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svenstaro has joined #tikiwiki svenstaro: Hey, I want to use tikiwiki in favor of mediawiki this time, I'm wondering wether if I only want a wiki I should still use it? marclaporte: do you need multilingual? svenstaro: No
I want to keep it english all the way CIA-63: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24067 10/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to define required sets of categories and the fallback. svenstaro: So...? :) marclaporte: if your users are more used to MediaWiki... svenstaro: Isn't everybody due to wikipedia? marclaporte: many times, it's all new users svenstaro: I'm trying out tikiwiki and want to see if it's nicer to work with
It will be marclaporte: svenstaro : well, I would love if you tested and gave feedback svenstaro: Mh marclaporte: I am not aware of any significant feature that MediaWiki has that Tiki doesn't svenstaro: Well it is a bit of a major decision so I'd like to hear your opinion first. I don't know if switching wikis inbetween is an easy task marclaporte: And UI of Tiki4 is quite nice svenstaro: I'm not particualrly in favor of mediawiki but I heard some good things about tiki
Can I use Tiki as a wiki only? marclaporte: yes, of course svenstaro: I don't want all the other stuff marclaporte: but it's when you need more that it shines chibaguy: marclaporte: you wrote a comparison page, didn't you? marclaporte: Do you want threaded comments? svenstaro: Can I enable/diable features on the fly? marclaporte: svenstaro : yup svenstaro: Threaded comments on a wiki?
Well I guess it'd be nice
I marclaporte: yup, at the bottom of the page (instead of talk page)
I find talk pages a bit messy svenstaro: I'm more interested in the automatic content generation for indexes and that kind of stuff
It does that right marclaporte: you mean like table of content? svenstaro: No, mediawiki does that too. I mean an automatic listing and grepping of the description of a bunch of grouped pages
as in here http://www.jacmoe.dk/tiki/files/ogrewiki1.htm marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiWiki+vs+MediaWiki svenstaro: oh dear marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/Nobody+ever+got+fired+for+picking+MediaWiki
svenstaro : did you make that screencast? svenstaro: No, I watched it :P
I think this is awesome http://test.ogitor.org/tiki/Tutorials
The boxes are made using an include only
and are automatically generated
or this http://test.ogitor.org/tiki/Basic+Tutorials
That is awesome imo :) marclaporte: svenstaro : will you need any structured data? svenstaro: Yes marclaporte: yeah, jacmoe was busy :-) Tobbi: Hi, everyone. I'm currently working on an easy patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535316 What is the variable, the user language is stored in? marclaporte: svenstaro : please see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Trackers
{prefs.language} Tobbi: marclaporte: Okay, wait a moment. marclaporte: svenstaro do you think you will have not just wiki projects down the road?
Tobbi : that is in Tiki3 and up (not sure about 1.10 that SUMO is using) svenstaro: Well we use github as much as possible but as some point we might need more sophisticated issue tracking with git and svn integration Tobbi: marclaporte: Okay. marclaporte: svenstaro : we would like to improve Tiki integration with SVN as well (and perhaps GIT if we start using that one day) Tobbi: marclaporte: I hope I can catch paulc or anyone else from sumodev, then. svenstaro: So the tiki issue tracker does not support git in that way? marclaporte: correct. Just vaporware for now http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Code+Review svenstaro: :( marclaporte: but would like to be closer to Trac for this svenstaro: Then we'll probably use redmine for that marclaporte: svenstaro : I'd like you to read one page svenstaro: Does tiki do issues like flyspray? marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/Model
yes, tiki has issue/bug tracker svenstaro: I mean, how sophisticated is it? I really like clean interfaces rather than cluttered ones but sophisticated interfaces tend to get cluttered up.
To be quite honest, the tikiwikis I've seen till now all look somewhat cluttered. Why is there a shoutbox even on the tw.org page?
Also, latest changes are not relevant to most users I suppose marclaporte: svenstaro : just don't activate features, and you'll avoid clutter
A reason Tiki sites are cluttered is that Tiki has so many features, and they are so easy to activate (flip a switch) that people tend to activate too many things
svenstaro: bug tracker is very powerful
svenstaro: again, you can keep simple by having less fields svenstaro: Can you point me to one on a project not tw itself? marclaporte: http://support.mozilla.com/ svenstaro: They use bugzilla though marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.org/Nice+Sites
yes, that is for wiki & forums svenstaro: Wait, I mean bugs, not a FAQ marclaporte: ok
public stuff, nothing comes to mind (I have issue trackers)
but just look at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/
and imagine having less fields
our challenge is that we have a wishlist (for bugs and feature requests) with 100+ feature-categories
You can just configure with a few fields
do you have a live instance of Tiki? svenstaro: Not yet
To be frank I got a little discouraged by all those 3 column pages with 400 pixels of content marclaporte: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/
yes, information overload! svenstaro: Indeed marclaporte: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker -> Tiki4 with OpenID and Bug_Tracker profile
http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Bug_Tracker
it really depends what you need
The more features/flexibility and integration, the more Tiki is a great choice :-) svenstaro: So basically I need to do my own database model to create a bug tracker? marclaporte: yes
or use a profile
it takes a few minutes to make
so you have the data model you want
instead of too few or too many fields
and you build your reports in wiki pages
a few minutes as well
http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker -> 10 minutes to make svenstaro: Er wait, so if a user enters a bug he needs to type in YAML like the sample data? marclaporte: svenstaro : did you get password in private message?
