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DeathBadger | I just installed Tiki4 (grabbed latest zip file a few hours ago). Install seemed to go OK and got to the page with two buttons (one to enter wiki with lock, the other without lock). When I click either button I get a System Error - could not find driver. Any ideas? | [03:10] |
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luciash | DeathBadger: Tiki 4 or 3.3 ? | [03:32] |
DeathBadger | Tiki 4 | [03:32] |
luciash | DeathBadger: what driver (what is the error sentence ?)
just like that ? | [03:32] |
DeathBadger | The entire line is "could not find driver" | [03:33] |
luciash | ah :-/
you meet all requirements ? | [03:33] |
DeathBadger | I think so, I've got Tiki3 running on same machine | [03:34] |
luciash | php5 compiled with mysql, php-pdo, etc. ?
weird error, nothing in logs ? | [03:34] |
DeathBadger | I grepped all files in Tiki4 directory for "could not find driver" and don't see it, so I presume this error text is coming from another library
Let me double-check PHP config | [03:34] |
luciash | do you have php with pdo support ? | [03:35] |
DeathBadger | PDO drivers = sqlite2, sqlite
No MySQL... I guess I need the MySQL PDO driver then? | [03:37] |
luciash | you need one for mysql i think
or switch to adodb | [03:37] |
DeathBadger | Ah | [03:37] |
luciash | i wonder it doesn't fallback automagically | [03:38] |
DeathBadger | I think I'll try that
Can you remind me where to change it? I read it once but never did nit (never did it) | [03:38] |
luciash | you need to go to... well, same here :-p | [03:38] |
DeathBadger | OK, I'll RTFM! | [03:38] |
luciash | i heard it from sylvie here
it must be tiki-setup_base.php or something, but maybe other setup file | [03:38] |
DeathBadger | Looks like db/local.php has database config stuff, including (in my case) this line: $db_tiki='mysqli';
Perhaps something is still trying to use PDO even though local.php is set up as mysqli... | [03:42] |
luciash | mysqli is fine, it must be some other line yet which has to be changed
mysqli doesn't determine pdo Sug4r: last --from sylvieg --with adodb | [03:44] |
Sug4r | Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 215 messages. | [03:46] |
luciash | hm, too short history, sorry | [03:46] |
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luciash | DeathBadger: you can search for it at http://irc.tikiwiki.org though | [04:06] |
DeathBadger | I installed on a different server (PHP has PDO w/ MySQL driver) and it is working OK. I will probably update the PHP installation on the original server, but my primary goal is to play with Tiki4 so will continue with second server for now
Thanks for your input | [04:11] |
luciash | welcome | [04:11] |
luciash likes the stars in Tiki4 trackers rating :)
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chibaguy | polom | [08:31] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22950 10/branches/4.x/styles/strasa/options/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Left-column top and bottom graphics suited to flush-left position. | [08:39] |
luciash | hi gary, thank you ! | [08:41] |
chibaguy | sure, was quick and easy.
I'm trying some different body background images now. | [08:54] |
luciash | cool, though i kind of liked the one color plain bg too | [09:06] |
chibaguy | yes, i think one color would be good too. i can do some screenshots and post them on tikiwiki-art, if that's the best way to get opinions. | [09:11] |
luciash | well, in devel list there is lower limit so you cannot send too big screenies there :-/ | [09:12] |
chibaguy | ok, well, I can put them in a gallery and post urls. | [09:13] |
luciash | yep
depends if you want wider audience or just some artwork interested people ;) | [09:13] |
chibaguy | one idea about the calendar_new in a module, to avoid the pile of buttons (Today, Day, Week, etc.) is to make the buttons' div overflow: auto so it get a scrollbar. What do you think?
or else display:none unless it's important to allow a choice. tho quarter or semester or year in a side column is more comical than useful. | [09:14] |
luciash | maybe better would be (as a quick fix) display: none but i have been also thinking about how to make nice scrolling left/right (horizontal) without having ugly big scrollbar and still made accessible/user fiendly way...
actually i was thinking about this for the tabs so they would behave a la tabs in browsers i agree, it is confusing and doesn't look good there | [09:16] |
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chibaguy | Alternative ideas for Strasa Fixed body background: http://zukakakina.com/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?view=browse&galleryId=12 | [10:28] |
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luciash | chibaguy: i like 1 and 3, more 3 because the dark background makes the content step out | [10:36] |
chibaguy | if you think this would be an improvement, I can commit the files, or wait for more opinions. | [10:40] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22951 10/branches/4.x/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Moved arrow down slightly in topbar suckerfish menu. | [10:52] |
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timo___ | Hi! I was hoping maybe somebody knows an answer to this - I could't find a solution by checking out the tiki documentation. I just installed Tikiwiki on my server, and the installation seemed to have gone ok. When I want to change the content of my homepage, though...
