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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24058 10/trunk/lib/prefs/ (auth.php global.php): [ENH] Dynamic preference 1- make unchangeable per perspective 2 various minor fixes | [00:35] |
| marclaporte | indro : can you fix?
indro : fixing a translation is easy http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Commit | [00:37] |
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| indro | will do tomorrow, going to sleep now, gn8. ;) | [00:49] |
| marclaporte | super! take care | [00:50] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r24059 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [FIX] Link styles should use standard properties rather than border-bottom to be covered by theme stylesheet overrides. | [05:31] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: How to get clean Category index like seen on tiki-browse_categories.php page? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35776 | [12:07] |
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| RavenC | hello all | [13:37] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r24065 10/mods/trunk/themes/litejazz_tiki_4/ (36 files in 10 dirs): [NEW] LiteJazz theme for Tiki 4. Now uses *lite.css layout method, and red and green variations via theme options. | [14:04] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Wisiwyg 4.1 : Save modifications of page ignored if you edit the same page several time ... - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35778 | [14:51] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r24066 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic: dynamic preferences in admin textarea template | [15:12] |
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| svenstaro | Hey, I want to use tikiwiki in favor of mediawiki this time, I'm wondering wether if I only want a wiki I should still use it? | [15:22] |
| marclaporte | do you need multilingual? | [15:22] |
| svenstaro | No
I want to keep it english all the way | [15:23] |
| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24067 10/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to define required sets of categories and the fallback. | [15:24] |
| svenstaro | So...? :) | [15:28] |
| marclaporte | if your users are more used to MediaWiki... | [15:32] |
| svenstaro | Isn't everybody due to wikipedia? | [15:32] |
| marclaporte | many times, it's all new users | [15:33] |
| svenstaro | I'm trying out tikiwiki and want to see if it's nicer to work with
It will be | [15:33] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : well, I would love if you tested and gave feedback | [15:33] |
| svenstaro | Mh | [15:33] |
| marclaporte | I am not aware of any significant feature that MediaWiki has that Tiki doesn't | [15:34] |
| svenstaro | Well it is a bit of a major decision so I'd like to hear your opinion first. I don't know if switching wikis inbetween is an easy task | [15:34] |
| marclaporte | And UI of Tiki4 is quite nice | [15:34] |
| svenstaro | I'm not particualrly in favor of mediawiki but I heard some good things about tiki
Can I use Tiki as a wiki only? | [15:34] |
| marclaporte | yes, of course | [15:34] |
| svenstaro | I don't want all the other stuff | [15:34] |
| marclaporte | but it's when you need more that it shines | [15:35] |
| chibaguy | marclaporte: you wrote a comparison page, didn't you? | [15:35] |
| marclaporte | Do you want threaded comments? | [15:35] |
| svenstaro | Can I enable/diable features on the fly? | [15:35] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : yup | [15:35] |
| svenstaro | Threaded comments on a wiki?
Well I guess it'd be nice I | [15:35] |
| marclaporte | yup, at the bottom of the page (instead of talk page)
I find talk pages a bit messy | [15:35] |
| svenstaro | I'm more interested in the automatic content generation for indexes and that kind of stuff
It does that right | [15:36] |
| marclaporte | you mean like table of content? | [15:36] |
| svenstaro | No, mediawiki does that too. I mean an automatic listing and grepping of the description of a bunch of grouped pages
as in here http://www.jacmoe.dk/tiki/files/ogrewiki1.htm | [15:37] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/TikiWiki+vs+MediaWiki | [15:37] |
| svenstaro | oh dear | [15:37] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/Nobody+ever+got+fired+for+picking+MediaWiki
svenstaro : did you make that screencast? | [15:38] |
| svenstaro | No, I watched it :P
I think this is awesome http://test.ogitor.org/tiki/Tutorials The boxes are made using an include only and are automatically generated or this http://test.ogitor.org/tiki/Basic+Tutorials That is awesome imo :) | [15:40] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : will you need any structured data? | [15:42] |
| svenstaro | Yes | [15:42] |
| marclaporte | yeah, jacmoe was busy :-) | [15:43] |
| Tobbi | Hi, everyone. I'm currently working on an easy patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535316 What is the variable, the user language is stored in? | [15:43] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : please see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Trackers
{prefs.language} | [15:43] |
| Tobbi | marclaporte: Okay, wait a moment. | [15:44] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro do you think you will have not just wiki projects down the road?
