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KaiiaKKai	Im still struggelig with my upgrade. Now I have updated to a version of 5 and it seems to work but I have locked myself out. I now get this, without any email instructions sent to me: More than 4 unsuccessful login attempts have been made. An email has been sent to you with the instructions to follow. do anyone know what that instruction says	[00:01]
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KaiiaKKai	help help help :-) how do I log in after::::::::: More than 4 unsuccessful login attempts have been made. An email has been sent to you with the instructions to follow.	[00:15]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[00:15]
KaiiaKKai	anybody?	[00:19]
luciash	KaiiaKKai: sorry, i am busy now, try later please	[00:19]
KaiiaKKai	thanks @luciash	[00:20]
luciash	KaiiaKKai: try search for "tiki admin password recovery" or something like that	[00:20]
KaiiaKKai	anybody else - im hurting thanks will do	[00:20]
luciash	the problem is it seems you haven't set e-mail for your admin account so it didn't send the instructions to you it seems	[00:21]
KaiiaKKai	well I did test the email at install script, and it worked what is the email meant to be I know the password for admin, but it seemes to have locked it out after 4 attempts	[00:22]
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Caarrie	luciash: please put channel mode +R till the bots stop	[00:23]
luciash	Caarrie: command pls	[00:24]
Caarrie	/mode #tikiwiki +R should do it	[00:24]
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Caarrie	thank you	[00:24]
luciash	Caarrie: tks Caarrie: ping me when you want it back	[00:24]
Caarrie	ok	[00:25]
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ricks99	hi all :-)	[01:30]
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rlpowell	For the first time since I got svn access, I'm tempted to run "svn blame" and rip someone a new one. -_- I put code in the tra() call to not go to the database for lang==en. Someone moved it around in such a way that for lang==en the database gets checked, and for any other language it gets checked TWICE. To much work to figure out whose fault it actually is, but holy shit. >:) Erm. >:( ... Oh. I never pushed that change. 0.o blush Nevermind.	[07:55]
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luciash	rlpowell: hi, "never pushed" ?	[11:56]
xavi	luciash: hi :-). quick question from html newbie (playing with the antibot code)	[11:58]
luciash	xavi: i would consider maybe using the most popular captchas service instead	[11:59]
xavi	tiki-calendar_edit_item.tpl has a few buttons where ... popular captchas... I'm using just what it's bundled in tiki slow learning here. Just simple hacks so far and I need to improve my simple hack for calendar items. so my question is: everything seems fine for adding events in calendar	[11:59]
luciash	yep, i mean not that one, even if it's not opensource bundled, maybe it is easy to implement an external captcha, which is more spammers bot proof	[12:00]
xavi	but not for editing or deleting them ok, I understand what you say. My problem nowadays is in html world, I guess	[12:00]
luciash	for deleting ? hmm	[12:01]
xavi	the antibot code is not passing the value typed by the user when deleting them	[12:01]
luciash	for editing it should be the same as for adding new event, but for deleting, i never saw a captcha	[12:01]
xavi	yes, you never saw that becuase it's not in svn (yet :-)	[12:02]
luciash	:))	[12:02]
xavi	I mean: Save button has a normal submit action but the other buttons have a onclick="bla bla.php"	[12:02]
luciash	i don't understand what it should be good for, when the spammer has nothing to input, why to put captcha there on deleting ?	[12:02]
xavi	and I guess that this might be why the antibot code is not being sent :-) in trunk (and proposals) I added the ability to show antibot captcha when anon is enabled to add calendar items	[12:03]
luciash	xavi: then you have to add it in the onclick after the ";" but then this all has no sense because bots don't use JS anyway usually	[12:04]
xavi	ok, that's what I thought, but I don't know how to add that: "; antibotcode=$antibotcode"?	[12:05]
luciash	just don't do that, having captcha on the new event is enough no need to have it on edit or delete	[12:05]
xavi	but what if bots are able to edit or delete??? this looks too risky to me	[12:06]
luciash	no, they will not, it's matter of perms, not matter of spamming	[12:06]
xavi	I mean in case where anons are granted the perms to change events (I'm considering adding that in one site) for production	[12:07]
luciash	it's like with wiki pages, you don't usually give perms to delete pages to anonymous, do you ? ok, for edit it makes sense	[12:07]
xavi	mmm, ok, you are right. However, the perm to change events allows them to delete them	[12:08]
luciash	but not for deleting, that's something of "higher perms"	[12:08]
xavi	afaik	[12:08]
luciash	eh, then it is bad design, and if you can submit but not edit events without JS it is bad usability too	[12:08]
xavi	ok, I guess that you are very right. anyway, again with my question, if antibot.tpl says: <input type="text" maxlength="8" size="8" name="antibotcode" /> what should I add after the ";": antibotcode=$antibotcode" or just $antibotcode ?	[12:09]