the error "Failed opening required 'Zend/Filter/Interface.php' (include_path='.') in /var/www/web127/html/wiki/lib/core/lib/Zend/Filter/StripTags.php" occurs. The file "interface" exists and has the corrent rw-rights. From some posts I read it seemed like... ...maybe it has to do with the include path...does anybody has an idea? Thanks a lot!! | [11:20] |
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Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Tiki 3.3 installed -> Fatal error: Failed opening required 'Zend/Filter/Interface.php' - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=35153 | [12:08] |
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luciash | fresh install http://localhost/tikibranch4/tiki-admin_content_templates.php :
"You do not have permission to use this feature" as admin i thought admin has superpowers ;) | [12:22] |
http://localhost/tikibranch4/tiki-sqllog.php
"This feature is disabled: adodb" i didn't know it is possible to enable in Tiki admin, where is the feature checkbox ? | [12:30] | |
at Admin → L&F → General layout options next to the "Breadcrumbs" there is help icon and the cool(tool)tip says: "Uses Google Translate to translate the content of wiki pages to other languages" ???
actually all the help icons on that page say that (the same) ??? | [12:40] | |
Kimberlee | Luci- not that this is related, but I had weird problems with a fresh install yesterday with adodb and finally discovered somehow I was missing some of the lib files | [12:49] |
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Kimberlee | bbl | [13:24] |
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LordVan | hi
does anyone know why doc.tikiwiki.org is slower than my 14.400 modem back then? ;) | [13:37] |
luciash | some say it's Microsoft's fault ;) | [13:39] |
LordVan | then get them to fix it ^^
no seriously .. i want to look up about upgrading 3.0 beta to 3.3 | [13:39] |
luciash | no, really, MSNbot crawler could be the culprit
but i doubt it | [13:40] |
LordVan | hmmm | [13:40] |
luciash | should be pretty smooth
the upgrade | [13:40] |
LordVan | make backup
drop new files into dir conn to db -> done? (no real custom themes or anything) | [13:40] |
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luciash | ok, i would unzip the package in the home dir then, copy the db/local.php, files/* from old tiki to tikiwiki-3.3/, then rename public_html to public_html-backup, then rename tikiwiki-3.3 to public_html, then go to tiki-install.php and run the upgrade step
luciash repeating himself | [13:42] |
LordVan | :d | [13:42] |
xavi | toctoc | [13:42] |
LordVan | well i'd look it up in docs but the page has been loading for 10min+
hi | [13:42] |
luciash | but for 3.x to 3.x it should be enough to overwrite files | [13:42] |
LordVan | :D | [13:42] |
luciash | no need to create fresh dir i guess
hola xavi | [13:43] |
LordVan | i also wanted to look up the run multiple sites with one copy of the files thing but that's not that important | [13:43] |
luciash | multitiki ? | [13:43] |
LordVan | yeah | [13:43] |
xavi | sylvieg, I'll be at home today (the next 5h or so) so if you wish to tell me about the different types of multitiki installations, etc., I would do my best to upgrade the documentation
hi luciash :-) | [13:43] |
luciash | never tried myself and that is so long there in :-p | [13:44] |
xavi | ... if doc.tw.o is up, of course | [13:44] |
LordVan | up is relative does 10min per page load count as up for u ? ;) | [13:44] |
xavi | xavi hides in other windows of his desktop... (upgrading karmic on the macbookpro) | [13:45] |
LordVan | afk | [13:46] |
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marclaporte | polom | [13:50] |
xavi | toctoc
hi community waiver :-) xavi wonders if waiver is written like this | [13:50] |
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CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r22952 10/branches/4.x/styles/ (16 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] Fixed_width.css option for each theme. | [14:14] |
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marclaporte | chibaguy : woohooo | [14:19] |
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LordVan | argh
reading about multitiki .. i think i won't use it (permission stuff, ..) | [14:39] |
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LordVan | alos i guess it'd be a pain to update them... or does anyone have experience with Multitiki? | [14:41] |
xavi | LordVan: I do | [14:46] |
LordVan | xavi, is it worth doing that for the problems with rewrite rules and permissions? or is it easier / preferred to just have seperate ones? | [14:51] |
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ohertel | Grrr... PHP Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required 'lib/core/lib/TikiDb/ErrorHandler.php'
Why are there always things changing that block a smooth upgrade? | [14:55] |
Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Documentation is down? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=35154 | [15:01] |
ohertel | Sure it is down, because after the darn upgrade tw.o gives a blank page now
and not writing a single error into the logs. | [15:01] |
Anyone here except me? | [15:11] | |
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ohertel | ok, as long as no one can give me a hint to get rid of the blank page tw.o is dead ... | [15:35] |
chibaguy | ohertel, sorry to hear, but have no ideas about the problems. | [15:37] |
ohertel | blank page and no error messages, thats pretty bad.