no!!! svenstaro: Yes marclaporte: YAML is for solution builders
say you want to deploy 50 bug trackers
end users fill in a form to report a bug
like here: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-index.php?page=Bug_Tracker
to edit your field types: http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php?trackerId=3
so it's a generic database builder, that we so happen to use as a bug/issue tracker svenstaro: How can I eliminate the rightmost column from the admin? marclaporte: admin -> modules -> remove all modules svenstaro: How though? No module controls are shown marclaporte: or admin -> look & feel -> general layout options -> Right column:
http://demo.tikiwiki.org/4x/tiki-admin_modules.php svenstaro: well this looks much more acceptable
We have nice GD captchas right? CIA-63: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24068 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-show_page.tpl tiki-editpage.php): [FIX] Mozilla upstream. Make sure staging copy exists.
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Can I make it use recaptcha or similar? ***: olinuxx has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat")
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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24073 10/branches/experimental/perms-take2/: [KIL] Perms revamp was merged long ago SEWilco2: Yay! Coding during the holidays! :-) -: SEWilco2 spent yesterday coding in a different project. SEWilco2: (Well, at present it's an unrelated project - web chat program that I'll try to integrate with TW) RavenC: fun! :) ***: Kimberlee has quit IRC ()
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marclaporte is around
marclaporte hopes to see ricks99 in NY ricks99: hiya RavenC & marclaporte
too cold :-) I've done my time in NY already -: RavenC wishing I could be in NY ! ricks99: marc: ur tiki5 schedule looks ambitious - but good! marclaporte: hehe ***: Tobbi has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) marclaporte: ricks99 : we need to finish dynamic prefs absolutely before Tiki5, so we can have searchable prefs
In case you have some time ricks99: i hope to have some free time next several weeks - want to work on getting docs up to date (many pages are still 2.x). will look @ dynamic prefs, too marclaporte: Admin panels are so much easier to use now, but still too difficult without search
super! ricks99: also trying to get the tikihelp/webhelp working marclaporte: :-) -: ricks99 really would love an easy tiki -> html mechanism ***: MartinCleaver has joined #tikiwiki CIA-63: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24074 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Restrict similar pages to those in the current language. marclaporte: ricks99 : http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-plugins.php ricks99: <sigh> y, a *BIG* problem with upgrades (imho) marclaporte: I agree
the cost of security ricks99: no, its bad design -- tiki should not 'unapprove' a plugin on upgrade marclaporte: No public security issues on 3.x
it's superb design
considering the situation
we had to take into account an sub-ideal situation
parser needs re-writing ricks99: i think it is bad to have tiki turn things off on an upgrade
esp without telling the admin or providing an easy way to turn everything back on marclaporte: yes, I agree
but it's because of limitations of Wiki Parser (among other things). We need a revamp: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Wiki+Parser ricks99: i agree it is much more secure, but for upgrades it is a PITA
should all the pendings on doc.tw.o be approved? marclaporte: sure, why not? :-) ricks99: dont know even how to check all the UNKNOWN locations....
all approved...
and nothing blew up! marclaporte: :-)
unknown could be usage in forum
what we would need is a crawler which visits each page -: RavenC having a blast messing with strasa marclaporte: and thus, creates all the signatures, then, we mass approve ricks99: UNKOWN could b anywhere (xcept a wiki page) -: marclaporte thinks a robot to do link checking would be good too ricks99: bbl Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Error when viewing trackers after upgrade to 3.3 - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35782
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RavenC has quit IRC ("~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~") SEWilco2: The IRC log is a good way to have Google get some kind of results on almost anything when searching site:tikiwiki.org :-) marclaporte: :-)
would be nice to have google site search shown if tikiwiki.org search shows little or no results
(or always)
since we'll never have good search throughout all *.tikiwiki.org sites
InterTiki search is very unlilely
unliley
oups
unlikely
:-) SEWilco2: marclaporte: Maybe the InterTiki interface should have hooks for pseudosites, which actually invoke an external search engine.
pseudosites... I think there's an ointment for that.
Or else add search.tikiwiki.org, an open InterTiki search site which actually invokes an external search of the referrer's site.
... and the search engine used will be the one which pays TW the most. :-) ***: kiilo has quit IRC ("Leaving.") SEWilco2: ... or allow search.TW.O results to display ads which pay for TW.O. ***: marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) CIA-63: tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r24081 10/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic: some work in admin rss template ***: FrankP_german has quit IRC ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de")
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