luciash	xavi: sorry, don't do that, the spamming bots cannot edit anyway if it's JS only now change it to add another submit button for edit instead and then it will work ;)	[12:10]
xavi	so what's the advanted of adding the extra buttons with JS? s/dvanted/advantage	[12:12]
luciash	you would need &antibotcode=$antibotcode in the link if it wouldn't be submit button but link instead advantage is it will work with antibot and it will work with JS off (accessibility) not to add them with JS, in tpl as html tags (no JS)	[12:12]
xavi	no, I mean what the advantage of the way it is now (low accessibility)?	[12:14]
luciash	i don't see any advantage in the current solution	[12:15]
xavi	ok, testing...	[12:18]
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luciash	sylvieg1: hi, the option for trackers item view to use custom tpl / wiki is for 5.x only ? can't find it in 4.x 4.1	[13:22]
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xavi	mmm, no report on commits here on irc any more, it seems... (or delayed some hours, at least) bbl	[13:35]
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luciash	hi marc :) any idea where got the setting "Purify XHTML to be valid on each save" or something like that moved in 4.1 ? it causes me headaches ;)	[14:50]
marclaporte	security or experimentl	[14:52]
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luciash	marclaporte: not there marclaporte: ah, right, found it :-p i'd never say it is security feature but nm, thanks found weird bug when using pretty tracker wiki page as template when you have two category dropdowns one next to the other the first one "eats" the other one and merges its select options to one dropdown :-p	[14:54]
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oys	I need to add an upload from disk option to fck_image.html so that adding an image to a wiki-page becomes a two-step process instead of a five-step process. I think this would be a usefull feature for other users aswell. I might be able to hack something together for my own use, but would anyone like to guide me through it? maybe if I offer up a paypal-donation?	[15:06]
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rubidubi	!help	[15:30]
Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[15:30]
rubidubi	After installing tikiwiki 4.1 I only get blank pages :-( I installed it on a windows PC with XAMPP Can anyone help?	[15:33]
luciash	>whatis memory_limit	[15:35]
Sug4r`	'memory_limit' could be the most frequently asked question about trouble getting blank pages. The PHP memory_limit should be >= 16M (see your php.ini). You can check it with <?php echo ini_get('memory_limit'); ?> and read more at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#PHP	[15:35]
rubidubi	Memory limit is set to 128 so that should not be the problem. in the templates_c folder I only have one file is that okay?	[15:36]
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chealer	rubidubi: when do you get your first blank page?	[15:40]
rubidubi	chealer: directly after the installation when this page is called: http://localhost/tikiwiki-4.1/tiki-change_password.php?user=admin and tiki-index.php also returns a blank page	[15:42]
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Kimberlee	any TikiFesters here yet this morning?	[15:44]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r24446 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser-magic: one more pref in admin blog template	[16:30]
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changi	hi marc	[16:52]
chealer	rubidubi: you'd need to enable logging of errors for PHP so we can tell you the problem	[17:00]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24447 10/trunk/templates/tiki-browse_freetags.tpl: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding	[17:07]
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rubidubi	chealer: Okay. In php.ini I put the following: error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE chealer: and: log_errors = On chealer: and: error_log = "C:Develxamppapachelogsphperror.log"	[17:15]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24448 10/trunk/lib/rankings/ranklib.php: [FIX] Articles Rankings showing articles not published	[17:16]
rubidubi	chealer: BUT: no phperror.log is generated (apache was restarted and settins are active as shown by phpinfo() )	[17:17]
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chealer	rubidubi: I'm afraid Tiki might override the error reporting level to report no errors. there is a setting in tiki_preferences, name error_reporting_level (and error_reporting_adminonly should be n). I use error_reporting_level=2047.	[17:28]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24449 10/third_party/jquery/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] New (pre-release) version of jquery.cluetip which fixes problems with Google Chrome. TODO: replace with release version before Tiki 5.0	[17:40]
rubidubi	chealer: are that additional entries for the tiki_preferences table in the database? I don't have those settings yet.	[17:43]
chealer	rubidubi: I don't know, default preferences might not yet be in tiki_preferences. perhaps due to your problem rubidubi: you need name='error_reporting_level' value='2047' and name='error_reporting_adminonly' value='n'	[17:46]