and get requests to tiki pages return 500 going to reboot the machine, maybe it has a library problem, whyever. reboot is due, anyway. | [15:37] |
chibaguy | ok | [15:44] |
ohertel | did not help. | [15:47] |
xavi | LordVan: sorry, I was away (lunch time)
LordVan: there is a summary made by marclaporte at page http://doc.tikiwiki.org/TRIM , afair there are less issues with rewrite rules than before, afaik. But in summary, it depends on what you need ohertel: sorry to hear that. No idea myself ohertel: was that upgading to latest trunk or to current 4.x svn branch? | [15:53] |
ohertel | 4.x | [15:56] |
xavi | i'll switch to 4.x in local just to test... | [15:57] |
ohertel | If I would get an error, that would help, but just a blank page is ridiculous. | [15:58] |
xavi | ohertel: do you have mod sercurity or similar on? | [16:00] |
ohertel | sure I have. | [16:00] |
xavi | anyway, forget it. No idea myself, sorry....
xavi still downloading latest 4.x to test it dev.tw.o is also down to me :-/ | [16:01] |
ohertel | sure...
it uses tw.o for login... | [16:01] |
xavi | but does dev.tw.o use tw.o to show the homepage? | [16:02] |
ohertel | no | [16:02] |
xavi | I can't even see the pages | [16:02] |
ohertel | strange. | [16:02] |
xavi | never ending loading process (to me, at lteast) | [16:02] |
chibaguy | my wamp localhost branch4.x works ok, not that that helps any. | [16:02] |
xavi | example: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4 or http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Download | [16:03] |
ohertel | hm, maybe it calls /tiki-integrator.php?file=cvsmonitor.pl on tw.o? Cause I see that request in my log. | [16:04] |
xavi | anybody remembers the command to switch svn trunk to svn 4.x? | [16:04] |
ohertel | I did a clean checkout via svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/4.x tikiwiki.org
switch should be svn switch https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/4.x | [16:04] |
xavi | thanks oliver | [16:06] |
LordVan | xavi, well i got several pages and i was thinking of having them all become tiki (2 r drupal now for example, 1 is just a couple of html pages)
and well i'm lazy ;) - in particular when it comes to updating web apps with databases | [16:06] |
xavi | LordVan: so am I, so welcome to MultiTiki world :-) | [16:07] |
LordVan | ;)
i will look aqt the link u posted .. (read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MultiTiki?bl=y so far) | [16:07] |
xavi | xavi knows that marclaporte would suggest you to look at TRIM
in short: if you want to have a centralized tiki, and manually running once the upgrade for the files, etc., and controlling the amount of space you use in your server, hen go the MultiTiki way.... if you fancy running scripts like TRIM, you meet its requirements, and you can hack the scripts if needed, and you don't mind wasting 90Mb for each tiki instance on your server, then TRIM might be the solution for you I've never worked with trim, so I don't kow how easy it is to work with it, beyond the documentation page for TRIM. However, I've been working with multitiki for 5+ years, and good enough and pretty well supported for end users... | [16:08] |
LordVan | i'm not so bothered by the space it needs .. ;) | [16:12] |
xavi | read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/TRIM . It might be a solution for you, then... and you could help to test it and bug report about it, if so...
and even improve the documentation :-) | [16:13] |
LordVan | hmm | [16:14] |
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LordVan | well in about 5-10 mins the trim page might have finished loading | [16:15] |
DeathBadger | I have installed Tiki4 and want to add the "Bug Tracker" profile but can't figure out how to add a profile. Can someone point me in the right direction? | [16:16] |
xavi | DeathBadger: you'd better read the basic info about profiles at http://profiles.tikiwiki.org
and then, go to "Admin home > Profiles" in your tiki installation to install whatever profile you need xavi thinks that there should be some basic info at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Profiles . And it that basic info is not there, you could, DeathBadger, update that documentation page with the information you would have liked to find there... | [16:17] |
DeathBadger | I did look at that page... what I didn't see was the "Profiles" link on the Admin Home page... doh! Thanks | [16:20] |
LordVan | xavi, btw how is migration from one single tiki instance to multitiki ? | [16:20] |
xavi | DeathBadger: you could update the doc page to state that information clearly, so taht other find that information on the doc. page | [16:20] |
DeathBadger | I shall | [16:21] |
xavi | LordVan: nope. you need to re-install that tiki in a multitiki... | [16:21] |
LordVan | ic is it enough to copy some files and re-conn. db? | [16:22] |
xavi | LordVan: files for each tiki fall under subdirectories at each special folder: temp img/wiki_up templates_c (etc)
LordVan: try in local first... you will see very quickly... | [16:22] |
LordVan | k
thanks will have a look and/or try | [16:22] |
xavi | np | [16:23] |
LordVan | afk a min | [16:23] |
xavi | LordVan: and also, if you want, you could create a new section in the documentation abot how to migrate a single tiki into a multitiki installation...
