing can be done for dev before you sleep?	[22:20]
changi\|wondering	marclaporte dev is alive, no ?	[22:20]
marclaporte	ah yes, now it is	[22:21]
changi\|wondering	:)	[22:21]
marclaporte	perhaps we deactivate list pages?	[22:21]
changi\|wondering	i wake it up, just to go sleeping just need to remove it from menu no ?	[22:21]
marclaporte	it could be in search engines	[22:24]
changi\|wondering	you don't need me to do that ?	[22:24]
marclaporte	no, I will I was just wondering if that is the real issue perhaps it's pagination in search results	[22:26]
changi\|wondering	the principal mysql query on db0 is : select tp.* from `tiki_pages` as tp order by `lastModif` desc; in fact all (google\|msn\|yahoo)bot who ask for pages run this sql query as MSNbot use 55 server for (botting <= love this word) it crawl down both server is it possible to make cache for this menu mods ? changi\|wondering i'm not a developper, so i let you with my question :) have a good (day or night or what you want)	[22:28]
marclaporte	thanks changi, your contribution is very very appreciated	[22:32]
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marclaporte	redflo : Should we turn off anything on dev & doc to survive until there is a real fix?	[22:33]
redflo	popbably pagination links?	[22:33]
xavi	back for a few min (sorry I've been away) reading back log	[22:36]
luciash	wb xavi	[22:37]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22965 10/branches/4.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] database structure homogenization for a fresh 4.x installation and for a 3.x to 4.x upgraded tiki.	[22:38]
luciash	xavi: the mindmap on tw.o fails to load because of so many wiki pages (or it takes too long i wasn't patient enough to wait)	[22:40]
redflo	damn my idea breaks pagination links	[22:52]
luciash	redflo: sure redflo: you need to count all wiki pages to have proper pagination i think there is no easy way out of this unless the count would be cached for a while maybe until someone creates new wiki page or deletes one	[22:52]
redflo	or you estimate like google does or did	[22:54]
luciash	yep but why couldn't there be a table column where the number of wiki pages is stored and updated depending on action with a wiki page ? then you'd just need to query that number	[22:55]
redflo	wycsiwyca is the problem every user has another page count depending on permissions	[22:56]
luciash	well, it would of course need to be thinked properly and maybe have more columns for different access groups with different numbers depending on wysiwyca so for anonymous there would be different count stored than for Admins, etc.	[22:57]
redflo	or a per user object access cache	[22:58]
luciash	yep	[22:58]
redflo	table	[22:58]
luciash	i think that would definitely improve performance	[22:59]
redflo	marclaporte: no hot fix - this is something that takes some time	[22:59]
marclaporte	ok	[23:03]
luciash	marclaporte: made tiki community pages more easy to share using the sharethis plugin... is it ok ?	[23:08]
marclaporte	great idea!!! Dogfood and backlinks :-)	[23:10]
luciash	also just added blogs to the top menu, a pity they don't have more attention are we going to use fixed_width on the community site ? (when the right column is gone)	[23:10]
marclaporte	let's try!	[23:12]
luciash	ok no idea why the menu doesn't look as good as before (padding)	[23:12]
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CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22966 10/branches/4.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 4.0beta1	[23:14]
luciash	marclaporte: check it out	[23:15]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22967 10/branches/4.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 4.0beta1	[23:16]
redflo	luciash: marclaporte: what do you think about this hotfix: do the chunk loading now and count pages from all pages. This brings tw.o to a stable state and one can implement a cache later?	[23:17]
luciash	if the counting will be faster... does it mean we will have pagination or not ?	[23:18]
redflo	pagination will not be exact	[23:19]
marclaporte	pkdille & nyloth are the pagination experts	[23:19]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22968 10/tags/4.0beta1/: [REL] Tagging release	[23:20]
marclaporte	I think the goal was to have constant pagination, which is possible for small sites, but not good performance-wise for large sites	[23:20]
redflo	you have to cache permission results on busy sites (many page adds per minute) this will never be exact	[23:21]
marclaporte	So perhaps something like search results will be the answer. There is an option in the "performance" admin panel to set if perms are checked upon	[23:22]
redflo	dont know if this option helps in 4.x since permission system changed	[23:23]
luciash	redflo: maybe cache is not necessary, just storing on each page change the correct +1 or -1 count for pagination, which would be only queried then instead of counting and checking perms of all pages on the fly i mean the total number	[23:23]
redflo	luciash: but you have to do that for every object - not just pages, and every group and then what happens if a user is member of many groups?	[23:24]
luciash	as i said it has to be cleverly designed... you would need query the count only for group with highest perms for that object, etc. i am sure it is not for 4.0 or even 4.1 maybe 5 marclaporte: keep tw.o on fixed_width or rollback ? marclaporte: i am not sure it is better	[23:26]
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marclaporte	luciash : needs a bit of work but promising! (I prefer) menu is weird maybe we need to regroup elements, because there is less space	[23:31]
luciash	it is weird in fullwidth either	[23:34]
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luciash	or move it below when possible	[23:34]
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luciash	going to switch back until it looks better and svnupped	[23:40]
pkdille	I am currently uploading the tiki4.0 beta1 tarballs to soureforge	[23:42]
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pkdille	we did some checks ... it seems ok (at least for installation or upgrade) but, some more tests would not be useless	[23:42]
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marclaporte	good job pkdille marclaporte head to SF to test	[23:45]
pkdille	nyloth did the main job :-)	[23:45]
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marclaporte	marclaporte will try with EasyPHP (hadn't played with it in a long time)	[23:50]
redflo	marclaporte: about to send a hotfix witch should help for performance but has no exact pagination	[23:51]
xavi	luciash: the mindmap site you said is not working for me either	[23:51]
luciash	it should work, you just have to wait a bit	[23:52]
marclaporte	inexact pagination vs crashed site	[23:52]
redflo	yes	[23:52]
marclaporte	decisions decisions :-)	[23:52]
luciash	xavi: works for me	[23:52]
marclaporte	so does this only affect large sites?	[23:52]
redflo	i think so	[23:52]
marclaporte	so why not a checkbox in performance admin panel?	[23:53]
redflo	i'll mark it as hotfix - so i have no problem if someone rolls back	[23:53]
marclaporte	ok it will start discussion on mailing list on how to deal with this dev & doc are crashed again	[23:53]
redflo	can you try there? then	[23:55]
marclaporte	how come community site handles better than doc & dev?	[23:55]
CIA-78	tikiwiki: 03redflo * r22969 10/branches/4.x/lib/tikilib.php: tikiwiki: Hotfix for performance problem. will introduce inexact pagination. Roll tikiwiki: back if final fix is made!	[23:55]
marclaporte	sure, changi\|wondering or amette can svn up or sylvieg	[23:55]
xavi	luciash: I see some content there, but couldn't see anything beforehand, and clicking on the icons didn't do anything to me (maybe because I was not registered)	[23:57]
marclaporte	marclaporte conveniently avoids having access to more servers than already is the case	[23:57]
xavi	luciash: if you know how MindMap works, I wish you could add a couple of lines with indications on how to use it... at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MindMap , whenever doc is up again	[23:58]

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