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rubidubi	chealer: hm... still no phperror.log :-(	[17:51]
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chealer	rubidubi: you could also try changing the default in lib/setup/prefs.php	[18:00]
oys	if I want to make changes to files in the template directory, should I make them directly or in a different place. I'd like to not have to repeat the process (too much) for every new release.	[18:02]
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rubidubi	chealer: changed it there also but still no logs	[18:06]
chealer	rubidubi: templates_c/ is a cache directory, you can clean it at any time and the contents should be recreated automatically rubidubi: which PHP / Apache versions do you use?	[18:07]
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rubidubi	chealer: XAMPP 1.6.6a, PHP 5.2.5, Apache 2.2.8 (Win32)	[18:12]
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chealer	SEWilco2: where do you get http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2032&trackerId=5&show=view ?	[18:26]
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SEWilco2	chealer: It was happening on a site which is not available. I think I had to go into the lib which creates RSS to change the behavior.	[19:11]
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chealer	SEWilco2: and on which Tiki page would you see that behavior?	[19:21]
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SEWilco2	chealer: It was within RSS feeds.	[19:25]
chealer	SEWilco2: do you have a URL?	[19:26]
SEWilco2	chealer: The site reported on was using 2.2 and is no longer available. I'm looking on TW.O for an RSS feed.	[19:26]
	chealer: TW.O RSS feeds for trackers seem to work OK. Looking for more RSS...	[19:33]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24450 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] Replace tiki-assignpermission.php references with tiki-objectpermissions.php in group and wiki admin. tikiwiki: Adapt tiki-objectpermissions.php to show specific group and text filter perms.	[19:37]
SEWilco2	chealer: All the TW.O RSS feeds seem OK. They have a title like "Tiki RSS feed for ...". Someone probably fixed the problem since 2.2. chealer: There are options for separate RSS feeds for each blog, etc. I don't know what <title> field those use.	[19:38]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24451 10/trunk/templates/tiki-list_blogs.tpl: [FIX] blog descriptions display (HTML special chars encoding)	[19:47]
chealer	SEWilco2: where are these?	[19:52]
SEWilco2	chealer: Where are what these? RSS config options? Admin>RSS I think. chealer: Where are the RSS feeds? Go do doc.tw.o and look for the RSS icon. My browser shows it in the URL bar. chealer: But as I said, TW.O seems to be showing a title for each feed. 2.2 was not defining a title for each feed, and the first entry's title was being used as a title for the entire RSS feed.	[19:53]
oys	I have a simple two-line patch-file for lib/fckeditor_tiki/plugins/tikilink/fck_tikilink.php here: http://pastebin.com/m21c6c061. Is it OK to ask for feedback here or is it better to send to the dev mailing list? The patch autofills in "Page name" to the same as Link. The reason I think it should do this is because I've seen new users have difficulties creating links because they don't want to understand the difference between the two.	[20:02]
coaboa	hello: after upgrading version 4.0 to 4.1 all accounts (including admin) are either disabled or need (not working) validation. i'am locked out of the site. before upgrading everithing worked fine. *everything	[20:10]
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chealer	SEWilco2: OK	[20:22]
SEWilco2	chealer: I was using `wget` to fetch RSS feeds to check the format. The current ones seem to be OK. Check the modification date of the library which creates RSS feeds and you'll probably find it's newer than a year.	[20:24]
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chealer	SEWilco2: I can't reproduce the reported bug in trunk. Can I close the report?	[20:26]
SEWilco2	chealer: Yeah, close it.	[20:26]
chealer	SEWilco2: done, thank you	[20:28]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24452 10/trunk/ (lib/categories/categlib.php modules/mod-func-breadcrumb.php): [FIX] Breadcrumb (last visited pages) module breaking when Category Jail is activated (with default 0 jail)	[20:48]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2988 - - Automatically fill in Page Name field when creating new links fck - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2988 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2989 - - Automatically fill in Page Name field when creating new links fck - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2989 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2990 - - Automatically fill in field when creating new links - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2990	[20:50]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24453 10/third_party/jquery/ (cluetip/jquery.cluetip.js jquery-tiki-readme.txt): [FIX] Rollback r24449 - cluetip upgrade to 1.0.6 (broke all links with tooltips)	[21:07]