I might help to update your page/section once it's started... we all need to help to keep documentation pages complete and up to date... otherwise, our collective knowledge is not sustainable... | [16:23] |
ohertel | and we need to get back up tw.o ... | [16:28] |
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xavi | yes | [16:34] |
ohertel | tiki-index.php works till the last two commands.
It breaks somewhere inside smarty->display() | [16:35] |
xavi | ohertel, latest 4.x works for me on new installs
so it must be something related to the content in tw.o homepage, or side columns/modules or interaction with mod security or other security modules in your apache I would say... ohertel: did you try loading other pages with lest content? s/lest/less | [16:42] |
ohertel | yup
the rss feeds work, though. tiki-rss_forums and such. | [16:44] |
xavi | did you try loadig any page with tiki-index_p.php ?
(without side columns) | [16:45] |
ohertel | that works. | [16:45] |
xavi | example: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index_p.php?page=TikiLiveCD works
so ... some issue on side columns? | [16:46] |
ohertel | They worked till now. | [16:46] |
xavi | maybe enabling & disabling some modules? (trial and error)
yes... just suggesting how to get some more information on where the new bug must be... | [16:47] |
ohertel | how?
fiddling the database manually? P | [16:47] |
xavi | directly through database | [16:47] |
ohertel | pfft. | [16:47] |
xavi | oh well...
my 2 cens | [16:47] |
ohertel | ^
I still think the whole breakup into a 1000 .tw.o pages is ridiculous. | [16:48] |
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xavi | ohertel: I agree | [16:48] |
ohertel | It should be on ONE server instead and that one be well maintained instead of having it split up and none really well maintained.
Would keep away trouble like 'belongs this page to docs. or dev. or info ...?' too... | [16:48] |
xavi | however, I also agree with marclaporte that this procedure helps bug finding (and hopefully bug fixing) the current 4.x much faster... | [16:49] |
ohertel | which procedure?
We should have a main page and a testing page. period. | [16:50] |
xavi | ohertel... not sure that I agree on the 1 big server versus several servers with different sites...
network of smaller nodes is always more resilient than just a big central node and this is try for most systems... whatever type of systems they are... for sure, we need people being able to maintain them... | [16:50] |
ohertel | Hm, columns are in preferences table, righr? | [16:52] |
xavi | and since we have very sophisticated virtualized servers, afaik, less people is skilled enough to handle them... | [16:52] |
ohertel | Is it feature_left_column or cms_left_column? ,) | [16:52] |
xavi | searching in a local 4.x | [16:54] |
chibaguy | feature_left_column | [16:56] |
ohertel | thats set to "user" | [16:56] |
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chibaguy | yes, that displays link to allow user choice | [16:56] |
ohertel | hm, grep over db/* doesnt give me any hits... where is that definied? | [16:57] |
xavi | feature_left_column
ah, chibaguy , you got it first :-) | [16:57] |
chibaguy | in tiki_preferences table | [16:57] |
ohertel | Yah
but where is it defined? Its not in tiki.sql and any other I looked in. | [16:58] |
xavi | s/this is try/this is true | [16:58] |
chibaguy | defined for a new site? in lib/setup/prefs.php I think | [17:00] |
xavi | ohertel, maybe in the sql at the ./installer/schema ?
s/sql/sqls ah, ok, chibaguy is right | [17:00] |
ohertel | yes, there it is.
ok, set to "n" for both columns, still blank page | [17:00] |
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ohertel | top bar and bottom bar off, still not working. | [17:03] |
xavi | ohertel: clear tiki caches | [17:04] |
nkoth | ohertel: any php errors? | [17:04] |
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ohertel | xavi: ah true, forgot. ,) | [17:04] |
xavi | yes, same happened to me in my local trial ;-) | [17:05] |
ohertel | nope, nothing. cleared temp, modules/cache never has any stuff in, and cleared templates_c | [17:05] |
chibaguy | In Opera, I'm getting this error for (in this case) tiki-listpages.php: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 50331648 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 5404 bytes) in /var/www/tikiwiki.org/lib/core/lib/TikiDb/Pdo.php on line 84 | [17:07] |
ohertel | Quite a bit, eh? | [17:08] |
chibaguy | (tikiwiki.org/tiki-listpages.php) | [17:08] |
ohertel | Till before 4.x we could run well with 32MB ...