Tobbi : that is in Tiki3 and up (not sure about 1.10 that SUMO is using) | [15:44] |
| svenstaro | Well we use github as much as possible but as some point we might need more sophisticated issue tracking with git and svn integration | [15:45] |
| Tobbi | marclaporte: Okay. | [15:46] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : we would like to improve Tiki integration with SVN as well (and perhaps GIT if we start using that one day) | [15:46] |
| Tobbi | marclaporte: I hope I can catch paulc or anyone else from sumodev, then. | [15:46] |
| svenstaro | So the tiki issue tracker does not support git in that way? | [15:46] |
| marclaporte | correct. Just vaporware for now http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Code+Review | [15:46] |
| svenstaro | :( | [15:47] |
| marclaporte | but would like to be closer to Trac for this | [15:47] |
| svenstaro | Then we'll probably use redmine for that | [15:47] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : I'd like you to read one page | [15:47] |
| svenstaro | Does tiki do issues like flyspray? | [15:48] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/Model
yes, tiki has issue/bug tracker | [15:48] |
| svenstaro | I mean, how sophisticated is it? I really like clean interfaces rather than cluttered ones but sophisticated interfaces tend to get cluttered up.
To be quite honest, the tikiwikis I've seen till now all look somewhat cluttered. Why is there a shoutbox even on the tw.org page? Also, latest changes are not relevant to most users I suppose | [15:49] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : just don't activate features, and you'll avoid clutter
A reason Tiki sites are cluttered is that Tiki has so many features, and they are so easy to activate (flip a switch) that people tend to activate too many things svenstaro: bug tracker is very powerful svenstaro: again, you can keep simple by having less fields | [15:50] |
| svenstaro | Can you point me to one on a project not tw itself? | [15:52] |
| marclaporte | http://support.mozilla.com/ | [15:53] |
| svenstaro | They use bugzilla though | [15:53] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/Nice+Sites
yes, that is for wiki & forums | [15:53] |
| svenstaro | Wait, I mean bugs, not a FAQ | [15:53] |
| marclaporte | ok
public stuff, nothing comes to mind (I have issue trackers) but just look at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/ and imagine having less fields our challenge is that we have a wishlist (for bugs and feature requests) with 100+ feature-categories You can just configure with a few fields do you have a live instance of Tiki? | [15:53] |
| svenstaro | Not yet
To be frank I got a little discouraged by all those 3 column pages with 400 pixels of content | [15:58] |
| marclaporte | http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/
yes, information overload! | [15:59] |
| svenstaro | Indeed | [16:01] |
| marclaporte | http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker -> Tiki4 with OpenID and Bug_Tracker profile
http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Bug_Tracker it really depends what you need The more features/flexibility and integration, the more Tiki is a great choice :-) | [16:02] |
| svenstaro | So basically I need to do my own database model to create a bug tracker? | [16:05] |
| marclaporte | yes
or use a profile it takes a few minutes to make so you have the data model you want instead of too few or too many fields and you build your reports in wiki pages a few minutes as well http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker -> 10 minutes to make | [16:06] |
| svenstaro | Er wait, so if a user enters a bug he needs to type in YAML like the sample data? | [16:09] |
| marclaporte | svenstaro : did you get password in private message?
no!!! | [16:09] |
| svenstaro | Yes | [16:10] |
| marclaporte | YAML is for solution builders
say you want to deploy 50 bug trackers end users fill in a form to report a bug like here: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker to edit your field types: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php?trackerId=3 so it's a generic database builder, that we so happen to use as a bug/issue tracker | [16:10] |
| svenstaro | How can I eliminate the rightmost column from the admin? | [16:16] |
| marclaporte | admin -> modules -> remove all modules | [16:16] |
| svenstaro | How though? No module controls are shown | [16:17] |
| marclaporte | or admin -> look & feel -> general layout options -> Right column:
http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-admin_modules.php | [16:18] |
| svenstaro | well this looks much more acceptable
We have nice GD captchas right? | [16:20] |
| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24068 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-show_page.tpl tiki-editpage.php): [FIX] Mozilla upstream. Make sure staging copy exists.
tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r24069 10/trunk/templates/prefs/radio.tpl: [MOD] lesser magic: print name field to radio type prefs | [16:20] |
| svenstaro | Or do you? the current registration captcha is a joke on http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-register.php
Can I make it use recaptcha or similar? | [16:24] |
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| RavenC | Groupmail = mega awesome! :) | [17:14] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24070 10/trunk/ (11 files in 6 dirs): [NEW] Mozilla upstream. Wiki page keyword manager | [17:46] |
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| tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24072 10/branches/experimental/lesser-magic/: [KIL] Lesser magic was merged long ago
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24073 10/branches/experimental/perms-take2/: [KIL] Perms revamp was merged long ago | [18:10] | |
| SEWilco2 | Yay! Coding during the holidays! :-)
SEWilco2 spent yesterday coding in a different project. (Well, at present it's an unrelated project - web chat program that I'll try to integrate with TW) | [18:15] |
| RavenC | fun! :) | [18:21] |
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| ricks99 | hi all :-) | [19:06] |
| RavenC | hiya rickss99 | [19:06] |
| ricks99 | ricks99 was curious if anyone was around during the holidays... | [19:07] |
| marclaporte | marclaporte is around
marclaporte hopes to see ricks99 in NY | [19:08] |
| ricks99 | hiya RavenC & marclaporte
too cold :-) I've done my time in NY already | [19:08] |
| RavenC | RavenC wishing I could be in NY ! | [19:09] |
| ricks99 | marc: ur tiki5 schedule looks ambitious - but good! | [19:09] |
| marclaporte | hehe | [19:10] |
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| marclaporte | ricks99 : we need to finish dynamic prefs absolutely before Tiki5, so we can have searchable prefs
In case you have some time | [19:11] |
| ricks99 | i hope to have some free time next several weeks - want to work on getting docs up to date (many pages are still 2.x). will look @ dynamic prefs, too | [19:12] |
| marclaporte | Admin panels are so much easier to use now, but still too difficult without search
super! | [19:12] |
| ricks99 | also trying to get the tikihelp/webhelp working | [19:12] |
| marclaporte | :-) | [19:12] |
| ricks99 | ricks99 really would love an easy tiki -> html mechanism | [19:12] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24074 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Restrict similar pages to those in the current language. | [19:20] |
| marclaporte | ricks99 : http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-plugins.php | [19:29] |
| ricks99 | <sigh> y, a *BIG* problem with upgrades (imho) | [19:30] |
| marclaporte | I agree
the cost of security | [19:30] |
| ricks99 | no, its bad design -- tiki should not 'unapprove' a plugin on upgrade | [19:31] |
| marclaporte | No public security issues on 3.x
it's superb design considering the situation we had to take into account an sub-ideal situation parser needs re-writing | [19:31] |
| ricks99 | i think it is bad to have tiki turn things off on an upgrade
esp without telling the admin or providing an easy way to turn everything back on | [19:32] |
| marclaporte | yes, I agree
but it's because of limitations of Wiki Parser (among other things). We need a revamp: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Parser | [19:33] |
| ricks99 | i agree it is much more secure, but for upgrades it is a PITA
should all the pendings on doc.tw.o be approved? | [19:33] |
| marclaporte | sure, why not? :-) | [19:34] |
| ricks99 | dont know even how to check all the UNKNOWN locations....
all approved... and nothing blew up! | [19:35] |
| marclaporte | :-)
unknown could be usage in forum what we would need is a crawler which visits each page | [19:35] |
| RavenC | RavenC having a blast messing with strasa | [19:36] |
| marclaporte | and thus, creates all the signatures, then, we mass approve | [19:36] |
| ricks99 | UNKOWN could b anywhere (xcept a wiki page) | [19:37] |
| marclaporte | marclaporte thinks a robot to do link checking would be good too | [19:37] |
| ricks99 | bbl | [19:41] |
| Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Error when viewing trackers after upgrade to 3.3 - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35782 | [19:53] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24078 10/trunk/ (7 files in 7 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to synchronize categories of objects in different languages.
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| RavenC | ricks99: a double thanks for the great site. Now that I have a functional site, your guide has been a blessing! :) | [21:42] |
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| SEWilco2 | The IRC log is a good way to have Google get some kind of results on almost anything when searching site:tikiwiki.org :-) | [22:03] |
| marclaporte | :-)
would be nice to have google site search shown if tikiwiki.org search shows little or no results (or always) since we'll never have good search throughout all *.tikiwiki.org sites InterTiki search is very unlilely unliley oups unlikely :-) | [22:04] |
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| SEWilco2 | marclaporte: Maybe the InterTiki interface should have hooks for pseudosites, which actually invoke an external search engine.
pseudosites... I think there's an ointment for that. Or else add search.tikiwiki.org, an open InterTiki search site which actually invokes an external search of the referrer's site. ... and the search engine used will be the one which pays TW the most. :-) | [22:27] |
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| SEWilco2 | ... or allow search.TW.O results to display ads which pay for TW.O. | [22:34] |
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| CIA-63 | tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r24081 10/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic: some work in admin rss template | [23:14] |
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