oys	Tikiwiki\|bot: oops ;( I thought I got an error for 2988 and 2989. I'd very much appreciate it if someone would remove these two items	[21:07]
luciash	can't get Pretty Tracker trackerlist content displayed to anonymous... have set tiki_p_use_as_template for anonymous for the wiki page template... anything else ? 4.1	[21:15]
chealer	oys: what behavior do you want when the "Link" changes (re 2990)? oys: I closed the 2 first	[21:16]
luciash	sylvieg1: ?	[21:18]
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oys	chealer: Inexperienced users that want to create their first link think that link and page name are the same thing. I've witnessed users that are confused as to why they have to fill in both fields. with that patch, the page name field is automatically updated whenever the link field is filled out. without this, you get an error message if you just fill in the link field. at my place of work, we'll probably end up hiding one of the fields so as not to confuse users	[21:28]
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chealer	oys: you don't necessarily want the link label to be the page name	[21:40]
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sylvieg1	luciash: clean the cache templates_c	[21:42]
luciash	sylvieg1: nope :( that didn't help there should be tracker item title, short anchor text and mediaplayer plugin above the included page script but it shows only the script which is included via INCLUDE plugin for anonymous there :-/	[21:43]
oys	chealer: I think that might be debatable. but either way, no harm is done in setting it to be the same by default.	[21:46]
luciash	sylvieg1: pm	[21:52]
chealer	oys: I think there is. If you filled the page name and you then fill the link label, you need to type again the page name, which is a loss of time.	[21:52]
oys	chealer: how about if I change it so that it only does it if it's already empty?	[21:54]
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oys	chealer: similarly you also lose time if they are the same and you have to type it twice. chealer: feedback from users that are new to creating content for the web was that they (nearly) all get an error message the first time they try to create a new link.	[21:55]
ricks99	tikifesters need some testing? rick is online...	[21:59]
chealer	oys: that would be OK oys: I agree. I understand the current thing is far from ideal	[21:59]
oys	chealer: I've been asked to do away with all the unnecessary bits and annoyances that take getting used to. Once we launch the wiki to people outside the testing group, our new userbase is likely to only give us one chance when deciding if they are going to contribute or not.	[22:03]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24454 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] Show location of dynamic preference results.	[22:24]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2991 - - No save after preview of reply by non-admins - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2991	[22:37]
oys	chealer: made some changes. now either field is empty, it is set to the value of the other one. what's the best way to diff it with the original when submitting a patch btw?	[22:42]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24455 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_value.tpl: [FIX]tracker: page selector should not do a link to the page if showlinks=y - thx luciash	[23:11]
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chealer_	oys: thanks, that's better oys: on second thought, I think we should avoid people filling the label before the page name rather than filling the page name from the label	[23:27]
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chealer__	oys: I figure putting the page name above the label would be better, right?	[23:33]
oys	chealer_: you mean you want to swap them around. I agree. while we're at it, I think it would be better if internal link and external links were combined (instead of having two buttons) but that's not at the top of my list right now.	[23:33]
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chealer__	oys: probably. I'm also not willing to spend time on that right now.	[23:34]
	oys: could you make it so that the label field gets under the page name field. and probably rename "Link" to "link label" or something which clarifies its use?	[23:39]
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mattbmc	I've been experiencing a weird glitch in 4.1 (in-place upgrade from 2.x) after page saves. I get a blank page and it doesn't appear I'm being forwarded to the correct URL. I installed Debug Profile and got the following error: http://mcarroll.pastebin.com/m6145c0cf Should this cause a blank page?	[23:53]
chealer	oys: that looks fine oys: changing the string will "break" translations, but that's fine when the meaning changes	[23:54]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24456 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] Second attempt at upgrading to new (pre-release) version of jquery.cluetip which fixes problems with Google Chrome. tikiwiki: This time with added "clickThrough=true" in tiki-jquery.js. tikiwiki: TODO: replace with release version before Tiki 5.0.	[23:55]
chealer	oys: I assume you have no commit access to the source code repository?	[23:55]

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