So something's messed up greatly in 4.x? | [17:08] |
nkoth | tw.o runs now for me
wait http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-login_scr.php runs | [17:08] |
ohertel | http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=35154 still doesnt work for me ... | [17:09] |
nkoth | try increasing max memory... but I am not sure that's it | [17:09] |
ohertel | I did, its at 64MB now, which is ridiculously high. | [17:09] |
chibaguy | latest try: "Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes)" | [17:10] |
ohertel | Thats ridiculous ... what did you do in 4.x? | [17:10] |
nkoth | from the errors it looks like just PDO thats choking | [17:11] |
ohertel | hm
Ok, switched to adodb, now I get the tiki-forums.php but tiki-index.php still gives me Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 2 bytes) in /v So we have a memory hog here now. | [17:11] |
nkoth | http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php works for me now | [17:13] |
ohertel | Not for me. Maybe I see more when logged in. | [17:13] |
nkoth | (I'm not logged in) | [17:13] |
ohertel | but I am.
So eating more memory. Ok, with 128 MB I see the page. But thats for debugging only, there is no way that Tiki shall run with 128 MB memory in php.ini ... maybe we can clean up the junk on tw.o columns a bit? it's cluttered all over... And it looks like Menu entries are not html-parsed ... I see ä in plain in german menus ... that worked before. | [17:13] |
nkoth | hmm - but this is good dogfood anyhow | [17:19] |
ohertel | Yah, we just found out that isnt not working well. ^^
that it's so how do we fix this now? I cant let this run with 128MB per php process ... | [17:19] |
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nkoth | it does seem like a lot to me, I wonder what is causing it
(I mean - I have loaded other pages with 32mb on other sites) | [17:21] |
ohertel | yah
we have big pages too at work.. with many links and categories and stuff. | [17:22] |
nkoth | I wonder if a smaller page will need as much memory... (probably yes right?) | [17:24] |
ohertel | No, we saw that pages with less included stuff need less memory. | [17:24] |
nkoth | ok maybe it's something specific, maybe the page translation module
*or maybe | [17:24] |
ohertel | the same page logged in -> borked, not logged in -> works | [17:24] |
nkoth | apge translation is shown only when logged in
well the only difference between logged in and logged out for tiki-index.php is the modules maybe last forum posts? Maybe the forums are the problem? can we try that? | [17:25] |
chibaguy | time to sleep here. g'night | [17:28] |
ohertel | sure, one sec.
bye chibaguy | [17:28] |
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ohertel | ok, is off now, caches cleared, mem to 32M, restarted
and blank page is back. | [17:32] |
nkoth | try removing the since your last visit module | [17:33] |
ohertel | But you dont see that when not logged in. | [17:34] |
nkoth | umm right | [17:34] |
ohertel | And you still get blank page. | [17:34] |
nkoth | ok... thinking
but a normal tiki-index.php page is not too demanding i can't believe 32mb is not enough | [17:34] |
ohertel | me neither | [17:35] |
Tikiwiki|bot | Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project. | [17:36] |
nkoth | now even http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-login_scr.php does not work for me | [17:36] |
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ohertel | I set it back to 128 for now. | [17:38] |
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ohertel | and yay, back it is. darn ... | [17:39] |
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ohertel | How do I add a statement to not output to webserver but to logfile? | [17:40] |
nkoth | errors? | [17:40] |
ohertel | yah, to log memory usage to log? | [17:40] |
nkoth | don't know
well, one solution is to revert and then to reproduce this on another machine and then work on the problem there | [17:41] |
ohertel | Ah, error_log() | [17:42] |
nkoth | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.error-log.php | [17:42] |
ohertel | So where to add it best? .P | [17:43] |
nkoth | maybe I can create a ubuntu amazon aws?
But I need to go out now.... | [17:44] |
ohertel | Sure, have fun. | [17:44] |
nkoth | do you have any other ideas? | [17:44] |
ohertel | I'll do some testing, but no idea yet. | [17:45] |
nkoth | ok. sorry I have to go | [17:46] |
ohertel | Sure.
Ok, at one point memory usage jumps from 5 to 40 mb ... between 2 query() to the db. | [17:46] |
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ohertel | Wahhh ..... "select tp.* from `tiki_pages` as tp order by `lastModif` desc"
That only loads ALL wiki pages ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr who did this... That makes memory usage jump from 9 to 47 MB ... | [17:55] |
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mlaporte | polom | [18:17] |
xavi | toctoc
ohertel: you seem to have found the root of the problem, then... mlaporte: did you know that dev.tw.o is down? | [18:18] |
mlaporte | mlaporte is pleased community site is at tiki4
I just saw that | [18:19] |
xavi | I pinged amette an hour ago or so... with no success | [18:19] |
mlaporte | changi|sleeping: is doing more server stuff these days | [18:22] |
xavi | ok
btw, mlaporte: do you know anywhere where the mindmap feature in tiki is working? I'm afraid that this feature is not documented yet | [18:24] |
mlaporte: fyi. doc.tw.o is taking ages also to respond... I tried this one: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MindMap
maybe also the memory consumption issue is killing those sites... | [18:32] | |
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xavi | bbl | [18:46] |
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CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22953 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [MOD] release script: adapt release script to the new name of branches (e.g. 4.x instead of 4.0) | [19:51] |
luciash | re-polom
xavi ? | [19:55] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22954 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [MOD] release script: adapt release script for 4.x | [20:03] |
amette | xavi: I put dev.tw.o back on it's feet... no idea why it is dead again... seems to be high load | [20:09] |
luciash | amette: scroll back, isn't it the same memory consumption problem ? | [20:12] |
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luciash | amette: bro, dev.tw.o doesn't load for me :(
trying with http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-login.php it looks like the narcolepsic tiki doesn't want to stand on its feets | [20:14] |
LordVan | hi
question i just updated my svn pre-3.0 tiki to 3.3 i added a gallery (image) and when i go to the image gallery list it shows it to me but the link it has ( /gallerie1 is wrong as the right one should be tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=1 any clue why this would happen? this is the first image gallery ever i added | [20:15] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22955 10/branches/4.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 4.0beta1 release | [20:17] |
luciash | LordVan: you have sefurls feature on
mlaporte: wouldn't it be better to pause the beta release process until we have fix for this memory leak problem ? | [20:17] |
LordVan | should have | [20:18] |
luciash | LordVan: and you have .htaccess enabled ? if not, then switch it off
the feature | [20:19] |
LordVan | how do i check again? somewhere in admin but i'm not sure where | [20:19] |
luciash | me neither from top of my head, probably Admin → Features | [20:20] |
LordVan | bleh .. i need to switch my admin to english .. ;= | [20:21] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22956 10/branches/4.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 4.0beta1 | [20:22] |
LordVan | sefurl are on
it in experimental tab of features page so i need to put .htaccess off? | [20:22] |
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LordVan | ops
I suck news tarball mv _htaccess -> .htaccess -> :D | [20:24] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22957 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix displayed revision number after commit | [20:26] |
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luciash | mlaporte, pkdille ?
LordVan: :) pkdille: i take it as that you know about this memory problem and releasing the beta anyway as it is not trivial to fix, right ? | [20:39] |
pkdille | hello
yes, we will now release a 4.0 beta 1 anyway the problem seems not to be new (it seems not to be very clean to request all fields for all pages in one request....) | [20:50] |
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CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22958 10/branches/4.x/lang/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 4.0beta1 | [20:56] |
LordVan | odd .. i keep getting an error when trying to upload an image .. | [21:04] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22959 10/branches/4.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 4.0beta1 | [21:04] |
LordVan | strange agian same error
i wonder if it is the image or some other issue odd it worked now after i saved the image again from gimp | [21:05] |
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LordVan | prolly some problem processing the photo to make thumbnail ..
ah well as long as i know what causes it i can avoid it ;) afk now | [21:07] |
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CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22960 10/branches/4.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 4.0beta1 | [21:38] |
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ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte | [21:45] |
marclaporte | polom | [21:47] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22961 10/branches/4.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl: [FIX] database connection error template: fix broken smarty syntax | [21:56] |
changi|sleeping | pkdille: ping !!
changi|sleeping changi is looking for pkdille the crazy releaser :) | [21:57] |
pkdille | hi changi | [22:00] |
marclaporte | hi pkdille | [22:00] |
pkdille | hi Marc | [22:01] |
marclaporte | marclaporte is happy release script is running and smell of Tiki4Beta1 is in the air | [22:02] |
pkdille | yup ! | [22:03] |
marclaporte | Beta1 is a good name | [22:03] |
redflo | marclaporte: i try to make a hotfix for the performance issue
redflo just had a idea | [22:07] |
marclaporte | marclaporte likes redflo's ideas | [22:09] |
changi|sleeping | pkdille : do you know how to deactivate pagination ? | [22:10] |
redflo | judge after implementation
:-) | [22:10] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22962 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix message when SecDB file is created. | [22:11] |
marclaporte | marclaporte thinks it's very strange that we don't have a TikiFest in Germany as there are so many Tikizens in Germany or nearby (Amette, ohertel, redflo, kissaki, FrankP_german) and all the Strasbourg team (changi, pkdill, sept_07, nyloth and jyhem)
marclaporte denies any rumors that he is looking for excuses to go to Germany... | [22:12] |
changi|sleeping | changi|sleeping LOL | [22:14] |
marclaporte | marclaporte strongly denies any insinuation that this any anything to do with the will to go to OktoberFest | [22:14] |
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changi|wondering | changi|wondering next year mayb
s/mayb/maybe/ | [22:14] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22963 10/branches/4.x/db/tiki-secdb_4.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 4.0beta1 | [22:14] |
changi|wondering | reflo : what's your fix ?
oups redflo sorry | [22:15] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r22964 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: fix debug-packaging option for build_packages step | [22:17] |
changi|wondering | changi|wondering nyloth is a release killer just like pkdille, cap in hand
changi|wondering really need to sleep, my little girl will wake me up on 7 tomorrow :), bye all everybody | [22:18] |
redflo | changi: load in chuncks and filter the chunks
stop if enough | [22:20] |
marclaporte | changi|wondering : : nothing can be done for dev before you sleep? | [22:20] |
changi|wondering | marclaporte dev is alive, no ? | [22:20] |
marclaporte | ah yes, now it is | [22:21] |
changi|wondering | :) | [22:21] |
marclaporte | perhaps we deactivate list pages? | [22:21] |
changi|wondering | i wake it up, just to go sleeping
just need to remove it from menu no ? | [22:21] |
marclaporte | it could be in search engines | [22:24] |
changi|wondering | you don't need me to do that ? | [22:24] |
marclaporte | no, I will
I was just wondering if that is the real issue perhaps it's pagination in search results | [22:26] |
changi|wondering | the principal mysql query on db0 is : select tp.* from `tiki_pages` as tp order by `lastModif` desc;
in fact all (google|msn|yahoo)bot who ask for pages run this sql query as MSNbot use 55 server for (botting <= love this word) it crawl down both server is it possible to make cache for this menu mods ? changi|wondering i'm not a developper, so i let you with my question :) have a good (day or night or what you want) | [22:28] |
marclaporte | thanks changi, your contribution is very very appreciated | [22:32] |
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marclaporte | redflo : Should we turn off anything on dev & doc to survive until there is a real fix? | [22:33] |
redflo | popbably pagination links? | [22:33] |
xavi | back for a few min (sorry I've been away)
reading back log | [22:36] |
luciash | wb xavi | [22:37] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22965 10/branches/4.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] database structure homogenization for a fresh 4.x installation and for a 3.x to 4.x upgraded tiki. | [22:38] |
luciash | xavi: the mindmap on tw.o fails to load because of so many wiki pages
(or it takes too long i wasn't patient enough to wait) | [22:40] |
redflo | damn
my idea breaks pagination links | [22:52] |
luciash | redflo: sure
redflo: you need to count all wiki pages to have proper pagination i think there is no easy way out of this unless the count would be cached for a while maybe until someone creates new wiki page or deletes one | [22:52] |
redflo | or you estimate
like google does or did | [22:54] |
luciash | yep
but why couldn't there be a table column where the number of wiki pages is stored and updated depending on action with a wiki page ? then you'd just need to query that number | [22:55] |
redflo | wycsiwyca is the problem
every user has another page count depending on permissions | [22:56] |
luciash | well, it would of course need to be thinked properly and maybe have more columns for different access groups with different numbers depending on wysiwyca
so for anonymous there would be different count stored than for Admins, etc. | [22:57] |
redflo | or a per user object access cache | [22:58] |
luciash | yep | [22:58] |
redflo | table | [22:58] |
luciash | i think that would definitely improve performance | [22:59] |
redflo | marclaporte: no hot fix - this is something that takes some time | [22:59] |
marclaporte | ok | [23:03] |
luciash | marclaporte: made tiki community pages more easy to share using the sharethis plugin... is it ok ? | [23:08] |
marclaporte | great idea!!!
Dogfood and backlinks :-) | [23:10] |
luciash | also just added blogs to the top menu, a pity they don't have more attention
are we going to use fixed_width on the community site ? (when the right column is gone) | [23:10] |
marclaporte | let's try! | [23:12] |
luciash | ok
no idea why the menu doesn't look as good as before (padding) | [23:12] |
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CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22966 10/branches/4.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 4.0beta1 | [23:14] |
luciash | marclaporte: check it out | [23:15] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22967 10/branches/4.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 4.0beta1 | [23:16] |
redflo | luciash: marclaporte: what do you think about this hotfix: do the chunk loading now and count pages from all pages. This brings tw.o to a stable state and one can implement a cache later? | [23:17] |
luciash | if the counting will be faster... does it mean we will have pagination or not ? | [23:18] |
redflo | pagination will not be exact | [23:19] |
marclaporte | pkdille & nyloth are the pagination experts | [23:19] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r22968 10/tags/4.0beta1/: [REL] Tagging release | [23:20] |
marclaporte | I think the goal was to have constant pagination, which is possible for small sites, but not good performance-wise for large sites | [23:20] |
redflo | you have to cache permission results
on busy sites (many page adds per minute) this will never be exact | [23:21] |
marclaporte | So perhaps something like search results will be the answer. There is an option in the "performance" admin panel to set if perms are checked upon | [23:22] |
redflo | dont know if this option helps in 4.x
since permission system changed | [23:23] |
luciash | redflo: maybe cache is not necessary, just storing on each page change the correct +1 or -1 count for pagination, which would be only queried then instead of counting and checking perms of all pages on the fly
i mean the total number | [23:23] |
redflo | luciash: but you have to do that for every object - not just pages, and every group and then what happens if a user is member of many groups? | [23:24] |
luciash | as i said it has to be cleverly designed... you would need query the count only for group with highest perms for that object, etc.
i am sure it is not for 4.0 or even 4.1 maybe 5 marclaporte: keep tw.o on fixed_width or rollback ? marclaporte: i am not sure it is better | [23:26] |
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marclaporte | luciash : needs a bit of work but promising! (I prefer)
menu is weird maybe we need to regroup elements, because there is less space | [23:31] |
luciash | it is weird in fullwidth either | [23:34] |
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luciash | or move it below when possible | [23:34] |
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luciash | going to switch back until it looks better and svnupped | [23:40] |
pkdille | I am currently uploading the tiki4.0 beta1 tarballs to soureforge | [23:42] |
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pkdille | we did some checks ... it seems ok (at least for installation or upgrade)
but, some more tests would not be useless | [23:42] |
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marclaporte | good job pkdille
marclaporte head to SF to test | [23:45] |
pkdille | nyloth did the main job :-) | [23:45] |
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marclaporte | marclaporte will try with EasyPHP (hadn't played with it in a long time) | [23:50] |
redflo | marclaporte: about to send a hotfix witch should help for performance
but has no exact pagination | [23:51] |
xavi | luciash: the mindmap site you said is not working for me either | [23:51] |
luciash | it should work, you just have to wait a bit | [23:52] |
marclaporte | inexact pagination vs crashed site | [23:52] |
redflo | yes | [23:52] |
marclaporte | decisions decisions :-) | [23:52] |
luciash | xavi: works for me | [23:52] |
marclaporte | so does this only affect large sites? | [23:52] |
redflo | i think so | [23:52] |
marclaporte | so why not a checkbox in performance admin panel? | [23:53] |
redflo | i'll mark it as hotfix - so i have no problem if someone rolls back | [23:53] |
marclaporte | ok
it will start discussion on mailing list on how to deal with this dev & doc are crashed again | [23:53] |
redflo | can you try there?
then | [23:55] |
marclaporte | how come community site handles better than doc & dev? | [23:55] |
CIA-78 | tikiwiki: 03redflo * r22969 10/branches/4.x/lib/tikilib.php:
tikiwiki: Hotfix for performance problem. will introduce inexact pagination. Roll tikiwiki: back if final fix is made! | [23:55] |
marclaporte | sure, changi|wondering or amette can svn up
or sylvieg | [23:55] |
xavi | luciash: I see some content there, but couldn't see anything beforehand, and clicking on the icons didn't do anything to me (maybe because I was not registered) | [23:57] |
marclaporte | marclaporte conveniently avoids having access to more servers than already is the case | [23:57] |
xavi | luciash: if you know how MindMap works, I wish you could add a couple of lines with indications on how to use it... at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/MindMap , whenever doc is up again | [23:58] |
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